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[Q] /sdcard/ vs /sdcard/external_sd/ mount points?

got myself a class 10 16gb card and was hoping to use app2sd to place all my junk onto the card. but i notice it was only moving things to /sdcard which is still the internal memory...
has anyone figured out a way around this or know of the limitations?

There are no limitations. There's 16 freaking gigs already there. Use the new sd card for music or something.

The only reason I have an sdcard in mine is for mirroring, in case something happens to the device. Then I'll still have all of my crap backed up. Or in case my sdcard takes a dump, like it did two weeks ago.
I can just copy over the data if need be.

Sunsparc said:
The only reason I have an sdcard in mine is for mirroring, in case something happens to the device. Then I'll still have all of my crap backed up. Or in case my sdcard takes a dump, like it did two weeks ago.
I can just copy over the data if need be.
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But you have to manually back your data up to the scarf, don't you?
I hate the thought of lodging all my data because there is no way to get to it if my phone bricks for any reason.
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Why don't you just use Titanium Backup to backup the apps? A2SD will not 'backup' your apps. It just moves part of the app to the FAT portion of your sdcard. A2EXT will move the entire app but why in the world anyone would need to use that with any modern high end phone is beyond me.

KCRic said:
Why don't you just use Titanium Backup to backup the apps? A2SD will not 'backup' your apps. It just moves part of the app to the FAT portion of your sdcard. A2EXT will move the entire app but why in the world anyone would need to use that with any modern high end phone is beyond me.
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Agreed - Put your music and videos, maybe even your photos, on your External SD (I moved all of my iTunes music/video/podcast library there and sync with iSyncr).
Leave everything else on your internal SD. It's huge. Use Titanium to backup, and if you have a dropbox account, you'll get a 'remote' backup thrown in to boot.

I have a similar problem . I made a thread about it: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1414115

[Q] Some random questions about 4G Touch

I have a few questions that have been accumulating that I would like to get the answers to. If you know the answer to any of the below please chime in.
1. There are a few grayed-out icons that are in my app menus from applications that I have uninstalled and some that are duplicates of applications that I still have installed. Any way to clear these out? I'm assuming these are a result from using the move2sd application at some point.
2. I have Vlingo start automatically when I connect a bluetooth headset. It finds it necessary to remind me how many missed calls I have since I last flashed the phone... I'm up to almost a 100 now. Any way to stop it from doing this?
3. I currently use a suction cup phone holder in my car. Is there any way to have it emulate the official Samsung car dock by going into car mode when I plug the power cable in or is this specific to the Samsung dock? Are there any alternatives to the Samsung car dock with this capability?
4. Whenever I mount the phone as a USB device it reboots itself after I unmount and disconnect the USB cable. Is this normal?
5. My phone is rooted but I have to have a password on it since I use it for work. Is there any way to NOT have it lock immediately after I use the power button to turn the screen off? In other words, I just want it to lock based on the Screen unlock settings timeout value. I know there are some widgets that will do this but I'd rather press the power button instead of scrolling to the screen with a widget.
Thanks for the help!

Argh... no one knows the answer to ANY of these???

Wayno-san said:
1. There are a few grayed-out icons that are in my app menus from applications that I have uninstalled and some that are duplicates of applications that I still have installed. Any way to clear these out? I'm assuming these are a result from using the move2sd application at some point.
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If they're still in the list they're probably stock apps that are designed not to be uninstalled. You can remove updates for them but the original app stays. In this case, Titanium Backup is a generally recommended solution to really uninstall those. Just please check what you're doing before you uninstall it.
I snipped #2 and #3 and #5 below as I don't have an answer for those.
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4. Whenever I mount the phone as a USB device it reboots itself after I unmount and disconnect the USB cable. Is this normal?
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Not in my experience. Please make sure you have the current version for the drivers on your PC. If not running a stock ROM you may want to try that (ex. EL29 Rooted or not) and see how it behaves.

garwynn said:
If they're still in the list they're probably stock apps that are designed not to be uninstalled. You can remove updates for them but the original app stays. In this case, Titanium Backup is a generally recommended solution to really uninstall those. Just please check what you're doing before you uninstall it.
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Nope, not stock apps. For instance I have two icons for Amazon... one color and one greyed out. Another for "Drawing Pad"... a program that I uninstalled, another dual icon for Google goggles, and another grayed out icon for PNF Lite, a game that I uninstalled.
garwynn said:
Not in my experience. Please make sure you have the current version for the drivers on your PC. If not running a stock ROM you may want to try that (ex. EL29 Rooted or not) and see how it behaves.
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OK, thanks for the feedback.. I didn't think that this was normal. I think I'll wait until ICS and then reload everything from scratch, including the SD card. I hoping that this rebooting is not damaging to the file/file structure. I only transfer files about once weekly to sync up passwords. The rest of the stuff I just move through dropbox and such.

Wayno-san said:
Nope, not stock apps. For instance I have two icons for Amazon... one color and one greyed out. Another for "Drawing Pad"... a program that I uninstalled, another dual icon for Google goggles, and another grayed out icon for PNF Lite, a game that I uninstalled.
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Hmm... possible that you had these installed and moved to SDCard and they're no longer there? That may explain that as well.
And just so I'm making sure that we're talking the same thing, you're talking about inside Settings->Applications->Manage Applications->All, correct?

I was actually referring to the "Applications" button off of the main screen, which shows all the applications... but you gave me an idea... I checked manage apps and removed (uninstalled) all the single instance grayed applications. The ones where both the color and gray icons are present are still there.
Is there a "cache" for the manage applications that I could try clearing?
Otherwise I'll try to uninstall and reinstall completely but I think I may have tried that route already.
Thanks for the help!

Couldn't you open the app drawer and push menu. Go to edit then long click on the icon and click the x to remove? Also in my experience when I remove an app a reboot should fix the apps still showing as greyed out. But you could also reboot recovery and wipe dalvik and cache it should remove those upon reboot
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Wayno-san said:
2. I have Vlingo start automatically when I connect a bluetooth headset. It finds it necessary to remind me how many missed calls I have since I last flashed the phone... I'm up to almost a 100 now. Any way to stop it from doing this?
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Quite annoying, isn't it? I agree.
The only "solution" to this I've found is to delete all the missed calls.

Wayno-san said:
I have a few questions that have been accumulating that I would like to get the answers to. If you know the answer to any of the below please chime in.
3. I currently use a suction cup phone holder in my car. Is there any way to have it emulate the official Samsung car dock by going into car mode when I plug the power cable in or is this specific to the Samsung dock? Are there any alternatives to the Samsung car dock with this capability?
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There is a an app in Google Play (Android Market) called Car Mode Control.
It will put you into car mode without the dock.
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4. Whenever I mount the phone as a USB device it reboots itself after I unmount and disconnect the USB cable. Is this normal?
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That is not normal.
When you disconnect the phone, do you click "disconnect storage from PC?"

patrao_n said:
Couldn't you open the app drawer and push menu. Go to edit then long click on the icon and click the x to remove? Also in my experience when I remove an app a reboot should fix the apps still showing as greyed out. But you could also reboot recovery and wipe dalvik and cache it should remove those upon reboot
Sent from my BAD A$$ EPIC TOUCH 4G
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Tried both of those but no dice (see pic)... oh well, I'll just live with it until ICS... hopefully it will not be much longer.
Kn0wBuddy said:
Quite annoying, isn't it? I agree.
The only "solution" to this I've found is to delete all the missed calls.
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OK, thanks. Not sure why they decided to force us to do that but I guess we'll have to live with it for now. Wonder if the Samsung ICS will suffer from this.
qfadder said:
There is a an app in Google Play (Android Market) called Car Mode Control.
It will put you into car mode without the dock.
That is not normal.
When you disconnect the phone, do you click "disconnect storage from PC?"
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Thanks, I just D/Led the app. Yes, I always use the safe eject option on the PC. Maybe it's some crucial app that shouldn't be on the SD card that is doing this? I'm actually getting a little more concerned about this because I've come back to a the phone a few times with an "SD card was unexpectedly removed" message waiting and ALL the apps on the SD card greyed out.
+1 thanks to all of you!

I experience number 1 quite often too and yes it has to do with moving apps to sd. I think this phone has issues reading sd cards. Only way I can remember fixing this is by playing around and switching the apps back and forth between phone and sd or sometimes tapping on both icons for the app on the app drawer will magically make the grayed out one disappear lol.. I'm using my sd card from my og epic which is a class 2. Maybe this phone needs a better quality sd card.. All I know is if I move all my movable apps to sd card my phone will go into a bootloop frenzy until I remove the sd card and let it boot without it. Then I would put the card back on and hope it won't reboot while scanning media (which it did sometimes) till eventually I would get lucky n get a full scan without rebooting. Now I only move a few apps n not all lol
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Hmm, I'll have to try the double-icon tap trick. I have not experienced the boot issue. The last two cards that I've used have been class 10 cards, the current one being a Samsung. I would hope that their phone would work well with their cards. I did have issues with the first version of the Patriot 32GB Class 10 card that I previously used in the phone, but a replacement card with updated firmware seemed to have alleviated most of the issues. Nevertheless I switched to a Samsung card since I have a lot of mission critical info on my phone.
On another note I just ran out of space on the "internal SD" storage and since I'm not sure if there is a way to force apps to move to the "external SD" card, I guess I won't be moving apps to SD any longer.

Actually the apps go directly into the sd. They never go into the internal memory. I know that sounds weird being that when moving apps it shows you the available internal memory but as you move them you will see it won't decrease. That's because its actually going to the sd card. I confirmed this by checking my sd space from the storage section and it did decrease. And my sd card is a Samsung its from the first Epic
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Suggested Fixes
1. - This sounds as if you have a corrupt SD Card. I suggest reformatting it. If this doesn't work, switch roms and do a clean install of said rom...
2. - Manually clear the calls
3. - I think this was already answered
4. - Try answer 1 above
5. - Samsung made the pw protected lockscreen this way. You can try the widget if you like.
BTW, if my answers for 1 and 4 don't work, go back to stock UNROOTED and see if the issues persist. If they do, go back to sprint. Your phone is not acting the way it should...

RayTrue04 said:
Actually the apps go directly into the sd. They never go into the internal memory. I know that sounds weird being that when moving apps it shows you the available internal memory but as you move them you will see it won't decrease. That's because its actually going to the sd card. I confirmed this by checking my sd space from the storage section and it did decrease. And my sd card is a Samsung its from the first Epic
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I'm unclear about how the install location is actually determined... I know that if the SD card is unmounted then a lot of the normally available programs go gray so I know those are installed on the external SD card.... however, the "internal SD", or "USB storage" on my phone is almost completely full so not everything is getting installed on the external (plugged in) SD card. All the gameloft games installed in the USB storage area along with IVONA voices and a few other programs.
VeNuM said:
1. - This sounds as if you have a corrupt SD Card. I suggest reformatting it. If this doesn't work, switch roms and do a clean install of said rom...
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I've run scandisks (using a microSD USB adapter) on the card and it shows everything OK. I also have not had any instances of lost or corrupt data (thankfully).
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5. - Samsung made the pw protected lockscreen this way. You can try the widget if you like.
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Which widget are you referring to?
Thanks again all!

5. My phone is rooted but I have to have a password on it since I use it for work. Is there any way to NOT have it lock immediately after I use the power button to turn the screen off? In other words, I just want it to lock based on the Screen unlock settings timeout value. I know there are some widgets that will do this but I'd rather press the power button instead of scrolling to the screen with a widget.
Idk. You refer to one at the end of your sentence above... Figured you had one...

VeNuM said:
Idk. You refer to one at the end of your sentence above... Figured you had one...
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LOL, Ahh, OK. No I do not (yet).... I'm trying a lite version of "Smart Screen Off" right now. Works good (aside from being little too sensitive) but I want to find out how battery life is effected before I spring for the paid version.
BTW, I was able to get rid of the last of the grayed out icons by copying the effected programs to/from the SD card. All cleaned up!

Wayno-san said:
I'm unclear about how the install location is actually determined... I know that if the SD card is unmounted then a lot of the normally available programs go gray so I know those are installed on the external SD card.... however, the "internal SD", or "USB storage" on my phone is almost completely full so not everything is getting installed on the external (plugged in) SD card. All the gameloft games installed in the USB storage area along with IVONA voices and a few other programs.
Thanks again all!
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Apps have a separate place where they go. It has a built in 2GB for apps that's separate from the internal memory. So apps are either installed there or the external sd card. Your internal must be full with other stuff like music, movies, photos and things of that nature.
Edit: Game apps even tho they don't install into the USB storage they do copy all files like the music and stuff into the USB storage. That can also be draining your space
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Wayno-san said:
BTW, I was able to get rid of the last of the grayed out icons by copying the effected programs to/from the SD card. All cleaned up!
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Your welcome! Lol
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[Q] Why is my new 32gb microSD read-only?

I just purchased a MicroCenter brand 32gb microSD for my S3. I went ahead and did a format using the phone. Afterwards, I removed the card and plugged it directly to my PC and started copying my data from my old 16gb to the new one. After an hour or so it was done so I put it back in my phone. The card mounted fine and all my data was accessible. Didn't think there was a problem until I tried to move my camera media to the new card. My phone tells me that I can't move any files to the card. I then tried to delete something from the card and it wouldn't let me do that either. I even tried changing permissions to random files and guess what, it won't let me. So basically my card is acting like it's read- only even though permissions show otherwise. I thought I did everything by the book so what could have caused this? I don't want to have to back everything off the card and redo the whole process again as I just don't have any more time (hours) to waste on this. Please help!

reformat as fat32.

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cnstarz said:
reformat as fat32.
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It is formatted as fat32. I tried exFat also and the phone just kept saying it was safe to remove and never initialized it. I reformatted it back to fat32 and the problem still exists. I put my Samsung 16gb back in and it works perfectly. I did notice that it lets me create new folders on it in ES File Explorer but creating files just doesn't work. Changing permissions doesn't work. I formatted it twice with both Windows and the phone itself and still no difference. Using my USB adapter on the PC it works just like any other flash drive with no problems. This is irritating as hell. I just can't think of any reason for this except maybe the custom kernel I'm using is causing some weirdness. Guess I'll try a different brand and see what happens. Anyone know who manufactures MicroCenter branded microsd cards?
Sprint Galaxy S3
Touchwiz Rooted Stock ROM LJ7
[KERNEL][SPRINT][AOSP/TOUCHWIZ-JELLYBEAN][10/31/2012] KT747-s LJ7 - KTweaker
And yes, Ive tried wiping cache, delvik and fixing permissions.

Check if it have a lock to make it read-only. Big ones have it, or maybe it's defective.
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Did you use a full sized SD adapter to plug it into your PC. The adapters have lock switches and I have had issues where when inserting or removing the adapter from the PC the lock switch gets flipped and the card becomes read only. You might want to put it back in the adapter, flip the switch back and forth, make sure it is not on locked, insert it into your PC and let it mount, make sure you can read and write, then unmount and remove. Make sure the switch didn't get moved to the lock position while you were inserting and removing the adapter.
I hope that helps.

dewey1973 said:
Did you use a full sized SD adapter to plug it into your PC. The adapters have lock switches and I have had issues where when inserting or removing the adapter from the PC the lock switch gets flipped and the card becomes read only. You might want to put it back in the adapter, flip the switch back and forth, make sure it is not on locked, insert it into your PC and let it mount, make sure you can read and write, then unmount and remove. Make sure the switch didn't get moved to the lock position while you were inserting and removing the adapter.
I hope that helps.
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Thanks for the reply but it's definitely not that. I just tried it in my old Galaxy S Epic 4G. Don't know why I didn't try that before now but it works flawlessly. Interesting that the original Galaxy has no issue with it. It's running CM9. I even formatted it with the Epic and then tried it again in the S3. Still no go. I forgot to mention that it's a class 10 and it seems there are an awful lot of people having issues with class 10 32gb cards in various devices. I discovered that after Googling my problem. I'm returning it tomorrow but I might try returning my kernel to stock and see if that makes a difference.
...still no go. Conclusion: MicroCenter 32gb class 10 microsd cards are incompatible with the Galaxy S3.

dewey1973 said:
Did you use a full sized SD adapter to plug it into your PC. The adapters have lock switches and I have had issues where when inserting or removing the adapter from the PC the lock switch gets flipped and the card becomes read only. You might want to put it back in the adapter, flip the switch back and forth, make sure it is not on locked, insert it into your PC and let it mount, make sure you can read and write, then unmount and remove. Make sure the switch didn't get moved to the lock position while you were inserting and removing the adapter.
I hope that helps.
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Thanks. I had a different phone and sdcard and was about to toss it out, then I moved the switch. lol.

[Q] Some apps are no longer showing an option to save to external card...

I just got my Note 4 today and I'm trying to restore all my apps and set them to behave the same way...
1) Helium does not give me an option to restore or save from the external card
2) Smart recorder - doesn't give me an option to browse my External card
Those are the only two I've tried so far but yeah I'm a little confused as to what is going on. Is there something I'm missing? Is it due to 4.4.4?

This is a "Security Feature" that KitKat broke. Yes, it sucks very bad. One of the biggest reasons for me that we need bootloader and root.

Omg lol. I don't think I can keep the phone if that's the case. Does android L fix this?
For Note 3, was there a way to get the stock rom to see the external SD card? I want to stay on stock but not sure if will if I can't use the card how I want. I've been on Pacman for so long on my s3 I had no idea how restrictive it was

Wierd thing is that the built in "My Files" has the ability to move things around as needed but so far that's it.

Interesting. I'm thinking about working with symbolic links using solid Explorer but not sure if the phone needs to be rooted. Damn this is annoying.

Gah. Thanks for the tip on my files. I just noticed I can't do anything with solid Explorer because of the lock down. This phone needs to be rooted asap! Lol

So after all these years and advances I'm back to a write protected extsd like I had in my first xoom tablet? S.O.A.B.

Can't move apps to SD card

On previous phones, many apps could be moved to the SD card. On this phone, Moto Z2 Play (XT1710-02), none of the apps show the ability to choose the storage location, even apps that allowed this on my previous phone. Did Motorola decide to disable this feature?
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Just format the SD card as internal storage and let the phone do its thing.

larsdennert said:
Just format the SD card as internal storage and let the phone do its thing.
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Oh how I wish this were true. I have tried 2 different sdhc 32gb class 1 cards one sandisk one pyl prime performance. And the phone is saying that both are too slow for internal and that some apps may lag. Figured I see how bad the lag was because I needed the space..... Things seemed to go alright. I mean I'm not aware of any cards faster than the ones I have? Then my phone started going whacky. It reeboot and then got in a perpetual rebooting loop. I could hold power and volume down button to go to Bios and tried to book into recovery mode from there. Nope.
At this point I'm getting pissed and started freaking out....deep breathing. Ok should I factory reset? I figure I really don't have a choice. Then I figured I would try to remove the ad cards. And it worked! Only problem is that I lost some pics and some files and now it says my card is corrupted. So. Much for SD card internal storage.
Anyone got any better advice than " just put it in and let the phone work it's magic?" I don't think anyone would ever come on these forms if that little tid bit of wisdom worked. Right? ?????

I've had card configured that way for a year or two. No problems. You just need good cards. I have plenty of broken cheap sd cards lying around that would likely fail quickly under such load. I also have the phone configured to back up automatically so if it gets lost, I lose nothing. Grab another phone and restore from the cloud.