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I have permerooted my DZ but now I seem to be having trouble understanding How to get S-Off and I can't do a nandroid backup unless I get S-off right.
Manarch101 said:
I have permerooted my DZ but now I seem to be having trouble understanding How to get S-Off and I can't do a nandroid backup unless I get S-off right.
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Are you following the guide in the wiki?
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Manarch101 said:
I have permerooted my DZ but now I seem to be having trouble understanding How to get S-Off and I can't do a nandroid backup unless I get S-off right.
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First, yes you need S-Off to do a nandriod back up.
Second, you do not have permroot if you do not have S-Off. To get S-off there are several ways but I recommend using Rage+gfree found Here: in sub section "Rooting the Vision (G2/DZ) and DHD" This by far is the safest way to root.
But to let you make an informed decision there is also Visionary, now people in properly using this method, has produced a lot of soft bricks, I my self rooted this way, but again I still recommend using Rage+Gfree. But if you wish to still give Visionary a shot, Heres a link on how to properly use Visionary, make sure you follow everything to the "T". Read everything I have written in the post, do everything I have written in the post, then follow the videos exactly. But just to be clear, I am still recommending using the Rage+Gfree method. Happy Rooting.
ok joemm I tried the rage directions that you told me and I am not sure if it worked is there a way of knowing if it worked or not
Edit: nvm I can now get into CWM area which I could not get into before thanxs for the help and info.
What!!?? I know for a fact that you don't need s-off to do a nandroid. In fact, the ONLY thing s-off does that's of any significance is allow you to write to the system while it's booted - that's it. It's not some magic thing you absolutely need, just like having an ENG hboot isn't necessary to do 99% of the modifying you'll ever do.
This is a technical forum not some fire and brimstone 'do it or you'll die' sermon. Let's not construe fact and fiction/personal opinion on here. Just dish the facts unless otherwise rerquested.
As for gaining s-off, follow the wiki, push the files and you can literally copy and paste the commands if you need to (I suggest that so you don't screw up and brick your phone).
KCRic said:
What!!?? I know for a fact that you don't need s-off to do a nandroid. In fact, the ONLY thing s-off does that's of any significance is allow you to write to the system while it's booted - that's it. It's not some magic thing you absolutely need, just like having an ENG hboot isn't necessary to do 99% of the modifying you'll ever do.
This is a technical forum not some fire and brimstone 'do it or you'll die' sermon. Let's not construe fact and fiction/personal opinion on here. Just dish the facts unless otherwise rerquested.
As for gaining s-off, follow the wiki, push the files and you can literally copy and paste the commands if you need to (I suggest that so you don't screw up and brick your phone).
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LOL..........how does he flash a custom CWM recovery with out having a rooted phone? Remember he is using ClockWorkMod to do a back up?
KCRic said:
What!!?? I know for a fact that you don't need s-off to do a nandroid. In fact, the ONLY thing s-off does that's of any significance is allow you to write to the system while it's booted - that's it. It's not some magic thing you absolutely need, just like having an ENG hboot isn't necessary to do 99% of the modifying you'll ever do.
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S-OFF lets you flash unsigned images and overrides version checking ,it isn't just about writing to the system while booted. I think you may be confusing defeating the NAND write protection with the actual S-OFF.
As far as I know you need S-OFF to flash a custom recovery, and you need CWM recovery to do a nandroid backup. I have never tried flash_image but I would be suprised if that let you flash a custom recovery while S-ON, because flash_image is just a regular binary.
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S-OFF lets you flash unsigned images and overrides version checking ,it isn't just about writing to the system while booted. I think you may be confusing defeating the NAND write protection with the actual S-OFF.
As far as I know you need S-OFF to flash a custom recovery, and you need CWM recovery to do a nandroid backup. I have never tried flash_image but I would be suprised if that let you flash a custom recovery while S-ON, because flash_image is just a regular binary.
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True you can't flash a custom recovery and have it stick after a reboot but you can package it into an update.zip and flash it when you get into recovery. Aside from that you're phone performs the same. That's how we did everything on the MT slide before some one found a method to gain s-off. Of course there were no custom MTD partitions and we couldn't change the splash but that falls into the 1% of things the average 'rooter' will not attempt. The only reason we needed the ENG hboot was so that adb would catch our phone in recovery every time without running a loop.bat and praying to god. As far as NAND write protection, normally when a dev manages to break s-on they also break the write protection. At least that's what I've seen in phones with s-off. Are there any not like that?
Hopefully I didn't come off as an ass earlier, didn't mean it. I got 3 hours of sleep and I'm pulling a 13 hour day with a foot of fresh snow outside
I think you might be drawing too much comparison with earlier phones. The DZ and DHD have much stronger security than earlier phones. People familiar with experience of older HTC Android phones have often made incorrect assumptions about how things work on the DZ, some things are quite different (and typically much more complicated to unlock)
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steviewevie said:
People familiar with experience of older HTC Android phones have often made incorrect assumptions...
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Hell yes! And I'm one of them!
Last night I put some Cyanogen 6.1 flavoured ROM on my Magic/Sapphire. It was so easy: like 2 years ago or so I flashed some S-OFF ENG hboot, put some nice custom recovery on the phone and there I went, peacefully since ever. Reason for flashing the 6.1 CM was me giving the fone to my GF so that I can pick up a brand new Desire Z.
I came here, wanted to quickly crack that thing to play around with it and I find some gFree, Visionary, adb push stuff blah blah blah (I know my way around adb, that's not the point), it seems to have become alot more difficult than back in the days, as pointed out by steviewevie.
So, anyone willing to *quickly* summarize what has changed in the last 12 months regarding "rooting", "cracking" and ROM-customizing HTC devices for me...? I'm still, uhm... well, I'm shocked and overwhelmed. In the store I thought: cool, 7pm, device mine, home by 7:30, rooted by 8, Gingerbread-flavour on it by 8:30-9pm, ROM customization (settings and such) from 9-10, sleepy time by 10:30pm. Nah, it's past 10:30 and I'm still trying to figure out what's what with the new devices...
schaggo said:
Hell yes! And I'm one of them!
Last night I put some Cyanogen 6.1 flavoured ROM on my Magic/Sapphire. It was so easy: like 2 years ago or so I flashed some S-OFF ENG hboot, put some nice custom recovery on the phone and there I went, peacefully since ever. Reason for flashing the 6.1 CM was me giving the fone to my GF so that I can pick up a brand new Desire Z.
I came here, wanted to quickly crack that thing to play around with it and I find some gFree, Visionary, adb push stuff blah blah blah (I know my way around adb, that's not the point), it seems to have become alot more difficult than back in the days, as pointed out by steviewevie.
So, anyone willing to *quickly* summarize what has changed in the last 12 months regarding "rooting", "cracking" and ROM-customizing HTC devices for me...? I'm still, uhm... well, I'm shocked and overwhelmed. In the store I thought: cool, 7pm, device mine, home by 7:30, rooted by 8, Gingerbread-flavour on it by 8:30-9pm, ROM customization (settings and such) from 9-10, sleepy time by 10:30pm. Nah, it's past 10:30 and I'm still trying to figure out what's what with the new devices...
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Its become more difficult because device manufacturers have made it more difficult. The "official" means to root the Vision is posted on the Vision wiki page here at XDA.
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Thanks for the answer. I got the thing cracked in the meantime. The device feels so much smoother without Sense... and Gingerbread is good for one's soul
Although I rooted my own Desire back in May of last year, I have since moved on to a different phone and hence stopped following development etc for the Desire.
I have a work colleague who would like the benefits of a rooted, custom ROM but he has no experience in phone-modifying. He basically wants better battery life (so SetCPU would do the job for that) and more space for apps (Apps2SD the original, not Google's implementation). On top of that I'm sure he would probably enjoy the enhancements of the new Sense ROMs as well.
When I rooted my own Desire it was back in the days of fake-flash and I don't think my Desire was ever S-OFFed - I only had a moderate understanding of what I was doing, and there were a few brown trouser moments as I recall!
What I'm looking for is a complete guide start to finish of the easiest, least risky way to currently root a Desire and install custom recovery (presumably ClockworkMod & Rom Manager are standard for the Desire still?).
I've looked around the forums and found guides which explain some of it, however these threads run into 30, 40, 50+ pages which I think is a bit much reading if you don't really understand what you're reading about. Luckily I have an interest in it, but to my colleague it's just a means to an end, to get his phone working in a decent manner! Unsurprisingly, he is not interested in learning how a combustion engine works in order to drive his car either.
So, can someone write me a FOOLPROOF guide from start to finish:
1. Rooting and S-OFF (with a basic explanation of what this is),
2. Installing a custom recovery (again with an explanation of what this is, and how to use it, Nandroid backups etc)
3. Installing ROMs
I know I'm asking a bit much - I'm just trying to make it as easy as possible for my colleague without actually doing it myself, as I'm not really a good enough friend that if I did take his phone away for a couple of days, that he wouldn't mind if it came back bricked! It needs to be his decision to do it, and him doing it.
I am willing to donate if someone can put all this together for him.
This should have most of the things needed.
Don't worry about S-off since it is not needed and one of the only procedures that can really brick a phone.
Edit: Before starting with rooting, boot in to hboot and check the pvt version. If it's pvt4, the best thing to do is to use Amon_RA as a alternative recovery image. To do this just follow the guide but befoer clicking on root in Unrevoked go to "file" and select the alternative recovery.
You can use the unrevoked way which is too easy to do and if you want to S-Off, although not needed, you can visit AlphaRev
I would say for definite, forget about s-off. Not exactly sure what it is myself, but as it's completely unnecessary for the whole rooting/flashing procedure, why bother?
I rooted from a linux boot cd which sounds complicated but I think is actually easier as there's no faffing about with installing sync and then uninstalling it again.
S-Off disables NAND security on GSM phones. When you use unrevoked, it only disables it for CDMA. Also disabling the phones NAND security enables you to do further things like change the splash screen, install another Hboot, delete system apps and so on. If you think rooting gives you more freedom, S-Off gives you even more. It's there for those that need it though. It's not difficult if you do your research. But to be honest, it's an automated process with it working 99.9% of the time.
I did s off without hitch 100% safe.
Also new hboot new recovery with android flasher.
GoogleJelly said:
S-Off disables NAND security on GSM phones. When you use unrevoked, it only disables it for CDMA. Also disabling the phones NAND security enables you to do further things like change the splash screen, install another Hboot, delete system apps and so on. If you think rooting gives you more freedom, S-Off gives you even more. It's there for those that need it though. It's not difficult if you do your research. But to be honest, it's an automated process with it working 99.9% of the time.
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S-OFF does nothing though bar mean you can delete apps without having to be in recovery. for someone who has no idea about modding it's just not worth doing. Rooting and using a custom Senes-based ROM will do the job just fine
It does way more than mean you can just delete apps. The methods for installing stuff these days are more or less 100% bug free and won't bugger up your device. Why not give it a go? Just make sure you read info and research it a little first before you start. Just don't do what I did and almost brick it
But if the OP doesn't know how to root then they're not going to need to S-OFF are they? Seems pointless
I did S-OFF for two reasons:
1) To install custom HBOOT so that I get more space in /data
2) For the hell of it.....
EDIT: I think some of the ROMs need S-OFF enabled (I'm not sure....) but, at the same time, I don't think S-OFF is absolutely necessary.
S-Off isn't necessary to have. No rom requires you to have it. It is just something that you may as well have if you root because it gives you way more freedom.
Totally disagree, it's not needed at all if you just want the phone to work. Custom ROM with A2SD+ is MORE than enough for a complete n00b
EddyOS said:
Totally disagree, it's not needed at all if you just want the phone to work. Custom ROM with A2SD+ is MORE than enough for a complete n00b
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Agree completely. If you want to explore custom ROM's, get A2SD etc then root. Once you're happy with the whole root/recovery/flashing thing THEN look at s-off if it is necessary to do what you want. For a lot of people it really isn't required at all, and it definitely shouldn't be the first thing you think of doing.
Hi, I tried posting this in the ' Upgrading, Modifying Sticky Roll-Up Thread **Check this thread BEFORE posting** ' thread yesterday before posting here, but it would appear it's not being answered anymore...
Anyway, I've just spent the last few days attempting to root my phone - most of it has been dead-ends, but I've made an amount of progress that actually surprises me! But I've come to this forum in an attempt to jump (hopefully) my last hurdle.
My phone is a HTC Sensation XE (Beats Audio), Android version 4.0.3, HBoot version 1.27.0000.
I bought it a little over a year ago from AmazonUK, with the SIM already unlocked. But other than that, I believe it was completely stock.
Now, over the past few days my primary goal was to root my phone, so far I've managed to unlock the bootloader with HTCDev, S-Off using the wire trick and (I think) perform a successful flash recovery with the clockwork recovery .img file - not sure if the recovery did work or not though, because it didn't actually install anything on boot-up... which I think it was meant to, wasn't it? I need some enlightening on this please :angel:
Anyway, these processes I've done have come from all different sources on the web, purely because nowhere has a solid system that completely works for me! either something is the wrong version, or its out of date, or it doesn't work with my phone for some obscure reason. However, I've made it this far and am now stuck with getting my phone finally rooted! I'm not sure if it's to do with a failed recovery or something, but could someone point me in the right direction or at least some sort of direction so I can say if I've already tried it or if it actually works, please!
Thank you!!
Okay guys, I just have a couple of quick (I hope) questions in regards to rooting an HTC One M7 on Verizon Wireless.
I've done a lot of research and I am genuinely confused about everything and really just need a few questions answered. I've done my research and done my googling but I still need some help.
I haven't rooted a phone in probably well over 2-3 years. The last phone I rooted was a HTC Evo on Sprint which was a breeze. I've had my HTC One for a little over a year now I believe. I'm getting kind of bored of it and I saw that CyanogenMod has come a long way since I last used it. Through my research I have found that the Verizon HTC One M7 is kind of difficult and complicated to root and I apparently need to S-OFF as well, which I have no experience with. My phone has been kept up-to-date (I know that's a bad thing in this case) and I'm running Android 4.4.3, software number 5.28.605.2, baseband version 1.13.41.0702. I'm not sure what out of that information is relevant but there you have it.
What I'm wanting to do is unlock/root/whatever my phone, install CWM recovery, and CM11. Now from the research I have done it appears that if I purchase SunShine S-Off (which looks like my only option) it will s-off, root, and unlock everything that is necessary to install the custom recovery and ROM.
So my questions are this:
I'm terrified of freezing/boot-loops because this is the first phone I'd be rooting without the ability of popping the battery out for a hard restart. Is it safe to modify this phone? Are there usually any issues?
Will SunShine do everything that I need to go from a stock Verizon HTC One to being able to flash CWM and CM11?
Are there any good tutorials on doing this with the latest updated Verizon HTC One M7? A lot of the tutorials I find seem to be outdated.
If the answer to the second question is yes, then all I need to do is purchase SunShine, follow install instructions for CWM, and follow install instructions for CM11, correct?
Thanks for your time and putting up with my stupid questions.
sector2112 said:
Okay guys, I just have a couple of quick (I hope) questions in regards to rooting an HTC One M7 on Verizon Wireless.
I've done a lot of research and I am genuinely confused about everything and really just need a few questions answered. I've done my research and done my googling but I still need some help.
I haven't rooted a phone in probably well over 2-3 years. The last phone I rooted was a HTC Evo on Sprint which was a breeze. I've had my HTC One for a little over a year now I believe. I'm getting kind of bored of it and I saw that CyanogenMod has come a long way since I last used it. Through my research I have found that the Verizon HTC One M7 is kind of difficult and complicated to root and I apparently need to S-OFF as well, which I have no experience with. My phone has been kept up-to-date (I know that's a bad thing in this case) and I'm running Android 4.4.3, software number 5.28.605.2, baseband version 1.13.41.0702. I'm not sure what out of that information is relevant but there you have it.
What I'm wanting to do is unlock/root/whatever my phone, install CWM recovery, and CM11. Now from the research I have done it appears that if I purchase SunShine S-Off (which looks like my only option) it will s-off, root, and unlock everything that is necessary to install the custom recovery and ROM.
So my questions are this:
I'm terrified of freezing/boot-loops because this is the first phone I'd be rooting without the ability of popping the battery out for a hard restart. Is it safe to modify this phone? Are there usually any issues?
Will SunShine do everything that I need to go from a stock Verizon HTC One to being able to flash CWM and CM11?
Are there any good tutorials on doing this with the latest updated Verizon HTC One M7? A lot of the tutorials I find seem to be outdated.
If the answer to the second question is yes, then all I need to do is purchase SunShine, follow install instructions for CWM, and follow install instructions for CM11, correct?
Thanks for your time and putting up with my stupid questions.
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Sunshine will unlock boot loader and gain S_off. I used it on my Vzw m7, best investment I ever made. After using sunshine all u have to do is flash custom recovery and then SuperSu
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bdizzle1686 said:
Sunshine will unlock boot loader and gain S_off. I used it on my Vzw m7, best investment I ever made. After using sunshine all u have to do is flash custom recovery and then SuperSu
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how do i flash custom recovery? any instruction / link ? tks
**subscribed**as I'm in the almost exact same scenario as OP.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2416431
Adb reboot bootloader.
Fastboot flash recovery *name-of-image*.img
Fastboot reboot (or select recovery to be in twrp from bootloader menu and press power button)
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So I just got the M9 and I'm coming from a Rezound(!). I'm exploring the forums trying to learn about the flashing methods for this phone and what I need to be concerned about and not finding that much in the Vzw M9 area, not complaining, just saying.
So, wondering if reading the other M9 threads and perhaps the M8 threads will help? Is it the same overall method?
I found the thread for TWRP and how to get that on the phone and see that the file name for flashing should be 0PJAIMG.zip... but there's a "download" mode that wasn't on the Rezzy so I'd like to learn more about it all in time for what will possibly be an active Marshmallow season.
Thanks.
First off you need to get S-Off and the only way to do that with the Verizon version is JavaCard/Clip. You will need to send your device to someone who has one, go meet some one who has one, or buy one yourself. Check this thread for who can get your phone S-Off'ed http://forum.xda-developers.com/verizon-one-m9/general/m9-java-card-t3063247
I mailed mine to @dottat and the process was very simple. After that follow the guide you found for installing TWRP and flashing roms will be that same as before.
nrage23 said:
First off you need to get S-Off and the only way to do that with the Verizon version is JavaCard/Clip. You will need to send your device to someone who has one, go meet some one who has one, or buy one yourself. Check this thread for who can get your phone S-Off'ed http://forum.xda-developers.com/verizon-one-m9/general/m9-java-card-t3063247
I mailed mine to @dottat and the process was very simple. After that follow the guide you found for installing TWRP and flashing roms will be that same as before.
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Thanks for the reply. (I'm 'thanking' so much these days I don't have any more xda thanks to give out)
Yeah, I'm probably going to send it to dottat as well. Have been in touch with him about this already.
I just want to study up on how things work on this phone. When I got the Rezzy it was at the very beginning and that was my first smartphone so luckily I was able to learn along with the progress of the devs figuring out that phone.
Now I'm jumping in midstream and I've forgotten a lot of what I learned before cuz I've been running the same ROM for a couple years. I'm reading the "normal" M9 forums now so see how things work in general on this beast at least.
If you like Sense and Customization the ViperOne 3.5.0 is a hard ROM to beat. Verizon M9's cannot use the recently released ViperOne 4.1.1 since we do not have a MarshMallow Firmware yet.
Yeah, I like Sense. I've never tried not using it though.
Looked for ViperOne and found it under the general M9 ROMs. So that answers something I was wondering about, the ROMs in the general M9 section might be able to be used on the Vzw M9s as well. That's great!
I'm going to get my nano sim today and will take the latest update for this Vzw phone, will I still be able to run that ViperOne version you mentioned?
I attached what my phone is right now, before checking for OTAs. I bought it from Swappa so it may have the latest as it is not rooted or unlocked. (that's what the listing said and it came to me factory wiped, I don't know if I can/should check if it was in the past.)
Thanks!
Feralicious, the M9 is vastly different than the Rezound. M9's don't have hboot, like the Rezound did. M9's can't be S-Offed with the "wire trick." (There's no back to open, for starters). @dottat is the man, liberated my M9. Fastboot USB is done in "download mode" which is accessed from "aboot" (instead of hboot). It looks just like the Rezound's hboot, but it has two relevant options: (1) recovery mode and (2) download mode (as well as factory reset, reboot, and power down). But, unlike with the Rezound, if you connect your M9 to the PC in aboot, nothing happens.
Secondly, writing to \system on the Rezound won't break anything. You can roll backwards and get OTA's. If you EVER write to the \system on an M9, you'll never get an OTA again (unless you have done a nandroid of system-image which you can restore).
It's generally a "more secure" system from HTC's point of view (and has been giving devs the fits for a bit). TWRP is the recovery of choice on the M9. My recollection is that on the Rezound clockworkmod's recovery was preferred.
There are a few more differences. One thing that hasn't changed is the tendency of the handset to overheat.
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Feralicious, the M9 is vastly different than the Rezound. M9's don't have hboot, like the Rezound did. M9's can't be S-Offed with the "wire trick." (There's no back to open, for starters). @dottat is the man, liberated my M9. Fastboot USB is done in "download mode" which is accessed from "aboot" (instead of hboot). It looks just like the Rezound's hboot, but it has two relevant options: (1) recovery mode and (2) download mode (as well as factory reset, reboot, and power down). But, unlike with the Rezound, if you connect your M9 to the PC in aboot, nothing happens.
Secondly, writing to \system on the Rezound won't break anything. You can roll backwards and get OTA's. If you EVER write to the \system on an M9, you'll never get an OTA again (unless you have done a nandroid of system-image which you can restore).
It's generally a "more secure" system from HTC's point of view (and has been giving devs the fits for a bit). TWRP is the recovery of choice on the M9. My recollection is that on the Rezound clockworkmod's recovery was preferred.
There are a few more differences. One thing that hasn't changed is the tendency of the handset to overheat.
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I posted a stock nandroid in the 5.1 thread and we also have an ruu that will suffice for users as well.
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hgoldner said:
Feralicious, the M9 is vastly different than the Rezound. M9's don't have hboot, like the Rezound did. M9's can't be S-Offed with the "wire trick." (There's no back to open, for starters). @dottat is the man, liberated my M9. Fastboot USB is done in "download mode" which is accessed from "aboot" (instead of hboot). It looks just like the Rezound's hboot, but it has two relevant options: (1) recovery mode and (2) download mode (as well as factory reset, reboot, and power down). But, unlike with the Rezound, if you connect your M9 to the PC in aboot, nothing happens.
Secondly, writing to \system on the Rezound won't break anything. You can roll backwards and get OTA's. If you EVER write to the \system on an M9, you'll never get an OTA again (unless you have done a nandroid of system-image which you can restore).
It's generally a "more secure" system from HTC's point of view (and has been giving devs the fits for a bit). TWRP is the recovery of choice on the M9. My recollection is that on the Rezound clockworkmod's recovery was preferred.
There are a few more differences. One thing that hasn't changed is the tendency of the handset to overheat.
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That's some great info, thanks!
I'm taking notes from everything I'm reading in the general M9 forums, will look for info on doing the nand of system-image.
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Just a note-
I posted a stock nandroid in the 5.1 thread and we also have an ruu that will suffice for users as well.
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So you're saying the stock nand and that RUU suffice to rollback?
feralicious said:
That's some great info, thanks!
I'm taking notes from everything I'm reading in the general M9 forums, will look for info on doing the nand of system-image.
So you're saying the stock nand and that RUU suffice to rollback?
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Yes, @dottat is the guy you need for S-OFF, and, his posts can get you back to stock to take OTA updates (once your S-OFF that really wont matter though).
Perfect answer @hgoldner sums it up exactly ("wire trick" LOL. Scared the crap out of me, but worked like a charm. Miss my Rezound).
sdamark said:
Yes, @dottat is the guy you need for S-OFF, and, his posts can get you back to stock to take OTA updates (once your S-OFF that really wont matter though).
Perfect answer @hgoldner sums it up exactly ("wire trick" LOL. Scared the crap out of me, but worked like a charm. Miss my Rezound).
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Haha... I was too worried about doing the wire trick and didn't feel I had to do it so I never did. 2 years later went s-off using the software route that had come out.
Now I feel like I'm new to smartphones again since there's so much new stuff to learn about! Just got my sim card in tonight and I'm loving this so far! Glad everything works on the phone too, I think I got a good deal!