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I've been debating getting an S4 as the glass on my Nexus 4 cracked. Would there be any difference in buying an S4 now and waiting for the "nexus" version? I plan on putting a ROM on it either way.
If I got an S4 now is there any chance that I would be able to flash the Stock Google image to it when the "nexus" version comes out.
I never knew there was a nexus version of the GS4... although most likely the Google version of the GS4 firmware would work with the M919 (T-mobile version)...
At this point it is pure speculation as if we will be able to use the rom off the pure AOSP version GS4. I am sure even if Google don't support it some rom devs will work on it but I don't want your decision based off of guesses. (heck I may even try to work on it. j/k)
Just my 2 cents.
The Google Edition Galaxy S4 is supposed to come out next month. I have read that it will only be sold from the Google Play Store. It will be $20 more then if you bought the phone full price from T-mobile. It will have an unlocked bootloader and will not be carrier locked out of the box. I'm hoping that T-mobile will not have the IMEI numbers for these phones so that I can possibly use one on a data only account that I have. Currently T-mobile blocks the use of phones that they sell from being used on a data only account.
Im seriously on the fence right now. I have AT&T and i have the money to buy (A) GS4. Im going to buy the Google S4 but im willing to get the T-Mo S4 providing that i can install AOSP on it. Now i know that CM is available for the phone, but what is broken? I have been reading the forums and someone people are stating that there is some weird lags here and there, even on stock android (cm based). Too many options.
knitler said:
I've been debating getting an S4 as the glass on my Nexus 4 cracked. Would there be any difference in buying an S4 now and waiting for the "nexus" version? I plan on putting a ROM on it either way.
If I got an S4 now is there any chance that I would be able to flash the Stock Google image to it when the "nexus" version comes out.
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http://www.androidauthority.com/galaxy-s4-nexus-t-mobile-212316/
Chances are good. :good:
if you can hold out till june 26th, then wait.
even if the tmo version gets the nexus rom through a port, it will take some time, and if you are on AT&T like I am you would not be getting it at the subsidized price. meaning you save 20 bucks for all the trouble of trying to get the nexus rom on it later who knows when.
Let me remind you about resale values, the nexus S4 will likely have a better resale value just on the fact alone that it is "factory unlocked" and LTE is guaranteed to work on either ATT or Tmo.
I have an ATT 32gb S4 right now, and I'm holding out till the Google edition is out, I was thinking of getting another ATT White S4 for my other line but I'm gonna hold out for the Google Edition :good:
The only thing that makes me consider the T-Mo version over the coming Stock Android version is Wi-Fi calling.
Can't you unlock the T Mobile version, once paid for fully. This would allow for compatibility on other GSM networks I believe, since the phone supports other frequencies as well (not just T Mobile). The Google edition S4 appears to be the same as the T Mobile version. Wouldn't a Rom port easily? Couldn't there even be an Odin file to flash the pure Google Rom?
Samsung Galaxy S4 Google Edition spotted on Bluetooth SIG
According to this link the model number for the GS4GE is GT-I9505G. So it isn't based on the SGH-M919 model that T-mobile uses. Which leaves the question of whether T-mobiles HSPA+42 network is supported or not.
Paten said:
Samsung Galaxy S4 Google Edition spotted on Bluetooth SIG
According to this link the model number for the GS4GE is GT-I9505G. So it isn't based on the SGH-M919 model that T-mobile uses. Which leaves the question of whether T-mobiles HSPA+42 network is supported or not.
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I believe the M919 is one of the US variants of the GT I9505.
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http://www.ubergizmo.com/2013/05/galaxy-s4-nexus-edition-reportedly-akin-to-t-mobile-variant/
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http://m.androidauthority.com/galaxy-s4-nexus-t-mobile-212316/
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I believe the M919 is one of the US variants of the GT I9505.
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http://www.ubergizmo.com/2013/05/galaxy-s4-nexus-edition-reportedly-akin-to-t-mobile-variant/
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This makes a lot of sense. Especially since i can't seem to find "M919" on GSMArena.com anywhere.
http://pocketnow.com/2013/05/23/google-galaxy-s-4-2
This sort of adds to the confusion. But we know it will have LTE support for t mobile and ATT. The big question is if it will have HSPA+ support. Exactly what Paten said, now I see what he meant.
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However, many sources state that the I9505 model number is used to designate those devices with LTE support and the Snapdragon 600. So, the model number designation is confusing.
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However, many sources state that the I9505 model number is used to designate those devices with LTE support and the Snapdragon 600. So, the model number designation is confusing.
Nobody outside of Google or Samsung knows for sure, but from a hardware perspective, what additional capabilities could the GT-I9505G have over the M919? After all, doesn't the latter support all GSM/HSPA+ frequencies used by US and Euro carriers, plus LTE support for both TMo and AT&T LTE bands? Is there any compelling hardware-related reason to wait for the Google Edition S4 rather than pick up the M919 now?
I ended up just buying a Tmobile version and using the sim unlock method posted and im now using it on AT&T with LTE with CM 10.1. Eventually they will release the ROM making it a "Nexus" GS4. All in due time. If not i have 30 days to return it for a small "rent" fee of $50. No biggie.
Paten said:
Samsung Galaxy S4 Google Edition spotted on Bluetooth SIG
According to this link the model number for the GS4GE is GT-I9505G. So it isn't based on the SGH-M919 model that T-mobile uses. Which leaves the question of whether T-mobiles HSPA+42 network is supported or not.
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This thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2291523
Says that 9505 images work as long as you don't flash the modem. if this is true then the AOSP restores from Google should easily flash to the phone.
ferganer said:
The only thing that makes me consider the T-Mo version over the coming Stock Android version is Wi-Fi calling.
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This is the only reason I would keep a T-Mobile issued device - the Wi-fi calling has saved me while travelling abroad and in areas with poor reception.
knitler said:
This thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2291523
Says that 9505 images work as long as you don't flash the modem. if this is true then the AOSP restores from Google should easily flash to the phone.
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Yes, it's true. I'm using Omegas v3.1 from 9505 right now.
-Sent from my TMO Samsung Galaxy S4
re: CM
serialtoon said:
Im seriously on the fence right now. I have AT&T and i have the money to buy (A) GS4. Im going to buy the Google S4 but im willing to get the T-Mo S4 providing that i can install AOSP on it. Now i know that CM is available for the phone, but what is broken? I have been reading the forums and someone people are stating that there is some weird lags here and there, even on stock android (cm based). Too many options.
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There are a lot of things broke, missing and partially working on the SGS3 and SGS4 AOSP/AOKP/CM10.1 roms.
Here are just a few: many parts of the camera don't work or don't work properly, video playback audio is super low,
sometimes you can hardly hear it without headset, there is no wifi calling at all and none of the touchwiz specific
features are even incorporated into any of the CM10/10.1 roms except for the tw launcher.
I am sure I missed some other issues and problems, but you will only have grief if you use any Cyanogen based AOKP/AOSP or ported roms.
These CM10/AOSP/AOKP roms are really excellent for developers and for those people who want to get into development
or for people who really enjoy experimenting and learning more about their phones.
But for the average or not so average "joe" who wants an excellent full feature custom rom
with everything working properly these AOKP/AOSP/CM roms are just not the answer.
There many other custom roms which are based on Touchwiz Jellybean 4.2.2 stock roms which truly are excellent with all the features of
the S4 working properly without any issues and drawbacks which have always been a deal breaker for most people except developers.
both the versions of phones have their own specifications in terms of hardware and software configurations .. but nexus is some what better than S4 in my opinion.. what you say..
I'm debating whether I should get the n900a or n900t. I want to root, which seems possible on the n900a with towelroot, but it would be nice to have the unlocked boot loader of the t mobile variant. However, I will be using the phone on ATT. If I buy a n900t from swappa, how easy is it to SIM unlock it for use on ATT? Would you buy the n900a or n900t of you wanted a rooted device to use on ATT? Thanks!
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I'm debating whether I should get the n900a or n900t. I want to root, which seems possible on the n900a with towelroot, but it would be nice to have the unlocked boot loader of the t mobile variant. However, I will be using the phone on ATT. If I buy a n900t from swappa, how easy is it to SIM unlock it for use on ATT? Would you buy the n900a or n900t of you wanted a rooted device to use on ATT? Thanks!
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I will be buying all my phones from t-mobile or any other reputable source to use my unlocked bootloader phones on att. My buddy and I have att service, mine is unlocked custom ROM ran, and it just outperforms in battery, customization, and I have no bugs compared to his. Frankly though, it is preference. Do you like to run custom, or do you want to do what att tells you to?
Sent from the dirty flashed note 3!
noobtoob said:
I will be buying all my phones from t-mobile or any other reputable source to use my unlocked bootloader phones on att. My buddy and I have att service, mine is unlocked custom ROM ran, and it just outperforms in battery, customization, and I have no bugs compared to his. Frankly though, it is preference. Do you like to run custom, or do you want to do what att tells you to?
Sent from the dirty flashed note 3!
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Well I'm definitely not an ATT fanboy, but currently using cricket because att has the best GSM service around here. I'm using a Moto G with xposed/gravity box, along with nova launcher. So I think I would be happy with a rooted n900a, as long as I can freeze the bloatware and get my beloved pie controls. So I'd rather not have to spend the extra bucks for the n900t (buying used... ~$50-100 difference on Swappa), but I also don't want to regret being stuck with the locked boot loader...
I hear you. I run pretty minimal with the exception of tweaks. Use ADW launcher, uninstall all bloat ware, then make my phone look pretty. But the choice if kernels, init.d scripts, and being able to free up about 40% of the storage speaks volumes to me. Being able to run cm, aosp you get even more storage back.
I started with t mobile service and was happy while in city limits, but had to switch to att due to travels outside. They are bigger than Verizon where I live. Cricket has some good plans, but aren't you forced to purchase the phone outright? If this is the case, and you want options, might as will go with the one that allows for greater use.
The phone price is about the same, just one allows you to do more with it. Just a quick online search indicates that att full price phone is $764.99, and the t mobile variant is only $717.60.
Sent from the dirty flashed note 3!
noobtoob said:
I hear you. I run pretty minimal with the exception of tweaks. Use ADW launcher, uninstall all bloat ware, then make my phone look pretty. But the choice if kernels, init.d scripts, and being able to free up about 40% of the storage speaks volumes to me. Being able to run cm, aosp you get even more storage back.
I started with t mobile service and was happy while in city limits, but had to switch to att due to travels outside. They are bigger than Verizon where I live. Cricket has some good plans, but aren't you forced to purchase the phone outright? If this is the case, and you want options, might as will go with the one that allows for greater use.
The phone price is about the same, just one allows you to do more with it. Just a quick online search indicates that att full price phone is $764.99, and the t mobile variant is only $717.60.
Sent from the dirty flashed note 3!
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No you can BYOP to Cricket, so I will be purchasing used. I can get the n900a on Swappa for ~$390 while the n900t runs ~$460. So I'm thinking if I will be happy with root getting me the Nova Launcher/Pie control/Adaway/app freeze experience that I am used to then there's not a big incentive to spend the extra money to be able to run custom ROMS that I currently do without anyway. However running a slimmer ROM and freeing up storage space is tempting.
adbyerly said:
No you can BYOP to Cricket, so I will be purchasing used. I can get the n900a on Swappa for ~$390 while the n900t runs ~$460. So I'm thinking if I will be happy with root getting me the Nova Launcher/Pie control/Adaway/app freeze experience that I am used to then there's not a big incentive to spend the extra money to be able to run custom ROMS that I currently do without anyway. However running a slimmer ROM and freeing up storage space is tempting.
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I hear you. Good luck with your search.
Sent from the dirty flashed note 3!
adbyerly said:
I'm debating whether I should get the n900a or n900t. I want to root, which seems possible on the n900a with towelroot, but it would be nice to have the unlocked boot loader of the t mobile variant. However, I will be using the phone on ATT. If I buy a n900t from swappa, how easy is it to SIM unlock it for use on ATT? Would you buy the n900a or n900t of you wanted a rooted device to use on ATT? Thanks!
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I unlocked my n900t a couple weeks ag to use on straight talk on att towers. Couldn't unlock it without cellunlocker. So I did and it's unlocked now. Be careful buying off swappa and make sure you check that the imei doesn't have a payment still on it.
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andrewnelson23 said:
I unlocked my n900t a couple weeks ag to use on straight talk on att towers. Couldn't unlock it without cellunlocker. So I did and it's unlocked now. Be careful buying off swappa and make sure you check that the imei doesn't have a payment still on it.
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If you can ask the seller to provide proof they paid off the E.I.P., (equipment installment plan). That's what I did when I sold my At&t Galaxy note 3 (n900a). Actually I provided proof of payment in the description. So that potential buyers wouldn't have to request proof.
Of course that won't work if your ebay/swappa seller is a third party reseller.
Hi,
I know there is no way to unlock the bootloader on an att Note 4, but if ATT unlocks it would it become an International Version and can the bootloader be unlocked? Sorry if this is a dumb question.
Young fool.... only now do you realize the power of evil AT&T produces.
Now Rosachin, you will die.
(In all realness, no of course not. ATT ain't that nice nor will it ever be. You can unlock the phone in terms of cellular network but that's it.)
I cant believe I didnt come here before I bought 2 brand new at&t Note 4's Unlocked. What an idiot I am. Just never had a at&t and didnt think anything of it because everytime I have wanted to root and mod my previous phones, I never had a problem.. I never had at&t though.. uhhgg. maybe by the time I just cant stand the stock rom, they will unlock the bootloader? I dont know if that's how it works...
Oh well, sad man here.
BlindDude said:
I cant believe I didnt come here before I bought 2 brand new at&t Note 4's Unlocked. What an idiot I am. Just never had a at&t and didnt think anything of it because everytime I have wanted to root and mod my previous phones, I never had a problem.. I never had at&t though.. uhhgg. maybe by the time I just cant stand the stock rom, they will unlock the bootloader? I dont know if that's how it works...
Oh well, sad man here.
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Oh I feel you man. Note 4 was my first phone on ATT and I regret it. If I wanted to be locked down I would get a iphone. Still the note 4 is a great phone just with a lot of unused potential.
FLASHnox said:
Oh I feel you man. Note 4 was my first phone on ATT and I regret it. If I wanted to be locked down I would get a iphone. Still the note 4 is a great phone just with a lot of unused potential.
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Well, I just sent a return request for one of the note 4's. AND just bought a USED sm910T from ebay.
So, instead of me getting a brand new AT&T UNMODDABLE note 4, I will be getting a used but in great condition T-Mobile note 4.
And if I can get out of the restocking fees from the return, I will come out 50 bucks ahead. Cool.
The other new note 4 went to my daughter for xmas, and she already broke the screen. DOH!!
I lucked out this time I guess.
Cheers all.
BlindDude said:
I cant believe I didnt come here before I bought 2 brand new at&t Note 4's Unlocked. What an idiot I am. Just never had a at&t and didnt think anything of it because everytime I have wanted to root and mod my previous phones, I never had a problem.. I never had at&t though.. uhhgg. maybe by the time I just cant stand the stock rom, they will unlock the bootloader? I dont know if that's how it works...
Oh well, sad man here.
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Yeah man, I'ved used At&t for years. Some phones still ended up rooting and unlocked (Sky-Rocket, LG E970, and Note II) this is the 1st phone I purchased that couldn't be rooted to install ROMs and Mods. Very annoyed but glad to know after this experience we know not to buy from At&t directly. Either buy unlocked form Swappa, eBay or Amazon or know that you will be limited when you buy from carrier. In the mean time if you really want out, pay the bill so its clear for selling, and sell it online or in person. Also you can wait it out until the next upgrade.
PhonePhan said:
Yeah man, I'ved used At&t for years. Some phones still ended up rooting and unlocked (Sky-Rocket, LG E970, and Note II) this is the 1st phone I purchased that couldn't be rooted to install ROMs and Mods. Very annoyed but glad to know after this experience we know not to buy from At&t directly. Either buy unlocked form Swappa, eBay or Amazon or know that you will be limited when you buy from carrier. In the mean time if you really want out, pay the bill so its clear for selling, and sell it online or in person. Also you can wait it out until the next upgrade.
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Never again for me, not directly from AT&T & maybe not Samsung. [AT&T-Captivate, and VZ-Note2..rooted and other ROM'd but now ]. Question: what aspect of the hardware allows a carrier's specific bands of LTE to function? Or is it that the hardware is fully "plastic", capable of any LTE banding given the software[albeit locked] and SIM[mine unlocked] ? There are multiple Note4's. AT&Ts also runs UMTS and GSM. T's? Verizon's also runs its EV-DO. Perhaps these 2G, and 3G aspects become irrelevant and the 4G/LTE buildout completes, but the question remains over capability on carrier specific LTE bands.
With my SIM unlocked Note4 I used a VODA SIM this summer in Italy, but don't recall whether I had access to LTE , or evn which data mode functioned.
Ok, I hope I don't get in trouble for asking this here. . I tried to search but I'm not real good on this phone yet. . That's no excuse, I know. ..
Anyway, I received my T-Mobile Note 4 today and I want to root it right away as I am an owner of titanium backup and rom toolbox.
I am wondering if there is an easy way to root my device without installing a custom kernel AND not require a pc?
If I have to use a custom kernel, which one is the most stable?
My device specs are
SM-N910T3
Android 5.1.1
LMY47X.N910T3UVU1DOK2
KNOX 2.4.1
I have data turned off on my phone and disabled data from my carrier. I use WiFi and no data. .
Again I'm sorry for asking this but it's been a real long time since I have installed custom anything and my pc blue screens randomly so I'm afraid to try rooting my phone that way.
Please, step by step, easy tutorial or a link to where I need to go?
Thanks a bunch.
Blind
BlindDude said:
Ok, I hope I don't get in trouble for asking this here. . I tried to search but I'm not real good on this phone yet. . That's no excuse, I know. ..
Anyway, I received my T-Mobile Note 4 today and I want to root it right away as I am an owner of titanium backup and rom toolbox.
I am wondering if there is an easy way to root my device without installing a custom kernel AND not require a pc?
If I have to use a custom kernel, which one is the most stable?
My device specs are
SM-N910T3
Android 5.1.1
LMY47X.N910T3UVU1DOK2
KNOX 2.4.1
I have data turned off on my phone and disabled data from my carrier. I use WiFi and no data. .
Again I'm sorry for asking this but it's been a real long time since I have installed custom anything and my pc blue screens randomly so I'm afraid to try rooting my phone that way.
Please, step by step, easy tutorial or a link to where I need to go?
Thanks a bunch.
Blind
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I'd recommend asking on the T-mobile Note 4 forum. We all own the ATT model here.
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spexwood said:
I'd recommend asking on the T-mobile Note 4 forum. We all own the ATT model here.
Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-N910A using Tapatalk
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Yeah, oops. Sorry for that.. Please disregard...
Odischeese said:
Young fool.... only now do you realize the power of evil AT&T produces.
Now Rosachin, you will die.
(In all realness, no of course not. ATT ain't that nice nor will it ever be. You can unlock the phone in terms of cellular network but that's it.)
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The real reason carriers lock bootloaders (just remove the space after www and http)
http s://www .youtube.com/watch?v=gpVocvREboo&list=UURAxVOVt3sasdcxW343eg_A&app=desktop
[email protected] the space. Ironically....yeah i will remove the space so you can suffer clicking on the link on your phone...
Since we are on the subject of bootloaders. It's been a while since I flashed a custom rom on a phone. But from what I remember, isn't the bootloader these pictures that I attached? I took pictures on my AT&T Note 4.
Thanks
Yes i have read the whole thing.
Ok, to cut a long story short;
i bought a note 4 on an online australian shop for $470 (really hard without a job)
Anyway, they noted that their phones are from GENUINE Suppliers and i got a Note 4 UNLOCKED from, you guessed it. AT&T.
Now i wasnt too fussed. I was happy i got a note 4 that wasnt a chinese brick phone, since it technically was refurbished from their Hong Kong Warehouse. Anyways
After like...idk 2 months? approx? i decided i wanna root it. Guess what?! BOOTLOADER. WHAT THE ***T!!
Anyway, i spoke to some people, one said he hasnt rooted a phone passed gen 6. and the other person said 'no cant root. Bootloader is locked and no way to bypass.'
Soo im wondering if its possible to root the phone without removing bootloader? I dont restart my phone much and the whole bootloader doesnt worry me so im just curious if i can chuck a stock rom on without worrying about the bootloader.
Some background info:
I am Australian, therefore my phone is running under Australian networks (Boost, Lyca, Telstra, Optus, Vodafone, etc)
It is filled with unwanted, unnecessary AT&T bloatware.
esmereldakagaome101 said:
Ok, to cut a long story short;
i bought a note 4 on an online australian shop for $470 (really hard without a job)
Anyway, they noted that their phones are from GENUINE Suppliers and i got a Note 4 UNLOCKED from, you guessed it. AT&T.
Now i wasnt too fussed. I was happy i got a note 4 that wasnt a chinese brick phone, since it technically was refurbished from their Hong Kong Warehouse. Anyways
After like...idk 2 months? approx? i decided i wanna root it. Guess what?! BOOTLOADER. WHAT THE ***T!!
Anyway, i spoke to some people, one said he hasnt rooted a phone passed gen 6. and the other person said 'no cant root. Bootloader is locked and no way to bypass.'
Soo im wondering if its possible to root the phone without removing bootloader? I dont restart my phone much and the whole bootloader doesnt worry me so im just curious if i can chuck a stock rom on without worrying about the bootloader.
Some background info:
I am Australian, therefore my phone is running under Australian networks (Boost, Lyca, Telstra, Optus, Vodafone, etc)
It is filled with unwanted, unnecessary AT&T bloatware.
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No root or bootloader unlock yet or maybe ever....u can disable all the att stuff but not remove completely without root. At least it will cleanup ure app drawer a lil.
AT&T note 4 update?
I'm seeing the most recent updates being in 2016. Is there any new updates on the progress of unlocking bootloader for this device?
flgators197 said:
I'm seeing the most recent updates being in 2016. Is there any new updates on the progress of unlocking bootloader for this device?
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Still waiting for a miracle to happen
rosachin21k said:
Hi,
I know there is no way to unlock the bootloader on an att Note 4, but if ATT unlocks it would it become an International Version and can the bootloader be unlocked? Sorry if this is a dumb question.
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Ripping encrypted DVDs (or DVDs locked to a region) = unlocked
PlayStation 3 = reverse engineered
iPhone = jailbroken
Why isn't the AT&T Note4 unlocked yet? Would offering a bounty help? Is it impossible to unlock? Is it a matter of time? Is it a matter of throwing lots of computation power against the lock?
What will finally get the AT&T Note4 unlocked?
bbwarfield said:
Ripping encrypted DVDs (or DVDs locked to a region) = unlocked
PlayStation 3 = reverse engineered
iPhone = jailbroken
Why isn't the AT&T Note4 unlocked yet? Would offering a bounty help? Is it impossible to unlock? Is it a matter of time? Is it a matter of throwing lots of computation power against the lock?
What will finally get the AT&T Note4 unlocked?
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With that, the ATT Note 4 may very well be, the most secure mobile phone ever!
boofman said:
With that, the ATT Note 4 may very well be, the most secure mobile phone ever!
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Is there no bounty offered? If each ATT Note4 owner chips in a few dollars, we could raise a bounty of several hundred dollars. Then some tech-wiz can take much time trying to unlock the bootloader.
Anybody else willing to contribute to a bounty?
I'm on AT&T, but no contract so, correct me if I'm wrong, there isn't any reason to buy the note from AT&T. How, as an American, do I buy the international version? The only place I see it is on amazon, where they're charging an extra 100$ for.
Additionally is there any reason not to go with the international version?
Just wait for the N930U. Or shell out the extra $100 for the exynos variant.
I'm personally getting the N930V with Verizon and I'll flash the U firmware later like I did with my S7 edge. You could do the same, unless you're more interested in a potential bootloader unlock.
The 930U is the unlocked American version? When does that even come out? I don't care about the bootloader, I just would prefer the exynos version because it's usually a slight bit better, but I'm not dropping 980$ on it.
The U version of the S7 was still a snapdragon. If you want the exynos, you'll need to get the international version. It's not out so that's probably why it's still pricey. If you want to save some cash just wait for it to be cheaper on Swappa or eBay.
http://m.ebay.com/itm/Samsung-Galax...ack-Silver-Gold-Blue-/201637586849?nav=SEARCH
Only $30 more than carrier pricing on eBay.
cadcamaro said:
Just wait for the N930U. Or shell out the extra $100 for the exynos variant.
I'm personally getting the N930V with Verizon and I'll flash the U firmware later like I did with my S7 edge. You could do the same, unless you're more interested in a potential bootloader unlock.
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How did you flash the U version I thought Verizon has locked bootloaders and you couldn't make modifications ?
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It flashes through Odin. Since it's a stock firmware it flashed over just fine.
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Here's another store selling for even less. I'm not sure if they charge tax though, but either way with any carrier upgrade you're looking at the phone price and tax anyways.
https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1269581-REG/samsung_n930_black_galaxy_note_7_64gb.html
would it be worth it to spend 100$ more to buy the Exynos version? That's what I am wondering too...
are there any downside?
Isn't there more support for Exynos version and more battery saving?
If you're a Flashaholic like me it is definitely worth getting an unlocked Exynos version with its unlocked bootloader.
But the down side is lack of warranty and some of the frequencies that you're carrier uses may not be available on the International version
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If you're a Flashaholic like me it is definitely worth getting an unlocked Exynos version with its unlocked bootloader.
But the down side is lack of warranty and some of the frequencies that you're carrier uses may not be available on the International version
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Thanks! that's what I was thinking! and Exynos version seems to have better battery as well!
As for frequencies - it looks like they are good for most Canadian wireless companies.
Do we know for sure if Exynos N930F will come with an unlocked bootloader? (still waiting to order mine)
And what about warranty? Isn't Samsung supposed to honor warranty no matter where you buy it from on brand new phones just launched for a year since their launch date (it only makes sense and they used to back in Galaxy S2 days - from experience) *sigh*
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Thanks! that's what I was thinking! and Exynos version seems to have better battery as well!
As for frequencies - it looks like they are good for most Canadian wireless companies.
Do we know for sure if Exynos N930F will come with an unlocked bootloader? (still waiting to order mine)
And what about warranty? Isn't Samsung supposed to honor warranty no matter where you buy it from on brand new phones just launched for a year since their launch date (it only makes sense and they used to back in Galaxy S2 days - from experience) *sigh*
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Nope, from what im seeing they wont honor warranty in the US if you buy an international phone. Thats my major hurdle right now. I would really like to get some type of warranty. Even contacted Squaretrade and they said no. So will try upsie.
it's been a few years since I bought international, last phone was s3, what's the current state of international Samsung phones on att? do we still only get 2 compatible bands? I know theres a thing where you have to use the phone for 5 mins in that country with the country Sim card, anything else I should know about? speed and coverage still good? i been out of the game a bit so I'm playing catch up here.
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If you're a Flashaholic like me it is definitely worth getting an unlocked Exynos version with its unlocked bootloader.
But the down side is lack of warranty and some of the frequencies that you're carrier uses may not be available on the International version
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I am in the same boat as you. Being able to flash my phone and play around with it, is my version of a work day stress reliever. Being an owner of a S7E and my old reliable N4, I cant wait for the N7 to be released. I will be replacing my N4 with it so I need to make sure that the Intl version will be unlocked. Will be following the early reports that will soon start trickling in as units arrive to their new owners.
I may be able to help I'm in Thailand.
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naruto.ninjakid said:
Nope, from what im seeing they wont honor warranty in the US if you buy an international phone. Thats my major hurdle right now. I would really like to get some type of warranty. Even contacted Squaretrade and they said no. So will try upsie.
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I bought the N7 from BHP (link you posted earlier) they have it available for pre-order and in the checkout they offered Square Trade for Warrenty - I also used Square Trade when I purchased the S7Edge (international Version) So I don't think it is giong to be a problem for you if you want to use Square Trade or any other major warrenty program like Upsie. Good Luck
Thanks Alot !
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I bought the N7 from BHP (link you posted earlier) they have it available for pre-order and in the checkout they offered Square Trade for Warranty - I also used Square Trade when I purchased the S7Edge (international Version) So I don't think it is going to be a problem for you if you want to use Square Trade or any other major warranty program like Upsie. Good Luck
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This is why I like this community. Thanks for coming back and updating. This was my biggest issue and you have now solved it. knowing I can get a warranty alleviates the what if's for me. I'm paranoid and always insure my devices even though i have never broken one. So I will be ordering from B&H as well. They seem very knowledgeable on unlocked phone issues from the FAQ and they don't charge tax in some states. All Im waiting for now is to see if Root is coming and development support. I'm on T-Mobile by the way so I will not get VoLTE and WiFi-calling but TEKHD said he will work on that in his ROM so I have some hope. Thanks again.
naruto.ninjakid said:
This is why I like this community. Thanks for coming back and updating. This was my biggest issue and you have now solved it. knowing I can get a warranty alleviates the what if's for me. I'm paranoid and always insure my devices even though i have never broken one. So I will be ordering from B&H as well. They seem very knowledgeable on unlocked phone issues from the FAQ and they don't charge tax in some states. All Im waiting for now is to see if Root is coming and development support. I'm on T-Mobile by the way so I will not get VoLTE and WiFi-calling but TEKHD said he will work on that in his ROM so I have some hope. Thanks again.
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I am on ATT and use the G935F right now on ATT and it works great - I don't knwo for sure if the N930 (note 7) will be unlocked but it seems like it probably will be - I htink the chances are high that the bootloader is unlocked and if that turns out to be true, root is not too far away - just need to get it in the hands of a few devs who do that sort of thing - and all should be good. Fingers Crossed...
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I bought the N7 from BHP (link you posted earlier) they have it available for pre-order and in the checkout they offered Square Trade for Warrenty - I also used Square Trade when I purchased the S7Edge (international Version) So I don't think it is giong to be a problem for you if you want to use Square Trade or any other major warrenty program like Upsie. Good Luck
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would you know if the square trade warranty would apply to people living in Canada as well?
cadcamaro said:
Just wait for the N930U. Or shell out the extra $100 for the exynos variant.
I'm personally getting the N930V with Verizon and I'll flash the U firmware later like I did with my S7 edge. You could do the same, unless you're more interested in a potential bootloader unlock.
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Interesting. What advantages does the U firmware have over the stock Verizon firmware, or are you just getting rid of all the Verizon bloat? Do you lose wifi calling and Samsung pay?
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Interesting. What advantages does the U firmware have over the stock Verizon firmware, or are you just getting rid of all the Verizon bloat? Do you lose wifi calling and Samsung pay?
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You lose all bloatware and Verizon apps. It essentially turns the phone into a stock Samsung expensive.
You will lose any carrier extras like wifi calling VOLTE and Verizon's own vvm service. For some reason they only allow you to install their voicemail apps on their phones. Samsung pay still works though, and to get around the voicemail issue I just use Google voice as a forwarding number if I don't answer. It's honestly better than any carrier voicemail service I've used as there's no extra charges and you get notifications anywhere.
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You lose all bloatware and Verizon apps. It essentially turns the phone into a stock Samsung expensive.
You will lose any carrier extras like wifi calling VOLTE and Verizon's own vvm service. For some reason they only allow you to install their voicemail apps on their phones. Samsung pay still works though, and to get around the voicemail issue I just use Google voice as a forwarding number if I don't answer. It's honestly better than any carrier voicemail service I've used as there's no extra charges and you get notifications anywhere.
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Yeah I use Google voice as well. Great info thanks
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Can someone help in this arena would be good to know the difference. Sammy is giving $600 trade-in on my Note 9 if I go to unlocked or I can get the same with Bestbuy carrier locked to ATT. Why I would like to go Samsung route is that it would give me time to move all my 2FA.
So if anyone has a list of carrier difference and issues pleas let me know
buffalosolja42 said:
Can someone help in this arena would be good to know the difference. Sammy is giving $600 trade-in on my Note 9 if I go to unlocked or I can get the same with Bestbuy carrier locked to ATT. Why I would like to go Samsung route is that it would give me time to move all my 2FA.
So if anyone has a list of carrier difference and issues pleas let me know
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They are the same phones and can run the same firmware.
I would go with whatever the best deal you can get.
I thought things like video calling and wifi phone calls don't work. Hmm well that's good news then.
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buffalosolja42 said:
I thought things like video calling and wifi phone calls don't work. Hmm well that's good news then.
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Who is your carrier?
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buffalosolja42 said:
Can someone help in this arena would be good to know the difference. Sammy is giving $600 trade-in on my Note 9 if I go to unlocked or I can get the same with Bestbuy carrier locked to ATT. Why I would like to go Samsung route is that it would give me time to move all my 2FA.
So if anyone has a list of carrier difference and issues pleas let me know
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You can actually just go research any of this in the Galaxy S8, Note 8, Galaxy S9, Note 9, or Galaxy S10 forums. They all work the same way.
Same hardware across each of the variants, but the software and the carrier will determine which features work. If you're on ATT and you want WiFi calling and VoLTE, you'll need to buy an ATT device. They check your IMEI and if it isn't on their whitelist, those features won't work, even if you flash the ATT firmware.
All the other carriers you can just flash their carrier firmware.
T-Mobile is the easiest. The only thing that won't work on TMO with unlocked firmware is video calling and RCS texting. WiFi calling and VoLTE work right out of the box.
That is what i figured searched the forums a bit but needed something concise appreciate the info!!
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Who is your carrier?
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You can actually just go research any of this in the Galaxy S8, Note 8, Galaxy S9, Note 9, or Galaxy S10 forums. They all work the same way.
Same hardware across each of the variants, but the software and the carrier will determine which features work. If you're on ATT and you want WiFi calling and VoLTE, you'll need to buy an ATT device. They check your IMEI and if it isn't on their whitelist, those features won't work, even if you flash the ATT firmware.
All the other carriers you can just flash their carrier firmware.
T-Mobile is the easiest. The only thing that won't work on TMO with unlocked firmware is video calling and RCS texting. WiFi calling and VoLTE work right out of the box.
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I am using ATT prepaid and I bought the S10 plus last year. I flashed it with the ATT firmware and I got wifi calling working. I plan to do the same for my Note 10 plus.
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I am using ATT prepaid and I bought the S10 plus last year. I flashed it with the ATT firmware and I got wifi calling working. I plan to do the same for my Note 10 plus.
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Cool! Someone just said that doesn't work on ATT anymore, because they now strictly check your IMEI. I use TMO so I didn't do anymore research, just figured ATT changed their system.
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Cool! Someone just said that doesn't work on ATT anymore, because they now strictly check your IMEI. I use TMO so I didn't do anymore research, just figured ATT changed their system.
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I have been using it just fine. I will do it on my Note 10 plus and report back my result.
Well there you go, OP. I guess flashing ATT firmware to your unlocked device still works to activate carrier features. Everything else I said is still accurate.
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Cool! Someone just said that doesn't work on ATT anymore, because they now strictly check your IMEI. I use TMO so I didn't do anymore research, just figured ATT changed their system.
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So right now ATT wifi calling doesn't work with Note 10 Plus but it does work for S10 Plus (and previous models). I am pretty sure this is because the Note 10 is still very new and their system needs some update. I will wait a couple weeks and see what happens.
I called ATT. They told me Note 10 is not on their list yet.
Wow thanks so everything works when flashing the firmware that's great. My wife and I use thr video calling this is great news.
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Wow thanks so everything works when flashing the firmware that's great. My wife and I use thr video calling this is great news.
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thats the first time I heard of anyone actually using it!
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thats the first time I heard of anyone actually using it!
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Work in IT daily and easier for wife as it pops up in call.
I would use it, but I use a Google Voice number as my primary number. We used to do Hangouts video calls all the time, but not so much anymore. I guess the romance is dead.
If you flash carrier firmware to the unlocked phone, don't you basically just end up with a carrier phone? If the answer is yes, then what's the point of buying the unlocked phone?
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If you flash carrier firmware to the unlocked phone, don't you basically just end up with a carrier phone? If the answer is yes, then what's the point of buying the unlocked phone?
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I have a pre-order deal from Samsung that is between 6-700 can't remember at the moment.
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I always use unlocked devices whether it be Samsung unlocked or Google pixels unlocked but all work like a charm on verizon and get basically free unchecked hotspot
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So right now ATT wifi calling doesn't work with Note 10 Plus but it does work for S10 Plus (and previous models). I am pretty sure this is because the Note 10 is still very new and their system needs some update. I will wait a couple weeks and see what happens.
I called ATT. They told me Note 10 is not on their list yet.
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Wow thanks so everything works when flashing the firmware that's great. My wife and I use thr video calling this is great news.
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So interestingly, there's another thread and people who are flashing ATT firmware to the unlocked version can no longer get WFC to work. They said it works for a few minutes if they give ATT an old IMEI number, but the system will automatically update to the new IMEI and WFC will no longer work. Read page four of the thread to see what I'm talking about.
https://forum.xda-developers.com/galaxy-note-10+/how-to/unlocked-samsung-att-tmo-t3956698
Corruption Inc said:
If you flash carrier firmware to the unlocked phone, don't you basically just end up with a carrier phone? If the answer is yes, then what's the point of buying the unlocked phone?
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There's a few reasons:
1. This year the Note 9 is worth $600 towards an unlocked model, but only $300 towards carrier models.
2. The U1 models generally maintain their value a little better than the carrier branded models. Even though it's the same exact device, that little "1" makes a difference for some reason.
3. It's factory unlocked. T-Mo, Sprint, ATT, and now Verizon all come carrier locked. Verizon stays locked for 60 days then automatically unlocks. T-Mo you have to pay it off, or pay cash up front, then wait 40 days with it active on your account before it can be unlocked. ATT again has to be paid off or paid in full up front and then you have to request an unkock and wait for the code. I believe Sprint automatically unlocks it once it's paid off.
4. I've heard conflicting stories, but at least in the past, Sprint was weird about their BYOD program. You could only bring devices with whitelisted IMEIs. That was Sprint devices and factory unlocked devices. If you just got your ATT Galaxy S8+ unlocked and brought it to Sprint, it wouldn't activate, even though it was the same exact device hardwarewise. The IMEI wasn't in their database. So the Unlocked version is more flexible.
5. That ugly ATT box. For some reason ATT will often take the phone out of the nice Samsung box and throw it in a cheap ATT box. See the USA Pre-order thread on here. There's already people complaining about that box. And I'm a packaging guy.
So you might as well get the device that's cheaper up front and holds it's value the best and is the most flexible carrier wise. If you want carrier features and firmware, you can still have them, and no worries ever about a SIM lock. Well except with ATT apparently. If you need ATT WiFi calling and VoLTE, you may be stuck getting the ATT model, from what I'm reading.
Now that said, if you don't have a trade in device, and your carrier is offering a better deal on their model...then by all means get that one.
Resurrecting and old thread rather than starting a new one.
I'm on T-Mobile and looking at either an unlocked Note 10+ which is $200 off right now from Samsung and Amazon or the Note 10+ 5G from T-Mobile. I know this is a bit of an apples to oranges thing, but what I'm wondering about is data roaming. I've heard, but have not been able to confirm is that an unlocked model will not data roam on partner networks, while a T-Mobile version will data roam. I do know that my current phone, an unlocked Essential PH-1 does not data roam, but is this true for all factory unlocked vs. carrier phones? Or at least T-Mobile phones?
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Resurrecting and old thread rather than starting a new one.
I'm on T-Mobile and looking at either an unlocked Note 10+ which is $200 off right now from Samsung and Amazon or the Note 10+ 5G from T-Mobile. I know this is a bit of an apples to oranges thing, but what I'm wondering about is data roaming. I've heard, but have not been able to confirm is that an unlocked model will not data roam on partner networks, while a T-Mobile version will data roam. I do know that my current phone, an unlocked Essential PH-1 does not data roam, but is this true for all factory unlocked vs. carrier phones? Or at least T-Mobile phones?
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T-Mobile customer here. I had an unlocked S7 Edge that would roam just fine on partner networks, in the US and internationally. Haven't had the opportunity to test roaming yet with my brand new unlocked Note 10+ but I suspect my results would be the same as with my S7 Edge.