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Note 8.0 note taking vs 2014 10.1

So I'm thinking of picking up a Note 8.0, and would like to ask two questions before I do so.
1. Is the note taking quality (inking, lack of lag, etc.) on the 8.0 the same as the 2014 10.1 edition?
2. How is the screen quality on reading an ebook or PDF? Any pixelation?
Thanks in advance.

Han Solo 1 said:
So I'm thinking of picking up a Note 8.0, and would like to ask two questions before I do so.
1. Is the note taking quality (inking, lack of lag, etc.) on the 8.0 the same as the 2014 10.1 edition?
2. How is the screen quality on reading an ebook or PDF? Any pixelation?
Thanks in advance.
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1. Cannot compare as have not tried Edition 10.1, but if you mean free-hand note taking then I don't feel any lag/latency in s-note or write app as well as few others. There are some apps (vector) that have some lag, but that imo is more due to app internal issues than device itself. Handwriting recognition obviously has lag and latency by design.
2. My primary purpose is notes/drawing and lots of reading, and find it very good, (much better than having a secondary 24" HD monitor in portrait).
Unless you are reading very tiny(micro italic text) font rendering is very good. It also has setting of making text more legible (smoothing/anti-aliasing/ClearType) that also helps a bit.
Just get some decent book reader app and that's all. I can't tell any pixelation even with it as close as 3 inches from eyes and that I consider good enough for all practical purposes than pixel peeping/hunting. Sure there are some jagged edges if you look close for them but unnoticeable for any normal reading/viewing distance.
My only gripe is the aspect ratio with digital magazines I have subscriptions for. pdf /CBZ/CBR as those usually suit more to 4:3 than to 16:8 (white space in portrait fit width mode), but so is the issue with any other tab too samsung or otherwise other than the iPads).

Han Solo 1 said:
So I'm thinking of picking up a Note 8.0, and would like to ask two questions before I do so.
1. Is the note taking quality (inking, lack of lag, etc.) on the 8.0 the same as the 2014 10.1 edition?
2. How is the screen quality on reading an ebook or PDF? Any pixelation?
Thanks in advance.
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1. I like it a lot. I use for my College Courses many times. I also take pictures of handouts so I can keep it in my notes(I lose worksheets easily).
2. You can notice the pixels if you look closely. If you are reading normally it should not be a problem. I use it to read many textbooks and casual reading books.I also watch netflix very easily.
note 10.1 Should be better(That is why it is more expensive) but if you want just a to go tablet, Note 8.0 is for you
P.S.: If you can wait longer, Samsung will probably release a 2.0 version of the tablet. Should probably be much better.

Thanks for the responses!
I bought the 8.0 a few days ago, and while I like the compact design and the screen size, I can't get past the slight pixelation while viewing PDF's (I sold my retina mini to get this, so I'm used to a very good display).
I'm going to return it and go for the 10.1-14. I need a tablet for work and school, both of which require frequent note-taking and PDF annotation. I simply can't wait for an 8.0 refresh, since I only have 14 days to return.
Oh well.
Great tablet, almost perfect.

Han Solo 1 said:
Thanks for the responses!
I bought the 8.0 a few days ago, and while I like the compact design and the screen size, I can't get past the slight pixelation while viewing PDF's (I sold my retina mini to get this, so I'm used to a very good display).
I'm going to return it and go for the 10.1-14. I need a tablet for work and school, both of which require frequent note-taking and PDF annotation. I simply can't wait for an 8.0 refresh, since I only have 14 days to return.
Oh well.
Great tablet, almost perfect.
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I have both and the 10.1 2014 Edition is much better for constant note taking. The 10.1 is much snappier as well.

How does the battery life compare between the two?

FaeMinx said:
How does the battery life compare between the two?
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The Note 10.1 2014 has much better battery life.

Reader?

What do you owners think about using the tab as a reader?
I'm thinking about investing in either the 8.4 or the 10.1 as the reader. Simply for things like news articles, blogs, and maybe even using the Amazon Kindle app to read books. How much stress would it put on the eyes?

It's not stress on the eyes I would worry about...it's the weight of the device. The screens are mostly the same on these devices but the extra weight of a full size tablet might making extended reading sessions difficult. I would suggest getting the 8.4. I just upgraded to one from an LG G Pad and use it mostly for reading Kindle, Feedly, and Play Magazines.

I'm pretty sure there was a setting I saw that said Reading mode or something to that effect.
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mattskr said:
It's not stress on the eyes I would worry about...it's the weight of the device.
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I second this. The NotePro 12.2 is amazing for reading, I really like the sharpness of the text. Been using the Newsweek app a lot, read some magazines, comics, etc. View angles are good and you can adjust brighness easily.
There is the "reading mode" indeed but so far I don't see any difference when I turn it on and off.. not all apps support it.
The weight is indeed the problem, don't expect to be holding it up for long, as you would with a very light e-reader or a paper magazine. It will have to rest on your lap (even that way it can tire wrists a bit) or a stand.

I've tried all of the current 8" tablets for extended periods of time for reading. I own (or owned) the mini, the mini retina, the LG G Pad, the Samsung Tab 3 8", the Samsung Note 8", thus Asus Memo HD 8" and currently have the Tab Pro 8.4 on order.
I also had other slightly smaller tablets like the 7.7" Toshiba AT270 and the Samsung 7.7"
They all work fine for reading. Weight with a thin 8" tablet is negligble. In fact if you compare any of these to the top end reader available, the Kobo Aura HD, they only weigh on average about 100 grams more. That is not a big weight delta.
The Samsung tablets (the tab 3 8") and the new Tab Pro all have a reading mode. I used the Tab 3 8" for about 6 months and left it on by default. Wasn't really sure how it helped (or if it did at all).
Two things are important for reading under various conditions, max brightness/dimness and DPI. Max brightness is important if you are reading outside (one of the main reasons I got rid of the LG G Pad), max dimness is handy if you are reading in bed in the dark and don't want to wake up the wife with an 8" flashlight...
DPI, the higher the better as it increases the sharpness of text. As a reference, the Kobo Aura HD is 1440x1080 (6.8") with a DPI of 259. The Tab Pro has a 359 DPI....

I think 10.1 is the best size now that they're so light. I had an iPad 3 (retina) and then went for the first mini. Loved it for reading books, but not so much for Zino magazines, various PDFs that I needed, even web pages. Oh, heck, the occasional comic too. Just too small. I went to the iPad Air to get the size back after it hit 1lb. Two weeks ago i decided I was sick of iPhones and their size (I have big hands) and got a Nexus 5. Loved it so much I just sold the air and got the Tab Pro 10.1. I think the sharpness of current screens nullifies some of the 'lcd' tired eyes syndrome, and I've preferred the ability to turn to night mode in books to something like a paperwhite when it gets dark out.

100% i won't go with the 12in.
Still cannot decide if i want the 10 or 8.

If you are reading primarily books (as I do), there is no real benefit to a 10" tablet. It has more surface area than a page in a hard cover book.
If as mentioned above you read comics or magazines, the bigger surface area is handy.
The benefit of an 8" tablet is that it is extremely portable. I can fit mine into a pocket inside my coat. Try doing that with a 10" tablet...

Love my 8.4 for reading.
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RobilarOCN said:
I've tried all of the current 8" tablets for extended periods of time for reading. I own (or owned) the mini, the mini retina, the LG G Pad, the Samsung Tab 3 8", the Samsung Note 8", thus Asus Memo HD 8" and currently have the Tab Pro 8.4 on order.
I also had other slightly smaller tablets like the 7.7" Toshiba AT270 and the Samsung 7.7"
They all work fine for reading. Weight with a thin 8" tablet is negligble. In fact if you compare any of these to the top end reader available, the Kobo Aura HD, they only weigh on average about 100 grams more. That is not a big weight delta.
The Samsung tablets (the tab 3 8") and the new Tab Pro all have a reading mode. I used the Tab 3 8" for about 6 months and left it on by default. Wasn't really sure how it helped (or if it did at all).
Two things are important for reading under various conditions, max brightness/dimness and DPI. Max brightness is important if you are reading outside (one of the main reasons I got rid of the LG G Pad), max dimness is handy if you are reading in bed in the dark and don't want to wake up the wife with an 8" flashlight...
DPI, the higher the better as it increases the sharpness of text. As a reference, the Kobo Aura HD is 1440x1080 (6.8") with a DPI of 259. The Tab Pro has a 359 DPI....
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I like using a tablet for reading but I think you've made some unfair comparisons. First, the Aura HD is a "premium" ereader but if you look at the mainstream model, the Aura, you drop the weight from 240g to 174g. That puts the Tab Pro 8.4 at nearly double the weight (174g vs 331g). I use a 2012 Nexus 7 (340g, only slightly heavier than the Tab Pro 8.4)) and a Kindle Paperwhite (206g) for reading. The Nexus 7 is fine, but I will say that for long periods of use the lighter weight of the Paperwhite is much more comfortable. I often find myself leaning the Nexus 7 on something while I never have to do that with the Kindle. And comparing the DPI of an eInk screen vs an LCD doesn't give you a good benchmark of the text quality since they're using two vastly different rendering methods. For text alone I would take the eInk screen at the lower PPI over the LCD at the higher PPI.
That said, a tablet is much more versatile and can even be better for reading if you're not talking about eBooks but various web content as well.I would say the ideal tablet for reading depends a lot on what you plan on reading. If you read a lot of magazines, I might have to recommend something like the iPad Air as the size and aspect ratio make it great for magazines. If it's mostly web content a 10" Android tablet like the Tab Pro would be good since it most closely mimics a laptop display. If it's primarily eBooks the 7" tablets like the 2013 Nexus 7 are great for the lighter weight. Lastly, if you view more of a mix of the above, 8.4" is a great compromise.

Reading on the Note 10.1

Hi guys,
I current have a iPad mini retina. I love the tablet but it's not very functional and for $400, I would like something a little more useful to me. I am looking at the note 10.1; I have a Note 3 and I love it. I was wondering what the reading experience is like on this tablet. I read books and magazines quite a lot on my iPad and I really enjoy the experience. I just want to know if the note is too tall and narrow or really just too big overall. I'm really looking for a note 8 2 I guess but if they aren't coming out with that, a 10.1 might have to fit the bill.
Thanks

mattbaar said:
Hi guys,
I current have a iPad mini retina. I love the tablet but it's not very functional and for $400, I would like something a little more useful to me. I am looking at the note 10.1; I have a Note 3 and I love it. I was wondering what the reading experience is like on this tablet. I read books and magazines quite a lot on my iPad and I really enjoy the experience. I just want to know if the note is too tall and narrow or really just too big overall. I'm really looking for a note 8 2 I guess but if they aren't coming out with that, a 10.1 might have to fit the bill.
Thanks
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its quite sharp & crisp in reading. I prefer reading in landscape mode. Smooth, no lag in foxit pdf/adobe reader. Web browser is UC browser, thats fast & smooth for reading.
Can use reading mode which optimizes screen contrast but available in default apps. Night modes are also well lucid.
Try out some where for demo if you want to compare or feel it personally.

reading mode
tspatil001 said:
its quite sharp & crisp in reading. I prefer reading in landscape mode. Smooth, no lag in foxit pdf/adobe reader. Web browser is UC browser, thats fast & smooth for reading.
Can use reading mode which optimizes screen contrast but available in default apps. Night modes are also well lucid.
Try out some where for demo if you want to compare or feel it personally.
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Reading mode is available in all apps you define!
It's not only active on default samsung apps.
The ipad is better for reading, because the 4:3 screen format is more like a real book.
Reading comics fills the whole screen on the ipad.
On the otherway pdf is more handy on the note, because options can be displayed in portrait mode above and below the pdf without shrinking the pdf.

krotwijk said:
Reading mode is available in all apps you define!
It's not only active on default samsung apps.
The ipad is better for reading, because the 4:3 screen format is more like a real book.
Reading comics fills the whole screen on the ipad.
On the otherway pdf is more handy on the note, because options can be displayed in portrait mode above and below the pdf without shrinking the pdf.
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how to activated reading mode in Foxit pdf reader?
Also does Reading mode consumes more battery?

krotwijk said:
Reading mode is available in all apps you define!
It's not only active on default samsung apps.
The ipad is better for reading, because the 4:3 screen format is more like a real book.
Reading comics fills the whole screen on the ipad.
On the otherway pdf is more handy on the note, because options can be displayed in portrait mode above and below the pdf without shrinking the pdf.
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Actually that is incorrect. 16:10 is closer to almost every major book, magazine, and movie format than 4:3 is. Among the 10 most common book and magazine sizes 16:10 is closer to 6 of 10 than the ipad and with the exception of 2 the advantages of the ipad on the other 4 are minimal. The 6 the 16:10 is closer to are also the most common. After checking the Standard Comic book size (1:1.547) this is also Closer to 16:10 (10:16 or 1:16) than 4:3 (3:4 or 1:1.33). 4:3 is better for absolutely NOTHING besides old classic movies. That is it's one and only advantage. Ever period. it is outdated and we need to stop spreading this falsehood.
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tspatil001 said:
how to activated reading mode in Foxit pdf reader?
Also does Reading mode consumes more battery?
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In display -> Click on reading mode and in the right - up corner there is Edit button -> from there.

Rupar4o said:
In display -> Click on reading mode and in the right - up corner there is Edit button -> from there.
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ya, got it.:good:

[Q] I'm losing it. Can't decide.

I've been a flight crew member for 35 yrs. so obviously I am a decisive kind of guy. This decision has stumped me. Do I acquire the 8.4 or 10.5.?Seems pretty simple, right, WRONG. I have ordered then cancelled both models numerous times. I commute to work. If not on a jump seat, I may end up in a middle seat if I can't get into business class. I use my note 3 now and it's perfect so I think the 8.4 would be the perfect size for confined spaces. However, I want that big screen but concerned I won't use it and reach for my note when in a confined space.
I went to best buy and played with both but to no avail. I assume maybe some on here have had both and may be able to offer their enlightenment. I have read about the 10.5 being sharper do to the difference in the pixals in the screens. I have to admit I did notice this when playing with them and did find the 10.5 screen just seemed brighter and clearer. This was before I even read that some saw a difference. I'm new here as I just found this site and would like to thank all those who take the time to offer their opinions on these tabs. It has been a great help to me and I am sure others as well. Bill

Get the 10.5. In a confined space you will want to read in portrait and the 8.4 is too small for that. Also 10.5 seems to be having a better amoled screen experience than the 8.4. I owned the 8.4 Pro model and after a while I started to have a "big phone" experience. You want a tablet? Get a proper tablet, not a big phone.

mitchellvii said:
Get the 10.5. In a confined space you will want to read in portrait and the 8.4 is too small for that. Also 10.5 seems to be having a better amoled screen experience than the 8.4. I owned the 8.4 Pro model and after a while I started to have a "big phone" experience. You want a tablet? Get a proper tablet, not a big phone.
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Great point Mitch, I actually never thought of that. I do read quite alot on my current tab and phone, finding the phone too small so rarely do so any longer. I read another post of yours where you mentioned the"big phone" experience and I can see that happening to me especially since the note 3 already as an over 5" screen.

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Great point Mitch, I actually never thought of that. I do read quite alot on my current tab and phone, finding the phone too small so rarely do so any longer. I read another post of yours where you mentioned the"big phone" experience and I can see that happening to me especially since the note 3 already as an over 5" screen.
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If you are looking for the best possible media experience, get the 10.5. The 8.4 will feel redundant with your Note 3.

I just got the 8.4 and for me it is the perfect size. Reading even in portrait is not a problem at all, text seems plenty big. I really love that I can hold it in one hand easily, it's the perfect size to grip securely with your thumb on one side and your fingers on the other. Honestly it's all up to your personal preference, and budget. Personally I lean on the smaller screen size, my phone is the Galaxy S3 and the 4.8" screen on it is about as big as I want on a phone. A big screen is nice and all but you also have to think about convenience and how your going to be using it. I really expected the 8.4" screen to be smaller than it is, I was looking at the nexus 7 and even the Note 8.0 and thought those screens are a little small for a tablet(the big phone effect), but when I got the Tab S 8.4 and started using it I was like this screen is nice, seems really big especially since I'm used to the S3.

Loving the 8.4 since its more suitable for outdoor usage. Bigger sized is for home use.

Tab S 8.4 Question

Hello,
Im thinking of buying this today, My basic usuage will be for reading books,
Would this screen size be a issue for reading or should i go for 10.1 ?

veenab said:
Hello,
Im thinking of buying this today, My basic usuage will be for reading books,
Would this screen size be a issue for reading or should i go for 10.1 ?
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In my opinion. This is the perfect size for reading. That is one of my primary usages for the 8.4. Larger=heavier=lesser reading experience.

veenab said:
Hello,
Im thinking of buying this today, My basic usuage will be for reading books,
Would this screen size be a issue for reading or should i go for 10.1 ?
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Depends on what you are willing to read. For e-books, I'd actually aim at a 7" tablet that you can easily hold in one hand, which is not the case of the Tab S 8.4.
In e-books the fonts are scaleable, and an app such as Moon+ reader allows you to scroll the text as you read for optimized reading ergonomy. In my opinion, handling comfort is more important than screen size.
I personally use a 2nd gen Nexus 7, which is not only easier to manipulate but also offers a smoother scrolling than Tab S 8.4, but I beleive Huawei X1 to be an even better option for this usage.
If you are more interested in comics, then a larger screen will be more comfortable. 7" is good enough with scrolling, 8.4" is more comfortable but 10.5" is better for this usage as it allows to decently display a full page in portrait mode.

ukael said:
Depends on what you are willing to read. For e-books, I'd actually aim at a 7" tablet that you can easily hold in one hand, which is not the case of the Tab S 8.4.
In e-books the fonts are scaleable, and an app such as Moon+ reader allows you to scroll the text as you read for optimized reading ergonomy. In my opinion, handling comfort is more important than screen size.
I personally use a 2nd gen Nexus 7, which is not only easier to manipulate but also offers a smoother scrolling than Tab S 8.4, but I beleive Huawei X1 to be an even better option for this usage.
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The 2nd gen Nexus 7 got the same weight as the Tab S 8.4 or to be more precise, it's 290 g against 294 g. Besides that, the Tab S actually feels a bit lighter to me because the weight is more balanced in that slightly bigger device. I bought the Tab S last week after using the Nexus for a year for its better screen as well as the sd slot and the lack of multitouch issues (which plague all N7 2nd gen IMO more or less). Anyway, I did prefer 7" before the purchase but now I thing the (light weight) 8.4 device is a better compromise all around. The handling comfort is really around the same or for me a bit better on the Tab S and it is just as mobile (fits easily in the back pocket of my baggy jeans).
ukael said:
If you are more interested in comics, then a larger screen will be more comfortable. 7" is good enough with scrolling, 8.4" is more comfortable but 10.5" is better for this usage as it allows to decently display a full page in portrait mode.
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Yeah, Comixology as well as CBZ/CBR files profit allot from the noticeable size increase (still talking about N7 2k13 against Tab S 8.4). Plus the deep blacks (as well as the vibrant and adjustable colors) help with the large black parts in most comic art and keep the battery usage down.

TheGoD said:
The 2nd gen Nexus 7 got the same weight as the Tab S 8.4 or to be more precise, it's 290 g against 294 g. Besides that, the Tab S actually feels a bit lighter to me because the weight is more balanced in that slightly bigger device. I bought the Tab S last week after using the Nexus for a year for its better screen as well as the sd slot and the lack of multitouch issues (which plague all N7 2nd gen IMO more or less). Anyway, I did prefer 7" before the purchase but now I thing the (light weight) 8.4 device is a better compromise all around. The handling comfort is really around the same or for me a bit better on the Tab S and it is just as mobile (fits easily in the back pocket of my baggy jeans).
Yeah, Comixology as well as CBZ/CBR files profit allot from the noticeable size increase (still talking about N7 2k13 against Tab S 8.4). Plus the deep blacks (as well as the vibrant and adjustable colors) help with the large black parts in most comic art and keep the battery usage down.
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Interesting points you highlight here. The handling comfort seems to be a matter of personal preference. As far as I am concerned, I use the Nexus 7 without cover, and hold it in one hand when reading.
The Tab S is the same weight without cover, but I find it less comfortable to hold single handed. Worse, I find the samsung touchkeys to be a permanent annoyance when handling the tab without a cover, because its borders are so thin it's though to find a proper place to grip on it. I therefore use it exclusively with its top grade official cover, which is an awesome stand and improves handling but adds 50% weight and doesn't make it thinner for single handed use.
That and the fact the N7 offers a smoother experience on Moon+ Reader lead me to prefer it for ebooks reading. And I can't help thinking about how good the Huawei X1 with its 220g should be for this usage.
Now, I totally agree that the tab S's size is more versatile option. 8.4" is an excellent compromise that led me to completely give up on 10" tablets. But I'm not much of a comics reader, and don't care about the screen size for movies.

ukael said:
Depends on what you are willing to read. For e-books, I'd actually aim at a 7" tablet that you can easily hold in one hand, which is not the case of the Tab S 8.4.
In e-books the fonts are scaleable, and an app such as Moon+ reader allows you to scroll the text as you read for optimized reading ergonomy. In my opinion, handling comfort is more important than screen size.
I personally use a 2nd gen Nexus 7, which is not only easier to manipulate but also offers a smoother scrolling than Tab S 8.4, but I beleive Huawei X1 to be an even better option for this usage.
If you are more interested in comics, then a larger screen will be more comfortable. 7" is good enough with scrolling, 8.4" is more comfortable but 10.5" is better for this usage as it allows to decently display a full page in portrait mode.
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Not comics but my basically study material ( programming languagues,etc)
I already ordered a Tab S 8.4 on ebay,