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Had my SGSII for about 3 months now. Rooted the 1st week I brought it home. I've been flashing ROMs left and right, trying to find that certain one that best fits my lifestyle.
I've landed on the Darkside, and found my flavor there.
Because of "all this talk" about ICS, and only going (OTA) to unlocked un-rooted phones. I've successfully un-rooted, and went back to stock.
With all the benefits of having a phone rooted (nandroid backup, uninstalling bloatware), i ended up asking myself "WHY". Why do I really need to be rooted. The only time i ever do a nandroid backup is when I flash a new ROM. After much consideration, I ended realizing that the ONLY main reason I want my phone rooted is to re-place the Gmail.apk in the system's folder to a modded Gmail.apk - so I can put my unread count widget on my home screen.
Yeah yeah yeah.. i know there is a apk in the market named "Google Unread Count 2.0", but it doesn't read your unread count email in real-time. It takes a few minutes for the widget to update.
Other, than that there really is no pressing reason to have my phone rooted.
Now for the OTA update waiting game..
lawalty said:
Had my SGSII for about 3 months now. Rooted the 1st week I brought it home. I've been flashing ROMs left and right, trying to find that certain one that best fits my lifestyle.
I've landed on the Darkside, and found my flavor there.
Because of "all this talk" about ICS, and only going (OTA) to unlocked un-rooted phones. I've successfully un-rooted, and went back to stock.
With all the benefits of having a phone rooted (nandroid backup, uninstalling bloatware), i ended up asking myself "WHY". Why do I really need to be rooted. The only time i ever do a nandroid backup is when I flash a new ROM. After much consideration, I ended realizing that the ONLY main reason I want my phone rooted is to re-place the Gmail.apk in the system's folder to a modded Gmail.apk - so I can put my unread count widget on my home screen.
Yeah yeah yeah.. i know there is a apk in the market named "Google Unread Count 2.0", but it doesn't read your unread count email in real-time. It takes a few minutes for the widget to update.
Other, than that there really is no pressing reason to have my phone rooted.
Now for the OTA update waiting game..
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Why not?... yet better question.
lawalty said:
Had my SGSII for about 3 months now. Rooted the 1st week I brought it home. I've been flashing ROMs left and right, trying to find that certain one that best fits my lifestyle.
I've landed on the Darkside, and found my flavor there.
Because of "all this talk" about ICS, and only going (OTA) to unlocked un-rooted phones. I've successfully un-rooted, and went back to stock.
With all the benefits of having a phone rooted (nandroid backup, uninstalling bloatware), i ended up asking myself "WHY". Why do I really need to be rooted. The only time i ever do a nandroid backup is when I flash a new ROM. After much consideration, I ended realizing that the ONLY main reason I want my phone rooted is to re-place the Gmail.apk in the system's folder to a modded Gmail.apk - so I can put my unread count widget on my home screen.
Yeah yeah yeah.. i know there is a apk in the market named "Google Unread Count 2.0", but it doesn't read your unread count email in real-time. It takes a few minutes for the widget to update.
Other, than that there really is no pressing reason to have my phone rooted.
Now for the OTA update waiting game..
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To each their own but there are many more reasons to root other than a Gmail.apk. If your waiting on an OTA ICS update you will be waiting awhile longer. But again to each their own.
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lawalty said:
Had my SGSII for about 3 months now. Rooted the 1st week I brought it home. I've been flashing ROMs left and right, trying to find that certain one that best fits my lifestyle.
I've landed on the Darkside, and found my flavor there.
Because of "all this talk" about ICS, and only going (OTA) to unlocked un-rooted phones. I've successfully un-rooted, and went back to stock.
With all the benefits of having a phone rooted (nandroid backup, uninstalling bloatware), i ended up asking myself "WHY". Why do I really need to be rooted. The only time i ever do a nandroid backup is when I flash a new ROM. After much consideration, I ended realizing that the ONLY main reason I want my phone rooted is to re-place the Gmail.apk in the system's folder to a modded Gmail.apk - so I can put my unread count widget on my home screen.
Yeah yeah yeah.. i know there is a apk in the market named "Google Unread Count 2.0", but it doesn't read your unread count email in real-time. It takes a few minutes for the widget to update.
Other, than that there really is no pressing reason to have my phone rooted.
Now for the OTA update waiting game..
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Gonna be a loooooooooong wait my friend.
Btw, I can't imagine android without root, (rooted since the g1).
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Nothing wrong with stock...stable, fairly fast. But don't hold your breath for ICS...
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I find it amusing that the only justifiable reason for you to root is a modded gmail
There are so many reasons to root it's not even a question of "why".
How about Carrier IQ? Or full control over Theming? Custom Kernels, build.prop, CWM Touch Recovery? You can't be serious about a gmail notification being the sole reason for rooting.
Oh and btw, if you haven't learned this yet, you may want to pay attention:
Once the update starts rolling out to the general public, the official version will be leaked on xda and you will be able to flash through CWM. I'm sure within days there will also be a rooted stock version as well. This will be well BEFORE you get the OTA.
So, if you want to give up control of your device just to wait longer for something that hasn't even officially been announced yet, more power to you. Say hi to Carrier IQ for me
u not the only I haven't rooted my sgs2 yet, waiting on the official ics update.
What is the point of this thread? Who cares if you root or not.
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u not the only I haven't rooted my sgs2 yet, waiting on the official ics update.
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Who said it's even coming to your phone, just because Samsung said it's now being sent OTA does NOT mean you will get it. The fact that you have a carrier branded phone means that Tmobile will get it's hands on it first then do it's wonderful (sarcasm) magic and bloat it with there apps like Tmobile TV and so on. Then IF they choose to make it available they will send it there's NO time frame on that. All I have to do it's point out the Tmobile's version of the Samsung Galaxy S, the Vibrant, which NEVER got Gingerbread like the other Galaxy S phone that did. Samsung announced and released an OTA for the Galaxy S but Tmobile in there infinite wisdom chose NOT to release it to the Vibrant. So just because Samsung announced and is sending a OTA ICS does NOT mean you're going to get it. You will have to WAIT for your carrier IF and when they announce it, PERIOD!
Though it may only he available to stock unrooted users, its often a matter of a few days to get an rooted stock rom up so thats not an issue for me
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Though it may only he available to stock unrooted users, its often a matter of a few days to get an rooted stock rom up so thats not an issue for me
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You should read the thread before posting...someone already said what you said.
"Once the update starts rolling out to the general public, the official version will be leaked on xda and you will be able to flash through CWM. I'm sure within days there will also be a rooted stock version as well. This will be well BEFORE you get the OTA."
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I find it amusing that the only justifiable reason for you to root is a modded gmail
There are so many reasons to root it's not even a question of "why".
How about Carrier IQ? Or full control over Theming? Custom Kernels, build.prop, CWM Touch Recovery? You can't be serious about a gmail notification being the sole reason for rooting.
Oh and btw, if you haven't learned this yet, you may want to pay attention:
Once the update starts rolling out to the general public, the official version will be leaked on xda and you will be able to flash through CWM. I'm sure within days there will also be a rooted stock version as well. This will be well BEFORE you get the OTA.
So, if you want to give up control of your device just to wait longer for something that hasn't even officially been announced yet, more power to you. Say hi to Carrier IQ for me
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Within hours there will be a stock Deodexed rooted tar and CWM zip.. I know this because I'm going to be doing it lol. Have my ics working folder ready to rock.
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Wtf... This guy trying to make a documentary of his personal phone desires..as said previously who cares what you decide to do with your phone...we don't need to be informed your un rooting and waiting... If that's what you choose do be it but y in the hell would you think we need to know, or much less care
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personally, i like the ability to get into the rooted side of es file explorer to modify the build prop, change lcd density, insert init.d script edit for better battery life. hell, how about undervolting the kernel with oc apps to get upwards of 24 hours out of a single charge? also, while the tmo roms are good, they cant hold a candle to the 2.3.5 roms from ATT...i dont know what it is but those roms run like a dream on this snapdragon soc.
final thought - I love tmo, dont get me wrong, but if you think that tmo will be the first to get ics ota then maybe you know something i dont. considering that, i hypothesize that ics (or even cm9) will be available for flashy goodness long before its ever beamed to our phones.
ingenious247 said:
I find it amusing that the only justifiable reason for you to root is a modded gmail
There are so many reasons to root it's not even a question of "why".
How about Carrier IQ? Or full control over Theming? Custom Kernels, build.prop, CWM Touch Recovery? You can't be serious about a gmail notification being the sole reason for rooting.
Oh and btw, if you haven't learned this yet, you may want to pay attention:
Once the update starts rolling out to the general public, the official version will be leaked on xda and you will be able to flash through CWM. I'm sure within days there will also be a rooted stock version as well. This will be well BEFORE you get the OTA.
So, if you want to give up control of your device just to wait longer for something that hasn't even officially been announced yet, more power to you. Say hi to Carrier IQ for me
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Very good point.. I forgot about the Carrier IQ.
cbinvb said:
personally, i like the ability to get into the rooted side of es file explorer to modify the build prop, change lcd density, insert init.d script edit for better battery life. hell, how about undervolting the kernel with oc apps to get upwards of 24 hours out of a single charge? also, while the tmo roms are good, they cant hold a candle to the 2.3.5 roms from ATT...i dont know what it is but those roms run like a dream on this snapdragon soc.
final thought - I love tmo, dont get me wrong, but if you think that tmo will be the first to get ics ota then maybe you know something i dont. considering that, i hypothesize that ics (or even cm9) will be available for flashy goodness long before its ever beamed to our phones.
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i also forgot about undervolting.. another good point.
bobby3306 said:
Wtf... This guy trying to make a documentary of his personal phone desires..as said previously who cares what you decide to do with your phone...we don't need to be informed your un rooting and waiting... If that's what you choose do be it but y in the hell would you think we need to know, or much less care
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Ah... what a troll. If u don't like my thread, then git!
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Nope not a troll, just don't see where what you personally do with your
phone matters to anyone else...another pointless waste of space thread started
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ingenious247 said:
I find it amusing that the only justifiable reason for you to root is a modded gmail
There are so many reasons to root it's not even a question of "why".
How about Carrier IQ? Or full control over Theming? Custom Kernels, build.prop, CWM Touch Recovery? You can't be serious about a gmail notification being the sole reason for rooting.
Oh and btw, if you haven't learned this yet, you may want to pay attention:
Once the update starts rolling out to the general public, the official version will be leaked on xda and you will be able to flash through CWM. I'm sure within days there will also be a rooted stock version as well. This will be well BEFORE you get the OTA.
So, if you want to give up control of your device just to wait longer for something that hasn't even officially been announced yet, more power to you. Say hi to Carrier IQ for me
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Relax... You sound like he stood you up on a date
I also havent rooted since getting my replacement phone... The phone is great without it and 75% of the roms and themes are the same thing just a dif battery mod or kernel (not many choices on this phone) I just think rooting isnt that big of a deal anymore since phones are becoming more powerful
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bobby3306 said:
Nope not a troll, just don't see where what you personally do with your
phone matters to anyone else...another pointless waste of space thread started
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To each their own. Opinions are like armpits. Everyone has them, and some (like your comments) simply stink.
If you don't have anything to give to benefit, then get the [email protected]#k out of my thread, and stop trolling, or i'll report you.
I mean it.
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Guys I put a case on my phone today. I know some of you guys don't use them but I don't see why you don't.
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Guys I put a case on my phone today. I know some of you guys don't use them but I don't see why you don't.
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what kind of case?
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My GS3 is still 100% stock, I have not even installed the T-mobile pushed update yet, I keep postponing it. So I'm 100% ICS 4.0.4 stock out of the box. I've added a bunch of widgets and stuff like that, but I have not rooted.
I had been using an iPhone(s) for the last 4+ years, dabbling with the occasional Android device, until I got the GS3 from T-mobile, and getting 4G speeds is amazing, especially after being in EDGE LIMBO on the iPhone for so long.
So the core of my question is WHY ROOT. Rooting is NOT like Jailbreaking an iPhone, since it seems like I can pretty much do 99% of anything with the phone without rooting. To me, seems that rooting only offers the AdBlock feature and WiFi tether option, then the ability to flash roms - and it seems like Flashing roms on this device can introduce problems like loss of IMEI and I've seen some reports of 4G no longer working or slowing down from the stock speeds.
Forgive me, because I know iPhone chatter gets peoples blood boiling over here, but that's what I have to compare against, my experience with rooted android devices are pretty limited.
SO: Without making this message long and boring - What are the serious advantages to rooting? And is it worth it? And at the risk of sounding like a jerk, I'm not a phone noob, just an android noob. I've had smart phones for A LONG TIME, all the way back to the Nokia Symbian phones...................
Some information if anyone cares, and just in case this info influences the information.
I'm in T-mobile USA. I've got the unlimited data/1st 2Gb at 4g plan.
Stock out of the box GS3 16gb model (32gb sdcard)
Primarily a Widnows user, but my MacBook air is dual bootcamped - but I use Windows 7 99% of the time
On my previous android phone (LG Thrill/optimus) which I rooted, the adblock thingy prevented me from viewing many of my emails which I do browse - like Newegg, Amazon, Groupon. They were all considered spam/ad's I guess?
I don't *THINK* having a Wifi hotspot would be something I'd ever use, but you never know.
My T-mobile plan was ancient until last year when I switched to a more modern plan that offered 4G instead of only t-zones, and I do not have the hotspot option - so I can't do hotspot without rooting (at least I think I can't)
Don't get me wrong, I'm not afraid of rooting, just wondering if there is any significant advantage? While I like the idea of flashing roms, most of the time I'm not a fan of beta testing stuff... like I heard CM10 was awesome, but apparently there were issues with the camera app not working 100% of the time........ that's not acceptable to me, especially since I have a new grandbaby and snap TONS of pictures now a days.
On another phone I had, which was a Samsung galaxy S 4g (small tiny t-mobile phone) and as I recall the LG thrill too, by modifying the build prop you could increase the hsdpa+ settings and get better data access at faster rates.......? Not sure if there is any way to get faster data speeds on the GS3?
Well, I guess that's enough for now............................. Any help would be appreciated.
I found jailbreaking iOS to be pointless. But feel the opposite about rooting Android. But the thing I like the most about Android doesn't even require root; flashing new firmware. Today I'm running CM10, tomorrow I'm running AOKP. Because I can. Rooting facilitates my addiction.
If you root, Android is your playground. Titanium Backup is amazing if you like to flash new firmware (I use it differently from CWM nandroids). Root Explorer gives you total control over your file system. AdFree to block ads, as you mentioned. Terminal Emulator (all the fun commands require su). Making a fully touch-based game work with an XBox360 controller.
Maybe rooting isn't right for you. But it takes two minutes and has zero downsides. Back up your IMEI before you start flashing (Terminal Emulator > su > reboot nvbackup).
With root u can control things like cpu speed, and voltage table (and if you have a custom kernel you can overclock)
You can also freeze apps you don't need, access files you normally wouldn't be able to like /etc/hosts to block ads.
You can also install some fun apps that require root like dsploit and droidsheep lol
Rooting opens up your phone to do a lot more.
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Aerowinder said:
I found jailbreaking iOS to be pointless. But feel the opposite about rooting Android. But the thing I like the most about Android doesn't even require root; flashing new firmware. Today I'm running CM10, tomorrow I'm running AOKP. Because I can. Rooting facilitates my addiction.
If you root, Android is your playground. Titanium Backup is amazing if you like to flash new firmware (I use it differently from CWM nandroids). Root Explorer gives you total control over your file system. AdFree to block ads, as you mentioned. Terminal Emulator (all the fun commands require su). Making a fully touch-based game work with an XBox360 controller.
Maybe rooting isn't right for you. But it takes two minutes and has zero downsides. Back up your IMEI before you start flashing (Terminal Emulator > su > reboot nvbackup).
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thanks for the info in Ur signature Hun, I found it very helpful
Hmm. optimization and longer battery life of custom ROMs. Uhh expirement with changing radio to get better signal.
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ayeitschris said:
Hmm. optimization and longer battery life of custom ROMs. Uhh expirement with changing radio to get better signal
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Don't need root for either of those.
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Don't need root for either of those.
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Technically no.. but rooting usually comes hand in hand with those things.
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It gives you more options. Such as switching between touchwiz ROMs and CM10/AOSP/AOPK. Flashing custom kernels & radios for better performance/battery life.
So you can back up your stars in bad piggies. And delete stupid system apps.
***REMOVE BLOATWARE****....main reason I rooted ..and still stock LOL
To gain full control over the android device.
With everything else said above I'd like to add "the ability to install custom members apps that do more" and other apps in the app store that require root such as call blockers which I love.
Not really. I've been back and forth between stock and pretty much every rom. Currently I got tired of f'ing with my phone and I'm on stock and I plan to stay there until CM10 is stable and has better battery life.
When I first got my s3 I to didn't see a huge gain in rooting since they came out with apps like Foxfi that allow wireless tethering without root and having the latest ICS was great but having the options too use titanium backup to backup all of my apps and their data and upload it to a cloud service and using other root apps like CPU sleeper and ROM tool box to under clock my CPU so I can save my battery rooting your phone is just for more convenient controls over the normal if you feel like you don't need to root then don't you still have a great phone
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maxcaos said:
When I first got my s3 I to didn't see a huge gain in rooting since they came out with apps like Foxfi that allow wireless tethering without root and having the latest ICS was great but having the options too use titanium backup to backup all of my apps and their data and upload it to a cloud service and using other root apps like CPU sleeper and ROM tool box to under clock my CPU so I can save my battery rooting your phone is just for more convenient controls over the normal if you feel like you don't need to root then don't you still have a great phone
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You need some punctuation in your life.
I've tried a few custom roms on this phone, don't really see a need for them though. They all have one issue or another with them. Might go back to stock to compare battery life.
kitsunisan said:
You need some punctuation in your life.
I've tried a few custom roms on this phone, don't really see a need for them though. They all have one issue or another with them. Might go back to stock to compare battery life.
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One sentence paragraphs and fragments, really?
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One sentence paragraphs and fragments, really?
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Really.
Well i rooted mine because I wanted to disable a few bloatware, and also some apps in market will not fully function without root. I'm not much of a flashaholic, I've stayed with just a rooted stock..
I'm just sayin!
Flashing wicked v6 is worth rooting alone. Also for better phone performance as said earlier. But devices are finally getting good enough where you dont need to root necessarily. This is the first phone Ive had in a while where I didnt root immediately because it was very nice stock.
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Everyone wants to unlock their bootloader so they can run a custom ROM, the supposed purpose being to improve performance and gain new features. But then, once they get the new ROM on there, they keep posting about all the problems they are having, and how this, that or the other doesn't work as well as stock. After goofing with every, and I mean EVERY ROM available for the Razr M, IMHO there's absolutely no reason to use a custom ROM if you are expecting "like stock" performance. It's fun, it's addicting, it can get crazy sometimes, but don't expect it to ever be "Final". More than likely, it will be abandoned the moment a new phone or Android version comes along, and you'll be left with all those unsolved FCs and "almost works" features left hanging. Sad, really.
And then there's the whole "let's take the stock ROM from some other phone entirely and try to make it work on our phone" thing. I totally don't get that. If you like the Necco Choco-Android-o-rama's OS so well, why not just buy that phone instead? I'm just sayin'...
Rooting? That's totally different. I don't know what they do in other countries for bloatware, but Verizon certainly loads up some stinker software here in the US. Tell me, unless you're really into that sort of thing, why would the average shmoe care about Zappos? I certainly don't! And, if I wanted an app for NFL football, I'm perfectly capable of picking one from Google Play, yeah? Same with all the Amazon shtuff. Yeah I get it, advertising helps cover manufacturing costs, and all that jazz. Sure they do it to every new PC from Brand Name X too, but at least you can uninstall it. So rooting is sort of revenge for hogging my limited storage space and then limiting my ability to do anything about it.
And since I'm on this rant anyway, please... PLEASE!!! No more of this "Let's see if we can make our Android look like an iPhone" crap. Or worse, "Windows 8 Phone" crap! - Ewww! That's like taking a Jaguar and trying to make it look like a Ford Pinto... you might manage it, but who the heck would want it?
This rant has been a Public Service Announcement. The thoughts and views expressed herein are not to be considered... period. :silly:
You said it!
I linked to this from my restore where I have a commentary section.
I totally agree. Don't flash ROMs if your going to complain. Its one thing to report to the devs and quite another to ***** about it. And good on ya for the entire rant.
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I really hope the motox stock can be ported.
It would be a big event if he & others did it.
I thank them on each post.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2412427
I originally rooted and unlocked my bootloader on this phone because of the screen shake issue that a Motorola introduced in an update if that didn't happen I may not of rooted the phone its stock ROM has such a good layout its no wonder so many complain. I however knew what I was getting into. Rule of thumb to new flashers backups are your friend and don't piss off the developers.
I like stock... de-bloat it and its good to go... just wish I could find something to mod the navi bar... remove the recent apps button replace it with the menu button and change color of it...
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well, the main reason why folks are not as excited about the new ROMs, is b/c there are not any ground-breaking features on the 4.2.2 or 4.3 operating systems. When I got my first android, I had Froyo. Folks were dying to get to Gingerbread in order to vastly increase performance/battery life.
the deal with Jelly Bean, is that the upgrade from stock 4.1.2 to 4.2.2 or 4.3 is minimal at best - and the changes are mostly aesthetics (although, I read that 4.3 has better bluetooth connectivity). but mostly, 4.2.2/4.3 are primarily geared towards tablets.
the race is on now to see what KitKat can bring to current phone users.
in terms of improvements, just as radorix said, these custom ROMs eliminated the shakes that I was getting on 4.1.2. so for me, while that was not a huge deal, it's enough for me to go custom.
personally, I like the tiles layout of 4.2.2 as well as the AOKP customization, so I'll stick with that for now given that my battery life/performance is stock-like.
*claps* You said it. The Razr M has actually been the first Android phone I owned where I've kept the stock ROM. I think it does fine with 4.1.2 atm, and if I really wanted a change I'd probably just theme it.
The only thing that matters to me is stability and speed. I like a fast phone and I like to o/c, push the phone. I like to test things and try to understand its problems rather than build myself because I don't have the time. If I can find the right medium between speed and stability it becomes my dd, naturally. But stock was built for a reason and every now and then I go back to 4.1.2 because I miss some of the features. Like the far left quick settings menu and Circle Clock. Why have to find a work around to add all these features and fixes to a reimagined custom OS that causes more problems when its already working? We wouldn't have anything to work with if we didn't have the source to start at!
Couldn't agree more. I've had 9 different android devices in the past 4 years. Only ones I haven't rooted are my Sony tablet s (original, don't even get me started with their abandonment of this thing, hey let's leave bugs, make a seemingly unlockable boot loader, not share any code, abandon it after realizing all the bugs exist, then support everything we make after it) and my original nexus 7. I too came back to a stock debloated deodexed ROM for the RAZR M.
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JPHoller said:
Couldn't agree more. I've had 9 different android devices in the past 4 years. Only ones I haven't rooted are my Sony tablet s (original, don't even get me started with their abandonment of this thing, hey let's leave bugs, make a seemingly unlockable boot loader, not share any code, abandon it after realizing all the bugs exist, then support everything we make after it) and my original nexus 7. I too came back to a stock debloated deodexed ROM for the RAZR M.
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Lol. Not the only Sammy device they've dropped. Heard of the Galaxy Player 4.2?
Oh and ezknives, you do realize the menu button is completely redundant right? Considering it pops up if needed and isn't even supported/required for Holo apps
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sloosecannon said:
Lol. Not the only Sammy device they've dropped. Heard of the Galaxy Player 4.2?
Oh and ezknives, you do realize the menu button is completely redundant right? Considering it pops up if needed and isn't even supported/required for Holo apps
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Not for me... with-in various apps it does not... when on different ROMs and I removed the multitasking feature and replaced it with a menu key I was able to utilize features that was other wise inaccessible... like deleting messages in Facebook app for instance... that cannot be done without a menu button or opening your browser and requesting the desktop site... I just need my menu key its never there when I need it...and I don't know what halo apps are nor use it I don't believe...
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Not for me... with-in various apps it does not... when on different ROMs and I removed the multitasking feature and replaced it with a menu key I was able to utilize features that was other wise inaccessible... like deleting messages in Facebook app for instance... that cannot be done without a menu button or opening your browser and requesting the desktop site... I just need my menu key its never there when I need it...and I don't know what halo apps are nor use it I don't believe...
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Holo means apps designed for android 4.0+.
It's the ICS+ ui style. There should be a way to access the menu without a dedicated button - either built-in or by telling the system it's a legacy app that needs the settings button to appear
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Everyone wants to unlock their bootloader so they can run a custom ROM, the supposed purpose being to improve performance and gain new features. But then, once they get the new ROM on there, they keep posting about all the problems they are having, and how this, that or the other doesn't work as well as stock. After goofing with every, and I mean EVERY ROM available for the Razr M, IMHO there's absolutely no reason to use a custom ROM if you are expecting "like stock" performance. It's fun, it's addicting, it can get crazy sometimes, but don't expect it to ever be "Final". More than likely, it will be abandoned the moment a new phone or Android version comes along, and you'll be left with all those unsolved FCs and "almost works" features left hanging. Sad, really.
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Meh. I disagree. I've been running CM since it went official and I haven't had any complaints. I experience much-better-than-stock performance and battery life, plus it is way more customizable. I love it!
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Meh. I disagree. I've been running CM since it went official and I haven't had any complaints. I experience much-better-than-stock performance and battery life, plus it is way more customizable. I love it!
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I just tried it again. Froze on reboot, wouldn't let me into recovery, same BS as all the 4.3 versions. And I wrote the book, well thread, on how to install it, so yeah I wiped etc.
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i'm enjoying better than stock performance on the stable 4.2.2 branch, and i built a custom kernel for CM10.1 for better performance. I tried the 'stock' life and its boring lol. The custom ROM features and better performance are what makes it worth it in my view. 4.3 will be even better as work is continually being done on it, and it hasn't been out that long. Also, I think we need to give appreciation to the devs for giving us options as far as what we can run on this phone compared to being stuck with only one choice.
CM is getting good. Recently the "display freezing" issue got fixed, also more fixes for cardock audio and wifi. It simply takes a while to get it all done properly (with that what's left is SIM I/O and HDR (works with Moto X camera application)).
@netizenmt: Booting to recovery is not affected by the ROM you have installed, so you screwed up the installation at some point.
Skrilax_CZ said:
CM is getting good. Recently the "display freezing" issue got fixed, also more fixes for cardock audio and wifi. It simply takes a while to get it all done properly (with that what's left is SIM I/O and HDR (works with Moto X camera application)).
@netizenmt: Booting to recovery is not affected by the ROM you have installed, so you screwed up the installation at some point.
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Would you offer a build for a Bluetooth phone user that has the SD swap working?
One that might quiet this thread?
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I just tried it again. Froze on reboot, wouldn't let me into recovery, same BS as all the 4.3 versions. And I wrote the book, well thread, on how to install it, so yeah I wiped etc.
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There are a few tricks to getting 4.3 installed and running but it will never happen if u just quite and go back to stock before u get it up and running correctly. I had a terrible time getting 4.3 to boot, keyboard forcing close, stability etc but I figured all that out and wouldn't think of going back to stock. The amount and way if partions the internal drive alone will keep me from ever going back to stock.
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There are a few tricks to getting 4.3 installed and running but it will never happen if u just quite and go back to stock before u get it up and running correctly. I had a terrible time getting 4.3 to boot, keyboard forcing close, stability etc but I figured all that out and wouldn't think of going back to stock. The amount and way if partions the internal drive alone will keep me from ever going back to stock.
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You actually just made my whole point.
While it's cool you had time, patience, skill and effort to resolve your issues with 4.3, that's not the point of this thread. So do I. The point is, if you think you're going to slap one of these ROMs on and everything is going to work like stock, forget it. If that's what someone expects, they should stick to stock.
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I've read tons of issues with KitKat on the Note 3. People have been complaining about:
1) Battery drains
2) Constant restarts
3) Issues with WiFi calling
4) Trouble getting flash to work
5) Problems with non-Samsung Window Cases
6) Major issues getting non-OEM apps to write to the SD Card
7) Changes to the bootloader making it impossible to revert back to Jellybean if you wanted to
With all that known what are the ADVANATGES of updating? I read the font is different and you get full screen art on the lock screen for the music player. Why would somone update to KitKat when you lose so much and gain so little?
I agree kitkat is a sellout compared to jellybean.
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I've read tons of issues with KitKat on the Note 3. People have been complaining about:
1) Battery drains
2) Constant restarts
3) Issues with WiFi calling
4) Trouble getting flash to work
5) Problems with non-Samsung Window Cases
6) Major issues getting non-OEM apps to write to the SD Card
7) Changes to the bootloader making it impossible to revert back to Jellybean if you wanted to
With all that known what are the ADVANATGES of updating? I read the font is different and you get full screen art on the lock screen for the music player. Why would somone update to KitKat when you lose so much and gain so little?
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I've only had issues with #1.
#4, flash, I'm assuming you're talking that antiquated, discontinued web crap by adobe. Not an issue or concern for me.
2,3 I've not had issues with.
5? I don't have any like that, but supposedly there's a fix if you're rooted.
6, if you're rooted, there's a very simple fix.
7, yeah but don't care.
Advantages... Cause it's there. it's the latest and greatest... LOL, ok, so it's not a real advantage I guess.
I have had no issues with my Note 3 except for #6, which is a Google thing...
My note 3 came with KK out of the box, tho. Dunno if that makes a difference.
Question about #6. Is that like, if you have a 3rd party Camera app...it won't save the pics to the external SD? Like there is an option in the app...but it just won't save? Also, it is a KK on Note 3 problem?
OP is misleading. Only the Jizzer kitkat roms are sucky. CM, BeanStalk, GE and others are fine - no excess battery drain, full signal, no random reboots, no Samsung crapware all over the place. KitKat is a huge success aside from those Samsung TW abominations.
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OP is misleading. Only the Jizzer kitkat roms are sucky. CM, BeanStalk, GE and others are fine - no excess battery drain, full signal, no random reboots, no Samsung crapware all over the place. KitKat is a huge success aside from those Samsung TW abominations.
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Tell those people complaining on the T-Mobile Forums that took and installed the OTA KitKat upgrade that their issues are just in their heads. If you have to root your phone to gain back functionality that was on the phone before you updated then the update is horrible. They are calling it the KitKat virus. But I am sure they are just crazy. Take two non-rooted phones. One on Jelly Bean one on KitKat. Which one will let your third party apps write to the sd card and which one will not. Now tell me which version of Android is better.
There are no advantages. At times you could say perhaps it's more secure to avoid viruses. But that's about it. It's junk.
...As I was just about to go kk...upon reading numerous posts all throughout....there are no practical advantages Lol. Why why why release such a crap update? At least make it worth while. What a waste of such a great name kk on a useless release.
Sent from the King of phablets, none else than the Note 3.
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OP is misleading. Only the Jizzer kitkat roms are sucky. CM, BeanStalk, GE and others are fine - no excess battery drain, full signal, no random reboots, no Samsung crapware all over the place. KitKat is a huge success aside from those Samsung TW abominations.
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Um, he mentioned AOSP ROMs as being huge successes. KitKat is amazing when it comes to AOSP, and TW as always is ****. The issues aren't in their heads, they're real, but it's not hard to fix it.
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Tell those people complaining on the T-Mobile Forums that took and installed the OTA KitKat upgrade that their issues are just in their heads. If you have to root your phone to gain back functionality that was on the phone before you updated then the update is horrible. They are calling it the KitKat virus. But I am sure they are just crazy. Take two non-rooted phones. One on Jelly Bean one on KitKat. Which one will let your third party apps write to the sd card and which one will not. Now tell me which version of Android is better.
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CM/AOSP KitKat roms don't have the issues you're complaining about. OTA Samsung crapware is still Samsung crapware. Reading comprehension ftw.
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CM/AOSP KitKat roms don't have the issues you're complaining about. OTA Samsung crapware is still Samsung crapware. Reading comprehension ftw.
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I am specifically talking about unrooted unmodified Jelly bean on the Note seeing how you don't have to do anything to enable the ability to write to the sd card on a stock note 3 where you do on the a stock kitkat note 3. Allow me to quote myself:
Take two non-rooted phones. One on Jelly Bean one on KitKat. Which one will let your third party apps write to the sd card and which one will not. Now tell me which version of Android is better.
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If you have to root the phone and modifiy it to get back functionality lost that is a problem. Sounds like you need some reading comprehension yourself. :good:
KitKat was more of a prank for Note 3 owners than an upgrade.
Reduced functionality, zero benefit.
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I am specifically talking about unrooted unmodified Jelly bean on the Note seeing how you don't have to do anything to enable the ability to write to the sd card on a stock note 3 where you do on the a stock kitkat note 3. Allow me to quote myself:
If you have to root the phone and modifiy it to get back functionality lost that is a problem. Sounds like you need some reading comprehension yourself. :good:
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Download Total Commander and it will allow you to write/rename to the SD Card.
How can us kitkat users go back to the previous version? I'd like to have vpn working again plus i'd like to not have tethering use up my limited tethering data.
I am rooted right now and adjusting the dun string settings.db doesn't fix it. Whenever i tether with another device even using another phone or googlebots it still goes up and data is counted as mobile hotspot usage.
15% faster
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I am specifically talking about unrooted unmodified Jelly bean on the Note seeing how you don't have to do anything to enable the ability to write to the sd card on a stock note 3 where you do on the a stock kitkat note 3. Allow me to quote myself:
If you have to root the phone and modifiy it to get back functionality lost that is a problem. Sounds like you need some reading comprehension yourself. :good:
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So if your not rooted and on stock....why are you here...just wondering not trying to be a jerk...but this site is for modification to your phone...my phone is a monster with no issue...rooted non stock note 3
yes its more faster and a lot more better
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So if your not rooted and on stock....why are you here...just wondering not trying to be a jerk...but this site is for modification to your phone...my phone is a monster with no issue...rooted non stock note 3
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I'm not trying to be a jerk either but I think you're confusing forums: this is Q&A help/troubleshooting forum, title says nothing about mods, there are separate forums for Android development and mods, so he is in the right place and you're completely missing the point, which is: why does he have to root the phone just to get back the functionality he had before upgrade. I'm not against rooting and modding, I'm rooted myself, but the fact is Google messed KK big time for no reason. Some people, myself among them, choose Note 3 for its SD as one of selling points and frankly I could not care less about even 15 % speed increase (like Note 3 wasn't fast enough), if I couldn't use extra memory. Another problem with KK is that rooting without tripping Knox is much more difficult now and we are still not clear what tripping Knox means as far as warranty goes. Is Android becoming another Crapple and everybody will need to wait for jailbreak to actually use their phone to it's potential?
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I'm not trying to be a jerk either but I think you're confusing forums: this is Q&A help/troubleshooting forum, title says nothing about mods, there are separate forums for Android development and mods, so he is in the right place and you're completely missing the point, which is: why does he have to root the phone just to get back the functionality he had before upgrade. I'm not against rooting and modding, I'm rooted myself, but the fact is Google messed KK big time for no reason. Some people, myself among them, choose Note 3 for its SD as one of selling points and frankly I could not care less about even 15 % speed increase (like Note 3 wasn't fast enough), if I couldn't use extra memory. Another problem with KK is that rooting without tripping Knox is much more difficult now and we are still not clear what tripping Knox means as far as warranty goes. Is Android becoming another Crapple and everybody will need to wait for jailbreak to actually use their phone to it's potential?
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Thank you Pete my sentiments exactly! I was also curious what KK does that actually IMPROVES the user experience. Taking away SD Card access doesn't seem to accompllish that goal so I was wondering if I was missing something. I appreciate everyones imput.
i just received this phone the other day. i rooted it last night with cf simple root with odin. it was very easy to root unlike my old htc one x! however, ive noticed this android os to be somewhat buggy. screen doesnt want to rotate sometimes and sms pic message will stall. any suggestions on roms or even kitkat or the version before kitkat? for some odd reason... this phone never upgraded the os the whole entire time my wife had the phone. i tried software update before rooting and it says it was up to date. very odd.
Well....
I suppose a good cleaning may be in order...considering the device was previously used by someone else...
I'd factory data reset the device in recovery then reload and sync everything again...
Once that baseline is established...then you'll know where it's really at run wise...
As for rom and OS suggestions....that choice ultimately comes down to you...
Run a few and get the feel for them...and read some user reports from the associated threads....
Then flash away and make this great device your own...
We have great users here with "a lot " of roms and development still happening...
And regarding the updated software you never got....
Don't take the official update to 4.3 unless you want a gimped bootloader with Knox security garbage....
Keep that sexy clean 4.1...loader and use a modded 4.3 rom instead....
Stock roms are slow and bloated anyway....
I won't name individual roms to try because that is often interpreted as a favorites list....and I have no favorites....
I like them all....because they let me choose the entire spectrum at will....
Read up....try em all....and have fun....
Happy flashing...g
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gregsarg said:
Well....
I suppose a good cleaning may be in order...considering the device was previously used by someone else...
I'd factory data reset the device in recovery then reload and sync everything again...
Once that baseline is established...then you'll know where it's really at run wise...
As for rom and OS suggestions....that choice ultimately comes down to you...
Run a few and get the feel for them...and read some user reports from the associated threads....
Then flash away and make this great device your own...
We have great users here with "a lot " of roms and development still happening...
And regarding the updated software you never got....
Don't take the official update to 4.3 unless you want a gimped bootloader with Knox security garbage....
Keep that sexy clean 4.1...loader and use a modded 4.3 rom instead....
Stock roms are slow and bloated anyway....
I won't name individual roms to try because that is often interpreted as a favorites list....and I have no favorites....
I like them all....because they let me choose the entire spectrum at will....
Read up....try em all....and have fun....
Happy flashing...g
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thanx for the advice. before rooting... i done a full factory reset. im kinda new with this rooting stuff. i always root and never upload roms and stuff. just use the phone to get rid of bloat apps. i dont know where to start with roms lol
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thanx for the advice. before rooting... i done a full factory reset. im kinda new with this rooting stuff. i always root and never upload roms and stuff. just use the phone to get rid of bloat apps. i dont know where to start with roms lol
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No worries...
The key is read....read...read...
The forums can get overwhelming with rom threads and mods...so...
Pick one of interest...and read it's instructions more than once....
The repetition will burn the process into your brain and make the process much easier...
The flashing of this device is pretty easy....but the steps have to be followed correctly or you'll get jammed up....
Start with the threads that explain the flash process and how it works ...
Once you've familiarized yourself with that...only then should you flash...
It's habit forming...so be careful ...LOL
The android platform is all about "you" being in control of the device....not that company named after a fruit....LOL
Take your time...as you have plenty of reading to do...
You wouldn't believe how sweet this device can run with a clean rom and the right kernel ...
Try it....you'll like it....g
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I just picked up a brand new one today, still on 4.1, and I agree it was quite frustrating to have auto rotate freeze and play store dl's a mess right outta the box
But it's alright, as soon as it gets its first full charge its gonna be draped in Slimkat weeklies from there on out. Setup Pie and it should be butter.