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REVIEW: DayDeal.com Hybrid TPU/Hard Plastic Case

POSITIVE EXPERIENCE WITH A LITTLE NUDGE AND A NAME DROP FROM XDA!
Bought and just received one of these hybrid TPU/Hard Plastic cases: http://www.daydeal.com/product.php?productid=44427&cat=4947
Very nice. Fits snug and feels slim still (I have been going naked, and finally decided to get a few cases).
It actually IMPROVES button functionality (Unlike some other TPU style cases I've read about) for those of us who's EVOs have a difficult power button. I really like using it with no battery door, so the red back shows through like a clear battery door would (Still have 2 of Joey's battery Doors ordered though!, and YOU SHOULD TOO!!!)
One complaint is that it shipped form DayDeal with a crack in the back, seen in the attached picture. I have written DayDeal to see what they say, and will update this post with a verdict if/when they do..
EDIT: They are sending me a new one free of charge, and are seemingly lettimg me keep the defective/cracked one. Had to arm wrestle a little, but they agreed. I would recommend purchasing from them still.

Cool, thanks for the info. I actually ordered this one off of ebay, but am still waiting to get it. You can get it for a few bucks cheaper. I also got one of the standard TPU cases, and they are pretty nice. The standard TPU cases have a great tight fit, but as mentioned, you need to add some tape to get the buttons to react better. So, I'm glad to hear that the buttons work well on these. The other reason I don't like the TPU cases is because they are not of great quality. They just feel cheap because of the edges not being smooth (excess plastic). Definitely worth the $5 price tag, but I want something a little nicer looking on my $450 phone.
http://cgi.ebay.com/Black-Smoke-Hybrid-Flexi-Skin-Cover-HTC-EVO-4G-/400142192129?pt=PDA_Accessories
Also, I would definitely be demanding a new one because of that crack. Hopefully they don't crack easily.

Wow...I feel like I got bent over for the price I paid compared to what they are selling them for on EBAY....Oh well...Shipping was included on mine so it's not too big of a difference.
On the crack...The hard back feels nice and sturdy and don't think it will crack easily. I think I just got a bum one.
There is also a little bit of a chip @ each of the cut-outs for speaker, cam and flash, that look like a byproduct of production, but they are hardly noticeable and would it have been only those, I wouldn't have complained probably...
Thanks for the info that they're on EBAY now!

Thanks for the link to their ebay listing. Saves me a few bucks over purchasing on their website.

Does the case protect the camera lens?

ritzbrie said:
Does the case protect the camera lens?
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The lens does sit recessed from the case.

Bang3r said:
POSITIVE EXPERIENCE WITH A LITTLE NUDGE AND A NAME DROP FROM XDA!
Bought and just received one of these hybrid TPU/Hard Plastic cases: http://www.daydeal.com/product.php?productid=44427&cat=4947
Very nice. Fits snug and feels slim still (I have been going naked, and finally decided to get a few cases).
It actually IMPROVES button functionality (Unlike some other TPU style cases I've read about) for those of us who's EVOs have a difficult power button. I really like using it with no battery door, so the red back shows through like a clear battery door would (Still have 2 of Joey's battery Doors ordered though!, and YOU SHOULD TOO!!!)
One complaint is that it shipped form DayDeal with a crack in the back, seen in the attached picture. I have written DayDeal to see what they say, and will update this post with a verdict if/when they do..
EDIT: They are sending me a new one free of charge, and are seemingly lettimg me keep the defective/cracked one. Had to arm wrestle a little, but they agreed. I would recommend purchasing from them still.
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Daydeal made good on an order I had when i had my TP2. No questions asked, actually contacted me to tell me about defects. Very good company.

ritzbrie said:
Does the case protect the camera lens?
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I see this question a lot from people and I'm guessing they don't realize the camera has a bezel around it that already protects it when you put it down on the desk, etc.

sanjsrik said:
I see this question a lot from people and I'm guessing they don't realize the camera has a bezel around it that already protects it when you put it down on the desk, etc.
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I realize the camera has a bezel around the lens. But if I set the phone down on a rough surface and uneven and surface, such as asphalt, that tiny bezel will not protect the lens. However if the camera lens does not protrude at all from the case, there is more of a chance the camera will be protected.

I just got mine today. I ordered from ebay. I am quite pleased with it. I can't believe how much easier the buttons are to push with this case.

Great Case
I bought two of these cases straight from daydeal and one was cracked and the other was messed up on the side. I called them and they sent me two more no questions asked. I love these cases they are great. I have bought many cases for my phone and these are by far the best and and Daydeal is a great company.

clear on clear, 4.99 free shipping. ordered friday, i have it now (monday). it is no homo, but spanks these other ones, does a backflip, and runs off.
Clear TPU + PC Cover Case for HTC EVO 4G

akastixx said:
clear on clear, 4.99 free shipping. ordered friday, i have it now (monday). it is no homo, but spanks these other ones, does a backflip, and runs off.
Clear TPU + PC Cover Case for HTC EVO 4G
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^^..chuckle...got my replacement today. Came in totally current packaging. The first one was already a return probably.

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I see this question a lot from people and I'm guessing they don't realize the camera has a bezel around it that already protects it when you put it down on the desk, etc.
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I'm guessing you don't realize that this so called "bezel" is nothing more than fail. I have never set my phone down on anything I would consider a rough surface (certainly not asphalt) and my camera lens has at least half a dozen noticeable scratches on it. There is not a single scratch on any other part of the phone, only the camera lens itself is scratched.
If this bezel does such a good job of protecting the camera lens then why does mine have scratches all over it?

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I'm guessing you don't realize that this so called "bezel" is nothing more than fail. I have never set my phone down on anything I would consider a rough surface (certainly not asphalt) and my camera lens has at least half a dozen noticeable scratches on it. There is not a single scratch on any other part of the phone, only the camera lens itself is scratched.
If this bezel does such a good job of protecting the camera lens then why does mine have scratches all over it?
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I'm curious about this and I'm asking with no malice of forethought or intention, but why would anyone set a $500 piece of equipment down ON a camera lens, regardless of what the manufacturer tells you about a bezel or not (regardless what I have said) face DOWN on asphalt and then state that that the camera lens has scratches on it? I'm really curious.
Do you also key up your car door and stand back in amazement that keys have that effect on car doors and paint and metal?
Reminds me of an old joke:
Patient: Doctor, it hurts when I stick this pencil in my eye.
Doctor: Then don't stick the pencil in your eye.
WHY take a device with a camera lens and put it face down (up, that is, meaning with the camera lens on the asphalt) and then act amazed that the lens was scratched? Was it something unexpected?
I mean you haven't set your device down on asphalt but what do you imagine would be the outcome? The bezel is not meant to protect your device's lens from irresponsible behavior, just casual putting it on a desk.
I put my device on a desk all day long and my camera lens is perfectly fine. What kind of desk do you put yours down on that it has so many scratches after only 2 months?
I just checked my device, not a single scratch. I've had it since the first day it was released. Absolutely NO camera lens scratches. And, I keep my device in my pocket.

Yeah, I'm not sure why anyone would do that (setting $600 phone on asphalt). That's a question you should be asking ritzbrie.
I have taken great measures to keep my phone looking brand new. I usually keep it in my pocket, but when it's charging I will lay it on my computer desk or coffee table. There have been times I have placed my phone on the couch or the bed, but I seriously doubt the couch cushion is what scratched my lens.
I started out always laying it camera side down because I wanted to make sure I didn't get any scratches on the screen, but I soon came to find that I now have multiple scratches on the camera lens. It's frustrating to say the least. To my knowledge I have never placed the phone on any surface that could potentially scratch the lens even if the bezel wasn't there.
Now I won't even set the phone directly on any hard flat surface. If it's going to be on my computer desk for charging I place it on the mouse pad. On any other desk I will make sure it is resting on an envelope or a note pad of some sort.
Do you also key up your car door and stand back in amazement that keys have that effect on car doors and paint and metal?
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The accurate analogy for my situation would go more like this..
Are you amazed that your two month old car door is all keyed up when your car has rarely been out of the garage and you have only used the remote key-less entry to unlock it?
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And my answer would be yes! (although I wouldn't put it past some douche bag to key up my car in the Wal-Mart parking lot just for the hell of it, but that is clearly not what has happened to my phone)

Main Frame said:
Yeah, I'm not sure why anyone would do that (setting $600 phone on asphalt). That's a question you should be asking ritzbrie.
I have taken great measures to keep my phone looking brand new. I usually keep it in my pocket, but when it's charging I will lay it on my computer desk or coffee table. There have been times I have placed my phone on the couch or the bed, but I seriously doubt the couch cushion is what scratched my lens.
I started out always laying it camera side down because I wanted to make sure I didn't get any scratches on the screen, but I soon came to find that I now have multiple scratches on the camera lens. It's frustrating to say the least. To my knowledge I have never placed the phone on any surface that could potentially scratch the lens even if the bezel wasn't there.
Now I won't even set the phone directly on any hard flat surface. If it's going to be on my computer desk for charging I place it on the mouse pad. On any other desk I will make sure it is resting on an envelope or a note pad of some sort.
The accurate analogy for my situation would go more like this..
And my answer would be yes! (although I wouldn't put it past some douche bag to key up my car in the Wal-Mart parking lot just for the hell of it, but that is clearly not what has happened to my phone)
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THIS is why I don't go to Walmart, the douchebags. Of course, in NYC, there are no Walmarts. Probably to keep the douchebags out of their parking lots if there were any.

sanjsrik said:
I'm curious about this and I'm asking with no malice of forethought or intention, but why would anyone set a $500 piece of equipment down ON a camera lens, regardless of what the manufacturer tells you about a bezel or not (regardless what I have said) face DOWN on asphalt and then state that that the camera lens has scratches on it? I'm really curious.
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Ever try lifting something heavy in a pair of gym shorts? I rather set the phone down on the concrete than risk having it fall from my pocket onto the asphalt.

Just a little FYI, under VERY close inspection, this so called bezel that is supposed to protect the camera lens, doesn't even protrude from the back of the phone as far as the lens does.
What I'm saying is, the lens itself sticks out further than the surrounding bezel. So when the phone is resting on a flat surface it is actually the camera lens it is resting on, and I guess this protects the shinny bezel from getting scratched?

Galaxy S3 Dust Problem?

Hey Guys and Girls,
I just got my Galaxy S III a month ago and I am developing a problem I can't seem to figure out. On the edges of the phone, where the glass meets the blue plastic I am getting a build up of dirt. I keep my hands very clean as I am super OCD about my devices. With that being said, I am getting dirt and "grime" build up in the sides. Sometimes it's hard to notice but it becomes clearer as more days go on. I have contacted Samsung and they were unwilling to decide what it was without seeing it. I contacted my carrier who sent me a replacement after ten or more calls. The new device seems to suffer the same fate. I am wondering if anyone else is having this problem or knows how to get rid of it. I tried to clean it with an air canister with no luck and plenty of sharp objects. None which would do a great job, the only thing that came close was a toothbrush and that was difficult to say the least. Is this a known problem or am I getting more defective devices. Thanks for your input.
P.S- I know the photo isn't great and I will take more to show the effects. It is most noticeable in the corners, the sides, and around the speaker and home button.
Appreciate the help!

I don't have any issues and I have the white one, so it should be more obvious.
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I had some lint build up in mine before I got a case (free zoogue deal) that covers the gap. I just used the corner of a folded piece of paper to clean it out a few times. Personally, I consider that gap to be a design flaw, particularly considering that the gap is not uniform on all sides...

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I had some lint build up in mine before I got a case (free zoogue deal) that covers the gap. I just used the corner of a folded piece of paper to clean it out a few times. Personally, I consider that gap to be a design flaw, particularly considering that the gap is not uniform on all sides...
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I will try the paper trick, pretty much the only thing I didn't use. I find the gap to be a flaw as well considering that over time it is only bound to get worse. I have found that some spots are wider than others. Not sure why they would create a design like this but glad to see I am not the only one. I thought I was being OCD for awhile.

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I will try the paper trick, pretty much the only thing I didn't use. I find the gap to be a flaw as well considering that over time it is only bound to get worse. I have found that some spots are wider than others. Not sure why they would create a design like this but glad to see I am not the only one. I thought I was being OCD for awhile.
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The gap isn't a design flaw: it's actually the seam between the front and back of the phone, and it's where you slip a spudger (flat plastic knife) in order to pry it apart (after rear screws are removed) for repair.
Just put a case on it -- any case will do -- and then it's virtually a non-issue. If you don't want to use case then just live with having to clean out the gunk build-up every couple months.
(And, frankly, it's kinda lame that you *****ed about this "problem" over 10 phonecalls and then they finally gave you a replacement phone to make you go away and stop costing them money)

Before I had a case I didn't have this issue. The gap isn't very noticeable. I have a Diztronic TPU case now ($10 Amazon) and it has a small lip which covers that gap. Maybe you have dirty pockets or a batch of phones that just had a slightly larger gap.

zmore said:
The gap isn't a design flaw: it's actually the seam between the front and back of the phone, and it's where you slip a spudger (flat plastic knife) in order to pry it apart (after rear screws are removed) for repair.
Just put a case on it -- any case will do -- and then it's virtually a non-issue. If you don't want to use case then just live with having to clean out the gunk build-up every couple months.
(And, frankly, it's kinda lame that you *****ed about this "problem" over 10 phonecalls and then they finally gave you a replacement phone to make you go away and stop costing them money)
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You are entitled to your opinion about how lame or not lame it was for me to call, but the truth of the matter is I have owned a multitude of phones in my lifetime, none which had a problem like this at all. I am not sure if you are in Canada, but a three year term for a phone that constantly needs maintenance for removing dust does not seem like a premium device in my book. Not to mention the fact that if it finds it's way under the screen as you suggest, then it would only cause future problems, outside of the one year warranty, rendering me with an inoperable phone. So I can't say I agree with your analysis of my calls. Not to mention it costs them a negligible amount to speak with me on the phone.
Most of the cases I have found only cover the rear of the device and do not cover the lip. I would hate to cover up my super phone in a five dollar POS case just for the sake of keeping dust out of a device that should have been designed to not have that happen to begin with.

chaoticfury said:
You are entitled to your opinion about how lame or not lame it was for me to call, but the truth of the matter is I have owned a multitude of phones in my lifetime, none which had a problem like this at all. I am not sure if you are in Canada, but a three year term for a phone that constantly needs maintenance for removing dust does not seem like a premium device in my book. Not to mention the fact that if it finds it's way under the screen as you suggest, then it would only cause future problems, outside of the one year warranty, rendering me with an inoperable phone. So I can't say I agree with your analysis of my calls. Not to mention it costs them a negligible amount to speak with me on the phone.
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It can't get behind the screen because it's one piece, so don't worry about that.
Most of the cases I have found only cover the rear of the device and do not cover the lip. I would hate to cover up my super phone in a five dollar POS case just for the sake of keeping dust out of a device that should have been designed to not have that happen to begin with.
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Yeah, many of the hard polycarb cases -- like Samsung's mesh case, or the popular Rock Quicksand -- that offer little edge protection don't cover the the entire lip because they can't. All TPU and hybrid cases do, though.

chaoticfury said:
Most of the cases I have found only cover the rear of the device and do not cover the lip. I would hate to cover up my super phone in a five dollar POS case just for the sake of keeping dust out of a device that should have been designed to not have that happen to begin with.
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Most TPU cases have a lip which wraps around the front. It's not a hard plastic case that tries to snap into place. I have the Diztronic case and the lip is definitely there and it definitely covers the gap you're referring to. I had a TPU case for my GSII and it's the same basic design. If you don't want a case then you'll have to put up with the dirt in the crevices or get a different phone.

AngelsNecropolis said:
Most TPU cases have a lip which wraps around the front. It's not a hard plastic case that tries to snap into place. I have the Diztronic case and the lip is definitely there and it definitely covers the gap you're referring to. I had a TPU case for my GSII and it's the same basic design. If you don't want a case then you'll have to put up with the dirt in the crevices or get a different phone.
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Thanks Angels,
I will have a look at the cases as you suggest and try to find one that I like. I would hate to give up this phone as I very much enjoy it and don't see any other phones that interest me at the present moment.

chaoticfury said:
Thanks Angels,
I will have a look at the cases as you suggest and try to find one that I like. I would hate to give up this phone as I very much enjoy it and don't see any other phones that interest me at the present moment.
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Np. I use this case. http://www.amazon.com/Diztronic-Fle...54&sr=8-7&keywords=diztronic+galaxy+s+III+tpu The matte feel is nice and it comes with a screen protector which I applied and it's good quality as well. It doesn't attract as much finger prints as other screen protectors I've used and it's very clear.
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But... even with a TPU case you'll have to be careful of drops. Gorilla Glass isn't as strong as it's touted to be against sudden impacts (watch iPhone5 vs Samsung Galaxy S III drop test). My GSII got a small scratch prior to applying a protector and just today a coworker dropped her GSII on concrete and the TPU case didn't stop the screen from severely cracking. It will protect from a lot of surface scratches though. My mom just got her first smart phone (a Pantech) and dropped it and it slid across the floor. I hadn't gotten her screen protector yet and her screen has some small scratches and nicks.
I guess my point is even if it reduces the aesthetics get a case, a screen protector, and be careful still.

I ordered that case like you suggested but it has yet to arrive. The replacement phone I got from my carrier is having even worse problems than my first one. I was even more careful with this than the others. Not really sure what to do. I am intrigued by the fact that I see nobody who has a white GS3 post problems about it. I wonder if the blue is the only one with these kind of issues.

I've got a blue one and don't have that problem
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This thread on tight fitting cases might be helpful.

I have. White phone no such issues I also noticed the white button sticks out a bit more.
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I had a blue one and had the same problem. The dust was noticeable around the edge and around the speaker. I ended up exchanging it because the home button died. All they had in stock was white so I took it. I have to say, the white one has much less of a seam and there is no noticeable dust build up!
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I had a blue one and had the same problem. The dust was noticeable around the edge and around the speaker. I ended up exchanging it because the home button died. All they had in stock was white so I took it. I have to say, the white one has much less of a seam and there is no noticeable dust build up!
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Going to see if I can get a white. I prefer blue but I hate this problem.

Mine collects dust too and I use a Rock case. I'd clean it if I could, but I can't seem to fit paper or anything in to push it out either. It's hardly visible, not putting too much thought in to it.

Running naked - no case nor pouch

Hello,
just looking for your experience with running phone naked.
No case nor pouch at all.
Sure, i love my phone. I don't wan't it damaged, but i don't see any purpose of running phone 2 years in case, and then throwing it onto shelf in mint condition.
So pouch would be ideal for me, right ? NO. I hate being in public and juggleing with phone in one hand, case in another, when the phone rings.
Same applies for shooting photos. Until i pull the pouch from my pocket and then pull phone from pouch, "subject is away"
And now, your experience.
Do you run phone naked ? How does the lens stand it ?
Lens is my only concern. I don't want to end-up with damaged lens, it would be shame to not be able to use ultrapixel camera.
My camera lens is not completely hidden to the body. It's bit uneven. Near the top of the phone, it's about 1mm inside. Bottom side of lens circle is flush with metal body, or it protrudes very very slightly.
Should i start to fear and put mega-super-tank case on it ?
/People with cases, please do not reply. This thread is only for strength ones, who run their phone naked. Eventually if you damaged it and now use it with case, you are welcome /

+1 on this question! I use a case mainly to protect the lense. Worried that pulling the phone out of pockets many times a day would cause scratches since the lens glass is flush with the back. But maybe I'm too careful... So would be very interesting to hear if you guys "running naked" could share if this is working regarding the glass on the lense.
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I use it naked. I made the mistake of buying an otter box case. It's massive, it totally ruins my phone experience. It makes it impossible to pull out of jeans.
So I use it naked but I put the case on to ride my bike to the gym. So far in 6 months I dropped the phone only once, luckily it was with the case on.
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Thread closed,
There is a very similar thread in the accessories section regarding this. The post could have gone here.
Love naked device but need case....

Anyone else wish LG hadnt used glossy plastic around the trim of the G4?

Yes, I know it doesn't effect the functionally and features. Overall I'm impressed with the G4. It's just that I'm incredibly careful with my phones and very OCD about scratches, yet after only a few days I'm already seeing tiny little micro scratches appearing on that silly glossy strip around the phone. Why couldn't they have made it matte? Or even satin? I had a Lumia 1020 and it held up very well, thanks to its matte finish. The edges of a phone experience the most wear and tear, and with glossy finishes being the least hard-wearing - or at least the finish that shows up scratches the worst - I just wish LG had thought a bit more about this rather than just going down the 'it looks nice when you first buy it so that's all that matters' route.
This isn't a serious criticism of the device, I just wondered if glossy plastic edges like this annoy anyone else? I'm fairly confident that someone is going to say 'aluminium edges are just as bad' or 'my G4 is perfect and I've never had a single LG get a scratch on it', but my personal experience with LGs is that they seem to let themselves down in terms of material choices sometimes. The brittle plastic on the G3 - which would often crack along the IR port or rear mic over time, is a case in point. The laser autofocus on my G3 also got small hairline scuffs on it. My Nexus 4 soft touch coating rubbed off completely in certain areas along the edge. I always keep my phones in their own pocket and I'm very careful where I put them.
Just wondered if it bothers anyone else. It's a phone at the end of the day, not a baby...but I do like to keep things nice and it annoys me when my new devices start to develop wear really quickly!!

Yeah I think it's a bummer. So I left my protective film pieces on the phone and just cut off the little pull tab on each sticker. That should prolong the inevitable.

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Yeah I think it's a bummer. So I left my protective film pieces on the phone and just cut off the little pull tab on each sticker. That should prolong the inevitable.
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Haha thats what I did. I'll take them off once I get my case
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I'm running a case on it now, but the bezel kept me from getting the tan leather

I just clipped the ends of the factory protective film as well. I was originally planning on removing the film altogether, but since I'm waiting on OEM plastic backs to show up en masse on eBay at a reasonable price so I can buy one and use my case, we'll see how long the film lasts instead. A matte or brushed finish would have been much better regardless of whether the trim ring was plastic or metal.

It's definitely not as attractive a design as the g3 IMHO
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Samsung G20 S is an amazing phone and more delicate than eggs

I decided to switch carriers and try a new smart phone and went with Tmobile and a Galaxy 20S. I was surprised on how slim and light the phone is upon picking it up. The retail store did not have any cases I liked so I ordered a case off Amazon and decided to not take my phone out of the house until I had a case for it. Well......
I had my phone for about 4 days using it in the house. My phone was sitting on the arm rest of my couch and slid off , dropped and landed on the laminate floor. A fall of less than 20". The rear glass cover is cracked on opposite corner edges.
My phone and camera work fine but I am simply amazed at how fragile the 20S is or maybe its just my 20S. I have no idea if its a factory defect and I have never seen anything like it. Its really more fragile than an egg. If the phone is this delicate it should come WITH some type of case or more durable gorilla glass. I am 57 years old and owned several brands of smart phones ( coming from an LG V30) and I have never dropped or broken a phone before in my life. Be aware my cracked 20S could be a fluke or a sign of a bigger issue. Now I need to find a place to replace mt rear cover.
The Galaxy 20 S needs a GOOD case so be advised if you have one be darn careful with it. The quality of the phone ( use) is excellent , its the durability issue that makes me concerned. If a laminate floor cracked the rear glass a drop on concrete will likely kill the phone. Pretty sad for a device that costs a grand or more.

Depends on which angle your phone falls, it is just glass. Gorilla glass is anti scratch but not anti crack.
Also the phone comes with a case, it's in the box and I will recommend you use it while waiting for the better one you ordered on Amazon to arrive.
Glass is glass and glass will break.
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vash_h said:
Depends on which angle your phone falls, it is just glass. Gorilla glass is anti scratch but not anti crack.
Also the phone comes with a case, it's in the box and I will recommend you use it while waiting for the better one you ordered on Amazon to arrive.
Glass is glass and glass will break.
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It needs a "fragile" logo embossed on it................

Rear screen and replacement from a Samsung authorized repair center is $109.17 / FYI

cal50 said:
It needs a "fragile" logo embossed on it................
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Just got to be careful of where you put and how you handle it.
I haven't dropped or broken a phone or misplaced one in 12 years.
Mainly because i see the item as $$$ and to get $$$ took me months of hard work.

It's WAY more break prone than other phones.
Watch and wait . Great phone for function and features, build durability is iffy at best,IMHO.

If you spend over a thousand dollars for a phone in this day and age a good case is mandatory. Otherwise you are just playing Russian Roulette and sooner or later it's gonna fall on the floor. I love the OtterBox cases. I had the commuter for many years for the S7 edge and Note 8. When I got the Ultra 512 gb I want with the Defender Pro and glad I did. First day I got the phone it was knocked off the kitchen table at work and landed on a concrete floor. Not even a scratch. So you can either wait for your beautiful caseless phone to shatter when you have an oooops moment or you can invest in a top quality case.

Everyone, well most of us, have heard the expression you cannot have your cake and eat it too!
This applies well to our beloved smart phones.
You can have something durable in its creaky, plasticky, feels like a piece of s4!+ design and all (Blackberry anyone?) that can be kicked, tossed, dropped, etc. Doesn't need a case at all.
Or the latest designs that are thin, glass on front and back with metal trim that feel like quality in hand with no squeaks or twists when handled. But if you drop them without a case you will regret it! Even if the glass doesn't chip or break there will be nicks/scratches in the bezel/frame that gets the best of the OCD types.
So now we have cases that are essentially mandatory to everyone that has to carry their devices around. The best cases combine looks/feel while offering adequate protection and then some are purely based on protective qualities alone that make our phones feel like bricks!
I do like thin cases like Pitaka but also will use something with a bit more protection if I'm running around outdoors or up in the air (tower/ladder/tree) etc. I used to use a rigid holster that would fit a specific case but gave up on those due to having to buy so many. And they didn't actually protect the screen as well as you'd think. I use a pouch now with a clip for belt and has a loop that my Grip6 belt can pass through making it utterly impossible to lose the pouch with phone safely inside.
The only thing I haven't figured out is how to make a case puppy teeth proof!

Irony :
Designing something for great looks and feel.
Has to be put in a case that wipes out the looks and feel.
Don't get me wrong, I do love the phone but it really is delicate. Sometimes adding thicker glass or raised impact frame is better for function and longevity.
This is the 1st smart phone I have damaged from a very minimal drop. The plus version I think has a raised camera module that takes a beating from setting it down on a flat surface. I almost selected that one for the bigger battery and glad I got the S20. The S20 will be a money maker for repair shops.

cal50 said:
Irony :
Designing something for great looks and feel.
Has to be put in a case that wipes out the looks and feel.
Don't get me wrong, I do love the phone but it really is delicate. Sometimes adding thicker glass or raised impact frame is better for function and longevity.
This is the 1st smart phone I have damaged from a very minimal drop. The plus version I think has a raised camera module that takes a beating from setting it down on a flat surface. I almost selected that one for the bigger battery and glad I got the S20. The S20 will be a money maker for repair shops.
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The Ultra has a raised camera lens too, but the silcone case im using is just right enough to make it flush so theres no problem with putting it down for me.

Damage the front glass, display or camera module and a $109 rear cover will be a bargain.

Darkat70 said:
The Ultra has a raised camera lens too, but the silcone case im using is just right enough to make it flush so theres no problem with putting it down for me.
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If it's flush, it would still come into contact with any surface you placed it on. I'm having a hell of a time finding a case that maintains a thin profile but has raised edges along the camera so that it can be recessed. In the meantime I use a little tempered glass protector back there. But it sucks cause it smudges easily and isn't as easy to clean. The search continues.

chetly968 said:
If it's flush, it would still come into contact with any surface you placed it on. I'm having a hell of a time finding a case that maintains a thin profile but has raised edges along the camera so that it can be recessed. In the meantime I use a little tempered glass protector back there. But it sucks cause it smudges easily and isn't as easy to clean. The search continues.
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The lens does not come in to contact with the surface so n like i said its good for me.

Darkat70 said:
The lens does not come in to contact with the surface so n like i said its good for me.
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Ah so it's not flush

chetly968 said:
Ah so it's not flush
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Its flush, but for example if i wet the surface with a cloth then place my phone down. The case is wet, the camera lens is dry.