Im comming from a Nexus 4. At this moment i am using stock rom with s-on on my international htc one m8. Only thing i did is rooting it and flashed a custom recovery from philz. Now my question is, how can i update to the newest firmware. It is a bit complicated compared to the nexus 4, so i dont want to do anything wrong. Ive red about relocking the bootloader and some orher stuff, but dont get it. I would appreciate any help and info i can get.. i put a screenshot of my current setup..
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When you say "firmware" do you just mean the Android software version? If so, just flash in recovery a stock rooted ROM, or custom ROM based on the newer software. No need to mess with relocking the bootloader to install an official OTA update or RUU. In my opinion, here is little to no good reason to install official updates on a modded/rooted phone.
Reason I ask the first question above, many of the folks here refer to "firmware" as the other modules deployed with the OS, including hboot, radio, and other media modules. Flashing this is still possible on a modded device, just a little different.
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When you say "firmware" do you just mean the Android software version? If so, just flash in recovery a stock rooted ROM, or custom ROM based on the newer software. No need to mess with relocking the bootloader to install an official OTA update or RUU. In my opinion, here is little to no good reason to install official updates on a modded/rooted phone.
Reason I ask the first question above, many of the folks here refer to "firmware" as the other modules deployed with the OS, including hboot, radio, and other media modules. Flashing this is still possible on a modded device, just a little different.
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Thanks for the answer. by updating the firmware i mean the complete software, just like we get it OTA. The nexus was peace of cake, just install thr new rom and radios and you were done. But this htc thing needs some practicing i think.
soylukral said:
Thanks for the answer. by updating the firmware i mean the complete software, just like we get it OTA. The nexus was peace of cake, just install thr new rom and radios and you were done. But this htc thing needs some practicing i think.
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That part is not much different with the M8. If you want a new ROM, just flash a stock rooted ROM or custom in recovery. If you want a new radio, just get it from the following thread and flash it. Only difference, if you need S-off. so look for either firewater or sunshine s-off method.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2736921
Yes, you can install the "complete" firmware package (search around and you will find them, usually flashed with fastboot/adb). But these are usually not necessary. If a ROM requires a newer firmware package, it will be discussed in that ROM thread.
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That part is not much different with the M8. If you want a new ROM, just flash a stock rooted ROM or custom in recovery. If you want a new radio, just get it from the following thread and flash it. Only difference, if you need S-off. so look for either firewater or sunshine s-off method.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2736921
Yes, you can install the "complete" firmware package (search around and you will find them, usually flashed with fastboot/adb). But these are usually not necessary. If a ROM requires a newer firmware package, it will be discussed in that ROM thread.
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So what i understand is, as long as you stay stock rooted, you can update with a stock rooted rom without having s-off. Am i right? What i dont understand is that they are talking about you cant update from 4.4.2 1.54 to 4.4.3 2.22 without relocking your bootloader..
soylukral said:
So what i understand is, as long as you stay stock rooted, you can update with a stock rooted rom without having s-off. Am i right? What i dont understand is that they are talking about you cant update from 4.4.2 1.54 to 4.4.3 2.22 without relocking your bootloader..
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You seem to be talking about 2 different things.
If you are talking about updating (flashing) a stock rooted ROM, that would be a user created ROM posted here in Development. If that is the case, you can flash whatever ROM you want from Development while S-on.
But if you are talking about installing official OTA updates, you need to relock your bootloader with s-on; and you also need to revert to stock recovery. You can flash these with the bootloader unlocked with S-off (stock recovery is still required). The other catch is, that if you change or remove any system files while rooted, an OTA will not install.
My opinion is not to install OTAs on a rooted phone. Its extra steps and extra hassle (relocking bootloader, re-installing stock recovery). Plus, you never know what exploits have been patched with the new OTAs. For instance, the more recent hboots plugged the firewater s-off. Its a much better idea to just flash stock rooted or custom ROMs posted in Development, as they often get updated very quickly to the new software versions anyway. And that is what XDA is all about, anyway.
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You seem to be talking about 2 different things.
If you are talking about updating (flashing) a stock rooted ROM, that would be a user created ROM posted here in Development. If that is the case, you can flash whatever ROM you want from Development while S-on.
But if you are talking about installing official OTA updates, you need to relock your bootloader with s-on; and you also need to revert to stock recovery. You can flash these with the bootloader unlocked with S-off (stock recovery is still required). The other catch is, that if you change or remove any system files while rooted, an OTA will not install.
My opinion is not to install OTAs on a rooted phone. Its extra steps and extra hassle (relocking bootloader, re-installing stock recovery). Plus, you never know what exploits have been patched with the new OTAs. For instance, the more recent hboots plugged the firewater s-off. Its a much better idea to just flash stock rooted or custom ROMs posted in Development, as they often get updated very quickly to the new software versions anyway. And that is what XDA is all about, anyway.
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sorry about asking this many questions but, the main thing is that i want to update to the latest released software 4.4.3 2.22. can you discribe me the steps i have to follow. because im sorry but it is still not 100% clear. believe me i flashed many many roms kernels tweaks and lots of other stuff, but comming from a nexus device this is a nightmare.
soylukral said:
sorry about asking this many questions but, the main thing is that i want to update to the latest released software 4.4.3 2.22. can you discribe me the steps i have to follow. because im sorry but it is still not 100% clear. believe me i flashed many many roms kernels tweaks and lots of other stuff, but comming from a nexus device this is a nightmare.
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i was looking at ARHD 10.1 with the latest 4.4.3 2.22 software, can i just flash this over my stock rooted 4.4.2 1.54?
soylukral said:
sorry about asking this many questions
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No worries, that is what this forum is for!
One thing I was not fully aware of, while ARHD will flash just fine over your stock ROM; folks seem to be having trouble with Android 4.4.3 (software 2.22) based ROMs and old "firmware" (reference Post #2, paragraph 2 above). This includes issues with no sound (which I suspect the "media" module within the firmware package is the culprit).
So if you want to flash a 2.22 based ROM, it looks like you need to S-off and flash the firmware package before flashing ARHD. Details on flashing the firmware package can be found by reading the ARHD thread, or also (more easily) by referring to Section 3 of this guide: http://forum.xda-developers.com/htc-one-m8/general/vomerguides-m8-bootldr-unlock-s-off-t2800727/post53807690
Updating the "firmware" package is often not needed to just flash a custom ROM. This happens to be one of the exceptions.
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No worries, that is what this forum is for!
One thing I was not fully aware of, while ARHD will flash just fine over your stock ROM; folks seem to be having trouble with Android 4.4.3 (software 2.22) based ROMs and old "firmware" (reference Post #2, paragraph 2 above). This includes issues with no sound (which I suspect the "media" module within the firmware package is the culprit).
So if you want to flash a 2.22 based ROM, it looks like you need to S-off and flash the firmware package before flashing ARHD. Details on flashing the firmware package can be found by reading the ARHD thread, or also (more easily) by referring to Section 3 of this guide: http://forum.xda-developers.com/htc-one-m8/general/vomerguides-m8-bootldr-unlock-s-off-t2800727/post53807690
Updating the "firmware" package is often not needed to just flash a custom ROM. This happens to be one of the exceptions.
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thanks anyway, you did help me get wiser. what i understand is that S-OFF is a must have to be that free as on the nexus 4. i will look further. thanks again..
soylukral said:
thanks anyway, you did help me get wiser. what i understand is that S-OFF is a must have to be that free as on the nexus 4. i will look further. thanks again..
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S-off is usually not needed to flash a ROM itself. But yes, its a must if you want to flash radio, hboot, firmware packages, and some other things.
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My M8 has the CID of HTC_044 and I would like to flash latest ROM. However it requires latest firmware, ie 2.22.401.4, I am wondering if it is safe to flash the firmware to my device being with different CID as the firmware's android-info does not contain my device CID.
I have S-OFF on my device, I am wondering if I change mt CID to supercid would allow my device to run the firmware without issue.
Thanks in advance.
Yep,if your phone is supercid,u can flash that firmware...
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My M8 has the CID of HTC_044 and I would like to flash latest ROM. However it requires latest firmware, ie 2.22.401.4, I am wondering if it is safe to flash the firmware to my device being with different CID as the firmware's android-info does not contain my device CID.
I have S-OFF on my device, I am wondering if I change mt CID to supercid would allow my device to run the firmware without issue.
Thanks in advance.
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If your firmware for CID HTC__044 is 2.22.707.3, it is not necessary for you to flash another firmware to run a 2.22.401.4 ROM.
As long as the firmware is 2.22.xxx.x ... you're good to go.
Anyway it's up to you if you want to flash 2.22.401.4 firmware but your Radio will be the EU region if the firmware that you flash come with radio image. If you currently in Asia, it's best to keep 2.22.707.3 firmware
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Yep,if your phone is supercid,u can flash that firmware...
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Thank you!
ckpv5 said:
If your firmware for CID HTC__044 is 2.22.707.3, it is not necessary for you to flash another firmware to run a 2.22.401.4 ROM.
As long as the firmware is 2.22.xxx.x ... you're good to go.
Anyway it's up to you if you want to flash 2.22.401.4 firmware but your Radio will be the EU region if the firmware that you flash come with radio image. If you currently in Asia, it's best to keep 2.22.707.3 firmware
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Thank you! However I have heard there was one 2.22.7xx posted but was meant for M7, and at the moment I could not find 2.22.707.3 firmware from any firmware repository. I'm from Asia, could you please kindly post the link so that I wont brick my phone? Thank you!!
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Thank you! However I have heard there was one 2.22.7xx posted but was meant for M7, and at the moment I could not find 2.22.707.3 firmware from any firmware repository. I'm from Asia, could you please kindly post the link so that I wont brick my phone? Thank you!!
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When we read firmware we look at x.xx.707.x not 2.22.7xx.x
You don't need 2.22.707.3 firmware if you already done the OTA update.
Please advise your current firmware that you have ... check what is written on the bootloader ... is it 1.54.707.7 or 2.22.707.3 ?
If it is 1.54.707.7 then you need to do OTA update.
If it is 2.22.707.3 then you're good to flash any ROM.
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When we read firmware we look at x.xx.707.x not 2.22.7xx.x
You don't need 2.22.707.3 firmware if you already done the OTA update.
Please advise your current firmware that you have ... check what is written on the bootloader ... is it 1.54.707.7 or 2.22.77.3 ?
If it is 1.54.707.7 then you need to do OTA update.
If it is 2.22.707.3 then you're good to flash any ROM.
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Couldn't check my firmware version as the OS field is empty in the bootloader.
Hboot: 3.16.0.0000
Radio: 1.16.2133156.UA10G
But I highly doubt my firmware is 2.22.707.3, I would think it is more likely to be 1.54.707.7 as I have rooted by phone before newer firmware roll out.
So can I use your firmware in http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2701376&page=141
and flash it by using this guide? http://forum.xda-developers.com/htc-one-m8/general/vomerguides-m8-bootldr-unlock-s-off-t2800727
hellcommando said:
Couldn't check my firmware version as the OS field is empty in the bootloader.
Hboot: 3.16.0.0000
Radio: 1.16.2133156.UA10G
But I highly doubt my firmware is 2.22.707.3, I would think it is more likely to be 1.54.707.7 as I have rooted by phone before newer firmware roll out.
So can I use your firmware in http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2701376&page=141
and flash it by using this guide? http://forum.xda-developers.com/htc-one-m8/general/vomerguides-m8-bootldr-unlock-s-off-t2800727
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Right ... your current hboot is 3.16 so it's 1.54.707.7
I suggest that you restore 1.54.707.7 stock Backup, flash back stock recovery and do the OTA (no need to relock bootloader or S-On .. OTA update work on unlocked bootloader and S-Off)
I don't post firmware on XDA. Those that I posted are recovery and stock backup.
If you insist to update firmware without OTA update .. that's you call. Someone maybe will guide you how to do it as I don't feel comfortable telling how to update firmware.
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Right ... your current hboot is 3.16 so it's 1.54.707.7
I suggest that you restore 1.54.707.7 stock Backup, flash back stock recovery and do the OTA (no need to relock bootloader or S-On .. OTA update work on unlocked bootloader and S-Off)
I don't post firmware on XDA. Those that I posted are recovery and stock backup.
If you insist to update firmware without OTA update .. that's you call. Someone maybe will guide you how to do it as I don't feel comfortable telling how to update firmware.
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Awesome! I just followed your advice by doing the safe way, flashed stock recovery and backup. I'm running on 2.22.707.x now! Thanks a lot :good:
hellcommando said:
Awesome! I just followed your advice by doing the safe way, flashed stock recovery and backup. I'm running on 2.22.707.x now! Thanks a lot :good:
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Great
Now you can flash any Sense 6 custom ROM that you like.
Only remember that you don't need to flash another firmware, your current one is good enough.. just flash ROM.
I am having the same issue - I have the HTC__044 and need new firmware to get the newest ROM.
I am S-On and CANT get S-off (s-off needed to flash firmware)...firewater does not work with my phone after multiple tries.
I tried getting Sunshine to work for s-off, but I need to be on a stock Sense ROM (I am on Viper 1.8) and don't have a stock backup. I can't find ANY stock ROM's online! Once I have supercid i was going to flash firmware, but without S off...I'm going nowhere (it seems)
anyone have an idea where I should start?
charkswitlazers said:
I am having the same issue - I have the HTC__044 and need new firmware to get the newest ROM.
I am S-On and CANT get S-off (s-off needed to flash firmware)...firewater does not work with my phone after multiple tries.
I tried getting Sunshine to work for s-off, but I need to be on a stock Sense ROM (I am on Viper 1.8) and don't have a stock backup. I can't find ANY stock ROM's online! Once I have supercid i was going to flash firmware, but without S off...I'm going nowhere (it seems)
anyone have an idea where I should start?
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Stock ROMs and recoveries for HTC__044
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2701376
charkswitlazers said:
anyone have an idea where I should start?
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Everything that you need is here : http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2701376
1. Restore nandroid backup 1.54.707.7
2. flash stock recovery 1.54.707.7
3. reboot and check for OTA
4. install OTA
5. done .. your ROM will be 4.4.3 - 2.22.707.3
6. flash any 4.4.3 custom ROM that you like if any
All above no need to relock bootloader or S-Off, it works on S-On
If you want to S-Off with sunshine, step 1 & 2 then sunshine
or after step 5 then sunshine (both way should work)
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Everything that you need is here
1. Restore nandroid backup 1.54.707.7
2. flash stock recovery 1.54.707.7
3. reboot and check for OTA
4. install OTA
5. done .. your ROM will be 4.4.3 - 2.22.707.3
6. flash any 4.4.3 custom ROM that you like if any
All above no need to relock bootloader or S-Off, it works on S-On
If you want to S-Off with sunshine, step 1 & 2 then sunshine
or after step 5 then sunshine (both way should work)
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I'm still a little on the noob side with rooting/flashing..I am at work and don't have time to read much - i will go home and give it a go... I'm sure I will have lots of questions
A quick look at the site, i saw lots of recoveries but not very many stock ROMs. I mainly just need a plain/rooted stock Sense rom to run Sunshine. After which i can flash new firmware, then the new custom ROM i've been wanting. Also, does a nandroid HAVE to be HTC__044, or can it be any WWE cid? (like anything that's "HTC__xxx")?
Excuse my ignorance...trying to learn as much as possible
I just got my m8 from Tmobile today, and I am on firmware 157.531.7
I've checked several times for updated firmware, but always comes back nothing.
Am I stuck on this, or will it take awhile for the network to "see me" and send it?
not rooted, fully stock for now
thanks so much!
charkswitlazers said:
I'm still a little on the noob side with rooting/flashing..I am at work and don't have time to read much - i will go home and give it a go... I'm sure I will have lots of questions
A quick look at the site, i saw lots of recoveries but not very many stock ROMs. I mainly just need a plain/rooted stock Sense rom to run Sunshine. After which i can flash new firmware, then the new custom ROM i've been wanting. Also, does a nandroid HAVE to be HTC__044, or can it be any WWE cid? (like anything that's "HTC__xxx")?
Excuse my ignorance...trying to learn as much as possible
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If your main purpose to restore to stock to get SunShine working, then any nandroid backup will do either HTC__044 or WWE. You don't really need a rooted stock as SunShine works on non-rooted ROM too.
As you said you're a noob, that is why I suggest to restore to 1.54.707.7 then OTA to 2.22.707.3 so you don't need to manually flash firmware to get other custom ROMs running flawlessly. It is not necessary to have 2.22.401.4 firmware but it is necessary to have a 2.22.xxx.x firmware for those custom ROMs, unless you're not in Asia.
As you can see in my sig, I'm on 2.22.707.3 firmware, I can run any ROM without problem.
Being a noob, you may make a stupid mistake when flashing firmware.
There is also by mike or so a stock Rom as a zip.
Flash it like a custom Rom Flash the stock kernel and better the recovery and do sunshine...easier then with getting nandroid backup etc
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One-M8-Master said:
There is also by mike or so a stock Rom as a zip.
Flash it like a custom Rom Flash the stock kernel and better the recovery and do sunshine...easier then with getting nandroid backup etc
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Hi One-M8-Master,
I've read quite a few of your posts & given that your moniker seems appropriate, I'm wondering if you might be able to help me?
I've posted this on another thread but haven't got very far as yet, so am hoping that you might be able to get me out of the stupid hole I've dug myself into :fingers-crossed:
It is quite a long description but if you don't fall asleep reading it, I'd really appreciate any help you might be able to give me.....Here goes:
"Hi Guys,
Now I know you're all already thinking that I didn't update my firmware before I flashed ARHD & now I'm getting all the problems that come along with not doing that......& you'd be correct....kind of. HOWEVER, as it turns out, I already seem to have it. Let me explain.
As you can see, I'm relatively new to all this but successfully unlocked, rooted & installed a custom ROM on my ASUS TF700T tablet, so I wanted to do it with my One M8. I always do loads of reading before I start anything (I even read the instructions for new games before I attempt to play them because I'm a bit weird like that!) but what happened on this occasion was that I did the reading, unlocked the phone, flashed TWRP, & rooted it but then ran into the problem that some people appear to have had when trying to s-off via the adb commands & Firewater, that is, my pc could see the phone but when I gave the reboot command, it told me it wasn't connected.
I then got into hours of reading to try & solve this issue, discovered that (without Sunlight) on some devices it just doesn't work once you've accepted the 'should we allow this pc to connect every time' message (which I NEVER normally say 'yes' to), unless you install the Android Studio & Java Develpers Kits, update your version of adb, & force the phone to ask again (which I did but it turned out that I already had the latest version of adb, so that route proved fruitless!). I actually missed a night's sleep trying to resolve the problem, so work wasn't good the next day! but I think it is here is where my problems started because I was so tired & frustrated that I just picked a ROM & flashed it. I had even read the warning about not flashing it if you didn't have the correct firmware but I think that being so tired, it didn't really sink in, or I'd forgotten about it by the time I just flashed the ROM.
By this point, I'd been sat in front of my pc for about 30 hours & needed to go to work but the phone was actually booting through to ARHD, so I was relatively happy in the knowledge that at least I hadn't bricked it! On starting to use the phone that evening, I noticed the long boot times & then that my Sense 6 Toolbox didn't seem to be making any changes, even if I rebooted the device, so I went back to the beginning of this thread & started reading again. Thus, I re-read the firmware warning & panicked (my 2nd mistake!), thinking that I was getting the problems because I hadn't updated the firmware (it still didn't occur to me to just check because I think I just assumed that I wouldn't have it). So.....I tried to restore my TWRP backup of the stock ROM that I made after I had unlocked/rooted, with the intention of reverting to the stock ROM, getting the OTA update & then re-flashing ARHD but despite TWRP telling me that the backup had been successful, the phone went into a bootloop back into TWRP. I solved this by re-flashing the ARHD ROM that I knew at least would get my phone out of the bootloop & back into KitKat, which it did. I then checked what version of the firmware I had & to my surprise, my Build Number in About\Software Information\More says "2.22.401.4 CL365360 release-keys", so it looks like I had the correct firmware version all along?
The above being the case, I'm now puzzled as to why I'm getting the problems that I'm getting with ARHD? Does anyone have any clues/answers that might get me out of this hole I've dug for myself & get my awesome One M8 working like it should?
I know I've caused this problem by doing things when I was too tired to think straight but I'm fresh as a daisy now (still fairly noobish but fresh ) & now I need your help to sort myself out. I would be so grateful for any help anyone can give me to get me back on track.
I hope all of that makes sense & thanks in advance."
@dan5001
The firmware you speak of is the displayed version main number of the flashed rom. It has no relation to your actual installed firmware. Check your bootloader and post here what it says. I bet it is still hboot 3.16 and if that's the case your firmware is not updated.
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@dan5001
The firmware you speak of is the displayed version main number of the flashed rom. It has no relation to your actual installed firmware. Check your bootloader and post here what it says. I bet it is still hboot 3.16 and if that's the case your firmware is not updated.
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Hi.
This is my own fault but I'm getting really frustrated with it because I've probably spent a total of 40 hours on it so far
I tell you that because I know that I needed S-OFF & SUPER CID to be able to update my firmware, so I just thought "screw it" & I paid for Sunshine. I now have S-OFF & following Vomer's guide here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/htc-one-m8/general/vomerguides-m8-bootldr-unlock-s-off-t2800727
I now have S-OFF & SUPER CID. I thought that would be the end of my issues but it would appear not!
Looking at my bootloader, you are correct, HBOOT is 3.16.0.0000!
However, I've tried to upgrade this firmware by downloading what I think is the correct update .zip from the list at the bottom of the aforementioned Vomer's guide (v2.22.401.5 (Rename to firmware.zip after downloading)), renaming it as suggested, & then flashing it in TWRP but it just keeps telling me that the update has failed!
Do I have to do it using the adb commands on Vomers guide? I didn't think so but it's just not working??
I appreciate any help you can give me with this. Given that I've spent so long on this & have paid for Sunshine, you can see that I'm trying to help myself but I've still got rain!!
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Just a thought, I do still have ARHD v10.2 installed at the moment because even though it's not working properly without the correct firmware, it's the only ROM I've got at the moment, so it means I can use the M8 to a degree; would that cause the problem with upgrading the firmware?
Firmware flash can be done via fastboot commands, that's how i did it
Installed rom has no influence on the to flash firmware, try it via fastboot
i stumble upon a thread that S-off is really needed to have proper and compatible FW and ROM. Question is, isnt it the FW is packed with the ROM? My M8 is rooted, bootloader open but still S-Off (IC ROM and Elemental KERNEL). Please enlighten me.
PS: i read about this whole thing coz the boot time of my phone is just too long, i asked in one of the thread here; someone said that its because of this FW and ROM thingy that might be incompatible...
Sorry if i asked too much. Thanks anyway...
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Question is, isnt it the FW is packed with the ROM?
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No. Firmware is not packed with custom ROMs. When talking about updating the firmware, we are referring to the hboot, radio, and other modules (WiFi, Bluetooth, etc.). Flashing a ROM doesn't touch those firmware partitions. And in fact the radio and hboot partitions can not be modified with S-on. Which is why s-off is required to update the firmware manually.
Yes, long boot time is a known symptom of flashing a 2.x based custom ROM, while having outdated 1.x based firmware on the phone. So you need to s-off and update the firmware manually.
Alternately, you can return to stock ROM and recovery, and install your latest official OTA, which will update the firmware.
knights.JayTana said:
i stumble upon a thread that S-off is really needed to have proper and compatible FW and ROM. Question is, isnt it the FW is packed with the ROM? My M8 is rooted, bootloader open but still S-Off (IC ROM and Elemental KERNEL). Please enlighten me.
PS: i read about this whole thing coz the boot time of my phone is just too long, i asked in one of the thread here; someone said that its because of this FW and ROM thingy that might be incompatible...
Sorry if i asked too much. Thanks anyway...
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Your firmware is separate from the ROM you run, it runs between the ROM and the hardware if you like. Its the base software that is updated by RUU or an OTA, but a ROM won't update it. Hence why devs recommend to update firmware to the latest as their ROM is based on the latest sources, but it doesnt update it.
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No. Firmware is not packed with custom ROMs. When talking about updating the firmware, we are referring to the hboot, radio, and other modules (WiFi, Bluetooth, etc.). Flashing a ROM doesn't touch those firmware partitions. And in fact the radio and hboot partitions can not be modified with S-on. Which is why s-off is required to update the firmware manually.
Yes, long boot time is a known symptom of flashing a 2.x based custom ROM, while having outdated 1.x based firmware on the phone. So you need to s-off and update the firmware manually.
Alternately, you can return to stock ROM and recovery, and install your latest official OTA, which will update the firmware.
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Your firmware is separate from the ROM you run, it runs between the ROM and the hardware if you like. Its the base software that is updated by RUU or an OTA, but a ROM won't update it. Hence why devs recommend to update firmware to the latest as their ROM is based on the latest sources, but it doesnt update it.
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Thanks a lot to both of you guys. Do i need stock RUU on my phone other than stock recovery? How about the bootloader? Another thing is, cant seem to open/enter Firewater website? been trying for 3 days now, no luck...
knights.JayTana said:
Thanks a lot to both of you guys. Do i need stock RUU on my phone other than stock recovery? How about the bootloader? Another thing is, cant seem to open/enter Firewater website? been trying for 3 days now, no luck...
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Just tried the firewater site and its working ok for me, was able to download the firewater tool also.
Working now, Thanks a lot... Damn this browser... hehehehe
knights.JayTana said:
Do i need stock RUU on my phone other than stock recovery? How about the bootloader? Another thing is, cant seem to open/enter Firewater website? been trying for 3 days now, no luck...
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You probably won't find an RUU for your version, as I believe only the US versions have RUU. Unfortunate, as RUU would be another way update you to the 2.x firmware, and would be a really easy way to do so.
You just need stock ROM and recovery, for purpose of accepting OTAs. You should be able to get both of those here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2701376
You shouldn't have to do anything with bootloader. Since you are still S-on, there is no way you would have been able to modify bootloader, and therefore it is still stock.
Firewater website works fine for me. In fact, it loads almost instantly. Do you have any local firewalls or anything else that might be blocking the website? Although also be aware that firewater won't work on most recent M8's (and you may need to use sunshine if you want s-off). Although it doesn't hurt to try firewater.
???? does this mean i cant no longer use firewater on my m8?
knights.JayTana said:
???? does this mean i cant no longer use firewater on my m8?
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Most likely if yu get that message, than NO firewater won't work.
Although some custom ROMs (not sure about InserCoin) and kernels might interfere with firewater.
What hboot and radio baseband?
ohhh no, im with elementalX Kernel. Will try my luck with Stock kernel. Ill be back here later, rebooting my phone takes ages
Still no luck. hahahahahahaha!!! Damn... Tried the Sunshine but will also not work without stock ROM and Kernel. hahahahaahha...
knights.JayTana said:
Tried the Sunshine but will also not work without stock ROM and Kernel. hahahahaahha...
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I've read that Maximum ROM works with Sunshine.
EDIT: Meant "Maximus". Keep typing that name wrong. My brain keeps wanting to autocorrect!
Although you might need to find an older build of Maximus. I see that as of last night, it was just updated to Android 4.4.4! So bets are off about Sunshine working with Maximus, until its reported to work with the new build.
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I've read that Maximum ROM works with Sunshine.
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Here's the HBOOT info. Please help me guys
knights.JayTana said:
Here's the HBOOT info. Please help me guys
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3.16 may or may not work with firewater. If you have tried with stock ROM and kernel, and get the "whelp" message, than you are out of luck.
Sunshine should work, again I'd try with stock ROM and kernel.
I made it with Sunshine... heheheehhe... Thanks a lot guys...
Hello,
I am looking for the stock ROM for my HTC ONE M8 because I had a few issues before and I put the first ROM that worked. Because my phone is S-On still it was difficult to find a ROM.
I am currently on a 4.4.4 ROM which has no check for updates feature so when Android L is pushed onto my device I won't be able to get it.
My HTC One M8 is a European version and is currently unlocked to all networks. I've tried to install the official HTC ROM from the website but it hangs and nothing updates, on my task manager I can see the CPU is busy but it does nothing.
Android Version : 4.4.4
HTC Sense version : 6.0
Software number : Android Revolution HD 22.1 by mike1986
Baseband bersion 1.22.2133147A1
Build number : 3.28.401.9
have you read this page: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2701376 ?
nathankk said:
I am looking for the stock ROM for my HTC ONE M8 because I had a few issues before and I put the first ROM that worked. Because my phone is S-On still it was difficult to find a ROM.
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Why? You can flash any M8 ROMs with s-on. And since it appears your firmware is up to date, you can flash any of the latest ROMs with any firmware mismatch issues.
nathankk said:
I am currently on a 4.4.4 ROM which has no check for updates feature so when Android L is pushed onto my device I won't be able to get it.
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Custom ROMs won't get official OTAs.
Also, in addition to returning to stock ROM, you need to revert to stock recovery to install any OTAs. Its all described in the thread linked in the previous response.
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Why? You can flash any M8 ROMs with s-on. And since it appears your firmware is up to date, you can flash any of the latest ROMs with any firmware mismatch issues.
Custom ROMs won't get official OTAs.
Also, in addition to returning to stock ROM, you need to revert to stock recovery to install any OTAs. Its all described in the thread linked in the previous response.
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I was under the impression with,S-On you can't flash any ROM onto it. Can I literally choose any of those CIDs and it will be compatible with my phone? Instead of messing around can I just wait for the release of lollipop and then flash the ROM that gets posted on here. I just got a little confused because on that post it has carrier names and my phone is unlocked to all networks.
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I was under the impression with,S-On you can't flash any ROM onto it. Can I literally choose any of those CIDs and it will be compatible with my phone? Instead of messing around can I just wait for the release of lollipop and then flash the ROM that gets posted on here. I just got a little confused because on that post it has carrier names and my phone is unlocked to all networks.
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I think you are talking about flashing firmware or a RUU ? No... If you're s-on, you can only flash your CID. But that has nothing to do with custom roms... Which is what the others have been talking about. ?
Darth said:
I think you are talking about flashing firmware or a RUU ? No... If you're s-on, you can only flash your CID. But that has nothing to do with custom roms... Which is what the others have been talking about.
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I'm on a custom ROM now I believe and I'm wanting to return to stock, I want to be sure before I do anything so I don't brick the phone. How do I find which CID I need to download?
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I was under the impression with,S-On you can't flash any ROM onto it. Can I literally choose any of those CIDs and it will be compatible with my phone?
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Any of the stock nandroids should work (meaning they will function). But if you want the stock ROM for your CID, than obviously you need to determine the CID and restore the corresponding stock nandroid.
One reason to restore to your stock nandroid, is that if you also restore the corresponding stock recovery you will be able to receive official OTAs.
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Instead of messing around can I just wait for the release of lollipop and then flash the ROM that gets posted on here.
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Yes and no. You can flash any custom ROM, including upcoming LP Sense ROMs. But what complicates the issue is that HTC has updated the firmware (hboot, radio, WiFI, etc.) for every major OS software update. If you don't update the firmware accordingly, flashing a ROM that depends on that firmware will result in some major issues (such as long boot times and broken WiFi).
Updating firmware manually requires s-off (which may be the reason why you are under the impression that ROMs can't be flashed with s-on). Or alternately, you can return to stock ROM and recovery and OTA when the LolliSense update rolls out; and this will also update the firmware.
Keep in mind, as previously mentioned your current firmware will work with any current custom ROMs that depend on 3.x firmware.
nathankk said:
I just got a little confused because on that post it has carrier names and my phone is unlocked to all networks.
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Regardless of the fact your phone is not carrier branded, it still has a CID, probably HTC__ something or other.
fastboot getvar all will yield your CID. No need to post your getvar data, just look for where it says CID. If you post getvar data, be sure to delete IMEI and serial number, as these are personal data that should not be posted on the internet.
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Any of the stock nandroids should work (meaning they will function). But if you want the stock ROM for your CID, than obviously you need to determine the CID and restore the corresponding stock nandroid.
One reason to restore to your stock nandroid, is that if you also restore the corresponding stock recovery you will be able to receive official OTAs.
Yes and no. You can flash any custom ROM, including upcoming LP Sense ROMs. But what complicates the issue is that HTC has updated the firmware (hboot, radio, WiFI, etc.) for every major OS software update. If you don't update the firmware accordingly, flashing a ROM that depends on that firmware will result in some major issues (such as long boot times and broken WiFi).
Updating firmware manually requires s-off (which may be the reason why you are under the impression that ROMs can't be flashed with s-on). Or alternately, you can return to stock ROM and recovery and OTA when the LolliSense update rolls out; and this will also update the firmware.
Keep in mind, as previously mentioned your current firmware will work with any current custom ROMs that depend on 3.x firmware.
Regardless of the fact your phone is not carrier branded, it still has a CID, probably HTC__ something or other.
fastboot getvar all will yield your CID. No need to post your getvar data, just look for where it says CID. If you post getvar data, be sure to delete IMEI and serial number, as these are personal data that should not be posted on the internet.
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Fantastic reply! let me buy you a beer.
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Fantastic reply! let me buy you a beer.
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Heh, while I love beer, gratitude by clicking the "Thanks" button is enough!
OP, check the link in my signature. Full guide to go back to stock with the EU M8 (most of it will work with S-ON as well)
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Yes and no. You can flash any custom ROM, including upcoming LP Sense ROMs. But what complicates the issue is that HTC has updated the firmware (hboot, radio, WiFI, etc.) for every major OS software update. If you don't update the firmware accordingly, flashing a ROM that depends on that firmware will result in some major issues (such as long boot times and broken WiFi).
Updating firmware manually requires s-off (which may be the reason why you are under the impression that ROMs can't be flashed with s-on). Or alternately, you can return to stock ROM and recovery and OTA when the LolliSense update rolls out; and this will also update the firmware.
Keep in mind, as previously mentioned your current firmware will work with any current custom ROMs that depend on 3.x firmware.
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Heads up, as of early this week (Monday?) the Dev Edition M8 is rolling out Lollipop Sense via OTA. Some custom ROMs have now updated to this base, which is 4.16 software, and requires 4.16 firmware.
But as mentioned, any 3.x software based ROM will work on your current firmware.
I got the bootloader unlocked. I flashed TWRP. I installed SuperSu. Now after wiping and installing a new ROM, I can no longer get passed the HTC logo at all. I have tried multiple ROMs including Eragon ROM, Skydragon, and Viper. I really have no idea what to do at this point. Please help. If you need more info just ask. I am able to get into bootloader and TWRP but nothing I have tried has worked. This is the AT&T variant.
Edit: I've also just tried using a different recovery as well (Philz).. no luck.
the only time i had this happening with the M8 was when i forgot to do a full wipe before flashing, then got stuck with the logo. Are you absolutely sure you're performing a full wipe prior to flashing (daft Q i know).
Maybe it's something to do with TWRP? I'm using PhilZ Touch (simply because that it was recommended on the skydragon thread).
Can you restore the original ROM from a backup?
westy123 said:
the only time i had this happening with the M8 was when i forgot to do a full wipe before flashing, then got stuck with the logo. Are you absolutely sure you're performing a full wipe prior to flashing (daft Q i know).
Maybe it's something to do with TWRP? I'm using PhilZ Touch (simply because that it was recommended on the skydragon thread).
Can you restore the original ROM from a backup?
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Yes I am doing a full wipe before install. This is incredibly stupid of me and you can all make fun of me for it but I didn't have a backup. I am coming off of an M7 and never had issues with it so I figured it was fine. Guess I was wrong. . I thought it came with a backup stock but there is not one.
What's your hboot no. on the bootloader.
All these ROMs require no lower than hboot 3.19.0000
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What's your hboot no. on the bootloader.
All these ROMs require no lower than hboot 3.19.0000
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That could be it then. Says I'm on 3.16.0.0000. So I'll have to be S-Off and update my firmware then to get any ROMs working?
Seltioasa said:
That could be it then. Says I'm on 3.16.0.0000. So I'll have to be S-Off and update my firmware then to get any ROMs working?
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I'm not familiar with AT&T variant. The last info that I know they have RUU for 4.4.4, not sure about lollipop.
If you have plan to S-Off your device, with hboot 3.16.0000 you have better chance to do it with SunShine.
Once you updated your firmware, the chance to S-Off is slimmer.
Either you browse thru AT&T forum for info or maybe @redpoint73 can assist you here.
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That could be it then. Says I'm on 3.16.0.0000. So I'll have to be S-Off and update my firmware then to get any ROMs working?
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Depending on the ROM, most of them require a particular firmware (which contains hboot, radio, WiFI, media moduels and others), not just the hboot.
You can update to 4.4.4 firmware by RUU (relock bootloader since you are s-on). Backup any personal data first, as RUU will wipe the phone.
Once updated to 4.4.4 firmware, you can run any ROM that supports that firmware. If you want a ROM that requires 5.0 firmware, you currently need s-off to manually (by "unofficial" means) update the firmware; until AT&T releases official 5.0.
Yes, its confusing and you can blame HTC for the firmware complications.
RUUs are linked in my (AT&T specific) index thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2751432
I would like to root my HTC One M9 without installing TWRP or another custom recovery so that I can easily unroot and then take OTA updates. I have a developer M9 so my bootloader is already unlocked. I will eventually flash custom ROMs but at the moment, the stock firmware with Sense 7 is more than sufficient for me. Can anyone shed some light? I did find this http://www.how-to-root.club/2015/03/htc-one-m9-6891.html but I'm not sure how reliable it is since there's only a few comments.
theloneranger08 said:
I would like to root my HTC One M9 without installing TWRP or another custom recovery so that I can easily unroot and then take OTA updates. I have a developer M9 so my bootloader is already unlocked. I will eventually flash custom ROMs but at the moment, the stock firmware with Sense 7 is more than sufficient for me. Can anyone shed some light? I did find this http://www.how-to-root.club/2015/03/htc-one-m9-6891.html but I'm not sure how reliable it is since there's only a few comments.
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"I could be wrong here and let me know if I am" it doesn't work that way with the m9. That site is bogus anyways, could you not tell by the video? Anyhow, even if you where to root it, there is no way to "simply" unroot it and take ota. There is new security on the m9 dealing with updates. Ota will not work if your software is or has been modified in any way, or if you have super cid. The common way for people to get OTA with the m9 is flash twrp, make a backup BEFORE rooting, flash newest supersu beta inside twrp, profit. When ota comes, go back to twrp, restore non rooted backup, flash stock recovery, take ota. IMO this is all a waste of time with an htc, just bite the bullet and spend $25 on soff and you don't have to worry about ota, you can flash firmware all day long before htc even releases it. Just flash a stock rooted rom like maximus if you don't want a lot of tweaks.
Your boot loader will say modified after flashing twrp, and will still say modified after restoring back to your stock backup. The "modified" boot loader does not affect ota, but if it annoys you like it does me, the only way to get rid of it at this time is to have soff and flash stock RUU in exe or sdcard mode. fastboot oem rebootRUU will not remove boot loader modified
edit.. there is now a way to remove modified status without flashing rom
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"I could be wrong here and let me know if I am" it doesn't work that way with the m9. That site is bogus anyways, could you not tell by the video? Anyhow, even if you where to root it, there is no way to "simply" unroot it and take ota. There is new security on the m9 dealing with updates. Ota will not work if your software is or has been modified in any way, or if you have super cid. The common way for people to get OTA with the m9 is flash twrp, make a backup BEFORE rooting, flash newest supersu beta inside twrp, profit. When ota comes, go back to twrp, restore non rooted backup, flash stock recovery, take ota. IMO this is all a waste of time with an htc, just bite the bullet and spend $25 on soff and you don't have to worry about ota, you can flash firmware all day long before htc even releases it. Just flash a stock rooted rom like maximus if you don't want a lot of tweaks.
Your boot loader will say modified after flashing twrp, and will still say modified after restoring back to your stock backup. The "modified" boot loader does not affect ota, but if it annoys you like it does me, the only way to get rid of it at this time is to have soff and flash stock RUU in exe or sdcard mode. fastboot oem rebootRUU will not remove boot loader modified
edit.. there is now a way to remove modified status without flashing rom
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Thanks for all of the info. I wish simply rooting your phone wasn't such a pain. I guess I'll just flash TWRP, make a backup of my phone, and then root it and then if I need to do an OTA I can just restore the backup and flash the stock recovery. I found this download site for the recovery. I'm assuming I'd pick developer and then recovery. Do I use the signed one? What happens if I flash the wrong recovery? https://www.androidfilehost.com/?w=files&flid=28830
Also, if I S OFF you said I can install OTA updates? So I can install them even if I have a custom recovery and root access?
theloneranger08 said:
Also, if I S OFF you said I can install OTA updates? So I can install them even if I have a custom recovery and root access?
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Not ota, but you can flash firmware without doing anything. So you run a stockish rom like maximus and he releases his own OTA's, then you can flash official firmware to keep up with it, and if you get tired of that method, you can always ruu and go back to completely stock.
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Not ota, but you can flash firmware without doing anything. So you run a stockish rom like maximus and he releases his own OTA's, then you can flash official firmware to keep up with it, and if you get tired of that method, you can always ruu and go back to completely stock.
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So I bit the bullet and installed TWRP, did a Nandroid backup, and then rooted my phone. Now I'm trying to determine whether I want to S-Off my phone. I know that I'd need to RUU and return to stock to flash firmware if I'm S-On, but if I flash a rom that is continually updated, then will I miss any of the features of new firmware released by HTC? I guess my question is, if a dev. updates a rom to reflect the newest firmware from HTC, how does that actually work because from what I've read, it doesn't actually touch the firmware of the phone? So would there be things that HTC can improve that the rom cannot?
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So I bit the bullet and installed TWRP, did a Nandroid backup, and then rooted my phone. Now I'm trying to determine whether I want to S-Off my phone. I know that I'd need to RUU and return to stock to flash firmware if I'm S-On, but if I flash a rom that is continually updated, then will I miss any of the features of new firmware released by HTC? I guess my question is, if a dev. updates a rom to reflect the newest firmware from HTC, how does that actually work because from what I've read, it doesn't actually touch the firmware of the phone? So would there be things that HTC can improve that the rom cannot?
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Correct. Roms do not upgrade firmware. In the future you will need to upgrade firmware when wifi/camera/touchscreen/etc improvements are implemented into firmware. Having soff, you can simply flash just the firmware and not worry about software. Without soff, you have to revert back to stock and take ota or use new firmware RUU. Soff is a must on HTC and is honestly the only reason I didn't buy an s6. Ive had the m7/m8/m9 and the flexibility of rooting and firmware etc is unlike any other.
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Correct. Roms do not upgrade firmware. In the future you will need to upgrade firmware when wifi/camera/touchscreen/etc improvements are implemented into firmware. Having soff, you can simply flash just the firmware and not worry about software. Without soff, you have to revert back to stock and take ota or use new firmware RUU. Soff is a must on HTC and is honestly the only reason I didn't buy an s6. Ive had the m7/m8/m9 and the flexibility of rooting and firmware etc is unlike any other.
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Ok great and I can flash firmware regardless of what rom I'm running?
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Ok great and I can flash firmware regardless of what rom I'm running?
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Correct. It doesn't have to be a perfect match, just in the same base. Right now your current firmware is fine, but most people swap to the newest developer with no red text. If you are new to htc and flashing firmware read instructions carefully or ask me. You need super cid or matching cid to flash firmware that isn't supported by your carrier variant. Everyone has to learn and these phones are near impossible to hard brick as long as you can read. Never flash cdma firmware on gsm phone, never run ruu for your phone if MID doesn't match, never turn s-on back on, but if you have to make sure you are NOT super cid or have unsigned firmware "no red text firmware" Never ever ever unzip a signed firmware file and edit it and zip it back up to flash unless you decrypt it and know what you are doing. Get an 32 gig or less sd card. Feel free to ask me any questions.
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Correct. It doesn't have to be a perfect match, just in the same base. Right now your current firmware is fine, but most people swap to the newest developer with no red text. If you are new to htc and flashing firmware read instructions carefully or ask me. You need super cid or matching cid to flash firmware that isn't supported by your carrier variant. Everyone has to learn and these phones are near impossible to hard brick as long as you can read. Never flash cdma firmware on gsm phone, never run ruu for your phone if MID doesn't match, never turn s-on back on, but if you have to make sure you are NOT super cid or have unsigned firmware "no red text firmware" Never ever ever unzip a signed firmware file and edit it and zip it back up to flash unless you decrypt it and know what you are doing. Get an 32 gig or less sd card. Feel free to ask me any questions.
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Awesome, thanks I really appreciate it. I'll definitely let you know if I have any questions.
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So I bit the bullet and installed TWRP, did a Nandroid backup, and then rooted my phone. Now I'm trying to determine whether I want to S-Off my phone. I know that I'd need to RUU and return to stock to flash firmware if I'm S-On, but if I flash a rom that is continually updated, then will I miss any of the features of new firmware released by HTC? I guess my question is, if a dev. updates a rom to reflect the newest firmware from HTC, how does that actually work because from what I've read, it doesn't actually touch the firmware of the phone? So would there be things that HTC can improve that the rom cannot?
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Check it out this http://www.bestandroidrootedapps.com/how-to-root-htc-one-m9-and-also-have-custom-recovery-installed-on-it/