I want to prevent my carrier from knowing that I am using CM11's native Hotspot or Tethering features. I know that they can look at the TTL of packets or analyze the traffic (Windows Update, Steam) to detect this. I have a subscription to a VPN service, Private Internet Access, which has an app on Android. If I enable the VPN mode of this app, will all the Hotspot traffic be routed through it, completely invisible to the carrier?
Searching showed me some conflicting answers on this, with some people saying to run it on the tethered device, and others saying to run it on the phone. I am thinking running VPN on phone, as the packets should appear to originate from the phone, rather than something 1 hop behind it.
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I want to prevent my carrier from knowing that I am using CM11's native Hotspot or Tethering features. I know that they can look at the TTL of packets or analyze the traffic (Windows Update, Steam) to detect this. I have a subscription to a VPN service, Private Internet Access, which has an app on Android. If I enable the VPN mode of this app, will all the Hotspot traffic be routed through it, completely invisible to the carrier?
Searching showed me some conflicting answers on this, with some people saying to run it on the tethered device, and others saying to run it on the phone. I am thinking running VPN on phone, as the packets should appear to originate from the phone, rather than something 1 hop behind it.
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To the best of my knowledge, they could easily know that you are connecting to the VPN tunnel as it utilizes a certain ports. However if it's correctly set up and utilize a secure protocol, all your traffic will get through the VPN and your ISP won't be able to decipher your online activities and your connection type or make sense of your internet traffic.
In other words, you may be using the VPN to connect to websites A, B, and C and send all sorts of interesting information to those websites; or send email; or whatever. Your ISP can see none of that. All they can see is encrypted data that they can't decrypt. So they know you're using a VPN, but they don't know what you're using it for.
Hope it could help.
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I know how to do this in Windows and Linux, but not really sure how to go about it on Android...4.0.4 to be exact.
What I'm trying to accomplish is to have both active, with the 3G/4G handling internet-based activities and the Wifi handling local network access.
Why? Basically my home internet is horrible however I have some services/shares on my LAN that I want to access on my phone. And I can't switch between them, not an option. Because many times I'm wanting to take a picture from my file server (Accessed over Wifi) and then upload it to Flickr (Accessed over 3G/4G).
In Windows it's setting the gateway metric, and I would set the connection with the internet with the lower metric while the LAN-only connection gets a higher one.
I'm not aware of any way to do this on any Android - I would imagine it requires a heavily modded ROM.
You could of course tether a Windows or Linux computer on your network to the Android and implement gateway metrics from that end, in order to copy photos from the LAN server to the Internet via cellular.
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I'm not aware of any way to do this on any Android - I would imagine it requires a heavily modded ROM.
You could of course tether a Windows or Linux computer on your network to the Android and implement gateway metrics from that end, in order to copy photos from the LAN server to the Internet via cellular.
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I'm agreeing with him ^
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Ask Cyanogen, if he could do such a thing, afterall, he has been hacking/modding Android since it's inital release. If anyone can help you, it's him... Sorry dude.
While I've never tried it, you might want to try setting up a DHCP reservation on your LAN that DOES NOT provide a gateway. This should allow Internet access using your egress connection while still allowing local LAN access-at least this is how it works for most computers that are multihomed.
I am still on a grandfathered plan and would like to keep it.
When I connect to my work network, it routes all traffic... Vpn and random Internet traffic through the vpn tunnel..
If i tether while I'm connected to my vpn, can att detect it? I would think not since it's encrypted?? Or is there something I'm missing?
I'm worried that tethering would force it to use atts gateway/ip instead of the vpn.
Does anybody know?
Thank you!
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guess i'll find out...
couldn't get wifi tethering working.. anytime i enabled it 'settings' would FC (maybe because i froze tethering provision apk?
so i tried foxfi - and that wifi tether would turn on - but it would change the routing tables of my vpn.. and use normal 4g/att internet
but i have bluetooth on my laptop!
connected to vpn on phone, enabled bluetooth DUN on foxfi - and on my pc when i check my ip on third party websites (i.e nwtools.com) , it shows the IP of my VPN....
so far so good, i hope they can't see this traffic.
please search before posting new threads. there's multiple threads about this topic.
I have Private Internet Access as my VPN and I wanna use it on my phone to allow me to have a Wifi portable hotspot going through the VPN.... Only thing is, at the moment I am reliant on using my computers VPN applications which isnt ideal if the signal and connection to the VPN drops as I get taken offline and I have to turn cellular data on and off again to get it back up and running....
Any solutions? I have tried that tethering app from 2009 and that didnt work at all. Any ideas? Thanks!
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I have Private Internet Access as my VPN and I wanna use it on my phone to allow me to have a Wifi portable hotspot going through the VPN.... Only thing is, at the moment I am reliant on using my computers VPN applications which isnt ideal if the signal and connection to the VPN drops as I get taken offline and I have to turn cellular data on and off again to get it back up and running....
Any solutions? I have tried that tethering app from 2009 and that didnt work at all. Any ideas? Thanks!
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Unfortunately the stock Android tethering application does not work with VPNs. This limitation is an oversight in the software and not a system limitation.
However there is an application called ClockworkMod Tether that will allow you to tether and use a VPN at the same time. In fact it makes use of the standard tethering application and then fixes up the routing information to make it work.
This application does not require you to root your phone but you do need to run software on the computer that you wish to connect to your phone. Also this only works for USB tethering at the moment.
There are other alternatives to ClockworkMod Tether, if you wish to try them, including PDANet.
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I am trying to figure out how to best tether my phone without my carrier throttling me down or detecting this and getting some exorbitant bill.
Both of these things are important to me but I am trying to find a balance between shielding my tethered traffic while also:
1. Not killing my battery so quickly
2. I am concerned about a notification that I am overloading the CPU on my device.
Equipment\Software:
Samsung Galaxy S9 4 GB RAM w/o Root
SecureTether (Google Play Store)
NordVPN (Paid Subscription)
Major US Carrier w/ Unlimited Data
Dell Inspiron 5559 (Only device tethering to phone)
Here is some of the background:
I get a notification on my phone, no matter how I set things up with Secure Tether and NordVPN either running on my laptop or on my phone.
"Some appications or processes are overloading the System (CPU) and need to close.
How serious is that message?
Critical to protect device or more just a power consumption or load bearing metric?
I keep my phone plugged in when I'm tethering 99% of the time so the power consumption doesn't bother me, but I want to make sure I am not doing something that is detrimental to the phone. Everything looks like it's working correctly and the internet works fine and isn't lagging on my laptop or phone.
Secondly,
I want to use my VPN provider (NordVPN) to setup a VPN to shield my my carrier, to be on the safe side that they can not see my traffic and/or that I am not using their metered hotspot connection. This comes with a performance and power penalty so, I know a VPN is a good idea but is it necessary in order for my carrier not to find out I am using something else to tether my device. This is just for some more general knowledge.
Third,
I can use NordVPN on my device or my laptop and both work fine on either device, in both cases though I get the message: "Some appications or processes are overloading the System (CPU) and need to close."
I can tether my laptop to my phone and then connect NordVPN on my laptop and it takes a minute to connect but it does and when it does. everything works fine.
I was skeptical it would work fine because in order to setup Secure Tether you need to setup not only a basic WiFi connection on my laptop but also use a VPN (SSTP-->192.168.49.1:8822) from my laptop to phone, even before throwing NordVPN into the mix, but
Configuration One:
Laptop ---> Secure Tether WiFi ----> Secure Tether VPN (SSTP 192.168.49.1:8822)----> Connect Nord VPN on Laptop ----> Internet. (((Laptop has NordVPN Internet))) (((Galaxy has clear Internet)))
Configuration Two:
Laptop ---> Secure Tether WiFi ---> Secure Tether VPN -----[[Connection Established to phone]] ----> Connect Nord VPN on Phone ---> Internet (Laptop and Phone)
I am looking for some feedback to see if that first configuration is:
First, Masking my Tethered Traffic correctly. I am only shielding my tethered Internet and otherwise my phone is using normal Internet. I only care about my carrier not seeing that I am tethering my laptop essentially.
Second, taking some of the load off of my phone by not running both services (SecureTether and NordVPN) on it.
But then I thought, if my carrier is seeing a lot of VPN traffic and some clear traffic that might look worse, because generally when you run a VPN on your phone everything runs through it, so with half and half traffic, they may suspect that I am tethering something but they wouldn't be able to necessarily prove it.
But just raising red flags might be enough to warrant a closer look at my account, so it might just be better to run NordVPN on my phone and send all traffic through it.
I only really have this one device connecting to my hotspot, one laptop so it isn't like I have 5 devices each running their own VPN and probably creating more work for my phone with constantly open VPN connections. With one device there has to be an open VPN connection somewhere device/computer and it doesn't matter where it is because it's the same amount of traffic/bandwidth used up anymore, it's just a matter of where it is.
With multiple devices it would be more advantageous to run a single VPN connection on my phone and this generates less traffic/uses less bandwidth?
Am I correct in assuming that with 1 device this first configuration takes some of the load off of my phone because it is just passing data through rather than running the VPN service itself.
Either configuration works for me, I would think that Configuration 2, that is, connecting\running Nord VPN on my device would be a better option from a security standpoint and it simplifies things because:
A. Any device connecting to the hotspot is using the VPN automatically.
B. All of my phone data, hotspot or not is being sent through the VPN.
However, the // [major [/I ] // downside is that power runs through your phone like a sieve and the load on the CPU is increased.
I just got this S9 a few days ago and I am switching from iPhone to Android so my depth of knowledge isn't developed enough to where a reliable instinctual of how this device handles, so I'm sorry is this seems redundant.
Sorry for the length of this post, I got more nuanced than I thought I would but I wanted everything to be clear and maybe this will help someone else along the way.
Any input you have would be greatly appreciated.
This may not be a phone specific question, but I have new (currently unrooted) Pixel 3XL thus thought I would post here.
Without naming particular apps, I am trying to see if it is any longer possible to connect remotely to my home server(s) to be able to watch and stream various live tv programming. There used to be a modified app that was able to bypass the vpn options.
I have both OpenVPN and Shadowsocks Socks5 connnections created and working, and I can connect with either to my home network. However, it appears both of these still rely on making use of the Android VPN service, and I think that is why certain apps will not work over VPN?
I had thought Shadowsocks would not use the android VPN, but it appears to still does.
I have not tried anything else yet regarding SSH tunnel, etc., and open to any ideas if/how you may be able hide or mask your vpn connection from select apps on your phone.
Thanks,