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The hardware and design of this phone are top notch - most features work really well except anything in regards to multi-tasking. I am very disappointed that its missing basic functionality I thought should be pretty standard these days especially on a flagship device. Case in point - Usa today app, its always been really nice while traveling since I can sync it before flying and read all the articles while in-flight on my iPhone during airplane mode, with the One X any open browser page or related app becomes a useless blank page when airplane mode is switched on. Heck even the picture I had open in the gallery section closed and took me back to the main gallery (picture) folder and of course this does not need an internet connection.
It looks like Sense 4.0 has eliminated multi-tasking, as much as I like the device otherwise I just cant give up so much basic functionality that I have been enjoying for years on other phones... Will probably have to return and go back to my iphone 4 for now.. Bummer -
It does not appear that HTC recognizes this short-coming as a problem and considers this normal functionality so I cant just wait for an update/fix...
Anyone else feel this way ?
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The hardware and design of this phone are top notch - most features work really well except anything in regards to multi-tasking. I am very disappointed that its missing basic functionality I thought should be pretty standard these days especially on a flagship device. Case in point - Usa today app, its always been really nice while traveling since I can sync it before flying and read all the articles while in-flight on my iPhone during airplane mode, with the One X any open browser page or related app becomes a useless blank page when airplane mode is switched on. Heck even the picture I had open in the gallery section closed and took me back to the main gallery (picture) folder and of course this does not need an internet connection.
It looks like Sense 4.0 has eliminated multi-tasking, as much as I like the device otherwise I just cant give up so much basic functionality that I have been enjoying for years on other phones... Will probably have to return and go back to my iphone 4 for now.. Bummer -
It does not appear that HTC recognizes this short-coming as a problem and considers this normal functionality so I cant just wait for an update/fix...
Anyone else feel this way ?
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multitasking is a bit of a joke on this phone. I hope HTC addresses this in a future update.
sent from my HTC One X
Since Sense + OS alone consume most of the ram (> 80%) on the device, I suppose integrated Android task killer is configured in some paranoid mode and is killing backgroups apps like crazy.
If this bothers you, I would install one of senseless ROMs on your HD2 and be happy Possibly there is also a way to make task killer more civilized in custom Sense ROMs.
Sadly, Sense 4.0 is quit bloated and One-X should have at least 1.5GB of RAM to begin with.
Yup, I agree, multitasking is really bad... All my dolphin browser pages reload if I click the home button and try to go back.
Sent from my HTC One X on Leedroid's ROM v5.1.0.
It will addressed with uopdates after all you bought a quad cote for multi tasking, some of xda chefs are communicating with HTC dev and we reported the very aggressive memfree values, also if you are rooted you can control them with supercharger script
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Case in point - Usa today app, its always been really nice while traveling since I can sync it before flying and read all the articles while in-flight on my iPhone during airplane mode, with the One X any open browser page or related app becomes a useless blank page when airplane mode is switched on.
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When I change the wireless state on my i9100 the same thing happens so it's Android, not HTC or the One X. Even if the USA Today home page was retained clicking on any of the stories would result in an error because there's no wireless connection available. Get an app like Pocket that allows you to save articles from across the web for offline reading. The CNN app also gives you the option to save stories offline.
The multitasking on this phone sucks period. There is not justification. I should not be here looking for an answer. XDA devs should be enhancing the phone not trying to fix basic functionality. I hope HTC solves this problem before my trail period.
mgfjd said:
The multitasking on this phone sucks period. There is not justification. I should not be here looking for an answer. XDA devs should be enhancing the phone not trying to fix basic functionality. I hope HTC solves this problem before my trail period.
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Do any of you understand how multitasking in Android even works? Even if a task is killed by the OS, apps developed that follow the published standard will re-launch in their last state in less than a second. And the better XDA devs should know that. So while HTC's memory management may be aggressive, there's more to it if individual apps aren't behaving correctly.
http://android-developers.blogspot.com/2010/04/multitasking-android-way.html
Srgsx said:
The hardware and design of this phone are top notch - most features work really well except anything in regards to multi-tasking. I am very disappointed that its missing basic functionality I thought should be pretty standard these days especially on a flagship device. Case in point - Usa today app, its always been really nice while traveling since I can sync it before flying and read all the articles while in-flight on my iPhone during airplane mode, with the One X any open browser page or related app becomes a useless blank page when airplane mode is switched on. Heck even the picture I had open in the gallery section closed and took me back to the main gallery (picture) folder and of course this does not need an internet connection.
It looks like Sense 4.0 has eliminated multi-tasking, as much as I like the device otherwise I just cant give up so much basic functionality that I have been enjoying for years on other phones... Will probably have to return and go back to my iphone 4 for now.. Bummer -
It does not appear that HTC recognizes this short-coming as a problem and considers this normal functionality so I cant just wait for an update/fix...
Anyone else feel this way ?
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If you're not happy w it, return it ASAP. Why do you have to care about what others think? It's your money, your experience.
Case closed. Meetings adjourned lol
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If you're not happy w it, return it ASAP. Why do you have to care about what others think? It's your money, your experience.
Case closed. Meetings adjourned lol
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Its called a forum, in which I can and will reach out to others to get feedback on what I consider a situation with a very flawed segment of Sense which is making me contemplate returning an otherwise very nice device.
Look Apple has been doing this puesdo multi-tasking, app-pausing just fine since 4.0 what the heck is HTC thinking ? Browser tabs store just fine for days WITHOUT an internet connection. I geuss I am just expecting too much.
Sorry to interupt move along nothing to see here - lol
If you really want to pile-on, head over here. The XL'rs are far more up in arms than the X'rs.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1646409
I've asked the same questions of people that say the way multitasking is implemented is a real hardship but no one's answered. What's the harm? Of "X" hours a day using the phone, what percentage of your time is actually spent active in two (or more) apps simultaneously? And with a powerful processor it shouldn't matter whether a background app is in state or has to be restarted based on the way Android works (see below). I'm not trying to pick a fight I'm trying to understand the depth of the issue.
And since no one's read the article I linked to, here's the cruxt...
Once Android determines that it needs to remove a process, it does this brutally, simply force-killing it. The kernel can then immediately reclaim all resources needed by the process, without relying on that application being well written and responsive to a polite request to exit. Allowing the kernel to immediately reclaim application resources makes it a lot easier to avoid serious out of memory situations.
If a user later returns to an application that's been killed, Android needs a way to re-launch it in the same state as it was last seen, to preserve the "all applications are running all of the time" experience. This is done by keeping track of the parts of the application the user is aware of (the Activities), and re-starting them with information about the last state they were seen in. This last state is generated each time the user leaves that part of the application, not when it is killed, so that the kernel can later freely kill it without depending on the application to respond correctly at that point.
And based on this, the SGS3's handling memory managment just like the One X so there don't appear to be a lot of options for those with special multitasking needs.
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The GS3 has the same multitasking "issue" as the One X. I have tested it. That's all the more reason why I don't expect HTC to fix it in an update. I believe it's how the manufacturers intend it to work, for better or worse.
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Try to install Apex launcher free version and set it as default launcher. Reboot and see is situation get better. If works for you then it is sense problem.
It works like a charm on my X. No any problem for multitask.And it is so smooth.
Of course if you do want sense launcher then have to live with issue. But no harm to try Apex to see at least multitask can wrok or not
BarryH_GEG everything looks nice when you write it down like that but i remember SGS did better multitasking then my new double ram HTC One X, on daily basis it kills everything when i9000 never killed my GG chatting app or music player - both just should be ON all the time i was using them thats only 2 apps to handle
At a co-workers urging I installed Go-launcher today in hopes of a quick fix. yeah nothing, still re-renders everything fricken thing it touches.
Should I stil try Apex ?
Apex so far is best launcher for one X. I used it for 1 month. If it is not work for you I will post another solution which may help.
Apex- ok you might be on to something !
Can still hold app data while in airplane mode...
Srgsx said:
the One X any open browser page or related app becomes a useless blank page when airplane mode is switched on.
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If your rooted then flash Jan's Advance Notification toggle to enable Airplane Mode it will retain the webpage because you're not going into a different app.
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At a co-workers urging I installed Go-launcher today in hopes of a quick fix. yeah nothing, still re-renders everything fricken thing it touches.
Should I stil try Apex ?
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I dont think this is caused by sense taking up too much resources. Seems to be an ics inherent thing. The sgs3 was just reported to behave the same way.
Oh yes i tried the ipad3 the other day. The display was perfect but what surprises me is it multitasks amazingly well. I can have 5 - 6 apps open including youtube and browser with multiple tabs and it switches between them smoothly without once quiting the browser. Really sad to see android/ ics regressed to this state that ios significantly beat it.
if it is ics problem why I can use mutlitask on my one X?
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BarryH_GEG everything looks nice when you write it down like that but i remember SGS did better multitasking then my new double ram HTC One X, on daily basis it kills everything when i9000 never killed my GG chatting app or music player - both just should be ON all the time i was using them thats only 2 apps to handle
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I keep asking the question "what does it mean?" and everyone keeps replying "it shouldn't be this way." If a doctor says "there’s something wrong with your liver," there's a big difference between hepatitis A and stage 3 cancer. Other than the perceived loss of something you had how does the way that the One X handles multitasking affect what you do every day? And how often is it a problem?
I had a i9100 and in practical use I don't notice a difference. The exception being the browser that stupidly reloads itself every time it restarts but it does that regardless of whether launched from recent apps or directly from the app drawer or a shortcut.
And if this is true it doesn't really matter what a Desire, HD2, or SGS did.
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The GS3 has the same multitasking "issue" as the One X. I have tested it. That's all the more reason why I don't expect HTC to fix it in an update. I believe it's how the manufacturers intend it to work, for better or worse.
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Hi guys, I really respect and admire your work! I am becoming everyday more an android fan and xda has become my bible! Unfortunately, I don't know too much about development as I'm ending my degree in Zoology (Android is more like a hobby but I don't have much time now to sit and learn the basics about programming, scripts, development, etc since I have to end my studies first).
After flashing different ROMs as a sport, I came to an Idea of using the "Quick Glance" feature, and I realized it was a nice feature (not too important, since one can touch the power or home key and see the screen) but it has too few information for our power machines. I know it's just a "quick glance", but I wanted to know if it is possible to tweak the screen and add more info like icons of:
- Gmail/email app
- Whatsapp
- Facebook Messenger
- Hangouts
I think it would be even cooler to have the option of choosing which apps could appear there.
I've tried many different custom ROMs (based on TW) and I never found this option. Maybe it's too difficult and it's not worth the job, but I guess it can be made, maybe mixing something related with TeslaUnread and the QuickGlance screen. I read many think it's just a useless gimmick (I use almost always the home button too) so maybe there's a way to set this "quick glance" screen as lockscreen?
If any dev from a ROM team wants to use this for their next ROM I lend him all the credits for the idea, no problem with that!
Sorry if anybody posted this before (I searched before and couldn't find!) and if it's not in the right place! I read a lot but don't post too much
Thanks in advance!
Miklos
I don't like phones that have anything on top of android, like Touchwiz for Samsung phones or HTC Sense on HTC phones. I noticed the LG G3 also has something on top of Android, so can that be removed and/or have regular Android installed on it?
U need a nexus
When we get aosp for it ya. As of right now, no.
Sent from my LG-D851 using XDA Free mobile app
The G3 UI is barely different than the Nexus UI.
There may be a possibility AOSP will be ported in because the bootloader is unlocked.
Remember though, aosp doesn't have anything built in to utilize the IR blaster or knock on/off and the like. So, unless you can find 3rd party apps that take care of that, you'll lose out on built in features of the G3.
partylikeaninjastar said:
The G3 UI is barely different than the Nexus UI.
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Are you blind?
gotzaDroid said:
Remember though, aosp doesn't have anything built in to utilize the IR blaster or knock on/off and the like. So, unless you can find 3rd party apps that take care of that, you'll lose out on built in features of the G3.
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Knock on can be added at the kernel level. IR Blaster support is native in KitKat.
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The G3 UI is barely different than the Nexus UI.
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Huh? LG Home Launcher is completely different than stock Android.
Installing Google Now Launcher is the easiest way to run stockish setup. I'm sure there are tons of vanilla themes for all the popular launchers as well if aesthetics are what you're going for
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Knock on can be added at the kernel level. IR Blaster support is native in KitKat.
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Have you noticed that kernel support for knock-on always drained battery on other devices? The same will apply to the G3. Use of the low-power cores that the G3 uses for knockon is closed source and the source is only released to OEMs. Technically, all snap 800+ devices have the low power cores, but it's up to the OEM to enable them.
Kernel hacks to enable knockon keep the real cores awake while the phone is off, which is what causes the battery drain.
Not to mention, any third-party IR tool will never be nearly as good as the stock LG one.
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Are you blind?
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Are you?
xlxcrossing said:
Huh? LG Home Launcher is completely different than stock Android.
Installing Google Now Launcher is the easiest way to run stockish setup. I'm sure there are tons of vanilla themes for all the popular launchers as well if aesthetics are what you're going for
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Here are the differences between a stock ROM vs skinned:
Launcher - most people run alternative launchers anyway so this is a moot point. And the Google Now Launcher is overrated anyway.
Native Dialer/Contacts app - not a huge deal.
Settings menu - besides the color, the only thing really different about LG settings is that it defaults to tabbed view which works a lot better at getting you to the settings you want quickly without having to scroll through a long list. If you like having to scroll through every single setting you don't need at the moment, however, you can switch to list view.
Keyboard - personal preference. I've been using SwiftKey since Gingerbread and it's my opinion that it's leagues better than the Google keyboard. I also think the LG keyboard is a step above Google's.
Native email and SMS apps - I've only ever used Gmail so I can't comment on LG's email vs Google's. We for the a messaging app, I'm pretty sure that Hangouts finally replaced it as the default (which I've been using since my Nexus 4).
Lock screen - I prefer LG's with or without knock code. Native shortcuts on the lock screen beats Google's plain lockscreen with only a camera shortcut.
Native camera/gallery - Google camera is available in the Play Store and I'm pretty sure Google got rid of the gallery app in favor of Google+ Photos. I don't see anything that makes the Google Camera better unless you take a lot of photo spheres.
Quick settings - first of all, stock Google quick settings are nearly useless since they're shortcuts, not toggles, and you can't change them. Quick settings is one of the biggest reasons to have a custom ROM on a Nexus phone. I like the style of LG quick settings because it's similar to CM's.
Did I miss anything?
Yeah, so I like I said, LG isn't that far from stock. It adds a ton of useful features over the bare bones that is stock while not differing too much in appearance. Besides, most of your time spent on your phone is in various apps that are all identical regardless of which device you're on.
The fact that you could write such a long post on the subject of them being so alike sorta disproves the idea that there's little to no difference between them. Of course Android features remain unchanged across different builds. Technically you could say any OEM skin over Android is "just like" stock based on this argument. It is in the sense that that they all add to the aesthetic of Android, but in essence there's basically stock android, vanilla, GPE, what have you and, well.....everything else.
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The fact that you could write such a long post on the subject of them being so alike sorta disproves the idea that there's little to no difference between them. Of course Android features remain unchanged across different builds. Technically you could say any OEM skin over Android is "just like" stock based on this argument. It is in the sense that that they all add to the aesthetic of Android, but in essence there's basically stock android, vanilla, GPE, what have you and, well.....everything else.
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Supporting my stance with examples doesn't disapprove anything.
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Supporting my stance with examples doesn't disapprove anything.
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Support your point you did not. Do a write up on your favorite apps and features you did. I'm glad you like your LG software, not the issue at hand though. The OP was asking about vanilla android and you essentially told them "why there's no difference". They are in search for something specific not to be swayed into liking what they currently have.
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Support your point you did not. Do a write up on your favorite apps and features you did. I'm glad you like your LG software, not the issue at hand though. The OP was asking about vanilla android and you essentially told them "why there's no difference". They are in search for something specific not to be swayed into liking what they currently have.
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I didn't do a write up of my favorite feature. I compared what little differences there are stock vs LG, backing up my claim that "LG isn't that far off from stock." I never claimed there was no difference — I said there is very little. And, what little differences there are, are minor since more time is spent in apps and system apps that define stock vs non are often replaced. I could switch to my Nexus 5 or 7 right now, continue this discussion or go back to what I was doing and the experience would be nearly identical (the not identical part being my screen's appearance when I press my recent apps button after I hit reply here).
So I'll continue to say, the LG UI isn't all that different from stock. Unless all you do is make calls and change settings. In which case, it's completely different.
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Have you noticed that kernel support for knock-on always drained battery on other devices? The same will apply to the G3. Use of the low-power cores that the G3 uses for knockon is closed source and the source is only released to OEMs. Technically, all snap 800+ devices have the low power cores, but it's up to the OEM to enable them.
Kernel hacks to enable knockon keep the real cores awake while the phone is off, which is what causes the battery drain.
Not to mention, any third-party IR tool will never be nearly as good as the stock LG one.
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No, no it does not. Kernel enabled wakeup only has a noticeable effect on battery on the Nexus 5 for the reasons you state, because the cores do not sleep. On every other phone the cores can sleep and battery drain is negligible. Smart IR is 100x better than Quick Remote, Quick Remote sucks to be honest.
partylikeaninjastar said:
Are you?
Here are the differences between a stock ROM vs skinned:
Launcher - most people run alternative launchers anyway so this is a moot point. And the Google Now Launcher is overrated anyway.
Native Dialer/Contacts app - not a huge deal.
Settings menu - besides the color, the only thing really different about LG settings is that it defaults to tabbed view which works a lot better at getting you to the settings you want quickly without having to scroll through a long list. If you like having to scroll through every single setting you don't need at the moment, however, you can switch to list view.
Keyboard - personal preference. I've been using SwiftKey since Gingerbread and it's my opinion that it's leagues better than the Google keyboard. I also think the LG keyboard is a step above Google's.
Native email and SMS apps - I've only ever used Gmail so I can't comment on LG's email vs Google's. We for the a messaging app, I'm pretty sure that Hangouts finally replaced it as the default (which I've been using since my Nexus 4).
Lock screen - I prefer LG's with or without knock code. Native shortcuts on the lock screen beats Google's plain lockscreen with only a camera shortcut.
Native camera/gallery - Google camera is available in the Play Store and I'm pretty sure Google got rid of the gallery app in favor of Google+ Photos. I don't see anything that makes the Google Camera better unless you take a lot of photo spheres.
Quick settings - first of all, stock Google quick settings are nearly useless since they're shortcuts, not toggles, and you can't change them. Quick settings is one of the biggest reasons to have a custom ROM on a Nexus phone. I like the style of LG quick settings because it's similar to CM's.
Did I miss anything?
Yeah, so I like I said, LG isn't that far from stock. It adds a ton of useful features over the bare bones that is stock while not differing too much in appearance. Besides, most of your time spent on your phone is in various apps that are all identical regardless of which device you're on.
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Are you delusional? Look at the two side by side and tell me they look similar.
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partylikeaninjastar said:
I didn't do a write up of my favorite feature. I compared what little differences there are stock vs LG, backing up my claim that "LG isn't that far off from stock." I never claimed there was no difference — I said there is very little. And, what little differences there are, are minor since more time is spent in apps and system apps that define stock vs non are often replaced. I could switch to my Nexus 5 or 7 right now, continue this discussion or go back to what I was doing and the experience would be nearly identical (the not identical part being my screen's appearance when I press my recent apps button after I hit reply here).
So I'll continue to say, the LG UI isn't all that different from stock. Unless all you do is make calls and change settings. In which case, it's completely different.
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Hey that's weird, the messaging app looks nothing like the AOSP app. You know what else looks different? Gallery, Browser, everything about the settings, the status bar does NOT conform to having a quick settings panel separate from notifications, the dialer has tabs but looks completely different, the keyboard is different, the stock email app is different, hell the lock screen is different. Even the recent panel is nothing like stock, or the initial button layout. These are all things that OEMs change and it is 100% false to call Optmius UI close to stock android with so much of the system UI changed. Like someone said, every OEM skin is close to stock android according to your logic.
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Are you delusional? Look at the two side by side and tell me they look similar.
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Hey that's weird, the messaging app looks nothing like the AOSP app. You know what else looks different? Gallery, Browser, everything about the settings, the status bar does NOT conform to having a quick settings panel separate from notifications, the dialer has tabs but looks completely different, the keyboard is different, the stock email app is different, hell the lock screen is different. Even the recent panel is nothing like stock, or the initial button layout. These are all things that OEMs change and it is 100% false to call Optmius UI close to stock android with so much of the system UI changed. Like someone said, every OEM skin is close to stock android according to your logic.
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If I put my Nexus 5, Nexus 7, and G3 side by side, and press home, they would all look exactly the same. If I start using all three exactly how I normally use them, they'll still look exactly the same. Because I use the same apps on all of them. Through regular use, the only differences are the lock screen when I turn my screen on, the quick settings when I pull down the notification tray, and how recent apps are presented when pressing the recent app button. In normal use, there are hardly any differences. I use my phone. I use apps.
And did you even bother to read anything of what I posted? I mentioned the messaging app. I also mentioned how Google is moving away from it in their Nexus devices (everyone's obsession) and having Hangouts as the default. I couldn't even begin to tell you what the stock SMS app looks like on the G3 since I only use Hangouts.
I also mentioned the Gallery app and how that's another thing Google is moving away from in their Nexus devices in favor of Photos integration in Google+.
Browser, admittedly, I did neglect to mention. I only use Chrome so it didn't occur to me. I did ask if I missed anything, though, so don't get your panties in a bunch.
I also compared and contrasted the Settings (seriously, go back up and actually READ my post), as well as Quick Settings, Dialer, email app, keyboard, lock screen, and the recent panel. Look, if you're going to sit here and try to have an argument with me, at least look at what I posted. You're the kind of person who reads a news headline and instantly jumps to conclusions.
Let me repeat my original statement: the LG UI isn't that different from stock Android.
I know reading comprehension isn't your strong point, but that simple lone acknowledges that there are differences between the two. It's not claiming they are equal. It's simply stating that they are not vastly different. Yes, they are different. I'm very aware of that, coming from three Nexus devices. I'm saying they are not that different and that the differences are even less when you're using your phone.
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If I put my Nexus 5, Nexus 7, and G3 side by side, and press home, they would all look exactly the same. If I start using all three exactly how I normally use them, they'll still look exactly the same. Because I use the same apps on all of them. Through regular use, the only differences are the lock screen when I turn my screen on, the quick settings when I pull down the notification tray, and how recent apps are presented when pressing the recent app button. In normal use, there are hardly any differences. I use my phone. I use apps.
And did you even bother to read anything of what I posted? I mentioned the messaging app. I also mentioned how Google is moving away from it in their Nexus devices (everyone's obsession) and having Hangouts as the default. I couldn't even begin to tell you what the stock SMS app looks like on the G3 since I only use Hangouts.
I also mentioned the Gallery app and how that's another thing Google is moving away from in their Nexus devices in favor of Photos integration in Google+.
Browser, admittedly, I did neglect to mention. I only use Chrome so it didn't occur to me. I did ask if I missed anything, though, so don't get your panties in a bunch.
I also compared and contrasted the Settings (seriously, go back up and actually READ my post), as well as Quick Settings, Dialer, email app, keyboard, lock screen, and the recent panel. Look, if you're going to sit here and try to have an argument with me, at least look at what I posted. You're the kind of person who reads a news headline and instantly jumps to conclusions.
Let me repeat my original statement: the LG UI isn't that different from stock Android.
I know reading comprehension isn't your strong point, but that simple lone acknowledges that there are differences between the two. It's not claiming they are equal. It's simply stating that they are not vastly different. Yes, they are different. I'm very aware of that, coming from three Nexus devices. I'm saying they are not that different and that the differences are even less when you're using your phone.
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It's nice how you immediately jump to assumptions and insults, shows how big of a person you are. No I did not bother to read your full post because your argument is fundamentally flawed. You just admitted in your post that you use the same apps on both phones and don't even know what the G3 messaging app looks like. Take a look at Optimus UI and its versions of the AOSP counterparts and tell me they are not that different. It is obvious even looking at the default home launchers they are vastly different. It's also obvious if you are using the same replacement apps on both they will look the same, that's not the point. If you use the same replacement apps on an HTC with Sense or a Samsung with Touchwiz of course you will have the same experience.
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It's nice how you immediately jump to assumptions and insults, shows how big of a person you are. No I did not bother to read your full post because your argument is fundamentally flawed. You just admitted in your post that you use the same apps on both phones and don't even know what the G3 messaging app looks like. Take a look at Optimus UI and its versions of the AOSP counterparts and tell me they are not that different. It is obvious even looking at the default home launchers they are vastly different. It's also obvious if you are using the same replacement apps on both they will look the same, that's not the point. If you use the same replacement apps on an HTC with Sense or a Samsung with Touchwiz of course you will have the same experience.
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I'm jumping to assumptions because your replies only demonstrate that you saw that you had a disagreement with me and didn't bother read past that. Which you confirm. We're done. If you can't bother to even read what I have to say before, then I can't be bothered to continue to have this one sided discussion. Go about your day.
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I'm jumping to assumptions because your replies only demonstrate that you saw that you had a disagreement with me and didn't bother read past that. Which you confirm. We're done. If you can't bother to even read what I have to say before, then I can't be bothered to continue to have this one sided discussion. Go about your day.
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Excellent copout.
johnael7 said:
I don't like phones that have anything on top of android, like Touchwiz for Samsung phones or HTC Sense on HTC phones. I noticed the LG G3 also has something on top of Android, so can that be removed and/or have regular Android installed on it?
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Eventually we'll have aosp, and alot of LG features wont work, some people will get working but most will not.
And to be honest the UI isnt ugly in anyway its nice and i can live with it along with all the features it presents, should try to like it since we wont have AOSP for whileeeeeeeeeeeeeee
I've always been a lover of Android in the regards of how customizable it is. I've released a few custom roms in my time, mostly for the Galaxy S5 since the battery life on it was kind of honestly terrible when it came out. My roms were all based on Android 4.4.2 as 5.0 just seemed to kill a lot of my battery saving techniques. I figured I'd make a small post about my favorite ways to save on battery.
By the way, sorry if this is an incorrect section. Feel free to move it if needed. Been awhile since I've been on here...
Simple Methods
These methods don't take any special 3rd party app installs or file tweaks. These are simple adjustments you can make in your Settings application right on your device!
If you aren't using your GPS/Bluetooth/Wifi, Turn it off!
A lot of people just leave these things running constantly even when they aren't needed. I look at my fathers S3 and always cry a little inside because EVERYTHING is turned on. The reason its bad to leave these on even when not being used is because Wifi and GPS scan for a connection/location every 180 seconds (depending on phone model). This KILLS battery life so much. It takes a lot to power that little gps, and honestly even more to power that scan for Wifi to connect to. If you're feeling gutsy, you can even turn off your Data connection, but you'll still get text messages and such. Just can't browse facebook.
Haptic Feedback
You know, when you touch your screen and it vibrates. Doesn't seem like much but think about how much you use your phone. How many text messages are you typing? Facebook posts? Twitter posts? Your phone is basically constantly vibrating as you tap tap tap away at that little virtual on screen keyboard. Can we go back to hardware keyboards please?
Screen Wallpaper
This is a biggy, especially on high end phones. That HD screen takes a lot of power, but most of these screens on our phones like the Nexus, Galaxy, and high end LG's all have high end AMOLED screens. These screens work in a really cool way honestly. The darker the color on your screen being displayed, the less power the screen needs to actually show that color. White takes the most power, so if you have a brightly colored wallpaper and are wondering why your phone is dying quickly, this is definitely contributing. I always personally use a textured black background. 100% black (#000000 for you nerds out there) uses literally no power to display. The pixels actually turn off to display that color. The more 100% black in your background, the less battery power you use to display that background.
Screen Timeout Timer
Not using your phone? Turn off the screen. That easy. My timer is set to 30 seconds. I don't have a pass code on my phone because frankly, I don't care if someone gets into it. There's nothing weird on my phone that I know of. This is just one of those simple things that generally slip the mind of some people.
Fancy Features
Do you really need Multi-Window or that fancy Toolbox setting turned on? Just use your multi-tasking and switch back and forth. I use multi-window rarely. It feels like a gimmick to me personally.
Themes and Design
This harbors back to what I said about the whole "the darker the better" above with wallpapers. Using Material Design on your Android 4.4 or 5.0 will save on life because the colors are darker over all for almost everything. Anything white is going to use more power... Sound familiar? Alright, racist jokes aside, this is the truth. More power to display brighter colors. If you have the option, change the theme. A lot of apps have a built in theme changer. Things like Custom Launchers, GO SMS, Textra and many more have the customize ability to set those bright colors at bay.
Multi-Tasking, can you live without it?
This is a BIG saver on your battery, but also one you might realize you really might want to skip. I do a lot with my multi-tasking. Switching from Mobile Chrome to Text messages to a game I'm playing, this can take its toll. Turning off Multi-Tasking entirely isn't exactly the easiest to do either. You need to enable your Developer Settings on your device. If you're curious, go into your Settings App, open About Phone/Device, and tap repeatedly on Build Number. This should unlock Developer Settings. Once in there, you can scroll through and you'll find something with a name like "Limit Background Processes." If you tap on that, you'll be able to control just how many background apps can be running at a time before it starts auto-closing apps. I believe standard limit is fairly high, so setting it to 2 or 3 should help on battery usage.
Installed Apps
This is a big one. There's a lot of apps out there that when using them, or even NOT using them, they eat your battery, RAM, and processing power, alive. They just kill it. The Facebook's apps, Messenger and Facebook itself, were rated in the Top 5 for worst battery hogging apps of 2012, 2013, 2014 AND 2015. Delete those 2 apps and simply use your web browser to login to your facebook. Also, Mobile Chrome is a huge battery hog. Switching web browsers can help a lot. You can see which apps are using the most battery in your Settings by looking at the "Battery" section in your Settings app. Also, don't fall for the "Battery Saver" apps. They use more battery than they're worth and often just "emulate" some of the things I listed here that you can do yourself.
That's really about it for what you can do on a non-rooted devices without 3rd party apps. In the next section, I'll go over a lot more options with Root options and 3rd party apps.
Rooted options and 3rd Party Apps
This is the section that you'll want a little experience with. Backing up your phone entirely before continuing may be a smart option. Check XDA for the easiest way to back up your device before continuing.
Are you rooted? Kill that Bloatware!
A HUGE plus in Rooting is the fact you can remove a lot of the crap-ware that companies like Samsung, Verizon, AT&T, LG and many more of the cell phone companies out there install on your device. Not sure what you can delete? Look for things with something like "Samsung" in its app name. Or, you can go on the Play Store and grab an app called Root App Deleter. This is what I use. It has a nice Junior mode, for those who are new to this, and a Pro mode, for those experienced users. This will help you identify what you can and can't delete.
Type of root You have
There's always some sort of exploit to get root opportunity on a device, but what a lot of people don't know is that most of the Root exploits out there are called "live root" exploits. What is a "Live Root?" Well, that means the process of needing root is constantly being ran and controlled in the background while you may not even realize it. Running a Live Root will usually make your device run hot and slower. A big complaint of a lot of Rooters. Within the last few years, root exploits have gotten better, and there aren't as many Live Root exploits left, but for some devices, its the only way. To know if you have a Live Root, simply check your settings and see if your Android System is using a lot of battery power. That'll tell you. The best and I'm pretty sure only non-Live Root exploit out at the moment is KingRoot and TowelRoot. TowelRoot I trust more than KingRoot because KingRoot was made to attempt to work with ALL devices, where as TowelRoot was mainly focused on 1 specific Kernel version and Android version. Thank you GeoHot for TowelRoot. What a LIVE Saver.... get it? ... I'll see myself out.
Custom Roms
A lot of Custom Rom dev's out there focus on MORE instead of less, and those are the roms I usually steer clear of. These "more" options use a lot of battery power, even though they usually claim it uses less. The best Roms to install, in my opinion, are the ones that don't have many "new" features applied. Build.prop edits are alright, things like init.d support don't hurt anything, that usually helps honestly. The simple Debloated Dex'd Base roms are the best. You can always customize it later. A great example of a good base rom that gets good battery life is one I released a long time ago when the S5 was released. I'll leave the link below to XDA. The project is dead, but I may revive it
XDA BoxxiRoms v2.0.2
I'm in no way bashing custom rom development. New features are always awesome to have. They're cool, they bring new life to an old device.
PixelBatterySaver...
This is the ONLY app I trust to SAVE battery life because I've proven myself how well it works. While I said above that Apps don't work and use "more power than they're worth," this is the exception. This app, when activated, leaves a black mesh over your screen. and turns off pixels, but its enough that you won't notice during regular use. There's also multiple levels you can use. If you're interested in this, check it out on the play store and give it a go
Pixel Battery Saver Playstore
This is just the tip of the Iceburg for what I know honestly. I'll post more soon.
Can you help with galaxy s4 as well? Battery drains too fast..
Btw are you still using your s5 or still have it?
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blandead said:
Can you help with galaxy s4 as well? Battery drains too fast..
Btw are you still using your s5 or still have it?
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Use my S5 daily and actually just released a new ROM in the Verizon Galaxy S5 section for it based on NCG firmware and ROM.
There's many more ways to avoid battery drain than I have posted here, but these were the best top of the line ways I could think of. That being said, also check your battery for any pops and bubbles in the plastic wrapping around it OR for it being bloated in anyway. If you have had that S4 for a long time, its probably time for a new battery, which you can find on Amazon for probably less than 10 bucks.
Wouldn't it be nice to be able to keep your screen to stay on, while reading for example, without changing your display settings? Or while showing someone else something on your phone without having to tap your screen every 15 to 30 second (depending on your settings) just to "keep it alive".
This thread is nothing more than a discussion of an idea of mine. Feel free to add your honest opinion and maybe even ideas of realization as I'm not well educated in the art of app development and maybe someone who likes this idea could put it into practise .
Let's begin:
The fingerprint reader is one of the most innovative features in the history of mobile devices. On most devices it work with nearly no delay and with Google's newest feature one can even swap down the notifications and the quick tiles.
How hard is it to implement the scanner into an app and assign different actions like "register as tap" or if it registers a double tap "switch to last app" ? (Not criticizing, it's really a question )
Those features would make my life much easier and would open up new possibilities.
I would like to see if it's possible to scroll pages with it too. I believe there is lots of room to grow with this.
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Or be able to go mimic the back button by swiped left to right or right to left.
I always thought it would be nice if you could use the fingerprint reader to answer a incoming phone call. Hopefully with this new actions we have in reader some of these things will be possible.
I think it would be nice to be able to scroll through your notifications and to be able to open the app that you select with the sensor. The stay on feature would be amazing as well.
If I could pull out the edge tray hamburger from a side swipe I'd be happy.
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Most of the features don't sound too hard to realize, some of them may even appear in some future devices by Samsung or Huawei, but if Google could add native Android support, even lower priced models could feature some of those.... Hopefully this thread will be seen :angel:
I was also thinking it would be cool to have those features. I find myself tapping the fingerprint reader when reading and the page starts to go dark. Of course it doesn't do anything but wish it did. Don't know how the scrolling would work but that would be awesome too.
I'm surprised you can't even take a selfie with it. I thought this was an accepted use of the reader.
I would like to see the fingerprint lock the screen as well.
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http://www.androidauthority.com/google-pixel-fingerprint-scanner-gestures-725490/
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I find it odd that although you can pull down the notification shade with the fingerprint scanner it will not brighten the screen like touching it will.
Give it a go, wait for the screen to dim just before it turns off and use the fingerprint reader to pull the shade down, it stays dim...
Rahhfue said:
Most of the features don't sound too hard to realize, some of them may even appear in some future devices by Samsung or Huawei, but if Google could add native Android support, even lower priced models could feature some of those.... Hopefully this thread will be seen :angel:
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I believe Google will add more gestures along with many featurea in future updates. I bet they make them Pixel exclusive though. Since samsung is seriously considering Tizen as an Android replacement Google is also going to make features exclusive to their phones. No OEM has ever utilized all the built in features of Android so what's the point in writing features no OEM is going to use. I hope Google takes complete control of Android so people can see what Android was meant to be. Not just a base for OEM's to mess up and layer their own crappy alternative software over the top. Since samsung likes to replace everything with their bloat they would probably see performance increases going the same route and designing the hardware and software. Too bad Tizen is horrid looking though. I think the era of one version of Android fits all is coming to an end. The new Google formula will be what OEM's also adopt, or they will be forced to just become "for hire" manufacturers like HTC. Remember when foxconn made hardware before becoming an exclusive iPhone manufacturer. Googles vision was that every device ran the same version but no OEM wanted to cooperate with them. So they are taking control of Android. Because of this I think we will see much more features and development for Pixel phones. Resulting in a better Android experience for the Android user. Flame me if you want, but this change is inevitable. And I'm on board!
As probably many already saw:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/android/apps-games/app-fingerprint-to-unlock-t3466549/page24
I hope this new app will allow all features I asked for and will make its way into stock Android!
Any further ideas or discussions can be mentioned in the apps thread, this thread can now be closed, thanks for taking part :fingers-crossed: