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I mean, what will I lose if I choose to use a rom without sense?
Do I get less battery drain?
you'll lose:
Sense Launcher, Sense Widgets - this can be fully replaced by Launcher Plus Pro, or, if you don't like the look of Sense Widgets by ADW.Launcher
Sense programs, like mail, calendar, ...
FM Radio
HTC Sync - you won't be able to sync your Desire calendar with Outlook directly any longer. You'll have to buy third party software to do this via the Google cloud or you use an Exchange Server.
Because the HTC Froyo source got released now, as it seems, you'll also be able to undervolt Sense ROMs now.
However, non Sense ROMs are lighter, more customized and contain some essential features which I miss on Sense ROMs: Bluetooth HID support.
Why get rid of sense?, its amazing!!!
you will also loose htc dialer and htc contacts
I love sense because of the widgets I keep it for that.
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Agreed. I love everything about sense. It makes the phone great. If I wanted senseless I could have bought an N1.
Sense is the reason desire is the best smart phone! I would not dream having a smartphone without it...
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Sense is very nice but I see that there are many roms that don't contain it. So, I was wondering if it realy is neasecery, or what is better in a non-sense rom, and if a non-sense rom is less hungry for battery
I have two Desires - one has a Sense ROM and the other is running CyanogenMod. There are one or two small things I prefer about the CyanogenMod ROM, but a great deal more I prefer about Sense, but there are others on this forum who will tell you the opposite, and be equally correct because it is just an opinion.
One thing I will say though is that you will often hear that non-Sense ROMs are "faster" than Sense ROMs. In my experience, if there is a speed difference, you can only really tell in benchmarks - in general use I feel my Sense phone is every bit as fast as my CyanogenMod phone. The same is true on battery life - both seem to sip about the same amount of power.
I don't think there is any real alternative other than trying out a non-Sense ROM for yourself and making your own choice.
Regards,
Dave
You can undervolt Sense roms of course. Also now with S-Off you can remove the Sense apps you dont need easily from the phone.
After playing with a non-Sense rom I am back to a Sense one mainly because I cold not live with the battery drain and I can now customize the Sense apps.
On Alex 1.7 and with light use I can almost go 3 days on a battery... with a non-Sense rom I could barely make 24-36h (wipe before flash and few apps installed, no sync), so it's clear in my case which rom type drains more battery.
Also this Alex 1.7 Sense rom is smooth as silk and I never get any apps or the whole phone crashing (daily occurence in aosp rom for many people?).
Aosp roms are great if you like messing around with your phone all the time, but you cant get away with the fact that Sense roms just work.
Respect to all the rom makers Sense or non.Sense.
Thanks for all the responses, you helped a lot =]
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After playing with a non-Sense rom I am back to a Sense one mainly because I cold not live with the battery drain and I can now customize the Sense apps.
On Alex 1.7 and with light use I can almost go 3 days on a battery... with a non-Sense rom I could barely make 24-36h (wipe before flash and few apps installed, no sync), so it's clear in my case which rom type drains more battery.
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Mhh, something wasn't working properly then. With very light use I can also get 3 days battery life.
Else it's difficult to compare, because it heavily depends on how you use the phone. Playing around, surfing, ... drastically reduces battery life.
However, at the moment I use DeFroST 5.0 with HAVS kernel and the battery life looks perfect to me.
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Also this Alex 1.7 Sense rom is smooth as silk and I never get any apps or the whole phone crashing (daily occurence in aosp rom for many people?).
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Should be fixed now. AOSP roms had a few issues, but at it seems as if they're ironed out.
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Aosp roms are great if you like messing around with your phone all the time, but you cant get away with the fact that Sense roms just work.
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Somehow true, sometimes, but sense roms also have bugs often, and a not working revision, which gets fixed in the next release.
So if you want a stable ROM use the stock. If you want some customization, use a custom sense rom. If you don't use sense features, replaced it with other apps/widgets/tools, and need some AOSP rom features, then get an AOSP rom.
i dont have a Desire atm, but i plan on getting one soon (or possibly the DHD). I like sense, especially the new one which allows you to theme it. But something i've noticed with sense compared to stock is that HTC have removed a lot of animations. Like when opening an app or closing it. It instantly opens or closes with no animation. Stock android has a sort of zoom in zoom out animations.
From what i understand, HTC have set the options to "Some animations" in the settings by default. Could someone here go into Settings, Sound and Display, Animations, and set it to All Animations and report here if they see any changes?
htc contacts, gallery , dialer , camera and video , radio, weather ,friendstream are light years and galaxies far away from the aosp android ones...
Hey guys, as the title really!
I've been a long term user of Android Revolution (flashed the day I got my Desire HD!) but I've recently switched to Cyanogen 7 to check it out, and I'm pretty impressed.
Mike1986 has just released 5.1.10 which looks awesome, I'm just wondering if anyone has any comparisons between the two ROMS in term of speed/battery life?
Thanks!
I have tried a few sense roms(including AR) and cyanogenmod pretty much beats them in every aspect(speed, battery life, general usability)...
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If you want the stock HTC Sense look and feel then go with Android Revolution. However if you want Android as Google intended then use Cyanogenmod.
Personally i liked both ROM's but i just couldn't give up Sense in the end.
I'm guessing they're both similar in terms of optimisation and performance tweaks? ARHD boasts a massive amount of tweaks in their thread but I can't seem to find much regarding C7.
AR is fast and the life span of the battery is quit good but the gps signal was very poor compare to CM7 is really good on detecting gps signal. So far was not much comment except the gps problem from the sense rom.
I really like CyanogenMod more even though I love some of the functions on Sense like the clock and usb connection features eg: internet passthrough.
I tried out Android Revolution HD but in the end I went back to CyanogenMod. ARHD is just not as fast because of Sense and it takes a lot longer to boot up too.
I am using ARHD and i am very impressed, by now i dont have any intention to change it
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dunks1 said:
I'm guessing they're both similar in terms of optimisation and performance tweaks? ARHD boasts a massive amount of tweaks in their thread but I can't seem to find much regarding C7.
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If you wanted to read over the tweaks list for CM7 you'd have to invest a couple of hours of your time! While ARHD has plenty of tweaks, these are essential modifications of the stock ROM. CM7 is built from the ground up and has low level code modifications from some very bright minds indeed. From kernel and driver tweaks to the ARM optimisations, CM7 is always a step ahead in this respect.
Regards.
I don't use rosie (or any of the sense widgets therefore) but do like some of the sense apps - people, dialer, calendar etc are all better than stock. Does cyanogen keep these?
I used ARHD no sense for a while (tested CM 6 and a few others) but since CM7 was released I will stick to it. Simply the best and fastest rom in my opinion.
Latest CM7 Nightly + LordMod UE UUV + 26.09.04.11 Radio seems to be the best combination for my DHD
In my opinion Android Revolution is better, because it looks better for me.
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I don't use rosie (or any of the sense widgets therefore) but do like some of the sense apps - people, dialer, calendar etc are all better than stock. Does cyanogen keep these?
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no, it does not, but you can still use ARHD with the no-sense mod which keeps those "sense" apps
the only thing i like about sense rom is the frienstream and the camera.
Thanks for the replies guys!
I've changed back to CM7 with a custom kernel (LorDModUE V4.0 BFSv404), I can't see me changing this for a while!
I really like ARHD no-Sense. So, if Cyanogen will be released and be cool than ARHD - maybe will be migrated..
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the only thing i like about sense rom is the frienstream and the camera.
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Might be a stupid question but, you can't use the camera if you're not running sense???
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Might be a stupid question but, you can't use the camera if you're not running sense???
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You can't use the Sense camera app, you generally get the stock Android one instead. Some people prefer HTC's version, I don't use either so I can't really comment.
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To be honest, ARHD and CM7 both are good ROM, but CM7 have one big issue that can't solve until now.. the wired headset not working...
Speed wise, both not much different.
ARHD look much better...
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To be honest, ARHD and CM7 both are good ROM, but CM7 have one big issue that can't solve until now.. the wired headset not working...
Speed wise, both not much different.
ARHD look much better...
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WHAT!?!?!?! LOL!!! Dude, headset is working perfectly! I'm using it almost every day. The thing is that you have to configure your phone properly. It can easily be messed up by music apps.
Shinobee and Dod6 - you can configure CM7 to make it look the way you want. If you put a little work into it, the UI may look waaay better that Sense and won't require that much from the phone.
Just flashed arhd the other day and thought it was very nice, I've moved onto virtuous unity 2.39 now and I must say that I find it much smoother and more responsive. I'm probably gonna stick with this for a while but I've decided that my next ROM must be non sense so add to broaden my horizons, likely to be cyanogen 7 as a first choice.
Aside from themes and customization what are the differences? What should I expect using them ?
I'm on ARHD right now and been itching to flash to Viper rom but I'm leaving for a trip so I can't afford to switch roms in between.
If ARHD is working fine for you right now, then wait till you get back. I did the stupid mistake of flashing CM10 before a trip and it kinda made things really difficult. The camera was all messed up, GPS was acting up and battery life was quite unpredictable, so I couldn’t rely on my phone when I really needed it.
However, since Viper is also a sense ROM you wouldn’t notice that much of a difference, but still you never know what kind of trouble you might run into....
I'm relatively new to the forums so been reading up on everything, I just flashed ARHD today and it would be insane to switch immediately without giving it a try What happened to leedroid btw? Seems he's been inactive at the HOX forums, I really love his work on the Desire from way back.
I have been using the ViperX Rom now for awhile and besides the sheer Customisation of the ROMs I don't see any much difference (last ARHD Rom I used was 7.1)
But I must say that it is frikin awesome specially the whole auto software update so dont really have to manually flash your phone with the latest ROM/build each time
thats my 5c
ARHD is a stock rom tweaked by Mike to give you the better performance and great battery life. He removes all unwanted crapware and installs apps that are useful. there are a few mods as well that are made for his rom as well...just check Jotha's mods in his opening page of the thread..
Viper X is a stock rom as well but with a lot of tweaks by that team and very customizable. so many icon packs so many statusbar themes that you will have your lips drooling...all honesty both are great roms but for me ARHD gives me that extra edge cause you get great support, the dev is awesome and pure and simple it is one great freaking rom
Another Viper user here, and can't recommend it enough, not too much difference between them all, just personal choice, and i like running "de sensed". but i would also agree with previous advice in leave it until you return from your break, i have settled on Viper as my daily driver having tried others over the last few months (ARHD, Insertcoin, Leedroid, Jellybean)
Leedroid is having personal issues that's why there is no activity on the rom.
From my experience with ROMs based on stock firmware, they are all pretty much the same performance and battery wise. The difference comes in customization and so forth.
You might want to stay with ARHD because viper x is not running on the newest sense 4.1
Personally I prefer Viper rom purely just becuase of the amount of customizations which are not available on ARHD. If you wish to stay with a rom which has not strayed too far from stock, but has better performance then perhaps stay with ARHD. If you like to change the look of the theme and icons etc. I would highly suggest going for Viper which also includes many performance enhancements.
Either way they are both good.
Trying not to go off subject, you do however have many choices of kernels to use. Big differences can come in to play with the path you take. I peronally use faux.
Maybe a little OT but my 2 cents is the both of the two worlds:
I use InsertCoin Rom 7.3.0 and it is just perfect. You get the smoothness of ARHD and some tweaks of Viper roms.
I find EQS really good and just 1 theme has been released.
Ofcourse you can use ARHD and flash yourself all the mods, but it is easier pre-cooked imho
Did you compare the feature list of both rom's?
VIPER
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1745176
ARHD
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1562603
I am using ViperS and satisfy overall
No need to wake up an almost 2 year old thread.
Lets put it back to sleep.
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Hey guys
Currently I got MIUI installed on the incredible sexy HOX but want to change in hope to get better battery life and a more stable device.
Seems like I want to go with a sense-based ROM (the 4 mentioned in the title). I read through their changelog but can't really differentiate them....
so whats the difference between ARHD and InsertCoin?
ViperX seems to have some neat tweaks and mods/themes..... and Renovate is more or less a AOSP looking sense-rom... but how well do they perform on battery life and smoothness?
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Hey guys
Currently I got MIUI installed on the incredible sexy HOX but want to change in hope to get better battery life and a more stable device.
Seems like I want to go with a sense-based ROM (the 4 mentioned in the title). I read through their changelog but can't really differentiate them....
so whats the difference between ARHD and InsertCoin?
ViperX seems to have some neat tweaks and mods/themes..... and Renovate is more or less a AOSP looking sense-rom... but how well do they perform on battery life and smoothness?
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Have u tried maximus 3.0 I have tried the per. Version and it is faaaaaaaaast with battery life improvement
ARHD : everything is stock nothing fancy
ViperX: if u want tweaks and customization there you have it.
IC : didn't try this ROM sorry but all I know is that it is like viper x but less tweaks
Advice: flash viperX + ROM cleaner + foux6m
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Have u tried maximus 3.0 I have tried the per. Version and it is faaaaaaaaast with battery life improvement
ARHD : everything is stock nothing fancy
ViperX: if u want tweaks and customization there you have it.
IC : didn't try this ROM sorry but all I know is that it is like viper x but less tweaks
Advice: flash viperX + ROM cleaner + foux6m
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Thanks for your reply! I guess it also comes down which kernel I'm going to use... and foux6m might just be the winner!
AR-HD:
Most stable for me, everything works, it looks very solid, clean and nice, just like it was intended to look.
Battery is really great, it just works and that's what this ROM is supposed to do.
When I'm tired of other ROMs or get any problems with others this is what I flash back to, guaranteed to just work and be stable, if you need a reliable daily driver, I recommend you use this.
ViperX:
First of all, no offense to developers/designers but I really do hate the themed red looking icons and whatnot, and all of those other themed stuff but if you just use stock themes it's a great ROM with great tweaks that would suit the ROM to your needs, I've used this for a week but I noticed the battery wasn't really compared to AR-HD, if you depend on things like volume controls, tweaking the keyboard, removing the arrows or editing the status bar and assigning actions to the buttons I recommend this.
InsertCoin:
Used InsertCoin for a few days, I thought there would a nice amount of tweaks but I was disappointed, no offense to developers but with all those updates it seems like this ROM is kind of forced, nothing bad though.
Renovate:
First ROM I've flashed on my One X, the hybrid Sense/Senseless doesn't work for me though, if you really want something fast, I suggest you get an AOSP ROM.
After trial, must be ARHD
I was on ARHD, then moved to ViperX because of all the customization options. Didn’t notice much a of a difference in battery life. ARHD is good, but as far as customization goes, its no better than stock sense, unless you want to manually find various different mods and flash them through CWM. As for theming in ViperX, you don't have to use their color schemes and icons, I use the stock sense look (visually there is absolutely no difference).
I can fullly recommend ARHD :good:
ARHD will be coming with suite tools tweaks....might not be to the level of customizing like Viper X but still the best of both worlds if you ask me....
Viper rom is good but to bloated with all the tweaks....running it at the moment and i have to say it lags....not a lot but lags still were ARHD is buttery smooth...so i would say wait for the new version of ARHD mate
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ARHD will be coming with suite tools tweaks....might not be to the level of customizing like Viper X but still the best of both worlds if you ask me....
Viper rom is good but to bloated with all the tweaks....running it at the moment and i have to say it lags....not a lot but lags still were ARHD is buttery smooth...so i would say wait for the new version of ARHD mate
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Thanks for the hint about the upcoming update with the tweaks. That was the one reason why I might had slipped ARHD... it did not offer many customization/tweaks options.
Now I just have to find a suitable kernel, probably going to try faux-kernel
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All Sense ROMs have the same battery life, I don't know who said that you can improve battery life but surely not by using Sense ROMs, they have all the same battery life, it only depends on your usage (and the kernel you use)
I changed to Viper X then went back to Insert Coin
Viper X has more tweaks and features than any rom i've seen. Only thing that bothered me is was it was not as smooth as some of the other roms
I went back to Insert Coin, it's the smoothest and most bug-free sense ROM i've used, also battery life seems slightly better than Viper X. Not as many tweaks but I hardly used any of the Viper tweaks anyway
I had the same dilema, tried them all even no-sense custom roms but now im back on official MIUI 2.8.17, for me by far best looking, performing and battery friendly. Also has better tweaks, theming options, and built-in security. Don't go for non official MIUI i had some major issues with few of them. Maybe they fixed them all but they lost my trust. And every friday new update
I download from here: http://www.roms.miui-pt.com/original/index.php?dir=
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I had the same dilema, tried them all even no-sense custom roms but now im back on official MIUI 2.8.17, for me by far best looking, performing and battery friendly. Also has better tweaks, theming options, and built-in security. Don't go for non official MIUI i had some major issues with few of them. Maybe they fixed them all but they lost my trust. And every friday new update
I download from here: http://www.roms.miui-pt.com/original/index.php?dir=
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Interesting... so the new release 2.8.17 is a lot better? I used RD_MIUI version... and always had some issues with it.... like chinese fonts and battery drains or the annoying LBE-Guard...
Maybe I should let MIUI one more chance by installing the official-non tweaked version. I always thought that the tweaked version of like RD would boost significantly the performance and battery life of the device...
ARHD
I've been using ARHD since rooting my device and to be honest I didnt see any difference in battery life until I downloaded the final version of 6.3.1 with core droid suite tools... Remarkable difference from other test versions.
I'm using ViperX and a lot of the tweaks come in very handy. As far as battery life goes, I easily get 20 hours out of my device with no less than 4 hours of display time. This is with regular usage (whats app messages, some phone calls, Viber texting, taking pictures, pissing around on Flipboard, etc.).
I have not tried any other room but that's because I have not found a reason to switch to another one other than just to find out what they're like and once I get motivated enough, I will probably try the other ones
I guess my advice is to try them all out for at least a few battery cycles in order to see their full battery potential.
Whatever floats your boat, my man. There are plenty of ROMs and I'm sure you'll find one that you'll fall in love with.
ARHD has been the best for me so far. Quick, smooth, stable.
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I was on ARHD, then moved to ViperX because of all the customization options. Didn’t notice much a of a difference in battery life. ARHD is good, but as far as customization goes, its no better than stock sense, unless you want to manually find various different mods and flash them through CWM. As for theming in ViperX, you don't have to use their color schemes and icons, I use the stock sense look (visually there is absolutely no difference).
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What PhoenixFx said. I started out with Charmeleon (same team that made Viper) and was rather happy. Then updated to ViperX that i kept for over almost 2 months. Earlier this month I tried AR-HD 9.1, and currently running InsertCoin 9.2.0
First off, all roms are fast. You wont really notice any real difference between them as long as use same kernel. A difference of 2% in benchmarks is hardly noticeable in real world . Same goes for battery. It has more to do with kernel and settings than anything in roms.
Viper X is great rom. Its what (imo) a custom rom should be all about. OTA updates, tons of customizations, very stable. Its like stock when you want to or goes completely mad with red-theme (which i personally didnt like much). One big cudos here is the ability to adjust screen auto-brightness to lower values than default, much lower. That usually gave me a few hours extra at night.
Problem with ARHD is that it is just too stock. And with that in mind it becomes hard at times to see the point of having a custom rom (and losing OTA update options) so why not just go with stock rom? Thats what I was left with after about 10 days of using it. It was great as being first out with 2.17 base but after a couple days ViperX and IC also updated to same base.
InsertCoin is my current rom. Its not bad but I frankly dont see the point of it. To me, its like ViperX but lite.. minus OTA ability and too many updates that force full wipe twice a week. And it has a REALLY ANNOYING bootup sound, wtf is up with that?! Stable, for most part. But today i got stuck at lockscreen without any option to move the ring.. it got solved tho.
So here are my thoughts. I like ViperX because it is most different of stock sense roms. It lets me do lot of cool things right off the bat without ever going into recovery and flashing stuff manually.
Personally I'm back with stock for now which seems to be just as quick as the custom roms, and in some instances actually smoother. I think sometimes too many tweaks and add ons slow the phone down.
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InsertCoin is my current rom. Its not bad but I frankly dont see the point of it. To me, its like ViperX but lite.. minus OTA ability and too many updates that force full wipe twice a week. And it has a REALLY ANNOYING bootup sound, wtf is up with that?! Stable, for most part. But today i got stuck at lockscreen without any option to move the ring.. it got solved tho.
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I'd recommend InsertCoin too if what you want is just a clean and fast Sense ROM. I love it, and don't really mind that it's not full of a lot of tweaks and hacks.
And there's only an update that needs a full wipe with InsertCoin when the dev says it needs a full wipe. The last update that needed a full wipe was 9.3.0 last week, and that was only if you wanted the pt_BR language adding. Otherwise before that, the last update that did actually need a full wipe was 7.0 when he updated to the 2.05 base over 2 months ago.
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InsertCoin is my current rom. Its not bad but I frankly dont see the point of it. To me, its like ViperX but lite.. minus OTA ability and too many updates that force full wipe twice a week. And it has a REALLY ANNOYING bootup sound, wtf is up with that?! Stable, for most part. But today i got stuck at lockscreen without any option to move the ring.. it got solved tho.
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I prefer insertcoin because I want to keep a stock sense look and feel, I wanted to try ARHD but got a bit baffled with all the different mods available, you have to flash separately. Insertcoin makes is easy with the aroma installer and you can easily enable/disable tweaks and mods you don't want.
Also there are frequent updates so when small bugs are found, they are quickly fixed and contrary to what asestar writes, you don't have to wipe. I haven't wiped since the 1.29 based roms (v6.x)
As the title says, I'm interested to know which os / skin you are using (/ will use when the ota is available) and why? Whether you're using the new stock ROM or the latest version of android. Please share your experiences too (performance, battery life and bugs).
Thanks!
I like Sense WAY more than stock AOSP...
It adds so much functionality to android, and i like the look of it much more..
With Sense 5, it is smooth as ever so no need to have any aosp rom just for seed's sake
Don't like AOSP, never have.
That said I actually prefer Sense 4+ over Sense 5, from a purely visual point of view.
AOSP all the way. I just love how good multitasking is in CM10.2. On sense (even 4.2.2) if I switch to another app via recent apps i still get 0,5-2sec lag. The screen just shows a screenshot of my device and then loads the app... Having more apps open means more lag. On AOSP if it runs out of ram it just suspends the app... next time you open the app it reloads.
I can have 4 apps open in aosp and move between them in what seems like nanoseconds
On Sense if i have 4 apps running and i try to switch between them it always reloads and there is atleast 1sec lag.
AOSP has always been smoother aswell (atleast for me). Sense 5 improved a lot but AOSP still seems smoother.
Edit: I do like the way recent apps are shown in Sense 5... AOSP recent apps is visually more appealing but Sense 5 recent apps just seems so much more comfortable to use.
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