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Hello,
I was so close to buy the Desire until I saw the ad of the Galaxy S..
Amazing screen (normal under sunlight), more powerful cpu/gpu.. but its Samsung! and after reading lots of comments they said that Samsung is crap! is it right? Why?
If its only the UI that is crap can I root it and install another room?
So, Should I wait for the Galaxy S or get the Desire?
Thanks.
DESIRE without doubt
It all depends on what you want. I have had Samsung phones in the past and they were pretty good. Those types of responses remind me of students in college who say "Yea...that professor is hard and rude...don't take him!'
IMHO the best thing to do is get some hands-on time with both of them if possible. Even try them out for a couple of days. That is the only way you will actually know which one is right for you.
you will actually know which one is right for you.
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What do u mean by that?
They are the same super phones but with some advantages to the Galaxy, right?
I will use my phone for apps, games, multimedia, browsing etc. (not for business..) so I think both those phones are the top for these kind of stuff..
I just dont understand why everyone hates so much Samsung..
leoon said:
What do u mean by that?
They are the same super phones but with some advantages to the Galaxy, right?
I will use my phone for apps, games, multimedia, browsing etc. (not for business..) so I think both those phones are the top for these kind of stuff..
I just dont understand why everyone hates so much Samsung..
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In other words...use your buyers-remorse, return/exchange period to try out both phones. Do research when the Samsung Galaxy S comes out and see what others have to say on the forums.
The worst thing you can do is be biased towards one or the other. If you believe what others say about Samsung and how sh*tty they are, then once you actually do see the phone...you will try to find some sort of discrepancy with it (its simple psychology )
Yes, the Galaxy has a bigger screen and a "rumored" faster processor. However, until the final product is made and released...the hardware and software can still change.
leoon said:
What do u mean by that?
They are the same super phones but with some advantages to the Galaxy, right?
I will use my phone for apps, games, multimedia, browsing etc. (not for business..) so I think both those phones are the top for these kind of stuff..
I just dont understand why everyone hates so much Samsung..
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Samsung are fully behind their new Bada OS. They've stated that only 20% or less of their devices from now on will run Android and I only expect that to go down. That and HTC are the de facto hardware standard for all Android devices.
Haha you have no clue.
Actually, 50% of Samsung phones will be Android and another 33% will be Bada. The rest is for Windows Phones and other crap.
In response to the thread question: I chose the Desire, because the Galaxy S doesn't have a flash for the camera.
One (and the only!) annoyance with the Desire is the limited internal storage for applications. It's only 140MB. You can install applications to the SD card, but it will still go down. According to Google, the option to install to the SD card will come to Android 'soon'.
The Galaxy S will also have the better screen I think. That's because the Desire's screen is not full 800x480, because it uses a pixel layout with only two sub-pixels instead of three, which makes it seem a little bit blurry (but really just a little bit).
And last, but not least, I think HTC's software is probably better than Samsung's. Sense (even if you don't like the launcher) is a very useful add-on (e.g. the much better dialer) and I am not sure about whether Samsung is able to compete in that regard.
I chose the Desire, because the Galaxy S doesn't have a flash for the camera.
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It seems that you choose the Desire just because the galaxys doesnt have flash! even though the screen+cpu+720p video recording and still only for the lack of flash you dont choose the galaxys!?
What im gonna do is to wait till its released and read the indepth review about the phone.
Thanks for the replies goys.. i choose to wait.
I feel compelled to point out a few things in this discussion.
First, assuming that "buyer's remorse" is a global standard is a mistake. In many countries, including Sweden where I'm based, you can return products for up to 30 days after a purchase with the caveat that the package/seal is unbroken. This applies to electronics. This means that everybody needs to check up on their local regulations and that of the retailer before you go out and buy something, expecting to be able to fiddle with it and then just return it.
Secondly, calling Bada an OS is a misnomer. It's a platform. A platform that can be placed on many different OS's. To me, it sounds like Samsung will be releasing several phones with Bada on top of their own proprietary operating system until they can either see a clear winner of the OS market share battle or until the OS's catch up with what they want and know they can offer the market in terms of functionality. Of course, where the boundary between the platform and the OS goes is kind of an unknown, but I would be surprised if the Galaxy S didn't have an Android version of Bada placed on top of it - think of it as Samsung's Sense.
Thirdly and lastly, I think there is a lot of displeasure with Samsung among smartphone users because they have a tendency to both promise more than they can deliver and after the first few months of a new smartphone release quit updating the software. I own an Omnia i900 and an Omnia HD i8910 and speak from experience on this front. Mind you, the devices they put out are generally top-notch, but Samsung has a problem managing expectations.
My Desire is currently my main phone, but I'm still interested in the Galaxy S and will be waiting to see what the consumer verdict on it is once it comes out. As others have said, HTC offers a very useful overlay in Sense, the Desire is already rooted (you should never assume a phone will ever be rooted when you buy it, but it's more likely that HTC will, and in the case of the Desire it's already a fact) and, more than anything, the Desire development community is huge, active and dedicated. So at the end of the day, opting to wait several more months just to get a larger screen and a promise of 720p video recording does have its downsides.
I'm pretty interested in the Galaxy S, will almost certainly get one soon after release and see how I like it, so I can give a users comparison of both nearer the time. As per usual I'll keep whichever suits my use best.
Regards the pros for the Galaxy S, these are the main things as I see them, a few mentioned earlier and a few not yet mentioned:
- screen will be considerably better, more battery efficient, better sunlight legibility, larger, won't have the subpixels issue
- better battery capacity
- 8 or 16GB internal memory in addition to card slot
- the stills camera in all situations not requiring a flash is likely to be considerably better than the Desire's
- 720P video capture
- divx/xvid/mkv support out of the box, with certification for 720P avi playback
Worth noting that the last two there may yet come to the Desire, since they have been rumoured to be coming via firmware update for some time.
The main positives for the Desire is Root, more active Dev community, better HTC support in terms of FW upgrades/hotfixes etc.
Lets say it gets rooted, Will I be able to install into the Galaxy S the ROM of the Desire, so I can take advantage of the active dev community?
Thanks.
In theory, yes, you can. But there will be issues, which means it may not be worth it.
I think not, maybe, but different drivers..it would take time for sure!
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It seems that you choose the Desire just because the galaxys doesnt have flash! even though the screen+cpu+720p video recording and still only for the lack of flash you dont choose the galaxys!?
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Yes, just because of the flash. I absolutely need it, that's why I chose the Desire.
Other than the missing flash, the Galaxy looks quite good.
@NZtechfreak
Your points are right, except for the part about the camera. The Desire uses a camera module made by Samsung. The Galaxy will very likely use the exact same camera module. And of course, at night, it will be useless without the flash.
Galaxy S may be better hardware-wise, but..
It's possible that Galaxy S won't have flash (but there are some rumors it will), so that is a dealbreaker for me (the reason why I switched from the Hero).
The other (more important) reason is that previous Android phones from Samsung had almost no scene development going on. Just compare the Dream/Hero scene to the Galaxy i7500.
Last but not least Samsungs support and bugfixing is worse that HTCs (yes, it is possible ).
That is why I decided to go with the Desire. If you don't mind waiting I would suggest to wait for the Nexus Two.
Or you can wait until the Google I/O Conference...
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As others have said, HTC offers a very useful overlay in Sense, the Desire is already rooted (you should never assume a phone will ever be rooted when you buy it, but it's more likely that HTC will, and in the case of the Desire it's already a fact) and, more than anything, the Desire development community is huge, active and dedicated.
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Hi all, been reading the Desire threads with interest as I'm able to upgrade in July, currently have a Blackstone, and at the mo it's most definately looking like the Desire will be my new phone, looks like a superb piece of kit, but, I need to use tethering on whatever handset I have, and up until now thought I would have to do this on a Desire via USB, because you can't do it wirelessly unless you root first.
Everything I have read here and anywhere else up until I read the above post says the Desire needs rooting to do this.
So, is it already rooted out of the box or not ? I'm puzzled !
Comments from a tester of RC1 firmware Galaxy S in an Australian forum:
- much faster in use than Desire
- much better screen (brightness, vividness & outdoors visibility)
- better battery life time than Desire with stock ROM (no hacks)
- camera is only ok
- very responsive touch
Just FYI. I think both phones are great.
two phones are great and the galaxy s does have super amoled, altho desire have amoled, super amoled is better under the sun. but somehow i don't like how the galaxy looks. it looks - plain, boring..
hopefully htc will release the update when froyo is out together with some fixes and 720p recording.
The only Android phone I would buy is Google branded or HTC. Because they have much more experience with Android than others, and they are more connected together. Also updates will be much more regular for Desire, since it is almost N1 clone. And community for HTC Android phones is much bigger than for Samsung.
hello XDA world! i had a couple of questions i was hoping someone may help me with
running on MBP with 10.6.5, installed "Eclipse IDE for Java Developers
Version: Helios Service Release 1
Build id: 20100917-0705
clicked on the android.apk under tools and updated all. then went to eclipse and help-install new software.
am i ready? somewhere a read something about updating your path with .bash_profile? that part makes absolutely no sense to me at all. i know only a little terminal from ubuntu, may have figured it out just now, i went to eclipse preferences and added the path from the downloads folder.
ok so now am i ready?
cant anyone provide me with links to how to use this to make my own roms. or any good getting started links? id really appreciate it.
p.s. can someone explain framework to me, i want to know why ASOP roms cant have 4g or HDMI, or if its possible to make a hybrid rom like frost with all the sense removed while staying on the sense framework and not breaking it?
lastly, can i get my phone replaced because of false advertisement or limitations of hardware? i mean i have been wiping and flashing different roms testing them and no-matter what rom or setup i have i still get jitters and all around crappy GUI. next to my friends galaxy S my phone just seems defective and choppy, granted with the newer roms and fps unlocked, its still not close to as smooth as the galaxy S in terms of usability, is the hummingbird that much better or is it poorly written drivers for the snapdragon that makes it inferior?
if i took my phone up to best buy and had them look at it next to a galaxy s model what chances are there that i could replace it because of the overall inferior android experience? when i opened up pocked legends at the same time on both phones i was blown away that the galaxy s was indeed smooth while on my evo the gameplay was choppy like the game was not getting enough
FPS. although fps2d says it gets around 54, i have HDW 0003. any additional info would be helpful sorry that im so inquisitive today i just decided i wanted to know if my phone was the right choice for me.
I am just listing down a few thoughts for prospective Galaxy Nexus buyers, its not a review but my finding on what the Galaxy Nexus does well and what it doesnt!
I am confident that most of you have read every online review of the Galaxy Nexus by now - starting from http://www.theverge.com/2011/11/17/2568348/galaxy-nexus-review
So I will try to make it short and based on my personal experience. Mostly it will be compared to iOS/iPhone 4 as it is the viable competitor in the market and what people most definitely want to know about!
Just to give a brief about myself: I work as a Communications Specialist for a global logistics company (one of the top 3). My first phone was a Nokia 3310 - from there I have used mostly all the milestone mobile phones released imo (Including, SE T610/S700i/W900 - most of the N-series, Complete iPhone lineup, Compete Nexus lineup) I had to mention these just to ensure my credibility
So here goes:
Screen
The Good
Pentile vs. RGB - I am quite picky about this - I hated all Pentile iterations of screens till now - Yes the 720p resolution is sooo packed that you will not notice the pixels - it is as good as Retina. Colors are beautiful, vibrant and bright. So if you thought that you will miss your sharp retina display moving to Galaxy Nexus, its not the case.
The Size: if you are 6 feet and taller - this is a perfect phone for you.
The Bad
1. Grains on darker shades, I do not agree with most here who say grains exists in low brightness. I feel grains are there, its a default fault of the screen, you cannot get out of this, it gives a light textured look in darker color images (grey/blue) no matter the brightness. If you have a white background (as with websites) - grains are not visible if you increase the brightness to midway and above. If you are coming from an iPhone 4/4s, you will be impacted as I was - but I lived with it for the phone offers much better options than the iPhone 4 for me. I would also not categorize the graininess as a major issue on a daily usage, unless you are extremely picky but just knowing is still a pain.
2. Color tone was slightly off at default - to the more warmer tone
I had to root my phone only for fixing this issue - I installed franco's kernel and changed the color tone (using his update tool from market) to a slightly more cooler blue. Thanks Franco!
Speakers/Voice/Call Clarity: This is a "Phone", right?
The Good
Clear sound, beats iPhone in my opinion and is louder for the internal speakers.
The Bad
External speakers are not loud by default. There is an easy software solution though, installing Volume+. Volume+ really made the external speakers loud, even louder than the iPhone's I would say.
OS
The Good
Fantastic. Android is alot smarter now with ICS, it is faster - near blazing. One should realize, installing a thousand widgets and themes does not help the cause - my feedback is based on rooted/stock (w/franco kernel). if you play around and install various Roms here, you most definitely will complain regarding compatibility issues, over all snappiness and performance. I suggest dont do it unless you have nothing better to do all day! App switching between multiple apps is brilliant - swiping away or moving to the next is made so simple. Brilliant work hiring the webOS guys, Google!
Moving from iOS - Do not be fooled by people saying its not smooth as iOS. For me Speed is more important than smoothness and ICS is definitely FASTER than iOS. Its like, closing a window in MAC/Windows, you can either take 2 seconds to close it with a nice animation or in 1 sec, it just closes within blinking of an eye. ICS is sharp and quick. Now it might not do the animations/transitions in a SEXY WAY (so cool APPLE) - and you might feel lags while swiping between home screens (personally I havnt, yet), but you do not have to wait at any given time. I remember switching between apps/phones/contacts in my iPhone requires a slight wait - though smooth transition, in ICS that wait does not exist. You will enjoy the experience. eg. The ICS Music app is smoother at viewing album covers than the laggy coverflow implementation in iOS.
The Bad
The only small gripe I have is with the Phone app! It has improved significantly from gingerbread with the whole swiping from the Dialer to Recent Calls and Contacts/Frequent Calls. "Favorites" are setup in such a way that they take up a large portion of the screen realestate (for what good reasons ?:S) and all the contacts follow after them.
Browser
The Best
The best browsing experience on a mobile device I had in this generation of devices. The screen size is a major player, previously on my iPhones, I would just browse if I was in a desperate situation such as finding a review, text being so tiny - but with the Galaxy Nexus, you feel like browsing the net when you have time in hand.
The Browser itself is much better than Mobile Safari in every way (performance/tab switching). You will love the experience moving from iOS!
Apps
I was never a heavy user of apps, so I will not compare iOS and Android eco-systems as such. There is no doubt iOS has more sexier looking apps/more polished but android is catching up. If you are coming from iOS and a heavy app user - this might not be the most convenient move for you, my personal suggestion would be for you to wait till iPhone 5 is released please. No TheGood/TheBad here!
Battery
The Bad
Unfortunately, there is no TheGood section here, obviously the battery google/samsung have placed in here is not adequate for a device with such a large screen. You can at max survive a day (using facebook/browsing/gmail/twitter). I am not sure how long it will survive with locations/geo tracking on though. 1 day is good enough for me, so not sure about you. I keep my screen brightness to 65% bright. The battery life on the iPhone 4 is relatively the same.
Camera
The Good
It takes really quick shots.
The Bad
The image quality is not upto par with the iPhone 4, let alone 4s!
File Transfer/Mount Storage Device
The Good
You can delete/update/change files on the go while connected through usb so that you do not need to unplug and remount the storage in order to view the files on your phone.
The Bad
If you want to view/transfer files from your Phone to a Mac, such as the case with myself, I needed to install an Android File Transfer app to edit/transfer files to the phone. This is painful if you want to plug the phone into another Mac (you will have to install that app again on the machine). For PC, I believe no such app needs to be installed though.
An alternative to this is using the AirDroid app which allows you to access your files/folders/contacts and much more through wifi. A great free app indeed, thanks Alkidweller for pointing it out!
Overall Verdict
The Galaxy Nexus is a great device, it has some issues most definitely (grainy screen/mediocre battery and camera). But the ICS shines, the large screen realestate, fantastic UX coupled with an amazing browsing experience is worth the upgrade from an iPhone and with a price of $399 it gives the most bang for the buck, compare that with the $650 for iPhone 4s.
- Two modifications I used were - Franco Kernel & Franco Updater App, Volume+
- For Mac Users: Android File Transfer App/ AirDroid
Here is a snapshot of my setup - ICS stock just works!
If you like the wallpaper you can download it from mediafire.
Its a slightly modified version of Galaxy NGC 3190 by `-kol (in deviantart)
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Great review and I have to say I agree with most. However, I just have to correct one thing. Yes, it would be easy to include a 'smart dialer' but as you know Android aims to be completely open source. This means that everyone should be able to build his or her own system. But smart dialing isn't open source! It's patented and can't be freely distributed. So Google have good reasons for not including that feature...
Great review, its like the rest of them.
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Can you share that wallpaper?
I must have got a really loud speaker set or something mine are loud. However I have to agree browsing the net on ics is awesome I love the feature where if it has multi pages n u click down by the numbers it will magnify it for you to click on easier without having to zoom in.
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Great review and I have to say I agree with most. However, I just have to correct one thing. Yes, it would be easy to include a 'smart dialer' but as you know Android aims to be completely open source. This means that everyone should be able to build his or her own system. But smart dialing isn't open source! It's patented and can't be freely distributed. So Google have good reasons for not including that feature...
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Thanks mbroeders for letting me know that about the smart dialer bit! I wasnt aware of it before. hmm..maybe will take it out of the review then.
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Sure - download it from my mediafire link:
http://www.mediafire.com/?paooomlowmvdnj7
Its a slightly modified version of Galaxy NGC 3190 by `-kol (in deviantart)
Re: File Transfer
Don't know anything about a Mac, but as for the file transfer thing, have you tried AirDroid in the Play Store? Should work. There's nothing on the computer to install.
It uses WiFi to talk to your router. On your computer you open a browser and go to the (local) ip that AirDroid displays, enter a pass code and it displays a nice looking interface to your phone. Transfer files, play music, send and receive texts, install and uninstall apps.
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Don't know anything about a Mac, but as for the file transfer thing, have you tried AirDroid in the Play Store? Should work. There's nothing on the computer to install.
It uses WiFi to talk to your router. On your computer you open a browser and go to the (local) ip that AirDroid displays, enter a pass code and it displays a nice looking interface to your phone. Transfer files, play music, send and receive texts, install and uninstall apps.
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I use a similar app for file transfers on Ubuntu 12.04 64-bit called Wifi Explorer Pro(there is also a free version, but if I use an app a lot I always but the pro to support development), because setting up MTP in Linux is a bit of a pain. Hopefully future versions of Linux will support MTP out of the box, but for now this is the way to go. I thought Ubuntu 12.04 was supposed to support it, but I have not successfully been able to use it.
Thanks OP for the review. It's nice to see someone post an honest and candid review based on their experiences and feelings while using the device, rather than just mindlessly comparing specs. I must say that I agree whole-heartedly on most of your points.
Overall, this is a fabulous device. It has a few shortcomings, but they are easily overshadowed by what it does well. And I've also used my mobile browser (Chrome) far more on this device than I ever did on my Nexus One. The crisp display (and large size) makes it actually useful for browsing the web.
Rather than AirDroid I like the samba file share app.
Windows, mac, and in most cases linux, have support for it built in.
You effectively have direct access to the file system, which includes being able to e.g. edit files without having to download them and re-upload.
"The Bad
External speakers are not loud by default. There is an easy software solution though, installing Volume+. Volume+ really made the external speakers loud, even louder than the iPhone's I would say."
I think franco's kernel that you are already using has built-in volume booster.
also mind sharing your custom color values ?
Great review, I have to agree with pretty much all of it. Though on the battery issue I'd recommend getting the extended battery (GSM can't comment on the LTE version)
One thing you didn't mention were the onscreen softkeys, I was wondering what you think of them? I've had the phone since Dec and I don't want to ever go back to a phone without them now
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Great review, I have to agree with pretty much all of it. Though on the battery issue I'd recommend getting the extended battery (GSM can't comment on the LTE version)
One thing you didn't mention were the onscreen softkeys, I was wondering what you think of them? I've had the phone since Dec and I don't want to ever go back to a phone without them now
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yes, on-screen keys are great and very customizable too
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Great review, I have to agree with pretty much all of it. Though on the battery issue I'd recommend getting the extended battery (GSM can't comment on the LTE version)
One thing you didn't mention were the onscreen softkeys, I was wondering what you think of them? I've had the phone since Dec and I don't want to ever go back to a phone without them now
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yes, on-screen keys are great and very customizable too
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I agree with you both, the on screen buttons are amazing, will add it to the list. my iphone home botton broke, I repaired it twice...so I am most definitely in favor of on screen softkeys
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"The Bad
External speakers are not loud by default. There is an easy software solution though, installing Volume+. Volume+ really made the external speakers loud, even louder than the iPhone's I would say."
I think franco's kernel that you are already using has built-in volume booster.
also mind sharing your custom color values ?
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the franco's kernel volume boost was not good enough unfortunately, so I had to move to volume+, I suggest you give it a go if you are not quite happy with franco's built in one.
Here is my values for "colors multipliers" (I intentionally avoided the RGB Gamma Tweaks)
Red: 195
Green: 211
Blue: 278
I have not played with it much - I am sure if I put more time into it I could get a better combination. Let me know how that works out for you.
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the franco's kernel volume boost was not good enough unfortunately, so I had to move to volume+, I suggest you give it a go if you are not quite happy with franco's built in one.
Here is my values for "colors multipliers" (I intentionally avoided the RGB Gamma Tweaks)
Red: 195
Green: 211
Blue: 278
I have not played with it much - I am sure if I put more time into it I could get a better combination. Let me know how that works out for you.
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Thanks. I am using recommended franco's settings for now
mythamp said:
the franco's kernel volume boost was not good enough unfortunately, so I had to move to volume+, I suggest you give it a go if you are not quite happy with franco's built in one.
Here is my values for "colors multipliers" (I intentionally avoided the RGB Gamma Tweaks)
Red: 195
Green: 211
Blue: 278
I have not played with it much - I am sure if I put more time into it I could get a better combination. Let me know how that works out for you.
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I still can't get over people saying the speakers are quite mine is loud. and ill have to test those settings for color. Also have you had a chance to play with the ip4s seems like your review was all based on ip4 just wondered if you like this over ip4s as well.
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I HIGHLY recommend WiFi File Explorer.
Start the app, then browse to the IP address. Of course you have to have WiFi. Or WiFi Tether...
This is a great way to get files to and from the device without screwing with cables. It is also a great way to get a file from one Android device to another without having a PC to play middle man. This is also great for roms that don't have a file explorer cooked in by default.
Also with the Battery issue, I would also give the Nexus a +1 for it being removable and able to use an extended battery. I have an extended battery on my Verizon Nexus (2100mAh) and the thickness isn't noticeable (+1mm) but it extends it a few more hours.
As far as the Gray Banding... I'm at a loss. I DO know that the Nexus One had this issue too and it wasn't the screen problem but rather Google slimming down on the colors as a speed boost. I mean who needs millions of colors just to change a setting? There used to be a test like the browser would band... but the gallery wouldn't. After enough ruckus they upped the color count and it fixed.
I also think the reason for the banding is low quality images. I believe there is a hack around here that replaces the banding background with high quality images and it goes away. Who knows. It could just be the screen color limitation (16-bit vs 32-bit)
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I still can't get over people saying the speakers are quite mine is loud. and ill have to test those settings for color. Also have you had a chance to play with the ip4s seems like your review was all based on ip4 just wondered if you like this over ip4s as well.
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Yes, I had a 4s for a short while (less than 1 week) before I switched so I am basing most of my experience from iphone 4 which I have used over the last 10 months.
With devs like utaka giving up n samsung's ****ty attitude,is the future of AOSP development in the dark for this great device with the AOSP roms vanishing slowly?
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With devs like utaka giving up n samsung's ****ty attitude,is the future of AOSP development in the dark for this great device with the AOSP roms vanishing slowly?
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To the best of my knowledge, there is substantial dev support for the Note II. CM is rolling of nighlies even as we speak and PA is not left behind. JellyBam is also adding his own humble contribution. There are also substantial rom cooks dishing out various verities.
I understand initially, devs kicked against Sammy's policy but I guess Sammy was given a last chance, and we saw some dev activities. I for one actually waited till I saw activities befor ordering mine.
If Utacka is giving up, that will be a shame because, he made us good PA rom in Note I
It's a Great loss..for the community.I loved his work
As for cm 10.1 entropy says its dead on 4412 devices due to lack of sources..darn samsung..why cant they just release the frickin sources!
Not gonna cry too much.. Touchwiz > AOSP in my opinion.
- Camera is way better with a lot more options, notably burst mode and widescreen.. why does stock force you to take 4:3 pictures? this isn't 1998 anymore, all monitors/TVs are widescreen
- Gallery is much improved with different view types, video previews, play on hover, etc..
- FB contact integration out of the box, no need to mess around with Haxsync or other apps
- Multi-window, that alone trumps stock
- T9 Dialer
- Smart stay: When reading long text I got used to touching my screen every 30 seconds to keep it from turning off, never again
- Smart rotate: call this a "gimmick" all you want, but it's really nice to be able to lie down and read something without first disabling auto-rotate
- Contact list: smoothly integrated with the Phone app, no more ugly white theme that's oddly out of place with the rest of the UI
- S-Beam is much faster and more practical than Android Beam (you have both in Touchwiz anyway)
- Not counting all the s-pen apps since those are specific to the Note 2
- Overall feel of the OS feels less segmented and more cohesive
- Loads of small improvement all across the OS, things that make you say "oh nice, I don't need 4-5 steps to do that anymore"
So not too sad to see all the buggy AOSP roms disappear
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Not gonna cry too much.. Touchwiz > AOSP in my opinion.
- Camera is way better with a lot more options, notably burst mode and widescreen.. why does stock force you to take 4:3 pictures? this isn't 1998 anymore, all monitors/TVs are widescreen
- Gallery is much improved with different view types, video previews, play on hover, etc..
- FB contact integration out of the box, no need to mess around with Haxsync or other apps
- Multi-window, that alone trumps stock
- T9 Dialer
- Smart stay: When reading long text I got used to touching my screen every 30 seconds to keep it from turning off, never again
- Smart rotate: call this a "gimmick" all you want, but it's really nice to be able to lie down and read something without first disabling auto-rotate
- Contact list: smoothly integrated with the Phone app, no more ugly white theme that's oddly out of place with the rest of the UI
- S-Beam is much faster and more practical than Android Beam (you have both in Touchwiz anyway)
- Not counting all the s-pen apps since those are specific to the Note 2
- Overall feel of the OS feels less segmented and more cohesive
- Loads of small improvement all across the OS, things that make you say "oh nice, I don't need 4-5 steps to do that anymore"
So not too sad to see all the buggy AOSP roms disappear
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100% agree with u , in the other hand i really love aosp roms but not for the Gnote
if u want to run aosp on note2 just throw ur s note pen in the drawer it will become like useless mouse :silly:
i know that maybe aosp roms a bit faster or lighter on ram but note2 have 2 GB of ram and beast cpu so there is no problem with TW
and samsung is the fastest company after Google to update their devices after Google ( i don't have problem waiting 2-3 month to get new android version after google release it )
I bought the note for the spen and its features.
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It's a great loss... I think that we have a bad future... :crying: I hate Sammy roms...
bxt-sp said:
It's a great loss... I think that we have a bad future... :crying: I hate Sammy roms...
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buy a Nexus :silly:
Sure, but the Nexus doesn't have 5,5", 3100mAh, SD-Card, removable battery, spen,... I prefer my Note phone...with AOSP roms!
aamitabh28 said:
With devs like utaka giving up n samsung's ****ty attitude,is the future of AOSP development in the dark for this great device with the AOSP roms vanishing slowly?
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I'm not trying to start a flame war, but did you read his post?:
Im gonna order sony phone (Xperia T or new sony phablet 2013) and continue my work there. Thanks for this and one last time: im not gonna stop updating as long as 4.1.2 is still maintained by CM.
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gabster21 said:
Not gonna cry too much.. Touchwiz > AOSP in my opinion.
- Camera is way better with a lot more options, notably burst mode and widescreen.. why does stock force you to take 4:3 pictures? this isn't 1998 anymore, all monitors/TVs are widescreen
- Gallery is much improved with different view types, video previews, play on hover, etc..
- FB contact integration out of the box, no need to mess around with Haxsync or other apps
- Multi-window, that alone trumps stock
- T9 Dialer
- Smart stay: When reading long text I got used to touching my screen every 30 seconds to keep it from turning off, never again
- Smart rotate: call this a "gimmick" all you want, but it's really nice to be able to lie down and read something without first disabling auto-rotate
- Contact list: smoothly integrated with the Phone app, no more ugly white theme that's oddly out of place with the rest of the UI
- S-Beam is much faster and more practical than Android Beam (you have both in Touchwiz anyway)
- Not counting all the s-pen apps since those are specific to the Note 2
- Overall feel of the OS feels less segmented and more cohesive
- Loads of small improvement all across the OS, things that make you say "oh nice, I don't need 4-5 steps to do that anymore"
So not too sad to see all the buggy AOSP roms disappear
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It's true, Samsungs ROM is much more useful with this thing. It's just that, this thing is ugly as hell. Compare it to CM Theme Engine - fresh look with the snap of a finger. Outer beauty beats inner beauty? Well, for now I'd stay with Samsung ROM.
Sent and typofied with Note II
No pen no interest, that's what it comes down to I reckon
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It is not about how sammy roms are more feautured or more beautiful it is about having the possibility of choice. Every populer Android device has this CM or AOSP options until now. And Android is my choice because of its possibilities of being able to transform into different user experiences.. I must decide this, not the company who stoles and lies to the people about discussing and deciding to release the source even though they have to according to the GPL.. . I honestly do not know how many people does not even root their phones but still there are a lot of people out there who believes in the potential of android software to get even better an dthose people deserve to have the option to choose what is best for themselves.. besides I want to believe more developers will develop their 3rd party apps and games for the more available sourced chipsets.. so the-once-most-powerful exynos is going to go down on the developers' preference list..
_delice_doluca_ said:
It is not about how sammy roms are more feautured or more beautiful it is about having the possibility of choice. Every populer Android device has this CM or AOSP options until now. And Android is my choice because of its possibilities of being able to transform into different user experiences.. I must decide this, not the company who stoles and lies to the people about discussing and deciding to release the source even though they have to according to the GPL.. . I honestly do not know how many people does not even root their phones but still there are a lot of people out there who believes in the potential of android software to get even better an dthose people deserve to have the option to choose what is best for themselves.. besides I want to believe more developers will develop their 3rd party apps and games for the more available sourced chipsets.. so the-once-most-powerful exynos is going to go down on the developers' preference list..
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+1. Absolutely. It's about having the possibility of choice.
I'm not happy at all my phones going on eBay while I can still get a few ££££ .... Samsung just lost a customer....
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You can use the S Pen with CM or AOSP roms. There are plenty of apps in Google Play that work with the S Pen and most are better than Samsung's S Note. I use Freenote. I use CM and I do not miss any of the Samsung features such as multiview and S Note.
bxt-sp said:
+1. Absolutely. It's about having the possibility of choice.
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Thanks for the support. If i was living in another country where i could believe the justice would apply to everyone adn Samsung exists as a company, i would sue Samsung and would not hire a lawyer. I would just say 'we hire the technology for a limited time nowadays. We do not buy it. And if we "tag" the reasons why we choose them by words Android would not get the "perfection", "smoothness", "defragmantetion", "optimised" words. It would get the "customiseblity", "wide range", "choices".. So this means everyone who pays great amount of money to their Android devices actually are aware of the fact that things could go "bad" or they would want more out of their devices. Very very few people buy their products "only" for Gmail checking and book reading. Once you go to the Google Play the problems start and people also start to seek solutions to their problems for their "not-so-cheap" devices. They start to search because deep down every Android user knows there should be a solution to their problems since many many people are using these devices and they paid very high amounts. But as i said, we just hire them. So there is no excuse when the service that we pay for are not there for us. And releasing the sources when a few more devices with Exynos 5 are out will not do any good to anyone because the "hiring" process works with the "valuable in the right time" rule. So there is no meaning of releasing the soruces after our devices are out of date and out of interest anymore. Because once newer devices are out it is going to be like we have paid good amount of moneys for a long await, long enough to reduce our devices values. Once we lose the dominating advantage of our CPUs and GPUs, there will not be any use for the sources because people will be already moved on and we wasted money for a waiting which got us lose money and time. So this is clearly cheating customers, lying and also not obeying to the GPL rules'
So even though i love Samsung devices if there will not be any upcoming good news by the new year My new device will never be a Samsung.. because i was supporting them for supporting my country with some scholarships but with a few hours of search i have learned they got involved with "bribing business" and did not even bother to fire the guy. And also are lying to the public about the sources, they can not even be a man about not releasing the sources. And i am very very sure a few thousand of people would listen to me about phone advises in the popular Turkish forums (i have advised hundereds in face to face). So i will not sink the company obviously but i will not let them get any money from a high amount of people either.
gabster21 said:
Not gonna cry too much.. Touchwiz > AOSP in my opinion.
- Camera is way better with a lot more options, notably burst mode and widescreen.. why does stock force you to take 4:3 pictures? this isn't 1998 anymore, all monitors/TVs are widescreen
- Gallery is much improved with different view types, video previews, play on hover, etc..
- FB contact integration out of the box, no need to mess around with Haxsync or other apps
- Multi-window, that alone trumps stock
- T9 Dialer
- Smart stay: When reading long text I got used to touching my screen every 30 seconds to keep it from turning off, never again
- Smart rotate: call this a "gimmick" all you want, but it's really nice to be able to lie down and read something without first disabling auto-rotate
- Contact list: smoothly integrated with the Phone app, no more ugly white theme that's oddly out of place with the rest of the UI
- S-Beam is much faster and more practical than Android Beam (you have both in Touchwiz anyway)
- Not counting all the s-pen apps since those are specific to the Note 2
- Overall feel of the OS feels less segmented and more cohesive
- Loads of small improvement all across the OS, things that make you say "oh nice, I don't need 4-5 steps to do that anymore"
So not too sad to see all the buggy AOSP roms disappear
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But Touchwiz do not have tablet mode
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Elle233 said:
But Touchwiz do not have tablet mode
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So what
Alot of roms dont have tablet mode.
I agree Sammys stock rom isn't the nicest looking but at least give it a few months until there's some decent update before flashing new roms and complaining about stock and lack of development. I don't think the UI will change all that much but just use go launcher or something. If your rooted just freeze everything you don't need wit TB.
People are OBSESSED with new roms and I think alot of ppl do it just to say "Oh you have a Note II, me too. Look at my custom ROM and how cool I it looks". Instead of "Oh you have a Note II, me to. Look how smooth and fluid it works"
Then again I prefer roms build off sammys base (prob all in my head)
Who knows what's happening anymore. I see developers moving to the xperia t...but then I see locked boot loaders and no working camera (cm10).
I see our note 2 with no support from Samsung, although they did say something would happen by the end of the year and no one has patience.
The HTC one x has no expandable memory and the poor tegra 3 chip that was pretty much outdated 2 months after its release.
There's really nothing that can run aosp as well as a nexus device. But then again, they lack features like expandable memory.
So in the end no one will ever be happy with anything.
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Disclaimer: This is rant, a civilized one, if you disagree with me, you are welcome to illustrate me but offenses are not appreciated.
This phone is great, but it refuses to be acceptable as a daily driver.
Developers are the best people in the world, they do what they do with no return at all sometimes, but the software (the lack of a good kernel base) makes it really hard to enjoy. I could never get more than 4.5 hours of SOT on any ROM, whereas stock would give me at least 5.5; however stock software is a bad joke for the Android base and the camera output is nerve wracking...
The CDLA headphones are a must, no one likes the dongle and it seems that (due to broken kernel) no dev was able to figure out this one (clarifying again that I don't blame them). So my options are to get used to carry the dongle or to the crack and pop from the CDLA ones... hmmmmmm......
I see the exact same story as with the Amazon phone, on its time, the Amazon phone had a really good thing going here in XDA, but the bootloader was never unlocked and the momentum was lost. I had to let go on my Fire phone....
For the LePro3, many great options are at hand at the same price, I'm looking heavily right now at the LG G5 from the $200 custom rom on eBay, WAY BETTER camera (like 10X times better), about the same battery life if you compare custom ROM of LePro3 vs stock of LG G5, and I have to admit that although I dislike LG's interface, it is tolerable.
Also, the LeEco servers (including the one that supports OTAs) has been down for at least 3 days (that I have tried myself), like seriously, we know the company is nearly in bankruptcy although still having customer support working, but the fact that security updates have halted and servers are down, tells me that there is something wrong going on.
At $200 dlls that I got the phone for, it is still not worth it for *me*.
My Moto Z play was $450 with a hasselblad camera mod that I was able to sell to get $100 in return, so for $350, I would still take yet another Moto Z Play at the current price, with way lower specifications, than taking a LePro3 for $200.
Help yourself and download these apps
Power Toggles
ACDisplay
Simple Control
Fingerprint Quick Action
Pixel Launcher
Modify the DPI to 300 via ADB
Download Google Camera (2.7) , Phone, Contacts etc from APKMirror
I am enjoying all the benefits from stock ROM plus emulated stock Android experience. =D
I bought this phone at what I thought was a steal for the hardware I was getting. I knew the company was unknown in the US and would likely not support the phone for long (if at all). I've flashed many Roms and played with this phone more than any other than perhaps my Nexus 6. Its a great phone overall with pretty decent developer support. I regret nothing.
Jose-MXL said:
Disclaimer: This is rant, a civilized one, if you disagree with me, you are welcome to illustrate me but offenses are not appreciated.
This phone is great, but it refuses to be acceptable as a daily driver.
Developers are the best people in the world, they do what they do with no return at all sometimes, but the software (the lack of a good kernel base) makes it really hard to enjoy. I could never get more than 4.5 hours of SOT on any ROM, whereas stock would give me at least 5.5; however stock software is a bad joke for the Android base and the camera output is nerve wracking...
The CDLA headphones are a must, no one likes the dongle and it seems that (due to broken kernel) no dev was able to figure out this one (clarifying again that I don't blame them). So my options are to get used to carry the dongle or to the crack and pop from the CDLA ones... hmmmmmm......
I see the exact same story as with the Amazon phone, on its time, the Amazon phone had a really good thing going here in XDA, but the bootloader was never unlocked and the momentum was lost. I had to let go on my Fire phone....
For the LePro3, many great options are at hand at the same price, I'm looking heavily right now at the LG G5 from the $200 custom rom on eBay, WAY BETTER camera (like 10X times better), about the same battery life if you compare custom ROM of LePro3 vs stock of LG G5, and I have to admit that although I dislike LG's interface, it is tolerable.
Also, the LeEco servers (including the one that supports OTAs) has been down for at least 3 days (that I have tried myself), like seriously, we know the company is nearly in bankruptcy although still having customer support working, but the fact that security updates have halted and servers are down, tells me that there is something wrong going on.
At $200 dlls that I got the phone for, it is still not worth it for *me*.
My Moto Z play was $450 with a hasselblad camera mod that I was able to sell to get $100 in return, so for $350, I would still take yet another Moto Z Play at the current price, with way lower specifications, than taking a LePro3 for $200.
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rivethead23 said:
I bought this phone at what I thought was a steal for the hardware I was getting. I knew the company was unknown in the US and would likely not support the phone for long (if at all). I've flashed many Roms and played with this phone more than any other than perhaps my Nexus 6. Its a great phone overall with pretty decent developer support. I regret nothing.
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I have to agree with rivethead23 I got the Pro 3 and immediately flashed the Turbo Destroyer rom on it and have never had any regrets
I also bought an LG G6 and I found it was no upgrade to the Pro 3 and ended up returning it.
My advice is to Flash the Turbo EUI 21S v20 rom and Nova launcher with Nova Google companion and you get the best experience from this device
rivethead23 said:
I bought this phone at what I thought was a steal for the hardware I was getting. I knew the company was unknown in the US and would likely not support the phone for long (if at all). I've flashed many Roms and played with this phone more than any other than perhaps my Nexus 6. Its a great phone overall with pretty decent developer support. I regret nothing.
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Pretty much this.
I'm using the phone on stock 26s, pretty heavily customized though: Magisk, Xposed, Viper, GravityBox, Tasker, stock android/Google apps like Dialer Contact Messages Calendar Keep Hangout Gmail etc., Nova Launcher with companion, PlayerPro and VLC, Brave browser... I removed all Chinese bloatware, and stock apps I don't need anymore like Contact, Message, Music, Video, Browser, Launcher, LIVE, lots of LeEco apps, etc. Disabled all stock extra memory optimizations to let Android deal with memory. Splash and bootanim without Chinese. Etc.
It works really great, battery is still really good (I often have 5 or 5.5 hours SoT at the end of the day), I customized a lot of things to make it exactly how I wanted it. So far, the best device I owned, and one of the cheapest...
ZeblodS said:
Pretty much this.
I'm using the phone on stock 26s, pretty heavily customized though: Magisk, Xposed, Viper, GravityBox, Tasker, stock android/Google apps like Dialer Contact Messages Calendar Keep Hangout Gmail etc., Nova Launcher with companion, PlayerPro and VLC, Brave browser... I removed all Chinese bloatware, and stock apps I don't need anymore like Contact, Message, Music, Video, Browser, Launcher, LIVE, lots of LeEco apps, etc. Disabled all stock extra memory optimizations to let Android deal with memory. Splash and bootanim without Chinese. Etc.
It works really great, battery is still really good (I often have 5 or 5.5 hours SoT at the end of the day), I customized a lot of things to make it exactly how I wanted it. So far, the best device I owned, and one of the cheapest...
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Is 26s an official update? I've only received 21s ota on my x727
darkmuck said:
Is 26s an official update? I've only received 21s ota on my x727
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It's the latest Chinese stock ROM for x720.
ALSO RANT:
Well the issue is with android itself, there is no real AOSP phone, i don't get why manufaturers just don't put AOSP on phone and be done with it, i guess target for android phones are geeks, at least this kind of android phones. I wanted dual sim phone, but now i think i will manage some woraround and go ios, as bad as it is, OS is much more polished and unified.
Even Moto with almost stock android still does not get direct google updates, it is just bad design.
BTW i use pro3 as daily, i get 8 + hours SOT with stock firmare, i managed to get ACR to work quite good, DND to work quite good, but still, default apps, like browser does not work, google integration is crap, even with launcher 3, missing pulldown is a joke and google services crash quite often so ... meh, but still better then my gs4 with new battery and lineage
Oh and also the ambient light sensors sets screen too dim for me at night, until now I had opposite problem with all the other phones i had.
I also have galaxy s7 at hand to use and in my opinion samsung android is even worse.
The main issue is there is really no Android OS, no phone with AOSP, which is only real Android OS, only ****ton of phones with more or less molested OS.
BTW my budget was 1100usd for a phone, i still chose pro3 and I still think, despite it's flaws, for me, it is best choice, which is sad, but it is reality, we can't change it, reality is reality. I will try z2 force with battery pack if they sell it officially in Czech, but I don't expect much.
Oh my I thought I was the only one with the headphone issue
Hmm my Le Pro 3 is coming soon... But I'm more likely to just sell It while it's new and make some $$$ of it. Seeing this rants and all... AOSP/lineage is a must for me, same as Oreo.
Just gonna buy OP5 to replace my Bacon. Maybe that jelly pentile so not exactly FHD, POS display won't be so bad...
FunkyRasta said:
Hmm my Le Pro 3 is coming soon... But I'm more likely to just sell It while it's new and make some $$$ of it. Seeing this rants and all... AOSP/lineage is a must for me, same as Oreo.
Just gonna buy OP5 to replace my Bacon. Maybe that jelly pentile so not exactly FHD, POS display won't be so bad...
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These rants are about things that we would like to have on the device and are inevitable, like the fact that we knew that there was no headphone jack and that the CDLA headphones are not perfect on custom software, we knew it and still took the chance, not the phone or dev's fault.
Other than that, the phone is amazing, you should give it a go, I don't think you can get too much money out of it, this is the wrong phone to re-sell for higher.
Also, you have a very specific example from other people in this thread, which is, you might like stock software which gives you the best battery life for the device.
Jose-MXL said:
These rants are about things that we would like to have on the device and are inevitable, like the fact that we knew that there was no headphone jack and that the CDLA headphones are not perfect on custom software, we knew it and still took the chance, not the phone or dev's fault.
Other than that, the phone is amazing, you should give it a go, I don't think you can get too much money out of it, this is the wrong phone to re-sell for higher.
Also, you have a very specific example from other people in this thread, which is, you might like stock software which gives you the best battery life for the device.
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I pretty OK with using adapter, no problem with me. I ordered it from China so when it gets to Europe it is worth more. I certainly would not lose money on it.
The only things that worry me are uncertain future of Oreo on this device and overall stability. I currently manage over 4 hours SOT with my OnePlus One.... Why this thing with 4070 Mah (thousand f-ing more) does 4.5 H or slightly more ? With newer SoC, screen etc. Stock software is a no-go for me. Android 6.0 is a no-go for me. So I rely on custom ROMs and dev support. At least dev support here is great!
Coming from Nexus and Nexus 5x, I was used to having so many roms and kernels. Getting LP3 was a big big jump and I did not like it in early days when no roms were available.
Now with more than enough roms and solid kernels, I do not miss anything. Omni Rom gives me 9 hrs of screen on time for my usage. It does not feel/act different than roms I used before.
The only problem was the camera performance. But with Google Camera port, that is no longer a problem now.