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How is the music quality compared to the fassy. I know it had a top quality headphone amp (for a phone). Can the incredible 2 compare?
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How is the music quality compared to the fassy. I know it had a top quality headphone amp (for a phone). Can the incredible 2 compare?
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I know this annoying that the first response doesn't know the answer (although I would love to hear some opinions - I'll miss Voodoo Sound, unless there is an HTC equivalent)
Anybody former Fascinate owners want to give a quick rundown of what to expect? I just started researching and reading, but still not quite sure I get the rooting process on HTC and why 2.3.3 cannot be rooted....I'm not even sure if I have that part right.
I think I can answer that question. Gingerbread added some security patches and fixed the hole which was used to root the phone.
The droid x is the same way now. Originally it could be rooted but now no longer.
It's likely someone will develop a method though it may take some time. You can always try the hardware method xrc Inc I think.
I just ordered my replacement today and have been doing some reading haha...
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To answer your question...
NO, you can't really compare the Inc2 to the Fascinate, the loudspeaker in the inc2 sucks big time, is not good, the music app is great and i think is better than the fascinate, but as far as the hardware speaker, no, is not as good.
I don't think he was referring to just the hardware speaker, I think he meant the audio output in general, but especially when using headphones. Not having ever used a fascinate I can't compare, but I'd recommend trying DSPmanager to tweak the EQ and audio settings.
The stock inc2 sounds decent. Nothing compared to voodoo sound. Nothing. But its not to bad once you get used to it.
Bob
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Thanks bob. I was afraid of that. I'll still probably switch but there are definitely things ill miss about my fassy.
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If you are using headphones and are using HTC's default music player with SRS support turned on, it sounds amazing. As others have said, the speaker sucks big time. I have the ringer volume turned all the way up and still miss about half of the notifications. I had a D1 before this, and the speaker on that thing was incredible (no pun intended), and the Inc2 is sad in comparison. Can't compare to the fascinate, but I'd have to imagine just about anything short of a cup and wire would be better.
By now we all know our live sound recording at concerts completely sucks. It sounds like muffled garbage which nullifies the point of even whipping out the ol' e4gt to record and brag to your friends later :/ I've read up and down the boards about the ig/lgcamera app on the market. I was wondering if anyone had luck in obtaining correct ig/lgcamcorder settings to achieve better sound quality? If so mind posting? I've sat w/ the app for about an hour trying all sorts of toggles. All I ever seem to see on the screen, more often than not, is some "Recording failed" BS or I have to toggle between filters before the screen unfreezes. I have 6 major concerts I'm attending this month and would really love to have better vid clips with great audio you can actually understand. Any help here would be greatly appreciated! Thanx in advance XDA Community.
our phone can only record as good as the microphone it has can record.. thats like asking how we can make a 2mp camera take 8mp quality images by just installing another camera app
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Yeah the microphone sucks. I went to Iron Maiden last Friday and the sound of the videos suck.
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our phone can only record as good as the microphone it has can record.. thats like asking how we can make a 2mp camera take 8mp quality images by just installing another camera app
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I completely understand where you're coming from and do appreciate the input, but we can all overclock our phone with a quick updated kernel and 3rd party apps like Tegrak or SetCPU, can't we? . Have you at least read up on, or tested igcamera/camcorder before just saying it's impossible? I'm just playing devil's advocate here b/c I know lgcamcorder allows you to change the audio recording freq/rate which, in theory, will allow better audio recording inside videos I've also heard that plugging in an external mic with other apps will work too, but I haven't tried.
Update: Thanks to RubberBigPepper! He's got the latest working LGCamera app here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1677645 . After installing the apk I recorded parts of Metallica - And Justice For All a few times (JBL speakers @ 100% incl. system sound) with stock camcorder vs. lgcamcorder (changed audio encoder to AAC, Audio sample rate to 48000 and Audio bitrate to 320000). LG won that contest hands down. Don't take my word for it, check it out yourselves. I don't have a data cable w/me atm so I'll upload my comparison in a few hours.
thats because our phones hardware is able to be overclocked to a certain extent and the kernel we need because the stock kernel doesnt have the ability to be tweaked.. but hey, if you got an improvement by using a different camera and bitrate then awesome lol. i still dont think its going to sound as clear as you want it at a live recording but hopefully its at least decent for ya.. i personally NEVER use my camera for anything lol so good to know tweaking it can help somewhat
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This goes along with my idea, AOKP, MIUI, and CM9 cameras function better than any TW (IMO). I say this because their ability to process light seems to be slightly more advanced, though not as advanced as the iPhone which has a far superior camera application. If the settings can be tweaked to grasp certain things in images e.g. light, exposure, focus...then why can't settings be implemented in order to achieve the same thing via camcorder? If there is an ability to mess with settings that enhance cetains audio features then the sound quality should improve. I'm interested in seing what others have to say.
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thats because our phones hardware is able to be overclocked to a certain extent and the kernel we need because the stock kernel doesnt have the ability to be tweaked.. but hey, if you got an improvement by using a different camera and bitrate then awesome lol. i still dont think its going to sound as clear as you want it at a live recording but hopefully its at least decent for ya.. i personally NEVER use my camera for anything lol so good to know tweaking it can help somewhat
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I'm in agreeance with ya man. And yes, obviously we can only go so far with what hardware is provided to us. I just annoys me that we have an iphone killer but ****ty sound qual. in camcorder. I just hate to lose bragging rights when I'm next to a friend w/an iDevice comparing vids:/
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I'm in agreeance with ya man. And yes, obviously we can only go so far with what hardware is provided to us. I just annoys me that we have an iphone killer but ****ty sound qual. in camcorder. I just hate to lose bragging rights when I'm next to a friend w/an iDevice comparing vids:/
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Comparing quality of video/photos, you will lose every time (very few exceptions) the software is specific and until the auto features are pulled and implemented in to our devices then the picture quality will be better. I don't see where they win with sound qaulity though, background noise is a main factor on our device for me....does any here have the s3? if so can they confirm whether or not video audio is the same, maybe pulling that .apk and having some edits on the build prop would impose better values, hardware permitting! Just an idea.
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Comparing quality of video/photos, you will lose every time (very few exceptions) the software is specific and until the auto features are pulled and implemented in to our devices then the picture quality will be better. I don't see where they win with sound qaulity though, background noise is a main factor on our device for me....does any here have the s3? if so can they confirm whether or not video audio is the same, maybe pulling that .apk and having some edits on the build prop would impose better values, hardware permitting! Just an idea.
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<<<goosebumps just thinking about the possibility of that cam being ported heck Beats was blended with DSP and ported!
As far as comparison goes: I've stood side-by-side with friends at concerts, my E4GT vs. their iPhone 4s, and recorded the same video shots. My audio was absolute garbage, not one lyrics clear. iPhone 4s however was crystal...
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<<<goosebumps just thinking about the possibility of that cam being ported heck Beats was blended with DSP and ported!
As far as comparison goes: I've stood side-by-side with friends at concerts, my E4GT vs. their iPhone 4s, and recorded the same video shots. My audio was absolute garbage, not one lyrics clear. iPhone 4s however was crystal...
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Yeah..no we can't allot that happen. Wouldn't want people to think an iPhones decent would we. Not I
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Yeah..no we can't allot that happen. Wouldn't want people to think an iPhones decent would we. Not I
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Exactly, it's just absolutely unacceptable I've been w/ Android since the G1 went on presale back in the day, yo! I've got at least a dozen Apple lifers to make the switch to "'Droid". I hate selling ish and sounding like a billboard... I don't believe in it, but dammit! Our EG4T will still hold us over 'til the SGS4 comes out (in what I predict will be Spring). I live in J-ville, FL and we don't have LTE so the only benefit of upgrading to SGS3 is a faster 3g, which is irrelevant to me since I'm always on WiFi. Anywho.... LONG LIVE ANDROID, XDA, and OPENSOURCE T3CH!
I love how people come in with possibly unrelated reasons like oh we can overclock so we should be able to this and that.
About the only thing your going to be able to do here is have someone mod the camera app for a higher data rate and its at 61 kbps. Being a Mono mic that is NOT as bad as it sounds. Being Mono you need only half the data rate for the same quality. So 61 kbps is around the same as 128 which would be considered decent for AAC. If you can get that to 96 or even 128 your going to have the equivalent of 192 to 256 kbps data rates you normally use for stereo.
Sure if the sampling rate is turned down artificially you might be able to fix that. Its at 44,100 now which is fine. Max sample rate is going to be physically tied to the analog to digital converter chip.
If the mic is physically cutting out a certain frequencies and sound levels there is absolutely jack you can do about it except change it physically and you dont really know its properties as is might make selection a little more blind. Most cheap microphones are going to cut out with loud music and fail to record any bass at all. Mics that size in the 2,500 dollar range still have their own issues
Well did some testing noticed some things changing the settings for the AOSP camera versus my old stock camera recordings.
By default the aosp camera audio setting is set to 128Kbps stereo and 48,000hz. It seems the 48,000hz sticks but the audio caps out at 96 Kbps. So that said there seems to be some improvement to be had versus the stock camera application. As per my previous post this is in comparison to 44,100hz and 61 Kbps. I tried 96,000hz for kicks it does not work. AOSP has 2 channels enabled unlike stock but setting it to 1 or 2 doesnt have too much effect. I will have to test but if its writing 2 channels of mono audio it might be harmful to the quality since the overall bitrate is for both channels.
EDIT - The settings for the aosp camera vary wildly on our CM9 builds it seems every few days someone has changed this or that or maybe the source file has i do not know.
I have a friend at work with the S3.. We went to a concert together and the S3 audio was only about 25% better.. Samsung has crappy mics in their phones.. However I have a Samsung Samsung HMX-U20 hand held pocket cam and the sound recording at any concert is simply amazing.. But hate having to bring two devices to events.
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I have a friend at work with the S3.. We went to a concert together and the S3 audio was only about 25% better.. Samsung has crappy mics in their phones.. However I have a Samsung Samsung HMX-U20 hand held pocket cam and the sound recording at any concert is simply amazing.. But hate having to bring two devices to events.
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Thanks for the update on the S3, glad I didn't get roped in and am waiting on the S4
Just checking in on how audio quality is while recording video? (thinking about getting this device).
Does it get that 'underwater' effect that sometimes plagues audio in video?
Is it able to record loud noise without distorting?
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Just checking in on how audio quality is while recording video? (thinking about getting this device).
Does it get that 'underwater' effect that sometimes plagues audio in video?
Is it able to record loud noise without distorting?
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Good question considering I like recording concerts I go to.. I haven't been to one yet, but would like to see someone's recording of one. I know the LG G2 was horrible at recording concerts as well as the whole line of Galaxy phones.. Sadly the best phone I've ever heard for recording loud volumes is the iphone
This is an advertised feature of the G3 and I was also wondering about it.
Coming from an S3 where you couldnt make out anything except garbled noise when recording in loud environments, I was also keen to see if this would really work.
So, just the other night I was in the pub, bunch of people, some DJ playing some cheesy tunes with decent amount of bass and lots of noise of people etc etc.. Now I don't want to upload the video because my workmates would kill me, you know the drunken antics people get into, but I will say the following about the video recording in this noisy environment:
1. You could hear everything!
2. It sounds a bit like music in a tin, but even above the music / screams and noise you could still clearly hear people speaking and what they were saying perfectly.
3. Played it back on the PC and it definitely still has bass / treble / mid range, maybe a bit too much mid range but I think that's the compromise between being able to still record voices while all this noise is happening.
4. All in all great, I am pleased.
5. Need to record at a festival though with super loud sound so that I can compare the sound to my friends Nokia & iPhone video recordings to rate it a bit better. (if you have links to videos recorded by such devices that I can compare to, I will have a look and see what I notice different / better /worse)
I am no audiophile / sound engineer, but these are my impressions of video recording in a loud environment.
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I am going to a concert next weekend. I will test it out then
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I was just about to make a post on this!!!
TLDR- PERFECT PHONE!
Here is Seven Lions in gainesville, FL
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_8wCq6Me5ew
Taken on an LG G3. Took it on Thursday Night. If I took video on my Galaxy S3 in the same spot, you wouldnt be able to hear anything because the bass would take over...
Here is my Galaxy S3 taking video at EDC Orlando in November 2013... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VSwQ7WIrJVM too much bass...
Dang it really does take good audio in videos. Great vids!
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I can confirm this phone has good audio recording at loud concerts which I go to quite often. It's not the best quality but at least it doesn't distort or get overpowered by bass (like my note 2). I am very satisfied. I can finally record artists and enjoy rewatching the clips on my phone.
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I have also discovered the same problem. I have searched a bit and its turn out to be "noise cancellation" feature build in kit kat, the problem is presented in nexus 5 too, and google working on it to fix this in 4.4.3, otherwise in very loud environments like concerts noise cancellation do amazing job, but it is very bad for quite environment.
This is what bugs me most about my G3. The noise cancellation that kicks in after 3 or 4 seconds is just way too aggressive for the sake of reducing distortion in harsh environments. It practically ruins the sound quality unless you have someone speaking nearby. Every video I have taken sounds muffled and garbled.
This is definitely one area in which I prefer my old One M7 with the "HDR" dual membrane microphones which would simultaneously be clear and avoid distortion. LG should have taken this route if they were serious about avoiding distortion.
Today's LG G3 Update fix that bug, good job Google and LG :good:
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Oh there was music with that? Dang was too busy watching the video
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Today's LG G3 Update fix that bug, good job Google and LG :good:
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I found this thread while searching for a solution to very audio problem mentioned here.
I also have an LG G3 and have recently returned from a week holiday only to find that the 140 clips i took all have this audio problem.
Nauvho, you mentioned that LG/Google has fixed this in an update. I received the V10g update recently. However, it still has this problem.
Is this the same update that fixed it for you?
Cheers!
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I found this thread while searching for a solution to very audio problem mentioned here.
I also have an LG G3 and have recently returned from a week holiday only to find that the 140 clips i took all have this audio problem.
Nauvho, you mentioned that LG/Google has fixed this in an update. I received the V10g update recently. However, it still has this problem.
Is this the same update that fixed it for you?
Cheers!
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Hi there, yes this update fix the problem for me, however i can't confirm that this update is targeted for this bug at all, but it is confirmed that it is android bug.
Thanks for replying!
How strange that it fixed it for you and not me.
Did you get the V10g or the V10e update?
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Thanks for replying!
How strange that it fixed it for you and not me.
Did you get the V10g or the V10e update?
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Its 10g, 10g-EUR-XX to be specific.
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Today's LG G3 Update fix that bug, good job Google and LG :good:
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Which update? V10H or V10J or which one?
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Which update? V10H or V10J or which one?
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I have said this already 10g fix it for me.
That's the same one that i got.
I wonder why it didn't fix it for me. Very annoying.
You say it's an Android thing but why is it not present on other Android 4.4.2 devices?
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I have also discovered the same problem. I have searched a bit and its turn out to be "noise cancellation" feature build in kit kat, the problem is presented in nexus 5 too, and google working on it to fix this in 4.4.3, otherwise in very loud environments like concerts noise cancellation do amazing job, but it is very bad for quite environment.
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Hi folks,
I just dropped my Samsung S4 and cracked the screen. :crying: It still works, but it's time to move on. I never buy new / latest devices; instead I wait and buy last year's model from Swappa or the like, selling my old phone to partially subsidize the purchase. Looks like my S4 is going to the Boneyard.
What I've been looking for is a 2014 model, 5.5" screen, rootable/unlocked bootloader (I like custom ROMs :good: ), phone with a multicolor notification light and good battery. Was thinking to go up to Nexus 6 but it's just too big for me.
The LG G3 looks just about perfect. I've spent the last hour reading up on it. The T-Mo version should work fine for my AT&T service, and it comes unlocked, both SIM and Bootloader. Can any ATT users attest to the phone working well on that network? (EDIT: I googled a bit and found it works fine)
There seems to be plenty of development, though surprisingly I don't see a plain vanilla GPE 5.1.1 ROM out there. Most of the development I see seems to be around AOSP (I'm a fan of SlimROMs and have had good experiences with Dirty Unicorns too, been considering Bliss on other devices). Have I missed a very plain GPE (at least 5.1) compiled for the G3? Doing my research it looks like the latest OTA is still 20G (5.0.1), and it sounds like Marshmallow will eventually come out (I'm not sure I want it...). Would love to hear what the most plain GPE like 5.1 ROM is.
I'd love to hear any experience or recommendations... anybody get a G3 recently and wish they got something else, instead? Or is this a device we can all love for another year or so?
Thanks. I'm itching to pull the trigger and just need some encouragement, or possibly a conk on the head to look into some other phone.
One last question: how intense is the vibrate function on the G3? My S4 isn't strong enough vibrating, and I often miss calls and stuff when I'm in silent/vibrate mode. Looking for something a bit more attention getting if possible!
Marc
I dropped my note 3 for thus phone. Although it's rootable the g3 seems to be fragile when it comes to flashing roms if you don't know what you are doing. Not worse than the note 3 though ( ATT murdered that phone).
Thanks for the reply!
I've gone ahead and purchased the D851. It should arrive today, and I should have it set up later this week. Looking forward to it. I've bought an iCarez 0.2mm screen protector for it and am looking into bumpers/wraps to keep it minty.
I'm a bit concerned since there's no 5.1(.1) GPE ROM available, but many of the Dev'ed ROM options look attractive. I'm going to start by rooting the thing and subtracting bloatware. After that, we'll see... On the S4, the T-Mo boot animation was reason enough to flash a ROM. Loud and annoying.
I'm curious, are you stock, or have you flashed something (if so, which ROM)?
Again, thank you. I appreciate your reply.
I was practically in the same boat. I had a GS4 , but cracked the display, the actual display not the glass, and bought a G3. I replaced the front glass twice before that, its a very fragile phone. But otherwise I loved the S4 for the screen, the plain design, ROMs, expandable storage, and removable battery.
The G3 is very comparable to the S4, the screen I'd say is slight upgrade. You can barely notice 1440p vs 1080p, and I'd say its viewing angles aren't as good, but I still like it over my S4. I'm running paranoid android 5.1.1 on it now. Its similar to AOSP. If you liked the GS4 you'd probably like the G3 but it wasn't that great an upgrade. Still though, its logical to get the G3 if your S4 is broken as its pretty much an S4 with more up to date components and an LG logo on it.
Thanks for the input ! I did buy a G3 and will set it up this weekend. I will look into the ROM you mentioned too.
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I wish I'd seen this sooner. I'd have steered you clear of the G3. Biggest piece of garbage unless you're running boring stock. Even the CM team can't figure out how to make a stable ROM for it... And they've been at it for over a year! Bluetooth audio will never be right, Bluetooth LE will stop working altogether and you'll experience major network connectivity issues... All on day one and with any of the custom ROMs out there. It seems that the LG is so proprietary that nothing can control it aside from the boring, bloated, ugly and battery eating stock.
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I wish I'd seen this sooner. I'd have steered you clear of the G3. Biggest piece of garbage unless you're running boring stock. Even the CM team can't figure out how to make a stable ROM for it... And they've been at it for over a year! Bluetooth audio will never be right, Bluetooth LE will stop working altogether and you'll experience major network connectivity issues... All on day one and with any of the custom ROMs out there. It seems that the LG is so proprietary that nothing can control it aside from the boring, bloated, ugly and battery eating stock.
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Thanks for the opinion, but I have to say I'm loving my D851.
I rooted it and installed TWRP straight out of the gate, so that I could make some changes I wanted to (such as uninstalling T-Mobile specific system apps, not needed for me on ATT), but I never even needed to change out the ROM. The phone works great on the stock ROM (minus a few things I manually debloated), and doesn't feel bloated or laggy. I didn't even bother to install the Cloudy ROM (debloated stock).
I did install the Google Now launcher, because I wasn't a fan of the stock UI. I like the things Google Now brings to the table and it cleaned up the UI.
After the first few days I stopped playing around with the phone because everything works great. Bluetooth to my car, no problem, great WIFI antenna and Cell receptivity as compared to my Galaxy S4. Nice screen, battery life is outstanding...
Loving the phone.
Can't disagree with Aalendi more. I've had the 851 for almost 18 months and running SR Lolly V6 - Final on it for the past 6 months. Works perfectly and even though I'm tempted from time to time to "upgrade" to another phone, I cannot find enough differences out there to warrant it. Android 6 is already emerging and I'm waiting to upgrade the ROM when I feel its almost glitch-free (which it's not at the moment. I think you made a fine decision. JM2C
Manual debloat?
I am sorta/kinda new to the ROM party and am able to install TWRP and flash/root my D851. However, I went back to the stock ROM because of Wi-Fi calling and more stable network connectivity than 3rd-party ROMS. My question to you is what do you mean by 'manual debloat'? Is that a function of TWRP or simply removing/disabling apps? Thanks.
Manual de-bloat refers to you being able to remove programs that carriers or manufacturers install on your phone when you first purchase it. Rooting your phone allows you to do this yourself.
I'm not a pro user and i compared m9 fluidity to nexus 5 and newer google phones, they are obviously smoother than any other high end android phones. Is there a particular reason or setting or mod to make m9 so?
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Sense sucks - thats the reason. I have no idea why but HTC gets rid of many preety little animations that are in stock and to make things even worse their own animations stright sucks. They start a good haf or more second after touch and then they are trying to "catch up".
There is only one solution for that and its obviously flashing AOSP like rom, personally I like CM12.1 the best for now ( You can find stable build in camera bounty thread). Then to make things even better i recomend nova launcher prime with animations set up to 'circle' it gives smooth, and INSTANT animations that make experience so much better.
I also have a feeling that forcing GPU rendering under developer settings makes everything a bit smoother.
Sense or aosp roms dont seem to be very fluid on the m9 for some reason. No overheating on my exchanged unit but it is disapointing. I have until tomorrow to turn my m9 back in to tmobile, 14 day refund. Im considering it but theres no other device they offer id want.
Then why did you guys go for the M9? Certainly, nexus devices are more fluid for the obvious reasons... But for me among other oems that offer android,t sense is by far the best... I did go for the M9 for the very reason that no nexus device is comparable to the features of the m9... Nexus devices always lack a thing or two... But yes, if one wants the best experience of Android, they should go for a nexus...
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Sense sucks - thats the reason. I have no idea why but HTC gets rid of many preety little animations that are in stock and to make things even worse their own animations stright sucks. They start a good haf or more second after touch and then they are trying to "catch up".
There is only one solution for that and its obviously flashing AOSP like rom, personally I like CM12.1 the best for now ( You can find stable build in camera bounty thread). Then to make things even better i recomend nova launcher prime with animations set up to 'circle' it gives smooth, and INSTANT animations that make experience so much better.
I also have a feeling that forcing GPU rendering under developer settings makes everything a bit smoother.
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Sounds like an opinion more than a fact.
If this is how you feel then why did you buy a HTC device? I have to say, in terms of pace and reliability Sense is definitely one of the quickest UI's you are likely to see, Touch Wiz, LG's own, Sony's own, MIUI, Huawei's thing, none are as quick as sense.
However......
If you like the M9 but want animations, go to my thread and install xposed and XUI and Screen Off Animation then you can have all the animations you want.
The battery implications, believe it or not are minimal and certainly in line with other devices, including the Nexus (even with xposed installed) it'll be the apps you have which have a stronger bearing on your battery usage than xposed.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/one...-m9-xposed-t3120711/post63539475#post63539475
Enjoy
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Sense or aosp roms dont seem to be very fluid on the m9 for some reason. No overheating on my exchanged unit but it is disapointing. I have until tomorrow to turn my m9 back in to tmobile, 14 day refund. Im considering it but theres no other device they offer id want.
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Either we have very different phones or i don't know what, sense is rapid, never slows down unless it's being woken from a long time asleep (low cpu levels when off for a long time)
It's fluid constantly, i have no lag and no overheating at all.
@dladz
It's a fact unfortunately. Many people cannot distinguish smoothness from snappyness IMHO.
Sense roms are snapy, but lets admit.. they are not fluid while pure android phones ( thinking about nexuses) are both, snapy and fluid.
Where sense gets it wrong? Well in many places. For example.. Turning lighter on ( from quick settings) in stock android have very nice animation, same for airplane mode, localization, screen rotation and so on, while on sense roms You have none of these.
Want to check your data usage? In stock android You can do it from quicksettings and You will be pleased with nice, instant animation, on sense You can find it deep under phone settings.
Opening recents from home screen? There is always small lag/a few dropped frames on sense, do the same thing from an app and vuala, no delay. On stock its all smooth and flawless.
Then worst part that luckily is dependable on launcher.. App opening animation. On stock android You will see close to instant animation after taping on app icon, ( for the most part...) then, on sense You will tap, wait a bit and then see very fast animation = snappines is there but smoothness, well not so much.
I bought M9 with hope that it will recive a good third party support like m8 did and I thought that sense is not that bad ( but as You already said, everything is bad after using stock nexus software)
I had nexus 5 before M9 and I wanted to keep it for one more year because all flagships from this year were dissapointing for me but it died. ( broken screen. tough I finally repaired it myself.) M9 seemed like best option as samsung is samsung and I cant stand their software and z3+ was over $350 more expensive than One.
Personaly I was really dissapointed with htc software and phone in general but after switching to stable CM12.1 I'm happy once again.
And BTW xperia UI and also motorolla UI is way closer to stock android than one M9, in my opinion those two are also better looking ones.
I'm waiting for cm13 and marshmallow to see if our phone will get some optimization from nexus 6p because it has same hardware
if will be disappointing (even if this phone is pretty satisfying as it is) I will consider to change phone
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It's a fact unfortunately. Many people cannot distinguish smoothness from snappyness IMHO.
Sense roms are snapy, but lets admit.. they are not fluid while pure android phones ( thinking about nexuses) are both, snapy and fluid.
Where sense gets it wrong? Well in many places. For example.. Turning lighter on ( from quick settings) in stock android have very nice animation, same for airplane mode, localization, screen rotation and so on, while on sense roms You have none of these.
Want to check your data usage? In stock android You can do it from quicksettings and You will be pleased with nice, instant animation, on sense You can find it deep under phone settings.
Opening recents from home screen? There is always small lag/a few dropped frames on sense, do the same thing from an app and vuala, no delay. On stock its all smooth and flawless.
Then worst part that luckily is dependable on launcher.. App opening animation. On stock android You will see close to instant animation after taping on app icon, ( for the most part...) then, on sense You will tap, wait a bit and then see very fast animation = snappines is there but smoothness, well not so much.
I bought M9 with hope that it will recive a good third party support like m8 did and I thought that sense is not that bad ( but as You already said, everything is bad after using stock nexus software)
I had nexus 5 before M9 and I wanted to keep it for one more year because all flagships from this year were dissapointing for me but it died. ( broken screen. tough I finally repaired it myself.) M9 seemed like best option as samsung is samsung and I cant stand their software and z3+ was over $350 more expensive than One.
Personaly I was really dissapointed with htc software and phone in general but after switching to stable CM12.1 I'm happy once again.
And BTW xperia UI and also motorolla UI is way closer to stock android than one M9, in my opinion those two are also better looking ones.
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First and foremost you're giving me your opinion, nothing more.
Stock android gives you the minimum. If that's what you want then fair enough, go for it.
Grab yourself a nexus.
This is a htc device. And FYI I am well aware of the difference between snappy and fluid, you implicated that I don't.
My phone is as fluid as any.
Please see this video showcasing some animations and UI (old ish video)
https://youtu.be/FrIJdvm_fiQ
If this isn't what you want then you bought the wrong phone. Complaining about it won't change a damn thing.
Your opinion does not spell fact, it is simply your opinion. That is a fact.
So i would say, either enjoy the phone or buy another.. Just stop complaining about it, there's nothing that can be gained from it.
Also, sonys Ui is a disgrace, it's large and clunky. Over baring and just nowhere near as functional as it should be, plus it's several times larger than stock android,? Not sure where you got your info from mate.
Motorola is stock android mate, it's owned by google, or was at least. So no surprise there.
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Sounds like an opinion more than a fact.
If this is how you feel then why did you buy a HTC device? I have to say, in terms of pace and reliability Sense is definitely one of the quickest UI's you are likely to see, Touch Wiz, LG's own, Sony's own, MIUI, Huawei's thing, none are as quick as sense.
However......
If you like the M9 but want animations, go to my thread and install xposed and XUI and Screen Off Animation then you can have all the animations you want.
The battery implications, believe it or not are minimal and certainly in line with other devices, including the Nexus (even with xposed installed) it'll be the apps you have which have a stronger bearing on your battery usage than xposed.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/one...-m9-xposed-t3120711/post63539475#post63539475
Enjoy
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Either we have very different phones or i don't know what, sense is rapid, never slows down unless it's being woken from a long time asleep (low cpu levels when off for a long time)
It's fluid constantly, i have no lag and no overheating at all.
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First and foremost you're giving me your opinion, nothing more.
Stock android gives you the minimum. If that's what you want then fair enough, go for it.
Grab yourself a nexus.
This is a htc device. And FYI I am well aware of the difference between snappy and fluid, you implicated that I don't.
My phone is as fluid as any.
Please see this video showcasing some animations and UI (old ish video)
https://youtu.be/FrIJdvm_fiQ
If this isn't what you want then you bought the wrong phone. Complaining about it won't change a damn thing.
Your opinion does not spell fact, it is simply your opinion. That is a fact.
So i would say, either enjoy the phone or buy another.. Just stop complaining about it, there's nothing that can be gained from it.
Also, sonys Ui is a disgrace, it's large and clunky. Over baring and just nowhere near as functional as it should be, plus it's several times larger than stock android,? Not sure where you got your info from mate.
Motorola is stock android mate, it's owned by google, or was at least. So no surprise there.
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It sounds like your posts are also full of opinions.
People buy phones for varying reasons. Just because someone is pointing out shortfalls of a device doesn't mean he/she doesn't want to own said device. Telling someone to "go grab yourself a nexus" just weakens your argument.
Similar to the users who posted in this thread, I also notice some lag in some cases, e.g., when opening "recents" on the M9, which was never the case on, say, the Nexus 6. However, I was fully expecting to experience lag on the M9 coming from the Nexus 6. I choose the M9, for other reasons, i.e., I was looking for a 5" device with front facing stereo speakers. That limits my choices greatly, so I have had to compromise. Does the fact that I currently own an M9 mean that I can't point out it's weaknesses? Absolutely not. (And pointing out weaknesses is not necessarily complaining.) When I owned the Nexus 6, I certainly pointed out it's weaknesses (and strengths), as I did with previous devices I've owned.
I also noticed that you were not using stock Sense in the video you posted. Would you say stock Sense is as fluid as the ROM you were using? I would say a more fair comparison would be stock Nexus 6 vs stock M9, no?
And yes, you are correct, complaining about a phone isn't going to make it better. But then again, being a fan boy won't get rid of shortcomings either.
Either way, the M9 is certainly a nice device. Is it perfect? No. But no device is. Everyone compromises based on what is important to him/her.
And by the way, Motorola devices do NOT use stock Android. That is a fact.
Coming from a Nexus 4, I'm not seeing much difference in fluidness and smoothness. The M9 is right there with the Nexus 4. When the Nexus 5 came out, I did look into it, but the majority of reviews I read didn't see it as a big jump from the 4. Maybe the Nexus 6 is a bigger improvement. I didn't go for the 6 because I don't want a screen that dang big. My wife likes the Samsung Notes, so I am familiar with Touchwiz and will state that Sense is leaps and bounds smoother and more fluid than it. Currently, I do have two Moto Gs in the household and as far as I can tell they are stock Android.
@dladz
First and foremost, read carefully. I'm not just giving You my opinion, I've pointed out where sense isn't smooth while stock is - its not an opinion its fact, I could even make video just to proof that. ( although there are already tons of videos about stock android transitions/animations that sense lacks btw.)
Stock android gives you the minimum. If that's what you want then fair enough, go for it.
Grab yourself a nexus.
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Thats what I want, I like minimal aproach to software. And also, I've explained already why I'm not using nexus currently and also why I use M9 now...
This is a htc device. And FYI I am well aware of the difference between snappy and fluid, you implicated that I don't.
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I implicated that many don't, not necessarily You.
About Your video and Your animations pack.. Well I know those animations for years now I was using some of them a few years ago on xperia p and I thought they were cool but i don't think they are anymore as they mostly don't make sense, and also they dont fit with material design philosophy and guidelines. Then again You are not using stock sense and although Your phone is smooth for the most part - You were showcasing parts of software that are usualy smoooth on most android phones.. I already pointed out where sense isn't smooth and I bet that Your sense based rom isn't smooth there as well - You just don't care.
So i would say, either enjoy the phone or buy another..
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- did You read my comment to the end..? I've said there that " Personaly I was really dissapointed with htc software and phone in general but after switching to stable CM12.1 I'm happy once again. " Also I don't like stock software, not hardware and while I cannot change hardare I could change software - and I did...
Also, sonys Ui is a disgrace, it's large and clunky. Over baring and just nowhere near as functional as it should be, plus it's several times larger than stock android,? Not sure where you got your info from mate.
Motorola is stock android mate, it's owned by google, or was at least. So no surprise there
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First of all, sense roms are even bigger than xperia ones, and also sony's UI is closer to stock android.. ( quick settings, recents, or even softbuttons all these elements ale closer to stock than sense implementations.)
And from what I know, motorola isn't google anymore - its owned by lenovo + motorola's UI is close to stock, but they have their own additions - so its no longer stock..
Complaining about it won't change a damn thing.
Just stop complaining about it, there's nothing that can be gained from it.
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- Seriously? I will keep on complaining becasuse it can change a damn thing - its just a software that could be modified. (Also pointing out weaknesses is not necessarily complaining.) - not even my words - @efrant
By pointing out those shortfalls I'm not saying HTC is bad, I own their phone after all, I'm just trying to show where sense could improve in terms of smothness.
I don't get why so many android guys (ios guys as well) cannot admit that android/their phone isn't perfect. There is a lot to be improved and personally I dont know why I should stay quiet and do nothing about it.
Maybe I'll make a video with nexus 5 running stock marshmallow, and one M9 running both, CM and sense, just to prove that its not M9 hardware that makes phone not so smooth but its own sofrware. ( looking at You sense)
BTW. Have You tried CM 12.1 build from camera bounty thread or have You ever used nexus as Your daily driver? (dladz?)
As for the OP @iprong
You can try flashing this bouild from rashed -http://downloads.hostingsharedbox.com/rashed/m9/himaul/ ( fully functional CM12.1, the latest one is the one You should go with.)
And If You like sense apps then just look for them on xda, I'm sure someone ported them for AOSP based roms.
efrant said:
It sounds like your posts are also full of opinions.
People buy phones for varying reasons. Just because someone is pointing out shortfalls of a device doesn't mean he/she doesn't want to own said device. Telling someone to "go grab yourself a nexus" just weakens your argument.
Similar to the users who posted in this thread, I also notice some lag in some cases, e.g., when opening "recents" on the M9, which was never the case on, say, the Nexus 6. However, I was fully expecting to experience lag on the M9 coming from the Nexus 6. I choose the M9, for other reasons, i.e., I was looking for a 5" device with front facing stereo speakers. That limits my choices greatly, so I have had to compromise. Does the fact that I currently own an M9 mean that I can't point out it's weaknesses? Absolutely not. (And pointing out weaknesses is not necessarily complaining.) When I owned the Nexus 6, I certainly pointed out it's weaknesses (and strengths), as I did with previous devices I've owned.
I also noticed that you were not using stock Sense in the video you posted. Would you say stock Sense is as fluid as the ROM you were using? I would say a more fair comparison would be stock Nexus 6 vs stock M9, no?
And yes, you are correct, complaining about a phone isn't going to make it better. But then again, being a fan boy won't get rid of shortcomings either.
Either way, the M9 is certainly a nice device. Is it perfect? No. But no device is. Everyone compromises based on what is important to him/her.
And by the way, Motorola devices do NOT use stock Android. That is a fact.
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http://www.androidcentral.com/moto-x-pure-edition-review
??? It's not stock android??? Oh ? It certainly looks like it to me, maybe a few additional addons yea but it's got the launcher, the settings, the lack of any additional UI ? Fact !
As for my opinion, it's based on what i see and feel so yea you're right it's my opinion, however what i'm saying is that the HTC is not a slow phone, it doesn't lag and if you watched my video you'd know that, if your phones lagging then you're obviously doing something wrong, you probably have apps dragging your phone down or it's not been optimised as mine has, as my phone simply does not lag.
And no it wasn't stock sense, it was Leedroid, it had xposed and 2 extra mods making animations, it was also not the most up to date version of android either, it was just a video i made to showcase some mods.
I haven't mentioned stock sense, not once, I am literally speaking from my experience as an experienced modder and user of custom roms, of course it's not stock, why would anyone buy a HTC device and then not mod it? It's ludicrous as their OS without modification is pants and has been for a long time, this is at the end of the day XDA developers, we mod phones, this is why we're here, if you're running total stock then i have no idea why you've come to XDA in the first place as you would be like a fish amongst land mammals.
Stock nexus 6 vs a stock htc device? I have no idea, truthfully, the nexus as it's lighter will probably be a quicker device so in that case i concur it would be, but as i've said, i'm not talking about a stock experience i'm talking about HTC vs ????? whatever, the way i have my phone set up is by far and away a quicker and more fluid phone than anything i've ever used, even my old S3 with Foxhounds rom would be quicker and more fluid than a nexus or even the next nexus, perhaps not but it gives you an indication of whats possible, I'm also more than happy to help people if they need it, if they want to make their phone as mine is or mimmick one of my set ups.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S4BJhIqPmJ0
My old s3, this phone flew, without modification this phone was awful, but, thanks to the dev's on XDA namely @raffaele88 it was made possible.
In regards to me being a fan boy, may i remind you that this is the HTC section of XDA developers, this is a place for people who love the HTC device, what did you expect to find within this location?
Being beyond presumptuous and blind to obviousness what is your point here? I fail to see it, if you've got a HTC device wouldn't that make you a fan boy too? If we aren't all fanboys here then something has gone very wrong for those people and they've bought the wrong device.
The primary reason why i have a soft spot for HTC devices and yes perhaps a little bit of a biased opinion is because HTC gave me my first android device and probably spawned the beginning of the android life with superb phones such as the Hero, Desire, Nexus One and the G1, lest we forget, without them we really wouldn't have the choices we have today, I guess some people don't feel as nostalgic as I do or as grateful when buying a device.
Lastly, the recents tab, again, i do not have any sort of lag whilst using my device, it's not lagging it's not jumping or "Snappy" it's just a quick phone, the same as every other device is once i've modded it and got it the way i like it, if you don't mod your phone then that's your journey, but if you make a claim that a device is not fluid or quick or anything else and you make that assumption in a place where people have just that then you really should expect those people to tell you that you're wrong, which is simply what i've done
EDIT: @toster jp if you're going to go on like that, i'll just tell you to see what i wrote above too.
If you're having these problems then you either don't know what you're doing or you're being beyond nitpicky.
Either way you're wrong.
And as for a stock experience, i was one of the original pledgers who has paid their amount even though i dont use stock no more.
Please do a bit of reading before you assume something http://forum.xda-developers.com/one-m9/general/bounty-htc-one-m9-aosp-cm12-1-camera-t3193175 I do not see your name on that list ? I was also the guy who realised that snap cameras api allows the usage of video recording when there was a problem with it, you're welcome
@dladz
Your last comment is such a mess. It also proves nothing and have no much sens to be honest. Your phone don't lag? Great - it doesn't mean that Your phone is fluid, and thats the point. You are just admitting that snapinnes equals to smoothnes for You. ( With animations turned out Your phone won't lag either is it smoooth now? )
Motorola is using modified stock, = its no longer stock android, its simple as that. And if You cannot see a difference betwen them then well, its just a good sign that You weren't using stock android much..
Also - details makes a difference. Details are part of user experience that You don't care much from what I can see.
Lastly, the recents tab, again, i do not have any sort of lag whilst using my device, it's not lagging it's not jumping or "Snappy" it's just a quick phone, the same as every other device is once i've modded it and got it the way i like it, if you don't mod your phone then that's your journey, but if you make a claim that a device is not fluid or quick or anything else and you make that assumption in a place where people have just that then you really should expect those people to tell you that you're wrong, which is simply what i've done
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And who doesn't mod their phone out there? If someone is wrong there its You and not us, but if You are satisfied with ' a quick phone without lags' then great for You. We just demend a bit more and yeah, we do care about those details that doesn't mater for You.
Please do a bit of reading before you assume something http://forum.xda-developers.com/one-...amera-t3193175 I do not see your name on that list ?
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You dont see my name on that list because I dont think that this device is worth even more money on it, 25bucks for s-off was enaugh for me That changes nothing anyway.
Btw, You are just trying to convince us that sense is smoother than pure android when its clearly not, and Your biggest points are that we are doing sth wrong couse Your phone isn't lagging? Or You are trying to convince us that details doesn't matter? Its just painful to read
In regards to me being a fan boy, may i remind you that this is the HTC section of XDA developers, this is a place for people who love the HTC device, what did you expect to find within this location? Being beyond presumptuous and blind to obviousness what is your point here? I fail to see it, if you've got a HTC device wouldn't that make you a fan boy too? If we aren't all fanboys here then something has gone very wrong for those people and they've bought the wrong device.
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XDA is not necesarly place for people who love HTC,( even in htc thread ) and no, owning HTC device doesn't make anybody a fanboy.
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