Good morning XDA, I'm very confused about this whole Knox bootloader fiasco and rooting. I recently received a replacement note 2 from T-mobile with the knox security system installed. In the past I just would connect my device to computer flash a root injected rom and BOOM!!! I have root. The question now is can I still do that with the Knox bootloader, I'm not really concerned about warranty but I don't want to brick the device or lose the IMEI and then need the warranty. Any help greatly appreciated I was planning on using the latest ROM I believe it was posted by MrRobinson.
Thanks for your help
chavist said:
Good morning XDA, I'm very confused about this whole Knox bootloader fiasco and rooting. I recently received a replacement note 2 from T-mobile with the knox security system installed. In the past I just would connect my device to computer flash a root injected rom and BOOM!!! I have root. The question now is can I still do that with the Knox bootloader, I'm not really concerned about warranty but I don't want to brick the device or lose the IMEI and then need the warranty. Any help greatly appreciated I was planning on using the latest ROM I believe it was posted by MrRobinson.
Thanks for your help
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Hi all
Quick inquiry and I didn't see an exact answer to a question that I have. So I have a note 3 rooted and knox flag currently set to 0x0. I was reading I think on here and some other fourms that knox has locked the bootloader. I want to flash a custom recovery and I know it will trip the knox flag. Is the bootloader locked already or am I able to load custom recovery without any issue?
Do you have the T-mobile version? If so, then no, the bootloader is NOT locked.
Flashing a custom recovery WILL trip the Knox flag though.
idtheftvictim said:
Do you have the T-mobile version? If so, then no, the bootloader is NOT locked.
Flashing a custom recovery WILL trip the Knox flag though.
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Hi. I kind of in the same situation.
I am a Note 2 user since it came out and have tried many ROMs without problems. I recently upgraded to Note 3 and I haven't touched anything (rooting and flashing) because I remember reading before about some problems with Knox and eFuse or something. I got a T-Mobile note btw.
Do I have to treat Note 3 differently when rooting and flashing because of this knox, efuse issues?
I tried to look for a clearer answer but I'm still hesitant to proceed. Or is the process the same as rooting and flashing ROMs on Note 2?
Also, I have a Jump insurance with TMO, is this going to have some problem if later I have to claim replacements or upgrade? Thanks a lot. Really appreciate the help.
jinda628 said:
Hi. I kind of in the same situation.
I am a Note 2 user since it came out and have tried many ROMs without problems. I recently upgraded to Note 3 and I haven't touched anything (rooting and flashing) because I remember reading before about some problems with Knox and eFuse or something. I got a T-Mobile note btw.
Do I have to treat Note 3 differently when rooting and flashing because of this knox, efuse issues?
I tried to look for a clearer answer but I'm still hesitant to proceed. Or is the process the same as rooting and flashing ROMs on Note 2?
Also, I have a Jump insurance with TMO, is this going to have some problem if later I have to claim replacements or upgrade? Thanks a lot. Really appreciate the help.
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Well, from where we are right now with the Knox counter, if you flash ANY ROM or Kernel, then the Knox will trip, and will void your warranty. You can root using Root de la vega, or Kingo root without tripping the Knox counter.
I am not sure from a T-Mobile standing if they will give you a hard time with warranty if the Knox is 0x1. I have tripped my Knox counter, and have Jump also, but I honestly don't care. I am sure that SOMEHOW in the future we will be able to reset the Knox counter....I hope anyways.
Did that answer your question?
idtheftvictim said:
Do you have the T-mobile version? If so, then no, the bootloader is NOT locked.
Flashing a custom recovery WILL trip the Knox flag though.
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I have note 3 with tmobile. Thanks for the help
idtheftvictim said:
Did that answer your question?
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Yes you did! Thanks a lot. Important thing is at least I can root. I think I'll be happy with the stock TW, I'll just install some launcher instead.
But I need root for TB and other stuff.
Thanks!
Phone was lost, just got replacement this morning.
My last S4 had been rooted running custom firmware for months w/o issue.
Read through a bunch of threads, ranging from the opinion that the bootloader change + knox wont be a big issue to the sky is falling.
Is it recommended to root my phone at this time, I do have JUMP and would be replacing it once something better comes out? The phone is running 4.2.2, caught it trying to update to already.
Thanks.. I know this may seem redundant but haven't been active on these boards since I got my CFW going. Not seeking help in flashing or anything.. just advice
skrewler said:
Phone was lost, just got replacement this morning.
My last S4 had been rooted running custom firmware for months w/o issue.
Read through a bunch of threads, ranging from the opinion that the bootloader change + knox wont be a big issue to the sky is falling.
Is it recommended to root my phone at this time, I do have JUMP and would be replacing it once something better comes out? The phone is running 4.2.2, caught it trying to update to already.
Thanks.. I know this may seem redundant but haven't been active on these boards since I got my CFW going. Not seeking help in flashing or anything.. just advice
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Up to you. If the stock rom is bearable and you wanna run the 4.3 stock rom then by all means, go for it.
skrewler said:
Phone was lost, just got replacement this morning.
My last S4 had been rooted running custom firmware for months w/o issue.
Read through a bunch of threads, ranging from the opinion that the bootloader change + knox wont be a big issue to the sky is falling.
Is it recommended to root my phone at this time, I do have JUMP and would be replacing it once something better comes out? The phone is running 4.2.2, caught it trying to update to already.
Thanks.. I know this may seem redundant but haven't been active on these boards since I got my CFW going. Not seeking help in flashing or anything.. just advice
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Being that your'e using the T-Mobile M919, the whole KNOX bootloader situation doesn't pertain to you as long as you're sure you're on 4.2.2. Root it, flash it, theme it with Hello Kitty... whatever, it doesn't matter; you can still revert back to stock and reset any tripped counters. 4.3 is when the problems begin and the KNOX counter is implemented and can't be reset.
lordcheeto03 said:
Being that your'e using the T-Mobile M919, the whole KNOX bootloader situation doesn't pertain to you as long as you're sure you're on 4.2.2. Root it, flash it, theme it with Hello Kitty... whatever, it doesn't matter; you can still revert back to stock and reset any tripped counters. 4.3 is when the problems begin and the KNOX counter is implemented and can't be reset.
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I second this.
SO LONG AS YOU ARE ON 4.2.2
- You can root flash do whatever, theme with hello kitty or barbie xD like lordcheeto said or keep it stock
- Install recovery and flash away.
- Will always be able to revert back to 100 percent stock
TAKE 4.3 UPDATE
- I think you are still able to root it without tripping knox counter. Can't remember the last status of that was. But as long as you root it without a custom recovery, i think you are ok. From what i can remember, the bootloader checks the recovery status and trips the knox counter based off the recovery that is on the device. If its different then stock, it trips. But double check with Google about this first.
- If you trip knox counter, you will NEVER (as of now and possibly forever) get it back to zero.
Rooting with safe root won't trip knox and also disables it. But recoveries, kernels, roms, etc will trip the flag
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Root it with chain fire and never look back.
You're on 4.22, so you're golden. Just flash a rooted stock ROM that's on 4.3 and you'll avoid Knox.
I'm running 4.4.2 and never seen this Knox stuff.
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elesbb said:
- I think you are still able to root it without tripping knox counter. Can't remember the last status of that was. But as long as you root it without a custom recovery, i think you are ok.
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ShinySide said:
Rooting with safe root won't trip knox and also disables it. But recoveries, kernels, roms, etc will trip the flag
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Correct. I've rooted my my second GS4G on 4.3 MK2 and it did not trip the KNOX counter. If you're still on 4.2.2 MDL, then there is no need to update your bootloader. Simply flash ROMs through recovery and flash the 4.3 modem. You will have the goodness of 4.3 on KNOX-less 4.2.2 bootloader. :highfive:
Hello,
Seeing how future updates to the Note 3 supposedly causes the knox warranty void flag to be tripped for rooting with RDLV... Is it a good idea to root our devices now while we can? As in, rooting before one of these updates will both keep root on the device and have knox warranty flag 0x0 after updating to kitkat?
Bumping! I suppose it would be easy for Samsung to release an update that triggers knox counter if root is detected... I've never rooted a device though. So my question is do phones keep root when you receive an android update?
If you are rooted, you normally don't want an update over the air. There so far have been no updates to the T-Mobile version of the note 3 though.
Well I was wondering about that as well. I keep reading that the Tmo Note 3's bootloader is unlocked. If it is truly unlocked would it not matter to take updates as we should be able to continue to root and put a custom recovery back on the phone? I mean i personally would wait to know if it is safe to take an OTA before actually taking it. I came from the VZW S4 which had that crazy locked down bootloader after the 1st OTA (I luckily never took an OTA and it's on the original FW). I mean I guess they can always lock down a bootloader on any OTA but why would they if it came already unlocked?
All the ota does is download via wifi or data for the update...that is the only difference... it doesn't do any extra checking or anything like that. The only thing that will happen is after the update has been downloaded it will flash your phone and then it will erase root because it will be flashing the phone back to a stock new firmware. You then would have to root your phone again.
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Dreamgun said:
Bumping! I suppose it would be easy for Samsung to release an update that triggers knox counter if root is detected... I've never rooted a device though. So my question is do phones keep root when you receive an android update?
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If you are rooted and you accept an OTA or KIES update or if you Odin flash official
stock firmwareyou will lose root but you can root the phone again if you want.
Fortunately all the cwm/twrp flashable custom roms found here in XDA
all come pre-rooted and if you flash one of those you will not lose root.
Either way you will trigger the KNOX if you flash kernels, custom roms or custom recoveries.
The only two things that KNOX does is it prevents you from downgrading to an older version
of the rom and or firmware as well as the possibility of voiding your warrany if you have one.
Good luck!
Just picked up a new Note 3 and root is required to run an app that is critical to me.
I was just about to root and then call and cancel my insurance.. then I started noticing threads where people have claimed root on 4.4.2 without tripping the Knox flag.
This is a new phone, never before rooted. I do own Mobile Oden Pro and Triangle away and am willing to purchase other apps if needed.
Either way this phone will be rooted but I would like to keep my insurance warranty if possible.
Thanks
Edit.. custom recovery would be an added bonus not is not needed.
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Rich3077 said:
Just picked up a new Note 3 and root is required to run an app that is critical to me.
I was just about to root and then call and cancel my insurance.. then I started noticing threads where people have claimed root on 4.4.2 without tripping the Knox flag.
This is a new phone, never before rooted. I do own Mobile Oden Pro and Triangle away and am willing to purchase other apps if needed.
Either way this phone will be rooted but I would like to keep my insurance warranty if possible.
Thanks
Edit.. custom recovery would be an added bonus not is not needed.
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If your baseband is NB4 or NE6 you can use "Towelroot" for rooting
otherwise if your baseband is NF1 or NF4 Towelroot will not work.
Towelroot will not trip knox.
If you flash any custom recovery knox will get triggered
but so far no one lost their warranty due to triggering knox.
Without custom recovery you will not be able to flash any
custom roms.
Good luck!
Rich3077 said:
Just picked up a new Note 3 and root is required to run an app that is critical to me.
I was just about to root and then call and cancel my insurance.. then I started noticing threads where people have claimed root on 4.4.2 without tripping the Knox flag.
This is a new phone, never before rooted. I do own Mobile Oden Pro and Triangle away and am willing to purchase other apps if needed.
Either way this phone will be rooted but I would like to keep my insurance warranty if possible.
Thanks
Edit.. custom recovery would be an added bonus not is not needed.
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You can use your insurance even with knox tripping. It only voids your samsung warranty, not your insurance. Just an fyi.
Sent from my leanKernel 3.4 powered stock 4.4.2 (NF4) SM-N900T
my friend tmobile insurance doesnt care if you have knox trip off
either way you pay one 175 for a new note or screen fix we so i dont matter if you damage the phone or the system
Thanks towelroot worked great with my NB4 baseband..and my needed app works great as well.
Rich3077 said:
Just picked up a new Note 3 and root is required to run an app that is critical to me.
I was just about to root and then call and cancel my insurance.. then I started noticing threads where people have claimed root on 4.4.2 without tripping the Knox flag.
This is a new phone, never before rooted. I do own Mobile Oden Pro and Triangle away and am willing to purchase other apps if needed.
Either way this phone will be rooted but I would like to keep my insurance warranty if possible.
Thanks
Edit.. custom recovery would be an added bonus not is not needed.
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Just use The EffortLess Way to root NF4 without tripping KNOX!
Hi guys,
I'm new to this forum and I am a beginner so I must apologise in advance for my ignorance.
I was looking to downgrade my Note 2 from 4.3 to 4.1.1 to unlock it, and I found this http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2612485
I followed the instructions properly. I rooted my 4.3 with CF auto root, and then I tried to flash the 4.1.1 firmware onto my phone.
Now it is stuck at the boot screen, and I'm so shocked because I did everything correctly.
I can still get to "ODIN Mode" by holding volume down, home and power, and it says:
Current Binary: Custom
System Status: Custom
Knox warranty void: 1
What have I done wrong?
Thank you.
nigzy said:
Hi guys,
I'm new to this forum and I am a beginner so I must apologise in advance for my ignorance.
I was looking to downgrade my Note 2 from 4.3 to 4.1.1 to unlock it, and I found this http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2612485
I followed the instructions properly. I rooted my 4.3 with CF auto root, and then I tried to flash the 4.1.1 firmware onto my phone.
Now it is stuck at the boot screen, and I'm so shocked because I did everything correctly.
I can still get to "ODIN Mode" by holding volume down, home and power, and it says:
Current Binary: Custom
System Status: Custom
Knox warranty void: 1
What have I done wrong?
Thank you.
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On the first post that you've followed says that "It may or may not work for you" so you only have 50% chance. AFAIK 4.3 firmware has Knox already. Did you flash the 4.1.1 successfully? If yes, maybe Knox is restricting it from booting. If not successfull, maybe the files of your device have been messed up. So you have to flash again your previous rom using Odin. Why don't you try it. Since you already tripped your Knox to 1. Meaning you've already voided your warranty.
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On the first post that you've followed says that "It may or may not work for you" so you only have 50% chance. AFAIK 4.3 firmware has Knox already. Did you flash the 4.1.1 successfully? If yes, maybe Knox is restricting it from booting. If not successfull, maybe the files of your device have been messed up. So you have to flash again your previous rom using Odin. Why don't you try it. Since you already tripped your Knox to 1. Meaning you've already voided your warranty.
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Thank you for your reply I flashed the 4.1.1 successfully, but it just wouldn't boot. 4.3 does have Knox but I disabled it when I rooted it.
I flashed 4.3 again, and to my surprise it worked, I'm really grateful mate thanks a lot
What does it mean for me now that I've voided my warranty? I can't update it anymore with Kies?
nigzy said:
Thank you for your reply I flashed the 4.1.1 successfully, but it just wouldn't boot. 4.3 does have Knox but I disabled it when I rooted it.
I flashed 4.3 again, and to my surprise it worked, I'm really grateful mate thanks a lot
What does it mean for me now that I've voided my warranty? I can't update it anymore with Kies?
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Great! AFAIK you can still update with kies. But you have to unroot your device first using supersu. There are a lot of rumors around there. Some said yes and some says no. Haven't tried it myself before actually. I always use odin. Since you got back to 4.3, what's your next plan? Hehehe.
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Great! AFAIK you can still update with kies. But you have to unroot your device first using supersu. There are a lot of rumors around there. Some said yes and some says no. Haven't tried it myself before actually. I always use odin. Since you got back to 4.3, what's your next plan? Hehehe.
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Ok got it, thanks man. I'll probably use Odin from now on too.
Is there currently no way to restore the Knox count? The phone doesn't have warranty anyway but if I can't use Knox enabled software in the future I guess it will be difficult
Since I'm back on 4.3 I'm looking to see if I can unlock my phone somehow, I'm looking to study abroad soon and I need it done, and I can't do it through the official carrier so I'm a bit desperate. What do you reckon I should do?
In the tutorial that I mentioned in my first post, he didn't say that I should factory reset the phone. Shall I try downgrading again and then do the factory reset? Will it help at all? Like it says here: http://www.droidviews.com/how-to-downgrade-firmware-on-samsung-galaxy-devices/2/
Cheers
nigzy said:
Ok got it, thanks man. I'll probably use Odin from now on too.
Is there currently no way to restore the Knox count? The phone doesn't have warranty anyway but if I can't use Knox enabled software in the future I guess it will be difficult
Since I'm back on 4.3 I'm looking to see if I can unlock my phone somehow, I'm looking to study abroad soon and I need it done, and I can't do it through the official carrier so I'm a bit desperate. What do you reckon I should do?
In the tutorial that I mentioned in my first post, he didn't say that I should factory reset the phone. Shall I try downgrading again and then do the factory reset? Will it help at all? Like it says here: http://www.droidviews.com/how-to-downgrade-firmware-on-samsung-galaxy-devices/2/
Cheers
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Downgrading from Knox-enabled-bootloader to Non-Knoxed-Bootloader may brick your device. Your lucky that it didn't happen on your first try. From what carrier are you locked on? Since your on 4.3 Knox bootloader, maybe you can try other custom rom that depends on your current bootloader. Or try to upgrade to Official 4.4.2 from sammobile then install PhilzTouchRecovery 6.26.6 then root it, then find a custom rom that fits your device and can also unlock your device. Maybe you can ask Dr. Ketan if he has a rom like in this thread http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2472270 for your device. And I think he can help you with all of your concerns. Cheers!