Hi!
I'm sorry if this has been asked before but I just can't find a definitive answer to this and I've been trying to search for an answer for nearly a week now.
My boss received a used Samsung Galaxy S3 from a friend of his in the states. It is a locked AT&T phone (SGH-I747) and it is on 4.3.
I managed to root the phone using CF-Auto-Root, which disabled Knox (whatever that is) and also installed CWM and was planning to flash 4.1.1 so I can unlock the phone using the *#NUM# method.
After reading a bit I've seen many people saying that you can't "downgrade" from 4.3 to anything else because it will brick your phone. Hence, I did not try and flash any other rom on the phone.
So I guess I'm just trying to get a definitive answer here because I can't find anything but rumors on this subject. I mean it's weird, I'd expect if you couldn't downgrade from 4.3 than it would be a bit more documented.
Has anybody tackled this problem with success?
Thank you
The normal method for the end user to conduct software updates and upgrades is via OTA or Kies. Using Kies or OTA doesn't require the end user to know about download mode, fastboot, or recovery mode. Samsung probably did not want non-technical users to brick their phones using download mode and Odin. It would be too easy for a non-techie to use the wrong firmware, tick the wrong options in Odin, etc.
I'm sure the fact that you cannot downgrade the bootloader has been well document by Samsung and its service centres. Based on the contents of my first paragraph, there would be no need for Samsung to advertise to the end user that the bootloader cannot be downgraded.
rikonor said:
Hi!
I'm sorry if this has been asked before but I just can't find a definitive answer to this and I've been trying to search for an answer for nearly a week now.
My boss received a used Samsung Galaxy S3 from a friend of his in the states. It is a locked AT&T phone (SGH-I747) and it is on 4.3.
I managed to root the phone using CF-Auto-Root, which disabled Knox (whatever that is) and also installed CWM and was planning to flash 4.1.1 so I can unlock the phone using the *#NUM# method.
After reading a bit I've seen many people saying that you can't "downgrade" from 4.3 to anything else because it will brick your phone. Hence, I did not try and flash any other rom on the phone.
So I guess I'm just trying to get a definitive answer here because I can't find anything but rumors on this subject. I mean it's weird, I'd expect if you couldn't downgrade from 4.3 than it would be a bit more documented.
Has anybody tackled this problem with success?
Thank you
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Right now there is no free way to unlock your phone if it's on 4.3.(you can downgrade to older stock android, but the 4.3 bootloader remains and messes up your phones IMEI until you go back to stock 4.3)
Anyhow, the reason you can't downgrade the bootloader is because there is no method discovered to do this yet. I ended up using gsmliberty to unlock, and they have a deal that you get a free unlock if you take a video when you unlock and upload it to vimeo/youtube using the format they request.
I did that and they re-funded me very quickly. So IMO this is the best "free" method until we can downgrade from 4.3 bootloader and do the 4.1.1 free unlock.
I was in the same situation, and I had to pay for an unlock code.
If you want to see me unlock it, here is the video: http://vimeo.com/96549806
rikonor said:
Hi!
I'm sorry if this has been asked before but I just can't find a definitive answer to this and I've been trying to search for an answer for nearly a week now.
My boss received a used Samsung Galaxy S3 from a friend of his in the states. It is a locked AT&T phone (SGH-I747) and it is on 4.3.
I managed to root the phone using CF-Auto-Root, which disabled Knox (whatever that is) and also installed CWM and was planning to flash 4.1.1 so I can unlock the phone using the *#NUM# method.
After reading a bit I've seen many people saying that you can't "downgrade" from 4.3 to anything else because it will brick your phone. Hence, I did not try and flash any other rom on the phone.
So I guess I'm just trying to get a definitive answer here because I can't find anything but rumors on this subject. I mean it's weird, I'd expect if you couldn't downgrade from 4.3 than it would be a bit more documented.
Has anybody tackled this problem with success?
Thank you
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What everyone else has said here is correct. You can't safely downgrade from 4.3 to free unlock - or free unlock by any other means for that matter once you are on 4.3. Your boss' friend would have unlocked prior to shipping the phone down but perhaps this was omitted. Your only options now would be to buy an unlock code online or perhaps the friend can contact AT&T to request the unlock code. If the device was off contract and is eligible for the unlock code, they would oblige the request. Otherwise, the code could cost between $18 - $30 online.
Thank you everybody.
I will use the service posted above.
I think it would be a good idea to make a sticky in this forum explaining that it is not possible at this point to downgrade from 4.3 (or is that just the boot loader).
Thanks again.
rikonor said:
Thank you everybody.
I will use the service posted above.
I think it would be a good idea to make a sticky in this forum explaining that it is not possible at this point to downgrade from 4.3 (or is that just the boot loader).
Thanks again.
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It is just the bootloader that cannot be downgraded, not the ROM.
Related
Hi Guys,
I am really new to the rooting customary process. Pardon me if there are information that I am not aware of. Okay, I always wanted to root to install apps that were restrictive to what I want and how to manage the phone properly. But I bought my Note 2 in Singapore, which is why I was hesitating as most of the guides were for AT&T and other American phone companies.
I was hesitating but a friend of me referred me to a very simple clip to root with using Odin
Needless to say, I rooted the phone and was able to install the couple of applications I wanted though there were a few I still couldn't find replacements for (Market Unlocker, AdAway).
However, I find myself not being to use ROM Manager to backup and change ROMS and being different with how normal people rooted. I think it has got to do with the how I had my phone rooted.
Please advice how I can place myself in what the general public is using as it would be easier for me to configure the phone if I were to try looking for assistance in the future.
Should I unroot and root using the XDA developer suggested way (I found the clip on YouTube but it wasn't for the firmware 4.1.2, thus I hesitated) ? After rooting my phone says its firmware is 4.1.1
Actually, if someone could also answer me whether
1) I can update my phone after rooting or do I need to unroot and update and root it again ?
2) Is the furthest update for Note 2 is 4.1.2 and in order to go for further updates I need to root ?
Again, pardon my knowledge on rooting. Thanks
McBrand said:
Hi Guys,
I am really new to the rooting customary process. Pardon me if there are information that I am not aware of. Okay, I always wanted to root to install apps that were restrictive to what I want and how to manage the phone properly. But I bought my Note 2 in Singapore, which is why I was hesitating as most of the guides were for AT&T and other American phone companies.
I was hesitating but a friend of me referred me to a very simple clip to root with using Odin
Needless to say, I rooted the phone and was able to install the couple of applications I wanted though there were a few I still couldn't find replacements for (Market Unlocker, AdAway).
However, I find myself not being to use ROM Manager to backup and change ROMS and being different with how normal people rooted. I think it has got to do with the how I had my phone rooted.
Please advice how I can place myself in what the general public is using as it would be easier for me to configure the phone if I were to try looking for assistance in the future.
Should I unroot and root using the XDA developer suggested way (I found the clip on YouTube but it wasn't for the firmware 4.1.2, thus I hesitated) ? After rooting my phone says its firmware is 4.1.1
Actually, if someone could also answer me whether
1) I can update my phone after rooting or do I need to unroot and update and root it again ?
2) Is the furthest update for Note 2 is 4.1.2 and in order to go for further updates I need to root ?
Again, pardon my knowledge on rooting. Thanks
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Please do more research before doing anything but I would question if you have a custom recovery installed? You could use GooManager on the market to install a custom recovery (Open GooManager -> menu -> "Install OpenRecoveryScript") but check your phone model number first and make sure it matches the file you are about to flash. This would enable you to work with flashing and such. Also check your model number I believe the Verizon phones have locked bootloaders and don't know if your will or not (I believe this adds steps to flashing a custom recovery.) Wish I could be of more help.
RE: Downgrade Galaxy S3 I747 from 4.3(knox) to 4.1.2???
Hi guys,
I've been searching online and no luck finding a good answers. I have a Galaxy S3 I747M(Canadian) that was handed to me.... Sad part is, most average users, whenever they see an update for the phone, they freaking update without research the pros or cons.
Anyhows, I was fiddling with my Galaxy Note 2 and came across on how disable KNOX to achieve Rooting and I thought***** Light Bulb*
Here's my idea, not sure if this will work but, I will root my Galaxy S3 and use the same idea by disabling KNOX using Dr Ketan multitool to rename Knox.*apk files then inject busy box and root. (By the way, I have rooted my S3 this way and it achieve rooting no problem).
Now the question is, since KNOX is disabled, would I be able to downgrade to 4.1.2? Just wondering if other people out there has ever done this route by disabling KNOX and then do downgrade....
What do you guys think?
amilayajr said:
Hi guys,
I've been searching online and no luck finding a good answers. I have a Galaxy S3 I747M(Canadian) that was handed to me.... Sad part is, most average users, whenever they see an update for the phone, they freaking update without research the pros or cons.
Anyhows, I was fiddling with my Galaxy Note 2 and came across on how disable KNOX to achieve Rooting and I thought***** Light Bulb*
Here's my idea, not sure if this will work but, I will root my Galaxy S3 and use the same idea by disabling KNOX using Dr Ketan multitool to rename Knox.*apk files then inject busy box and root. (By the way, I have rooted my S3 this way and it achieve rooting no problem).
Now the question is, since KNOX is disabled, would I be able to downgrade to 4.1.2? Just wondering if other people out there has ever done this route by disabling KNOX and then do downgrade....
What do you guys think?
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Dont do it. You will BRICK your phone. For the moment on android 4.3 Samsung galaxy i747M (same as mine on Rogers) therse no way to downgrade. Yon wont be able to downgrade anyway because you have the new bootloader and with the new one, you CANT downgrade, or if you try, you will Soft-Brick your phone.
(In the past, i got an HTC EVO 3D and Soft-Bricked my phone by flashing a wrong Kernel.... so i made some research on the web and i found the a JTAG may be able to unbrick my phone and flash back the good Kernel the good ROM and the good bootloader.... So I sent it to a store who was repairing smrtphones. Tey tell me that they knew what my problem is so they should be able ot fix it but... the next day when i came to get my HTC they told me that finnally EVEN with the JTAG they wasnt able to repair it...)
* All of that to tell you : dont trust JTAG sometimes it may not work...
amilayajr said:
Hi guys,
I've been searching online and no luck finding a good answers. I have a Galaxy S3 I747M(Canadian) that was handed to me.... Sad part is, most average users, whenever they see an update for the phone, they freaking update without research the pros or cons.
Anyhows, I was fiddling with my Galaxy Note 2 and came across on how disable KNOX to achieve Rooting and I thought***** Light Bulb*
Here's my idea, not sure if this will work but, I will root my Galaxy S3 and use the same idea by disabling KNOX using Dr Ketan multitool to rename Knox.*apk files then inject busy box and root. (By the way, I have rooted my S3 this way and it achieve rooting no problem).
Now the question is, since KNOX is disabled, would I be able to downgrade to 4.1.2? Just wondering if other people out there has ever done this route by disabling KNOX and then do downgrade....
What do you guys think?
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I have the i747 canadian model too and althpugh you can't downgrade to stock 4.1.2, you can definetly flash a custom 4.1.2 rom which DOES NOT include a bootloader. Im currently running hyperdrive rls 16 which is 4.1.2 based and before that i was rooted on stock 4.3.
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I have a question along the same lines, is it possible to restore a nandroid of 4.1.1 or 4.1.2 after updating the bootloader? Does restoring a nandroid affect the bootloader?
I actually haven't don't the official update yet, specifically because I don't like that it's one way. I flashed stock 4.3 without updating the bootloader and I like the improvements.
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gc84245 said:
I have a question along the same lines, is it possible to restore a nandroid of 4.1.1 or 4.1.2 after updating the bootloader? Does restoring a nandroid affect the bootloader?
I actually haven't don't the official update yet, specifically because I don't like that it's one way. I flashed stock 4.3 without updating the bootloader and I like the improvements.
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No by restauring your phone whit nandroid if you are on 4.3 with the new bootloader you will brick your device...
Code:
[ro.bootloader]: [I747MVLUEMK5]
[ro.build.id]: [JZO54K]
[ro.build.hidden_ver]: [I747MVLDMF1]
I'm able to get 4.1.* running but none of the modems seem to work.
Am I screwed if I need to network/sim unlock this?
EDIT: Just found out about EFSv1 vs. EFSv2. Looks like I'm boned for a free unlock.
weedy2887 said:
Code:
[ro.bootloader]: [I747MVLUEMK5]
[ro.build.id]: [JZO54K]
[ro.build.hidden_ver]: [I747MVLDMF1]
I'm able to get 4.1.* running but none of the modems seem to work.
Am I screwed if I need to network/sim unlock this?
EDIT: Just found out about EFSv1 vs. EFSv2. Looks like I'm boned for a free unlock.
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You cannot use the free method to sim unlock the phone unless you are running a completely stock ROM, inclduing the bootloader. There were a couple of users that downgraded everything to 4.1.1 from 4.3 except the bootloader and the required unlock menu options were not available.
Because the 4.3 upgrade changes to format of the EFS partition.
Nope, its all because of the modem. You never had to flash a 4.1.1 rom, only the modem. The problem is that once you've updated to 4.3, older modems no longer function.
There is little more than factoryapp, s/n, and drm related data on the EFS partition of these devices. They are not like many others where a lot of NV data was stored there.
This is also why backing up the EFS, while not a bad idea, does not protect against many of the things people think it will, such as IMEI loss.
Hi, I need your help!
i have I747 AT&T with 4.1.1 PDA: I747UCDLK3
My main concern what will brick my device if i try downgrade from 4.3 coustm rom?!
Can anyone give my a full list of BT+MO+Ke ? what I found in XDA is short list.
4.3+ bootloader - YES! (I747UCUEMJB and Up will brick )
I being told that I747UCUEMJ2 is the higher i can get downgrade without porblems
I rellay don't know which Modems & Kernals are belong to 4.1.1 VS 4.3+
Modems - ? (will loss IMEI) can I use old modem like:I747UCDMG2/UCDLK3 on 4.3+ ?
Kernels - ?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/galaxy-s3-att/help/bootloaders-kernaels-modems-list-t2851857
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2321310&page=41#post54912358
Once on 4.3 or above you cannot flash older firmware. Only the modem belonging to each build will work.
You can flash older roms, but thats it.
So my family is about to switch to AT&T from Boost Mobile. And I think I am getting a Galaxy S3 from them. And I would love to root and install CM in it. But I have been hearing reports of AT&T's locked bootloader policy and such. Should I worry about it for the S3? Or does it still have an unlocked bootloader? If it doesn't, should. I unlock it first, then root? Or root first? Please reply, and if you do, thanks,
Endo
Endofear said:
So my family is about to switch to AT&T from Boost Mobile. And I think I am getting a Galaxy S3 from them. And I would love to root and install CM in it. But I have been hearing reports of AT&T's locked bootloader policy and such. Should I worry about it for the S3? Or does it still have an unlocked bootloader? If it doesn't, should. I unlock it first, then root? Or root first? Please reply, and if you do, thanks,
Endo
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if your phone firmware is higher then 4.1.2 then
check if your phone is locked or not Dial *#7465625# into your phone, a screen will pop up telling you what is on.
if Network lock is ON that mean your phone is locked and for now there is no way to unlock your phone for free (you have to pay for unlocking)
if your phone firmware version is 4.1.2 or lower then that then
go this link and find how to unlock your phone for free http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2529200
Endofear said:
...I would love to root and install CM in it. But I have been hearing reports of AT&T's locked bootloader policy and such. Should I worry about it for the S3? Or does it still have an unlocked bootloader? If it doesn't, should. I unlock it first, then root? Or root first?
Endo
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The bootloader issues should not be insurmountable. Being a new phone I expect it will come with the 4.3 version of Jelly Bean installed. This will be the first thing to check once you have the phone. If it has 4.3, it will have Knox installed and this will need to be turned off to install a custom ROM. All I have seen regarding removing Knox is either after or at the same time you are rooting. To root, the CF-Auto-Root method works for many. Both the CF-Auto-Root and a second method are here This thread also links to a script which will remove Knox, if needed.
You will need to decide which version of CM you wish to install, probably 10.2 or 11. At this time the 4.3 bootloader will work with both. I would recommend reading about all of this, and having a fair understanding, before doing anything to your phone. I won't hurt to run it on stock for a week or two.
Some things to bear in mind: The phone may come with the 4.1.2 version of Jelly Bean, but I doubt it. If it does you will have to update the bootloader before proceeding, more reading because there is an option involved - the official 4.3 bootloader (MJB) or the leaked 4.3 bootloader (MJ2). There is a bit of a chance the phone could come with Android 4.4, KitKat. It all depends on the timing of when you get your phone, when AT&T rolls out the update, and if the store personnel update the phone giving that 4.4 is available. If it does come with 4.4, DO NOT change anything until those on here that do the good things for our phones understand how it behaves.
Remember all of the warnings about anything you do being your responsibility.
After official kk upgrade, when trying to sim unlock via service mode doesn't work, get to service mode screen and on first screen, the lsst line reads:
IMEI CERTI : NA
and I can't move anywhere except out of the menu.
also, is there a way to unroot without loading another room? Motochopper doesn't work, and no, I dont care about tripping knox counter (although if there's a way to do it without tripping it please let me know.
if this info is elsewhere in the forums point me to it without bashing, I've spent a lot of time searching for the answers and couldn't find them, but if I missed them just tell me so, thanks!
I read a while ago, in the thread on how to do that, it don't work on the newer modems.
You need to downgrade the older version 4.2 to get the unlock to work.
Sent from my SGH-M919 using XDA Premium 4 mobile app
http://techbeasts.com/2013/12/26/ho...mobile-galaxy-s4-sgh-m919-sgh-i337-sgh-i337m/
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2335109
Hopefully these help
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Kriptik, those 2 methods that you mentioned are what I tried to do and failed.
As M9x3mos noted, the new ROMs won't let the "old" methods work, and it's also impossible (as of yet and as far as I've read) to downgrade from kitkat back to any version of JB or prior ones. so it's a catch 22..
I'm pondering if I should just pay off the device to get the unlock code from tmobile and then just roon the damn thing as I did before...
I've got a new t807a from AT&T. According to the "about device" settings page, SE is "enforcing." My understanding is that this conclusively indicates that my bootloader is locked. It's currently running Android version 4.4.2, build number kot49h.T807aucu1ank1
I don't need a custom ROM and I don't care about tripping my knox counter (per se). I just want root. I've asked this in several relevant threads this week and gotten contradictory responses. Is there or is there not currently a method to root my tablet?
If not: is there hope? This is a great tablet but I can't live with the bloat for 18 months until I can afford a replacement. I CAN still return it and eat the 70-dollar "restocking" fee.
Thanks in advance.
Just because it is enforcing, does not mean it is locked.
The s6 shows enforcing and for the T-Mobile version can be rooted with autoroot and trip Knox.
TheArtiszan said:
Just because it is enforcing, does not mean it is locked.
The s6 shows enforcing and for the T-Mobile version can be rooted with autoroot and trip Knox.
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So what does that mean for my t807a?
thorvindr said:
So what does that mean for my t807a?
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Locked bootloader aside, root can be achieved. Check the Dev pages for specifics/updates but this is the auto page link. You'll see the 807 is being tested but check back there often to monitor progress.
skeeterpro said:
Locked bootloader aside, root can be achieved. Check the Dev pages for specifics/updates but this is the auto page link. You'll see the 807 is being tested but check back there often to monitor progress.
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Thanks. I have been following that. Just hoping someone knows something I don't I suppose.
ATT=Locked Bootloader which there's not going to be root or anything. Same goes for Verizon. SE enforcing is Selinux. Most devices have that including my Tab S 10.5 WiFi with unlocked bootloader. SE is an protections or somesort (google it).
Since you have a locked bootloader, it will fail to flash modfied stuff to get root. It will only flash stock images. So you may have to return it. Just remember, don't buy from att or Verizon. Buy an unlocked model or Tmobile. Hope this helps!
DUHAsianSKILLZ said:
ATT=Locked Bootloader which there's not going to be root or anything. Same goes for Verizon. SE enforcing is Selinux. Most devices have that including my Tab S 10.5 WiFi with unlocked bootloader. SE is an protections or somesort (google it).
Since you have a locked bootloader, it will fail to flash modfied stuff to get root. It will only flash stock images. So you may have to return it. Just remember, don't buy from att or Verizon. Buy an unlocked model or Tmobile. Hope this helps!
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I think you're telling me there's no way to unlock the bootloader and root is therefore completely unattainable. Is that right? If it's just a matter of "we haven't cracked it yet," I can be patient. But if you're saying there's really no hope, I'm going to be far less patient.
Is there no software solution (ie towelroot) that might help me get root without having to get past the bootloader?
thorvindr said:
I think you're telling me there's no way to unlock the bootloader and root is therefore completely unattainable. Is that right? If it's just a matter of "we haven't cracked it yet," I can be patient. But if you're saying there's really no hope, I'm going to be far less patient.
Is there no software solution (ie towelroot) that might help me get root without having to get past the bootloader?
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Its a matter "we haven't cracked it" and no one is working on it. So basically almost to no hope and the odds of getting root or unlocking the Bootloader is really really low. There's no software solution like towel root that will get root or anything that doesn't mess with bootloader.
So there's no hope (unless some breakthrough happens).
DUHAsianSKILLZ said:
Its a matter "we haven't cracked it" and no one is working on it. So basically almost to no hope and the odds of getting root or unlocking the Bootloader is really really low. There's no software solution like towel root that will get root or anything that doesn't mess with bootloader.
So there's no hope (unless some breakthrough happens).
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Well that blows. I guess that's what I get for buying off-the-rack.
Is this info outdated?
info outdated?
I've got an easy working root on my t807A with kingroot. And yet there seems to be no custom roms available for it.
Slightly out of topic, does anyone have a install to SDcard solution? Nothing I find seems to work
JMVPSlash said:
info outdated?
I've got an easy working root on my t807A with kingroot. And yet there seems to be no custom roms available for it.
Slightly out of topic, does anyone have a install to SDcard solution? Nothing I find seems to work
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The built-in app manager lets you move apps to SD but I also have not found a solution to install directly to SD (without repartitioning the card). After several months of despair, I'm just now checking back to see if there's been any development on the bootloader front. It appears not. You can get root with Kingroot (also check out supersume, if that's still around, to replace kingroot's su app with supersu) but apparently the bootloader being locked prevents any non-official ROM from booting.