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Hey guys,what's up?
I had a screen protector on my Desire's screen which recently became full of scratches and had some air bubbles below it,so I decided to remove it(using the screen feels much nicer without it btw! ).But unfortunately I am not sure what our screens can take.Are they scratch resistan like the Leo's screen?If not,should I put a protector in again?
Thanks!
tolis626 said:
Hey guys,what's up?
I had a screen protector on my Desire's screen which recently became full of scratches and had some air bubbles below it,so I decided to remove it(using the screen feels much nicer without it btw! ).But unfortunately I am not sure what our screens can take.Are they scratch resistan like the Leo's screen?If not,should I put a protector in again?
Thanks!
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ive removed the screen protector two months ago and i found that i'm enjoying the desire a lot more without it
the glass itself seems resistant, i didn't have any scratches yet not even a slight one but i keep my device in a pouch so i don't know how it would stand in a rougher environment
seems better than the diamond screen which used to get damaged by finger nails
I have exactly the same doubt, I removed the screen case about two weeks ago and it feels nicer, but don't know if it will get any scratch. I also have the phone inside a TPU case, but is not that beautiful that way so I'm tempted to remove it also, but don't wana break my phone
I've had my desire for over 5 months, have never had a case or screen protector and the screen is completely unscratched. By contrast the silver buttons do have light scratching.
I keep it in my jeans pocket and try to avoid putting keys and coins in the same pocket.
I think the screen is pretty scratch resistant and after my experience with it would never consider a screen protector.
Well,I only take my phone out of its case to use it,so it is safe when in my pocket or anything like that.And it is glass,not some cheap plastic,right?Glass doesn't get scratched easily!
lanroth said:
I've had my desire for over 5 months, have never had a case or screen protector and the screen is completely unscratched. By contrast the silver buttons do have light scratching.
I keep it in my jeans pocket and try to avoid putting keys and coins in the same pocket.
I think the screen is pretty scratch resistant and after my experience with it would never consider a screen protector.
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Exactly the same here.
However I put mine in a TPU case when at work as I'm a mobile engineer and the places I work can tend to be a bit messy. The Desire's screen is much more scratch resistant than my old Touch HD due to the screen being capacitive and made of glass rather than plastic.
As long as you don't put it in your pocket with anything else and you're not too rough when cleaning the screen you should be fine.
tolis626 said:
Well,I only take my phone out of its case to use it,so it is safe when in my pocket or anything like that.And it is glass,not some cheap plastic,right?Glass doesn't get scratched easily!
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Nope but it still does...trust me, a friend of mine tried to experience the sense of freedom, mocking me for making mine look like a tank with tpu case and brando ultra clear...now a few days ago (2 months usage, and he's a bank clerk, not a marine) noticed that his screen is all covered in tiny micro-scratches: they don't annoy much imo, but you know...also, even almost invisible scratches could weaken the glass increasing its chance to break.
Long story short: don't listen to what the Pope says, use condoms!
vnvman said:
Nope but it still does...trust me, a friend of mine tried to experience the sense of freedom, mocking me for making mine look like a tank with tpu case and brando ultra clear...now a few days ago (2 months usage, and he's a bank clerk, not a marine) noticed that his screen is all covered in tiny micro-scratches: they don't annoy much imo, but you know...also, even almost invisible scratches could weaken the glass increasing its chance to break.
Long story short: don't listen to what the Pope says, use condoms!
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Hahahahahahahahahahahahahah!Epic!You wrote history!
Well,I did buy a pair of protectors,but it feels so much nicer without them...It's frickin' glass and I am to cover it with plastic?Anyways,I use a case(a leather one if it matters) so I don't think I'll have a problem.What do you guys think?
tolis626 said:
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahah!Epic!You wrote history!
Well,I did buy a pair of protectors,but it feels so much nicer without them...It's frickin' glass and I am to cover it with plastic?Anyways,I use a case(a leather one if it matters) so I don't think I'll have a problem.What do you guys think?
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Idk..i'm kinda skeptical towards those cases..i my girl bought one for her ipoo, and not too much after she had a nice big scratch right in the middle of the "omfgappleroxstevejobsisgoduberantiscratchglassverybigbigdeal". I could take a wild guess saying that having a case will mostly increase you chance of doing something bad to your phone: eg, a grain of sand in your pocket won't be likely to harm the phone in any way, but if you have a tight case and that little bad boy ends inside it might even literally CARVE the glass..you know, with a grain of sand it's like glass vs (rough) glass, aka very very bad...
Also, i can recall that almost all of the (lot of) times my old sweet Htc Cruise fell, that happened while i was trying to pull it out or putting it back inside its case
Imho tpu case (plus protective film of your choice) rules, hands down.
The desire's screen is not resistance to scratches, I had mine for 1 month had it in an case but, never placed an screen protector. I always kept it away from coins and keys, but after 1 month it developed a scratch which wasn't an regular scratch it seemed to be blurry and disorder with was super annoying. so, my point is get an screen protector before it's too late.
It's really just a question of wich screen protector you use, i've had 3 (including htc's own) and the last one (wich was sent to me for free when i complined about the htc one!!) is hand's down the best i've had. It didn't leave a single bubble, it's hard to see it's even there and it's more slippery then the screen itself so it makes the whole experience seem smoother, i'm very happy with it!!!!
PS: don't ask the make 'cause i really can't remember, but the message is; find the right screen protector=experience as good as without!!
Hi all,
I was thinking of removing my factory built in shatter proof screen protector that every one has because mine has a fair amount of scratches on it.. I was just asking for your opinion if i should do it?
For people who have removed it:
-Is there many scratches on your phone
-was it worth it
-does it overall feel, feel better
-would i have to buy a screen protector to avoid grease all over it. (i read somewhere that oil and grease builds up fast)
Im thinking of doing it, but i would like peoples opinion on it
Im also using a xperia s
The Touch response will improve after you remove it. But if u want to avoid further scratches after the removal then attach another screen protector.
Go ahead if you want to remove it. But let me share something with you.
The pre-installed protector on one of my phone got scratched and i applied another screen guard over it. I wasn't able to notice any scratches thereafter. ( Obviously until the upper one got scratched )
But my pre-installed protector wasn't intensely scratched
On the other hand, I've removed the pre-installed protector on my Arc S ( it's been several months now ) and not even a single scratch exists on it's screen. The screen is scratch resistant.
What auni said is absolutely wise, install a new screen guard when you remove the old one . That would just add to the safety
you can remove the built in screen protector if you wan't .
I did it on mine also, it had alot of scratches on it .
I bought a new one for a few euro's and it's like new
Thanks guys, ill do it as soon as i get a screen protector
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Anybody got matte screen protector on XS?
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Li-polymers said:
Hi all,
I was thinking of removing my factory built in shatter proof screen protector that every one has because mine has a fair amount of scratches on it.. I was just asking for your opinion if i should do it?
For people who have removed it:
-Is there many scratches on your phone
-was it worth it
-does it overall feel, feel better
-would i have to buy a screen protector to avoid grease all over it. (i read somewhere that oil and grease builds up fast)
Im thinking of doing it, but i would like peoples opinion on it
Im also using a xperia s
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I have removed mine, which was badly scratched. It was ugly even when new: I don't understand why Sony needed to put garbage plastic on top of scratch proof glass, which is probably as good as Gorilla glass. The touch has since significantly improved. So has the look: brighter and clearer. I used scalpel just to lift the edge on top right corner of the screen and then peeled the plastic off. In my opinion, you don't need any screen protector at all: I have been using the phone for 2 months -- not a scratch...
I removed it then used windex to clean the screen because of the grease build up, and wow windex works good for preventing build up of grease
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I removed my shatter-shyte protector after a few days. It's really a useless "accesorry". But the screen itself, even after cleaning, gets oily/greasy very quickly and it's a pain to clean it, just gets smodged all over, so I recommend everyone to install a quality screen protector.
I use teh Spigen Ultra Thin Crystal protector and the touch responsivness is superb and makes for a easier cleaning when it gets oily. Just wipe it with your shirt and it's done(something which didn't work with no screen protector). The Spigen is a little expensive but I've been using it for 6 months and not a scratch on it, so IMO it's worth the investment.
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I removed my shatter-shyte protector after a few days. It's really a useless "accesorry". But the screen itself, even after cleaning, gets oily/greasy very quickly and it's a pain to clean it, just gets smodged all over, so I recommend everyone to install a quality screen protector.
I use teh Spigen Ultra Thin Crystal protector and the touch responsivness is superb and makes for a easier cleaning when it gets oily. Just wipe it with your shirt and it's done(something which didn't work with no screen protector). The Spigen is a little expensive but I've been using it for 6 months and not a scratch on it, so IMO it's worth the investment.
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cool, thanks for the tip, the only reason why mine gets really oily because my hands are sweaty from the hot weather in Australia in Melbourne, even thou it autumn, 30 C and above, crazy.
I'm just curious if anyone has removed it and it is better with no issues. I didn't get the extra one in the box and the one on there already has a hairline scratch that is annoying me, I've never had a screen protector on any smartphone before....
i have removed it and no the sony logo doesnt peel off like on the z, i have applied IQ screen protector and it is way better int terms of scratches and fingerprint smudges.
sirsmokey said:
i have removed it and no the sony logo doesnt peel off like on the z, i have applied IQ screen protector and it is way better int terms of scratches and fingerprint smudges.
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Thanks, I'll check into that screen protector. I was curious too if anyone has left it off (without another one) and had any issues - I've read some people saying it has no oleophobic coating so gets a lot of fingerprints. And so I read about a product called Fusso Smartphone http://www.amazon.com/Anti-fingerprint-Oleophobic-SmartPhone-TM-necessary/dp/B008HVBU9O and am thinking maybe this can be used? Or is it good by itself after removing screen protector
I would only suggest that u use a screen protector made specifically for your phone brand and model type.
Should you get a protector ? only you can decide what kind of person you are and how to treat things you purchase.
but in my instance
I took my OEM screen protector off a day earlier than when the new one was to arrive. that was a long day, constantly had to remind my self to be careful of where I put my phone. I am quite pleased with IQ s screen protector
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i have removed it and no the sony logo doesnt peel off like on the z, i have applied IQ screen protector and it is way better int terms of scratches and fingerprint smudges.
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it mean sony logo still there even i remove the screen protector ?
yes it is still there. on the xperia z it does come off
keith777 said:
I'm just curious if anyone has removed it and it is better with no issues. I didn't get the extra one in the box and the one on there already has a hairline scratch that is annoying me, I've never had a screen protector on any smartphone before....
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The screen film that comes stock on the Xperia ZL (as well as the Z) is not a screen protector...it is a film (protector) to help keep the glass from shattering. I have heard and seen the video where the kid decides to remove this level of protection. Why? Because he is crazy. I purchased the Skinomi Tech Skin screen protector (wet application) and installed it right over the stock film and it works beautifully. No degradation of the HD screen quality nor sensitivity of touch. Now, I have both a screen protector on top of the film to protect the screen from shattering as originally shipped from Sony.
I am not sure of the tempered nature of the Sony screens. Definitely not Gorilla Glass 1 or 2 but, I have heard it is from an Asian company that makes similar screens to Gorilla Glass (I thing it is called Dragontrail). I guess you could argue if the screen on the ZL was of the Gorilla Glass quality or better, the point would be mute, and no screen or shatter film protection would be necessary.
Good quality screen protector is a small investment to protect such a beautiful phone.
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The screen film that comes stock on the Xperia ZL (as well as the Z) is not a screen protector...it is a film (protector) to help keep the glass from shattering. I have heard and seen the video where the kid decides to remove this level of protection. Why? Because he is crazy. I purchased the Skinomi Tech Skin screen protector (wet application) and installed it right over the stock film and it works beautifully. No degradation of the HD screen quality nor sensitivity of touch. Now, I have both a screen protector on top of the film to protect the screen from shattering as originally shipped from Sony.
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Sorry, but you are incorrect. It is a screen protector. In Japan, it is really common practice to sell phones with factory/service installed screen protector, because it saves person from trouble of trying to apply protector without dust getting under it, also adhesive could be used for more robust installation. So when somebody scratches theirs, they just pop in the service to get protector replaced instead of replacing whole screen - it saves company & user lot of costs.
This film protects glass from shattering to extent, but no more than any screen protector does. Its pointless to install second protector on top of it, this will only reduce backlight brightness & sensitivity (even if slightly).
Whatever it is, it sucks. I've never had a screen protector before, the glass feels way better to me, and probably looks a little better. The thing that comes on here scratches so easy - all I ever do it set it down screen up or put it in my pocket with nothing else in that pocket. Not to mention the lint it attracts..
I ordered the Fusso smartphone stuff for applying an oleophobic coating, seems to have gotten mostly good reviews, when I get it i'm removing this screen protector. I'll post results when i'm done..
So I removed the screen protector, wasn't hard at all just had to use a pin to get it started. To me, the glass feels way better and looks better. I applied the Fusso smartphone for adding an oleophobic coating last night. So far so good, after being on the phone a little bit this morning I saw some fingerprints and just used my shirt to wipe them off and they came right off - I guess the oleophobic coating is working, although it didn't seem bad even before I put it on the glass. Sony should really abandon the practice of putting a screen protector on new phones ( i don't think anyone else does), maybe include it, but this feels way better to me without it.
keith777 said:
So I removed the screen protector, wasn't hard at all just had to use a pin to get it started. To me, the glass feels way better and looks better. I applied the Fusso smartphone for adding an oleophobic coating last night. So far so good, after being on the phone a little bit this morning I saw some fingerprints and just used my shirt to wipe them off and they came right off - I guess the oleophobic coating is working, although it didn't seem bad even before I put it on the glass. Sony should really abandon the practice of putting a screen protector on new phones ( i don't think anyone else does), maybe include it, but this feels way better to me without it.
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So... Sony logo really doesn't come off with the screen protector right? Good to know.
A question: Is the screen really scratch resistant? Searched for some videos and didn't find any screen scratch test, etc. I know you're not going to scratch your screen just to test it, but, do you leave it with keys, coins...? Would be glad to know if gets scratched easily or not. And when you take off the screen protector, is there any hard to remove glue on the screen?
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So... Sony logo really doesn't come off with the screen protector right? Good to know.
A question: Is the screen really scratch resistant? Searched for some videos and didn't find any screen scratch test, etc. I know you're not going to scratch your screen just to test it, but, do you leave it with keys, coins...? Would be glad to know if gets scratched easily or not. And when you take off the screen protector, is there any hard to remove glue on the screen?
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What do you mean by "really scratch resistant"? Do you mean scratch-proof? Because its not, and there is no such thing as scratch-proof material. If you find something harder than glass, you can scratch it. Ordinary sand is the best example.
If you carry phone in pocket with keys (or in jeans pocket with studs which could contact screen when you move it from/to pocket), I recommend using screen protector.
To remove tackiness which could be left from original one, just use some alcohol to clean it.
Well i am a little bummed, i have a nice scratch in my week old Sony Smartwatch 3.... I hit the face of it on the corner of some granite counter tops on accident........ and now have a little cut in it. I don't think i really have any options, besides sending it to sony for repairs. I wounder what they would charge me? Just my luck..... oh well...
Had planned on getting a screen protector when they became available....
same with me, 1 week and 1 diagonal line from one corner to another.. gorilla glass would have been nice.. I didn't even think to screen protect (should have, horse bolted now)
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same with me, 1 week and 1 diagonal line from one corner to another.. gorilla glass would have been nice.. I didn't even think to screen protect (should have, horse bolted now)
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I may look a seeing what sony will charge to repair...
There are screen protectors for this watch on Amazon UK. I wonder how good they are...
Ouch..sorry to hear, but thanks for sharing as I usually don't by protectors and now I will. Please do share if/when you find the repair price. Super longshot I know, but maybe Sony could realize this is a warranty issue since it is a device that should be able to take some bumps
Ok, so here is an update. Sony does not fix them. (That is what I was told) so I was advised to file a claim that the watch was not as durable as expected. I will send in the watch and see what they say. Best case they send me a replacement, worst case the send my old one back..
Hello guys,
Do you know what kind of screen it is if it's not Gorilla Glass ?
I've tryed a screen protector from Vikuiti CV8 but, as I feared, it is very difficult to apply it on a cambered surface. And on a little screen like this the lesser bubble is so annoying and visible that I prefer risking with no protector.
Has anyone tried on of these out yet?
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Skinomi®-Te...sr=8-2&keywords=smartwatch+3+screen+protector
Must admit ive never used a screen protector on a phone before - tried many many years ago but kept on getting bubbles so gave up!
Just wondering if they are easy to apply, very noticiable and whether you lose any sensitivity. Pretty worried about getting my SW3 screen scratched.
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Has anyone tried on of these out yet?
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Skinomi®-Te...sr=8-2&keywords=smartwatch+3+screen+protector
Must admit ive never used a screen protector on a phone before - tried many many years ago but kept on getting bubbles so gave up!
Just wondering if they are easy to apply, very noticiable and whether you lose any sensitivity. Pretty worried about getting my SW3 screen scratched.
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Usually i'm quite good to apply screen protectors to phones but I tried on my watch and it is too difficult on a cambered surface...
My experience with skinomi - easy to apply, not too much rubbery feel, but glares more outside. OK for the price until something better comes out.
Polywatch could be your friend.
Have you tried using Polywatch to remove the scratches?
You can give it a try.
Replacement
Any chance of getting a replacement glass?
I use one of these, Matt too which stops showing finger smudges so much.
easy to apply and no bubbles.
BROTECT Matte Protector for Sony Smartwatch 3 SWR50 Screen Protector Matte, Anti-Glare Protection Film
So since this phone is so inexpensive, are we going to get screen protectors for it? Or just let it go? I'm probably going to get something simple, like this one, just for some basic protection. Is anyone else planning on getting any sort of protection?
Thanks in advance!
I bougth one and after 2 weeks is scratched and has a crack so you should no spend your money on this
Yeah, the tempered glass screen protector is pretty good.
i usually just let it go, feel better than cover any protectors
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I depends on how do you use you screen.
I have own a Galaxy S, SIII and now this Moto E 2015 , and never ever used a screen protector. No scratches on screen. Nevertheless I know some people using the phone as a kitchen cutting table and have the same results (as the kitchen table).
Gorilla glass is pretty hard though.
I actually have screen protectors on my devices just so because it feels good to know there's an added protection. You may want to check this one.
The Tempered film is a better choice.
Where i live in Canada i could not find one in store.
I was able to see a couple cases but they were super cheaply made and super expensive (in my Mall)
So i didn't buy a case.. i also didn't want a bulky case because i lucked out and found a sweet belt clip case at Wallmart.
The case from Wallmart fits my dimensions perfectly for the phone and has my phone attached to my belt now
I like using my phone to listen to music while i ride my mountain bike.
So what i ended up doing is getting an iPhone 6 protective film for $2 and i just trimmed the top off and laid it on top my phone.
i have 95% of it covered and it looks ok.. i had done a better job but i tried to make it perfect and screwed it up.
Pro Tip: Don't be a perfectionist when making your own cut and paste protective film LOL
Also..
I could have gotten a protective film from a kiosk in my local Mall that is suppose to be strong etc.
The kiosk custom cuts the protective material for any device from watches to phones, so i *could have done that.
But, they wanted about $35 can. after taxes for my cheap phone so i said no thanks.
I do want to ask any of you out there a question (i am fairly new to android phones only had a S3 for a few months before)
What i want to know is are the Gorilla glass screen good enough that i can just ditch the plastic film stuff ?
Like i have seen some guys say online that they don't bother putting a protective skin on the phone.
So what do you guys think ? Maybe i should ditch the protective plastic stuff on my phone ?
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I do want to ask any of you out there a question (i am fairly new to android phones only had a S3 for a few months before)
What i want to know is are the Gorilla glass screen good enough that i can just ditch the plastic film stuff ?
Like i have seen some guys say online that they don't bother putting a protective skin on the phone.
So what do you guys think ? Maybe i should ditch the protective plastic stuff on my phone ?
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gorilla glass is preatty hard, it can survive some hard things like keys or somethig made of metal but there are things that can easy scrach it - for example sand (because it's harder than glass). I can't recommend plastic screen protectors, they do the job but they are real fingerprints magnets. It's impossible to keep it clean. I think you should buy glass protector, you can find cheap ones on some chineese sites with free shipping (it takes like month but I think it's worth)
Today I got my 3$ tempered screen protector form Chinese auction site. The shipping was free, it should take more than 30 days according to info on the site but I've waited only 12 days. IMO the glass quality is very good but it's my first tempered glass protector. Instalation process was easy (even without instruction on the box but there is a lot of videos on YouTube about instalation) though I have small air bubble around proximity sensor. It's my first glass so maybe I've done something wrong. Anyway I'm very happy, I had plastic foil before and it's like day and night. The fell of the glass under the finger is great. IMO this 3$ glass is a great deal.
I bought my one here http://www.aliexpress.com/item/2-5D..._77_91_80,searchweb201644_5,searchweb201560_9
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Today that bubble dissapered for itself, now it sticks perfectly. For 3$ I'm more than happy.
Just go get one from XtremeGuard and use a coupon to bring the price down to like $2.
tyvm got all the info i need here
JuanAG said:
I bougth one and after 2 weeks is scratched and has a crack so you should no spend your money on this
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i agree i got it and got it replaced free both times it cracked under a month i wont ever buy it again
I bought a screen protector from amazon called Mr. Shield and it works just fine, no bubbles, no fingerprints on the protector.
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i agree i got it and got it replaced free both times it cracked under a month i wont ever buy it again
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What are you doing with your phones? I have the cheapest Chinese glass protector since November and it's still like new.
eonarma said:
I bought a screen protector from amazon called Mr. Shield and it works just fine, no bubbles, no fingerprints on the protector.
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I had something like that on my last phone and it got really scratched after 1 week, mostly from this metal things around pocket in jeans pants. It made screen look grainy too but it was pretty comfortable to use in sunlight.
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What are you doing with your phones? I have the cheapest Chinese glass protector since November and it's still like new.
I had something like that on my last phone and it got really scratched after 1 week, mostly from this metal things around pocket in jeans pants. It made screen look grainy too but it was pretty comfortable to use in sunlight.
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Ahhh I see, well you could get a case that covers the screen, that way it doesn't get grainy or scratched. Regardless of the screen or screen protector, I think it's not recommended to place your phone on the same pocket you have your keys in, or other metal things.
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Ahhh I see, well you could get a case that covers the screen, that way it doesn't get grainy or scratched. Regardless of the screen or screen protector, I think it's not recommended to place your phone on the same pocket you have your keys in, or other metal things.
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I think about those two metal spots around pocket in most of jeans' pockets. I just want to say that it won't suit for every people, I used something like that and I was really mad about how it made my screen grainy and how soft it was although it performed preatty good in sunlight and fingerprints wasn't so visible. Then I had non matte one, screen looked better but it was real fingerprints magnet. It was harder but still It got scratched after some time. Now I have glass and for me it's the best choice. It's very transparent, very hard and it's not so bad with fingerprints but it's thick so it can colide with some cases (not an issue for me). That's just my opinion about thoose protectors.
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I think about those two metal spots around pocket in most of jeans' pockets. I just want to say that it won't suit for every people, I used something like that and I was really mad about how it made my screen grainy and how soft it was although it performed preatty good in sunlight and fingerprints wasn't so visible. Then I had non matte one, screen looked better but it was real fingerprints magnet. It was harder but still It got scratched after some time. Now I have glass and for me it's the best choice. It's very transparent, very hard and it's not so bad with fingerprints but it's thick so it can colide with some cases (not an issue for me). That's just my opinion about thoose protectors.
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A glass screen protector? Sounds interesting I've never used one before. Sounds interesting, how's he's your experience been with it?
eonarma said:
A glass screen protector? Sounds interesting I've never used one before. Sounds interesting, how's he's your experience been with it?
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Well I bought mine for 2$ on chinese site (aliexpress). It's cheap, preatty easy to install, very scratch resistant and very clear, screen looks bright and it feels great under the finger. The downsides are that it's thick so it won't work well with every case, I use it with orginal grip shell and it's good combo because of the case design: http://forum.android.com.pl/uploads/monthly_12_2015/post-142525-0-25574200-1451048167.jpg The second problem is that the oleophobic coating wears off but after 2-3 months it's still not so bad (but it was better when it was new).
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Well I bought mine for 2$ on chinese site (aliexpress). It's cheap, preatty easy to install, very scratch resistant and very clear, screen looks bright and it feels great under the finger. The downsides are that it's thick so it won't work well with every case, I use it with orginal grip shell and it's good combo because of the case design: http://forum.android.com.pl/uploads/monthly_12_2015/post-142525-0-25574200-1451048167.jpg The second problem is that the oleophobic coating wears off but after 2-3 months it's still not so bad (but it was better when it was new).
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Awsome, I'll try one someday, the plastic one I have feels to smooth on the finger, as in it sometimes feel like if you are not really sliding your finger on the surface