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Icontrolpad and other controllers

I'm looking to gamify my Note as much as possible. Thanks to Coldfustion's great video series on the Note, I've got an Rii Bluetooth mini-keyboard on order.
I'm also considering getting the iControlPad, hoping that it can attach to the Note securely. I want to get my Note in the same league as the Play/Vita and other portable gaming devices.
What hardware accessories are you guys using?

I have two Phonejoy's, a ZeeMote, and use PS3 remotes with mine. Not sure how the iControlPad will go with the Note's size - I see Gametel has a similar design out now too that looks like it'll fit a wider range of handset sizes. I have a few YT vids showing these sorts of things (mostly with an SGSII, but same stuff all works with the Note too).

I have the iControlPad, but its gathering dust. Let me know of some games you want to test and I'll see if I can get it working with it, as long as I don't have to buy it.
I had the Pandora console and I can tell you its better playing classic games on it than any Android devices.
The Note is the first phone I felt its actually bearable to play using onscreen controls.

I just got my Phonejoy analogue controller today, and it's great. The only thing I don't really like about it is it isn't true to term analogue, but the feel is enough for it to be overlooked. All in all a fantastic thing.
Might I point out that while not being as small and have a bracket of sorts as the iControlPad does, it's much cheaper for a genuine controller feel.

I did see the Gametel device online a couple days ago, which in turn led me to the icontrolpad... these are more inline with what I'm looking for at first: a controller that attaches and holds the Note.
Like I said, I'm just getting into the gaming side, and I haven't yet rooted my Note. Here's some games I have that I'd like to use with an icontrolpad or gametel clamp-on type controller:
Shadowgun
Samurai II
GTA III
Asphalt 6HD
Order and Chaos
Pacman
After I root and install the emulators, I'll be checking out Zelda and several Atari games. Maybe FPSe and Final Fantasy games.
I'm also all ears for any other HD MMO's (Chaos Rings supposedly is coming to Android soon)...
P.S. ... Looking to sell your icontrolpad? I'm interested in buying, provided it holds the Note and works with most of the games above?

I picked up some PS3 controllers and they are awesome. The prices fluctuate so much on Amazon but I managed to get the kit with the controller, HDMI and USB cable for $33 but I see it is back at $60.
I wish there was a clamp to attach the note to the ps3 controller for when I am not attached to the TV. Kind of like these old controllers with lcds in them.
www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000078D1V?ie=UTF8&force-full-site=1

I can tell you that unless the game itself let you set hard keys or has inate support of hard keys then iControlPad will be useless with it. Since the iControlPad emulates the keyboard and most games relies on touch besides emulators. And not all emulators support iControlPad either, however there seems to be big support of WiiMote and PS3.
I will try some of those games when I have time.
I do notice I can connect a mouse by wire to Note and gets a mouse cursor.

I meant to reply last nite, but I got distracted with "testing" the games that might be compatible, heheh.
Turns out that most of the modern games I have don't have the option to use external controls. The emulator games, however, do, at least the Atari games I've tried so far. I will be trying out the N64 and other emulators, so those may be compatible.
My main question remains, though. Can the icontrolpad accommodate the Note?
The next question, then, is for everyone else who uses gaming accessories with the Note: are there plenty of decent games which justify using the an external controller? I know NZtech demo'd Super Mario, and Confustion demo'd a few good ones as well....
Perhaps a single gaming accessory is enough (the Rii miniBt) since it does double duty...

I have a gametel pad which i'll be reviewing in the next couple of days, it supports more games than it says it does which is nice.

psionic11 said:
I meant to reply last nite, but I got distracted with "testing" the games that might be compatible, heheh.
Turns out that most of the modern games I have don't have the option to use external controls. The emulator games, however, do, at least the Atari games I've tried so far. I will be trying out the N64 and other emulators, so those may be compatible.
My main question remains, though. Can the icontrolpad accommodate the Note?
The next question, then, is for everyone else who uses gaming accessories with the Note: are there plenty of decent games which justify using the an external controller? I know NZtech demo'd Super Mario, and Confustion demo'd a few good ones as well....
Perhaps a single gaming accessory is enough (the Rii miniBt) since it does double duty...
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Can't with the sixaxis controller app you can emulate the screen.
rootzwiki.com/topic/12032-tutorial-use-a-sixaxis-with-gta-iii/

le3ky said:
I have a gametel pad which i'll be reviewing in the next couple of days, it supports more games than it says it does which is nice.
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Yes please do I'm debating if I should or shouldn't. Is it too small for the phone?
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Hey guys, I'm a bit late to the party, but I just discovered the Onlive App that lets you play console-quality games online!
Do the various controllers mentioned in this thread (icontrolpad, gametel, phoneboy, sixaxis) work normally via this app? If so, that would be awesome...

Anyone get a chance to test the icontrolpad or gametel yet?

fosselman said:
I wish there was a clamp to attach the note to the ps3 controller for when I am not attached to the TV. Kind of like these old controllers with lcds in them.
www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000078D1V?ie=UTF8&force-full-site=1
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A bit late to the party, but I thought I would pop in to say I'm working on a 3d-printable project that does exactly that. If all goes according to plan, you should be able to order one from a 3d-printing service for $30-50 (I hope!).

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Can't with the sixaxis controller app you can emulate the screen.
rootzwiki.com/topic/12032-tutorial-use-a-sixaxis-with-gta-iii/
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Well think about that for a moment.
A screen register is just a signal sent into the mainframe, sort of like a keystroke.
I think it can be emulated.
For instance, a rooted device with a modified Bluetooth stack and adjusted settings could be made to play well. Hitting X on a DS3 controller could register as a screen tap on 1024, 360 (X, Y coordinate) ... which would trigger the "Heavy Attack" command within the Samurai Vengence II App.
In fact, a screen tap would suffice well. Most games requiring movement/pov, have a virtual D-Pad and don't require any Swiping movement... a tap in the right direction triggers your desire. Android supports multiple screen taps, so hitting multiple gamepad buttons can trigger multiple "screen taps" virtually, so no problems!
And this can be fully mapped and navigated using such exploit. So you wont miss out on anything, all Apps can theoretically be navigated easily using a gamepad.
The only problem is: requires root, compatible bluetooth device, lots of time setting up the X,Y coordinates for each different app (or an ability to download/save them as profiles).

@ekin
An app to do precisely what you describe is apparently in the works from the icontrolpad team.
That said, I'm still hesitant to order the icontrolpad as it looks like the holder may not quite fit the Note. I'm also keen to hear if anyone's successfully used it yet (the holder, not the actual pairing/functionality).
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ever since i saw the gametel at CES i´ve been researching a lot
the gametel will not support the Note i´ve seen a video somewhere where they say the maximum phone size for gametel will be arout the galaxy nexus size.
The Icontrolpad seems to be better than the gametel controller´s, it supports analog buttons and it seems to have more developpment behind it (it´s an older deveice tough).
I just discovered the phonejoy which seems to be the better solution for me, i´ll probably invent/addapt some case around it so it can hold my s2, i can´t seem to find it for sale in europe though i know they ship it worldwide but i´d rather buy it here ...

can someone tell me the difference between phonejoy and the ps3 controller configuration/compatibility wise?
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I use my ps3 controllers with my sixaxis program and I sit roughly 12ft away from my tv. I just have the hdmi from the phone to the tv and leave it on my ent. center. All emulators work well with sixaxis. You can connect up to 4 controllers, I only have 2 but they work fine. No problems so far.

what about regular android games with the ps3 controller
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My exhaustive analysis of Android Gaming Controllers.

I love the idea of android devices as a portable gaming console. They now have all the power of last gen consoles at least, the batteries last forever, tons of ports (usb, HDMI, BT), great built in screens and they're super portable. I started out just messing around on my Incredible, later had a GTab (which was a really early device that worked ok but had a bad screen) and now have a Xoom running ICS and have a Galaxy Nexus on the way.
Native android gaming is coming along nicely now to the point where I have about 50 games on my tab. Many of them are free or were daily deals on the Amazon store. Many of them I bought full price. All in all I've probably spent $50 on games. Some of them aren't so great, others are suprisingly good and the situation gets better every day.
I also enjoy a bit of emulation. Before you get all upity the only games I have been playing are ones I actually have the cartridge for. Mostly I have just been playing through Chrono Trigger (which I own so **** you!) along with the Giant Bomb endurance run.
Recently Onlive was also released for android and it is pretty impressive how well games play with even average internet connections. If you haven't tried this out you should. It's free and you can trial all games or up to one hour which is a service with value alone.
All 3 of these gaming experiences can benefit from one thing.
A CONTROLLER!
I have previously used a Wiimote and classic controller with an IME app which works well enough but having the Wiimote hanging off the controller as nothing but a bluetooth dongle is annoying and kinda kills the whole point of having a wireless controller in the first place. Datel apparently made a classic controller with the transmitter and battery built in for a while but I wasn't able to find any for purchase anywhere.
Next a few months back app started to hit the market that let you use the Dualshock 3 with Android devices. This is a pretty good solution. The DS3 is a great controller and the setup is reasonably painless. You just have to connect the controller to a desktop and run an app there to bind the controller to your android device. After that you run an app on the device each time you want to use the controller. You'll also have to configure the controls within some games for the controller layout. Not too bad but if you use the controller for your ps3 as well you'll have to plug it into the PS3 to reset it then connect it to your PC to get t back on the droid device. Now I use the PS3 with BT for my desktop using MotionJoy's software and switching between it and the droid is even more of a hassle which I won't go into because I haven't even figured out a reasonably quick method. Since both devices are using the controller via a weird workaround this isn't really surprising.
So today I went looking again and found 2 new options. A while back Gamestop announced they would be carrying 'Gaming Tablets' and as part of it they were going to be selling a wireless gamepad. Well apparently they have started getting them and I found one in stock on my commute home. First impressions were that the device feels cheap. At the $40 I paid it's already a bit overpriced but that according to the website is a discount from the original price of $99 which would be highway robbery. Though the button layout is essentially the same as a PS3 controller the device doesn't feel anything like a DS3 or a 360 controller. It's much lighter. The plastic is cheap and I'm sure with use, will begin to creek. It just feels like cheap Chinese construction. I'm not sure but I think the device is all digital, in fact I think all they did was essentially wrap a gamepad around a bluetooth keyboard. The triggers are digital for sure but the 2 sticks might be analog though I don't think so. They do feel decent with a good resistance on the springs. The D-pad is less exciting and feel mushy. The other buttons are serviceable, nothing particularly good or bad about them. They are two shoulder buttons on each side with 2 of them shaped like triggers and then the four normal face buttons (labelled 1-4 instead of the square, triangle etc as in the product page image). There are also four other buttons on the face which are the power button, the pair button, escape and enter. The power button is obvious but it should be noted the device powers on and off in a second or 2. The pair button is likewise pretty normal. The escape and enter buttons seem to be like the back button and action respectively in android which is kind of nice. It lets you use the controller as a general purpose remote for your tab. This is particularly nice if you want to use it for media on a TV with HDMI. What this means is that you don't really have a start and select button on the face. The left stick seems to be mapped to standard keyboard arrow keys while the right stick and the D-pad are mapped to letters or numbers. The device has a rechargeable cell which is nice and this is charged from a standard USB port. I'm not sure yet about battery life but it seemed to get a full charge after about half hour.
Considering the lack of other dedicated options for tablets this device isn't all bad. It does what it should. It requires no apps or setup other than pairing up to your device which takes seconds. It also powers on and off in seconds and each reconnection is near instant. Also it should be noted that this should work with any BT enabled android device. I don't think there are any version restrictions.
I have tested it with a snes emulator which it works perfectly with. I also tried GTA3 for Android, in which I was able to run around, grab a car and drive by default. I could probably get it working well enough if I took some time to config the controls in game.
All in all this device is a bit of a tough sell at $40 especially if you have a PS3 controller already and don't mind the relatively minor hassles that entails. If you can find one for $20 or even $30 its would be much more reasonable.
I was thinking the device might be mod-able due to it being so light. I have seen some people get things like the MSI BT controller fit into a snes controller frame. Unlike those devices though this is essentially one large PCB with the button contacts right on it except for the shoulder buttons and analog sticks. This would limit options. Maybe someone will find some good options but that will only increase the cost of course.
Product page:
http://www.gamestop.com/android/accessories/tablet-wireless-bluetooth-controller/97838
The second option I found today is much sexier but a little pricier. It is the Onlive Universal Wireless Controller which I have high hopes for. Everything I have read about it seems to indicate the level of material quality is much higher. Also it requires Honeycomb or ICS which means it isn't just a BT keyboard. Full Onlive support is obvious and again according to my reading it comes with a BT dongle for use with the PC but I'm hoping it will work with my standard dongle for simplicity. The device even comes with a rechargeable pack and a AA cartridge just like the 360 controllers which is a nice feature. When connected to a PC you can use up to 4 of them with one dongle which is nice. Perhaps the tablet will be able to support multiple controllers as well but I haven't read anything about that yet, There are also a number of media buttons on the controller which could prove convenient. I'm hoping this will let me replace both the Gamestop controller for my tab and my DS3 for my PC while being able to switch easily between them.
http://www.onlive.com/controller
Anyway, I ordered one tonight and I'll probably write something up about it next week.

Nice review. I was considering the Gamestop controller but now might wait.
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I'm looking forward to your onlive controller review. at $50.. that's definitely a hard sell, but given the service you pair that with.. negligable.

Subscribing.. thanks for this!
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Don't forget, zeemote is another option for a compact bluetooth controller.

lordgodgeneral said:
Don't forget, zeemote is another option for a compact bluetooth controller.
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I have seen that device. It just seemed like with only directional and one (maybe 2) buttons the device doesn't really support much. I'll have to look into it more. Maybe if I can find one cheap I'll grab it and take a look.
PS My Onlive controller should arrive tomorrow so I'll get something written up on it likely by the end of the week.

btate0121 said:
I'm looking forward to your onlive controller review. at $50.. that's definitely a hard sell, but given the service you pair that with.. negligable.
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$50 is a bit steep but for me anyway I'll probably be able to sell off my PS3 controller which I just use for my PC now and use the onlive controller. If I get $40 for the PS3 it turns out to be pretty much a wash. I know that's probably not the case for most but it may help some. Anyway we'll see how good it is soon

Looking forward to the review of the OnLive controller!!
I have a PS3 and 2 controllers but the kids use them (nearly) every day so I really can't use one of those and switch it around all the time.
Also I don't believe the PS3 controller can be paired with 2 different Android devices at the same time. Eh, I don't mean real-time concurrency, I mean I don't think I can have it set up on both my Bionic and Xoom and switch between them without having to set it all up again on the PC. If I'm wrong about that please correct me! If the OnLive controller can do that I'll be sold!

I want one of these
http://www.theverge.com/2012/1/10/2...n-iphone-android-gamepad-controller-announced

beowolfschaefer said:
$50 is a bit steep but for me anyway I'll probably be able to sell off my PS3 controller which I just use for my PC now and use the onlive controller. If I get $40 for the PS3 it turns out to be pretty much a wash. I know that's probably not the case for most but it may help some. Anyway we'll see how good it is soon
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I agree that $50 for just any old regular controller is robbery. LOL. I refuse to buy brand new xbox controllers for that reason. But one controller that can be used on multiple platforms.. meh.. i can mentally justify that.. though I'd rather not ya know? LOL.
in the meantime i discovered an app called "BT Controller" that lets you use one android device to control the other. so I'm going from my GS2 to the Xoom
Ad supported - https://market.android.com/details?...GwsMSwyLDEsImRyb2lkYmVhbi5idGNvbnRyb2xsZXIiXQ..
Paid version ($1) - https://market.android.com/details?...DEwOSwiZHJvaWRiZWFuLmJ0Y29udHJvbGxlcmZ1bGwiXQ..
it's not PERFECT but it works.

Looks like the app uses airpush avoid like the plague.
(Doesn't even mention it supports the xperia play which would be the obvious choice).

beowolfschaefer said:
Anyway we'll see how good it is soon
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Not that I'm trying to rush you or anything..... But did ya get it yet? Did ya?! Did ya?! Did ya?!

I completely forgot about the onlive controller. I got a promotional email a few days ago from onlive where if you pre purchased their new soccer game 39.99 full play pass, they were actually giving away the entire gaming system for free. I just checked offer expired today. That really sucks, I was so.busy last week I only glanced at the offer. Basically for 40$ you'd get the game which came out today and the wireless controller setup along with their consule box to hook up to any TV. Which costs 99.99 alone, I should of jumped at the offer instead of waiting. Let me know how it work, so I can kick myself for now I'll have to pay 50 just for the controller
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Wiimote?
I used a Wiimote with Gensoid today using the Wiimote Controller app from the marketplace, didn't realise it was so easy - worked straight off with only minor hassle of having to switch between Wiimote and Keyboard input manually. Great for those old 3 and 2 button controller games!

mowgli.je said:
I used a Wiimote with Gensoid today using the Wiimote Controller app from the marketplace, didn't realise it was so easy - worked straight off with only minor hassle of having to switch between Wiimote and Keyboard input manually. Great for those old 3 and 2 button controller games!
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I downloaded it and tried it out based on your post, works great with nesoid! I had a few setup and mapping issues but once I got those sorted everything is working fantastic.

Dual Shock all the way
I am also impressed with the gaming capability of the Xoom and I have been enjoying playing Modern Combat 3. Using a decent controller makes all the difference and my controller of choice is the Dual Shock controller from my PS3.
It is true that it cannot be paired with two devices at once, which is a bit annoying, but it works really well. I cannot I imagine why anyone would pay $50 for a controller that is not as good. Just buy a Dual Shock controller and the SixAxis application and you're all set.

moga pro power - not very good experience, any alternatives?

So I got a moga pro power for last Christmas. I really want it to be good, but I've not had a good experience with it yet (and that's over a 7 month span!) Just now I was trying it with SuperGNES on my galaxy note 10.1 2014 just to see if it was something with my nexus 5. Fired up street fighter 2, and can't even get a fireball easily, maybe 1 out of 10 times it manages to do it correctly. Seems like it is either lagging or just not registering the buttons well.
Also, why are the buttons so clicky? I feel like I'm going to wake the dead when I try to play in the evening, they're so loud. I certainly wouldn't want to be sitting next to someone who was in the middle of a gaming session with a moga.
Is this the usual situation with Bluetooth controllers, are there any better ones? Should I just get another OTG cable and use my 360 controller?

Anybody else have experience with the Moga pro power or similar? I'm looking for something that works well and has good (console quality) buttons if there are any alternatives.

I use the Drone that was kickstarted not too long ago. I love mine and use it time to time. But there is no battery meter, but it works.

I'm using Moga Pro over a year now for me its perfect, mostly I use it in B mode [HID].
The latest game which I'm playing is Leo's fortune
Perfect.
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You're always going to get some lag with a bluetooth controller on Android/iOS. Android doesn't have true built-in Bluetooth controller support, so they either use a custom driver (moga) or the bluetooth keyboard support (Moga in HID mode, plus most other controllers) which isn't optimized for input lag.
If you haven't already, give the other mode on your Moga a try (A vs B). If neither works well, Bluetooth just isn't going to be quick enough for you.

Sideclick Remote

Has anyone tried a Sideclick Remote with their FireTV? I've just ordered one from the US as they look pretty good as a universal remote solution. There aren't many reviews around, but the videos on YouTube look pretty positive and it's not all that expensive compared to a universal remote. Not sure if I'm allowed to post the link on here so I'll just stick on an image.

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Has anyone tried a Sideclick Remote with their FireTV? I've just ordered one from the US as they look pretty good as a universal remote solution. There aren't many reviews around, but the videos on YouTube look pretty positive and it's not all that expensive compared to a universal remote. Not sure if I'm allowed to post the link on here so I'll just stick on an image.
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I kickstarted this project and have been using it for a long time. It is great! I got rid of 2 extra remotes and now have 99% of the functionality I need in one place.

That's what I'm hoping for. Hopefully it will be able to map my TV and soundbar into one

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That's what I'm hoping for. Hopefully it will be able to map my TV and soundbar into one
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Yup - that's exactly what I do. I use the A and B buttons to do my soundbar volume, and + and - to do my TV volume.

I've got one and have been using it for months. Quite happy with the way it works. I have most of the functions setup to control my Xbox One and the volume plus and minus buttons for my soundbar that it's hooked up to. Works great! The only complaint I have is that it doesn't stay in one place when attached to the Fire TV remote and easily slides up and down.

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I've got one and have been using it for months. Quite happy with the way it works. I have most of the functions setup to control my Xbox One and the volume plus and minus buttons for my soundbar that it's hooked up to. Works great! The only complaint I have is that it doesn't stay in one place when attached to the Fire TV remote and easily slides up and down.
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I've noticed that the Fire TV 2 remote is the tiniest bit narrower than the Fire TV 1 remote, so it does slide a bit. If you stick something in there such as a piece of a rubber band, it will stay still and out of sight.

Another alternative is to get a FLIRC to make your existing universal IR remote work with the fire. Add in a $1 180-degree usb extender to keep things looking classy and you're set.

Got my hands on it and it's really useful. It's got a nice snug fit to the fire TV 2 remote, they might have updated the design slightly. It's gonna take me a little getting used to, but so far so good!

Remote

I have a smart TV, a cable box & nVidia Shield (on it's way)... The cable box is a POS from the dark ages & doesn't register any channels on the Smart TV (LG WebOS 3.0).
Can I get a remote that will operate all three devices? I'm considering the Logitech Harmony, which would be ideal, coz I also want to install a hub... but details of the remote are sketchy... Also looking at the K400 keyboard as a remote...?
BTW, I tried operating the cable box using Peel in the past, but it refused to work...

I bought a re-furb "Logitech harmony ultimate hub" (no remote included, just works via phone app) back in november, to match up with my echo dot....Works perfectly! It controls my non-smart Samsung plasma TV, my smart Yamaha receiver, samsung Blu-ray player, Samsung cable box, and of course the sheild TV. I also have a very old k400, and that works very well with the shield as well.

I'm not sure exactly that the newest Harmony Remotes bring, sans being perhaps able to talk to ZigBee Lighting Devices. I'm not awre of any of the newer Remotes having either a Gyro, (Air Mouse), or a Mic (for Google Now etc...)
So as long as you only need a good IR Blaster I would suggest scouring Fleebay for a Harmony One, or to cover your basic Bluetooth (i.e. PlayStation 3 - Blu-ray Players), the Harmony One Plus.
Both of these should now be about half, to a third of the price of a newer Harmony remote, and are just as good... Or even better than the newer remotes in that these still have a full Numpad on them I think the Elite will only give you a soft Touch Numpad. Which may or may not be as simple to deal with.
In my experience with it I would prefer the hard Numpad. But that's just me.