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Commercial name: HTC Trophy (HTC 7)
Codename: Spark
Specifications:
WVGA screen
8-Megapixel camera
1GHz Snapdragon processor (QSD8250)
3G Network: HSDPA 900 / 2100
Hope it's interesting
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B
I have to confess, unless you're talking about the 8 MP camera, I don't see anything that was unknown from earlier leaks. Is that what you're referring to, or am I missing something obvious?
Also, I'd recommend taking down the second image. The name of the user logged in isn't blocked in that screenshot.
Cheers,
--VelJharig
Any more part numbers/models listed? Anything showing US models?
VelJharig said:
I have to confess, unless you're talking about the 8 MP camera, I don't see anything that was unknown from earlier leaks. Is that what you're referring to, or am I missing something obvious?
Also, I'd recommend taking down the second image. The name of the user logged in isn't blocked in that screenshot.
Cheers,
--VelJharig
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Thanks for the head up
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I only have access to the European portal atm.
Can't believe HTC uses the Q8250 which is now almost 100% confirmed.
Byebye HTC, never liked your phones anyway, they are crappy as phones. Pooooooooooor speakers, pooooooooor batterylife, poooooooooooooooor cameras, pooooooooooor reception.
All above is right compared to other brands, the 4 most important things in a phone aswell, bad bad.
This certainly doesn't look like they are shaping up
Edit: Either way, good find OP
I, for one, don't care what chip is in my phone as long as the outcome is good. From everything we've seen, the performance, including 3D Games, is pretty damn good.
RustyGrom said:
I, for one, don't care what chip is in my phone as long as the outcome is good. From everything we've seen, the performance, including 3D Games, is pretty damn good.
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But could have been better, as well as:
*Cheaper
*More energy efficient
*Newer
Why accept old "crap" in extremely expensive premium devices?
Mr.Sir said:
Can't believe HTC uses the Q8250 which is now almost 100% confirmed.
Byebye HTC, never liked your phones anyway, they are crappy as phones. Pooooooooooor speakers, pooooooooor batterylife, poooooooooooooooor cameras, pooooooooooor reception.
All above is right compared to other brands, the 4 most important things in a phone aswell, bad bad.
This certainly doesn't look like they are shaping up
Edit: Either way, good find OP
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I don't don't seem to understand why your angry at HTC and MS for using the Q8250 processor.
Think about it this way, That processor is the minimum hardware requirement for WP7, so every application and game will be optimized for all devices and developers can take full advantage of the hardware.
Now lets talk about Android fragmentation. Even if you get a Android device with a 2ghz processor and Froyo the applications won't take full advantage of you hardware. Why is that? Because there are Froyo devices on the market with 528mhz and 600mhz qualcomm processors.
Mr.Sir said:
But could have been better, as well as:
*Cheaper
*More energy efficient
*Newer
Why accept old "crap" in extremely expensive premium devices?
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Because it's not "ancient" or "crap" and will allow for devices to be cheaper than they otherwise would be.
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But could have been better, as well as:
*Cheaper
*More energy efficient
*Newer
Why accept old "crap" in extremely expensive premium devices?
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I also can't understand what is happening? It's one thing if HTC would have gone mad or something, but all leaks is pointing towards the QSD8250.
If you don't want a cheaper phone that preforms better and have a better battery time, it's up to you, but I want exactly that!
I hate to state the obvious but doesn't EVERY first gen wp7 device have the same qualcomm processor? strict hardware requirements anyone?
I mean if you knock htc for doing that you may as well knock everyone else for doing it. Fact is that's what microsoft specified for the first crop of devices
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I hate to state the obvious but doesn't EVERY first gen wp7 device have the same qualcomm processor? strict hardware requirements anyone?
I mean if you knock htc for doing that you may as well knock everyone else for doing it. Fact is that's what microsoft specified for the first crop of devices
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Do you have a link? We're just complaining that all the leaks are leading to the first gen Qualcomm processor. You know, the one that was in the Toshiba TG-01 back in June 09, with the lacklustre Adreno 200 GPU. If it's the newer snapdragons with the Adreno205 GPU, then that'd be ALOT more acceptable for a current generation device.
In saying that, the Harvest game demo looks hot, but personally, i find it hard to believe that the Adreno200 is doing such good eye candy. I'd like to be proven wrong.
I'm still crossing my fingers that Samsung will have a hummingbird/SGX540 in theirs.
I just want to know what people are referencing to make them think the 8650 is cheaper than the 8250? I'm not buying that.
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I just want to know what people are referencing to make them think the 8650 is cheaper than the 8250? I'm not buying that.
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Dont know about cheaper, but it should be abit faster, and less power hungry giving better battery life, due to it being 45nm rather than 65nm. The real breaker is the GPU really. The Adreno 200 on the QSD8250 is like 1/3 the speed of the SGX540.
There are still rumours about that WP7 devices might have the QSD8250A processor @ 1.3ghz, so theres still hope.
Here's a list of Snapdragon CPU's
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snapdragon_(processor)
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Dont know about cheaper, but it should be abit faster, and less power hungry giving better battery life, due to it being 45nm rather than 65nm. The real breaker is the GPU really. The Adreno 200 on the QSD8250 is like 1/3 the speed of the SGX540.
There are still rumours about that WP7 devices might have the QSD8250A processor @ 1.3ghz, so theres still hope.
Here's a list of Snapdragon CPU's
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snapdragon_(processor)
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Well I get that but people are claiming that it's cheaper as well which seems highly unlikely to me. Maybe over time but not yet.
45nm parts are cheaper to make since they can fit more of them on a single wafer. I have no idea if they are sold cheaper or not to manufacturers but they are cheaper to make.
Op thanks for the look. You still need to remove the second pic as there is no information that isn't in the first except who is logged in.
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Because it's not "ancient" or "crap" and will allow for devices to be cheaper than they otherwise would be.
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I believe the 8255 is cheaper, because it's manufactured on a 45nm process instead of the 65nm. That means more chips per waffer = lower prices.
krjcook said:
I don't don't seem to understand why your angry at HTC and MS for using the Q8250 processor.
Think about it this way, That processor is the minimum hardware requirement for WP7, so every application and game will be optimized for all devices and developers can take full advantage of the hardware.
Now lets talk about Android fragmentation. Even if you get a Android device with a 2ghz processor and Froyo the applications won't take full advantage of you hardware. Why is that? Because there are Froyo devices on the market with 528mhz and 600mhz qualcomm processors.
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I partly agree, however:
Microsoft have said all phones will run all programs, no fragmentation. But we do know that if not the first wave uses the Adreno 205, the second one will. How long will the game developers care about the ones with the first Adreno 200 users?
Hello All,
I don't know where this topic should go.
I want to know the difference between the processors AMRv6 and ARM11 and which is better .. I'm looking to buy a new mobile one with 830 MHz ARMv6 and the other 832 MHz ARM 11 .. which should I choose in respect to the processor?
Best Regards,
Sikas.
Thread moved to Q & A section, post in the relevant section next time.
Anyone?
5 digits
Ok, do a little googling, and if your still not sure feel free to ask again. Also there's a lot more to consider when getting a new phone
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demkantor said:
5 digits
Ok, do a little googling, and if your still not sure feel free to ask again. Also there's a lot more to consider when getting a new phone
Sent from my HTC Vision using xda premium
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I already googled, but didn't find anything to compare between both!!
ARM11 is an ARM architecture 32-bit RISC microprocessor family which introduced the ARMv6 architectural additions. These include SIMD media instructions, multiprocessor support and a new cache architecture. The implementation included significantly improved instruction processing pipeline, compared to previous ARM9 or ARM10 families, and is used in smartphones from Apple, Nokia, and others. The initial ARM11 core (ARM1136) was released to licensees in late 2002.
The ARM11 family are currently the only ARMv6-architecture cores. There are however ARMv6-M cores (Cortex-M0 and Cortex-M1), addressing microcontroller applications;[1] ARM11 cores target more demanding applications.
The galaxy tab s products that are available to me have an octa-core processor, with the high speed cores being 1.9ghz. I can't really understand why Samsung chose to use that instead of a 2.3ghz quad-core like in the tab pro.
See Wikipedia for an explanation of the concept: http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARM_...multi-processing_.28global_task_scheduling.29
Because the Exynos 5 Octa-core is the one processor that Samsung has to be able to compete with Snapdragon 800, and is cheaper to implement since it's their own processor. I don't buy the Octa-core hype, I'd be happier with the Snapdragon 800 honestly like on the Tab PRO 8.4.
The question is:
Does TAB S use the 8 cores at the same time?
It seams it does NOT, little cores are only used when low power is required..
So performance wise, this CPU is slower than SD 800
ssuper2k said:
The question is:
Does TAB S use the 8 cores at the same time?
It seams it does NOT, little cores are only used when low power is required..
So performance wise, this CPU is slower than SD 800
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And yet I am getting 35,300 on Antutu using Shaheers t800 rom which is higher than any other current tablet or phone. (Shaheer's rom should go out of beta today - don't flash until final has been posted).
The Tab Pro 8.4 Antutu is 32,806.
I CANT PLAY NOVA 3 with exynos !
AND GAMING IS NOT SO SMOOTH ! STILL A BIT LAGGY
I can see the argument that you don't always need full power, thus the four slow cores, but since all cores can't run at once, it seems a cheat to have 1.9ghz as the top speed for the faster four cores. Since, or at least I assume, cores step up and down as needed, it seems to me a snapdragon 800 or higher at 2.3ghz or higher would have been just fine. I mean, if you are going to put in 3gb of RAM, then you should put in a great cpu also and not pretend less (1.9ghz) is a better contribution to what is supposed to be a premium tablet.
And yet I don't think samsung is doing enough to utilizing this hardware capability. In theory it should run at least 4x faster and 6x more effecient then the snap dragon and apple current A8 chip. It has failed to outshine the competitors because samsung software department sucks. Samsung hardware is still great though.
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I CANT PLAY NOVA 3 with exynos !
AND GAMING IS NOT SO SMOOTH ! STILL A BIT LAGGY
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Blame the developer for not making it compatible. Tegra powered Htc one x is incompatible too so not sure that is exynos issue..
i wish my t805 had Full HD screen resolution :cyclops:
Funny. Was just browsing the web a bit on my i5 ultrabook and it occurred to me that the browser on my Tab S is actually faster. If gaming is your primary thing, I'd buy the Nvidia Shield, not the Tab S. This tablet is designed for eye candy media consumption (internet and video) not for gaming enthusiasts. Try running your PC video card at 2560 x 1600 on ultra and see what you get.
i had heard from a Samsung rep i actually enjoy talking to that Sammy had just figured the all cores at once and we should see updates that turn that feature on. when this will happen who knows. i also did not ask him for a link and now cant find that info on the web so when i see him again soon i will get more info.
i would assume (insert you know what that means) that when/if this happens the full power of this setup would greatly improve?
anyway i have had my Tab S running snappy for me and no complaints at this time
You cannot compare the clock speeds from two different processors. For instance, you can't compare the 1.9GHz quad-core of the Exynos to the 2.3GHz quad-core of the Snapdragon 800. This doesn't mean anything. If you compare the clock speed of two Snapdragon chips, that's ok, or if you compare the clock speed of two Exynos chips, then that's ok too. Comparing the clock speed of an Intel chip against the clock speed of an AMD chip, is the same as comparing the clock speed of an Exynos chip to the clock speed of a Snapdragon chip.
The Exynos chip in this tablet has been shown to compete very well/close with the Snapdragon on every level except GPU. The Mali GPU in this chip just doesn't match the Adreno GPU from the Snapdragon. However, the RAM is faster in the Exynos than the Snapdragon.
That said, I am a fan of the Snapdragon chip, of course. I was holding off to see if the LTE variant of this tablet would have the Snapdragon 800, but instead they shipped with an Intel LTE modem. Besides apps/games not being optimized for Exynos, I am fairly satisfied with my purchase. I'm just anxious to get CyanogenMod(or any other AOSP ROM installed on it).
fletch33 said:
i had heard from a Samsung rep i actually enjoy talking to that Sammy had just figured the all cores at once and we should see updates that turn that feature on. when this will happen who knows. i also did not ask him for a link and now cant find that info on the web so when i see him again soon i will get more info.
i would assume (insert you know what that means) that when/if this happens the full power of this setup would greatly improve?
anyway i have had my Tab S running snappy for me and no complaints at this time
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Could also mean increased battery consumption,don't know. Overall I am satisfied with this Tab including battery life.
There are 3 different performace results:
a) what Exynos 520 does achieve in practice now, measured bei some benchmarks and real world performance (<= Snapdragon 800)
b) what it could do theoretically - but will never happen due to driver and scheduler etc issues (>> Snapdragon)
c) what it will do some day in near future on an optimized ROM (somewhere in between?)
Fortunately the Exynos 5420 does support all 8 cores in parallel, see here:
http://www.notebookcheck.net/Samsung-Exynos-5420-Octa-SoC.103633.0.html
pibach said:
There are 3 different performace results:
a) what Exynos 520 does achieve in practice now, measured bei some benchmarks and real world performance (<= Snapdragon 800)
b) what it could do theoretically - but will never happen due to driver and scheduler etc issues (>> Snapdragon)
c) what it will do some day in near future on an optimized ROM (somewhere in between?)
Fortunately the Exynos 5420 does support all 8 cores in parallel, see here:
http://www.notebookcheck.net/Samsung-Exynos-5420-Octa-SoC.103633.0.html
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Wish I knew how. Probably a linux thing. ...
If it is possible to implement in today's existing source, I'm sure @AndreiLux would know about it ?
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Wish I knew how. Probably a linux thing. ...
If it is possible to implement in today's existing source, I'm sure @AndreiLux would know about it ?
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It's impossible.
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It's impossible.
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What and why?
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What and why?
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http://www.androidauthority.com/sam...ta-can-use-eight-cores-simultaneously-267316/
I've found a few articles saying it should support it, then a couple Deva saying they had to goto the 5422 for a working implementation of HMP.
Here is a post from odroid
http://forum.odroid.com/viewtopic.php?f=97&t=5651
That's weird. The (newer) 5422 supports HMP but not 3gb RAM.
I just read some articles that 5420 may enable 8 core processor by soft update. Is it true?
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Alexsandra said:
I just read some articles that 5420 may enable 8 core processor by soft update. Is it true?
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they're already enabled. next.
Jodova: if you don't understand the question then don't answer and display your ignorance. He's asking about enabling all right at the same time, not the big.Little configuration they're in now.
Hopefully Samsung will enable this soon.
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I can't imagine needing all 8 cores at the same time. It seems it works great under heavy loads as is.
Forgive my ignorance but, would we really benefit? It seems to me it would absolutely destroy the battery.
Is there any octa-core device running all 8 cores out of the box?
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Is there any octa-core device running all 8 cores out of the box?
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I attached a image for your question. It looks like Galaxy S5 should support enable 8 core. I think Little Big is designed for beautiful scoring not for daily usage.:banghead: I prefer to choose the latest Snapdragon Chip
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Brenardo said:
I can't imagine needing all 8 cores at the same time. It seems it works great under heavy loads as is.
Forgive my ignorance but, would we really benefit? It seems to me it would absolutely destroy the battery.
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I expect my next Tab or tablet could have enough powerful processor which is able to make me forget my windows laptop. Battery killer? Samsung ROM is the best battery killer
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Zamboney said:
Jodova: if you don't understand the question then don't answer and display your ignorance. He's asking about enabling all right at the same time, not the big.Little configuration they're in now.
Hopefully Samsung will enable this soon.
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I am waiting for update or Sony Z2 tablet is my alternative option
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Exynos 5420 + HMP = Exynos 5422. So no, Exynos 5420 which is in the S doesn't (and won't) support HMP.
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Exynos 5420 + HMP = Exynos 5422. So no, Exynos 5420 which is in the S doesn't (and won't) support HMP.
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Here's a slide from Qualcomm. The same holds true with Exynos where 85% of apps never leave the A7 cluster. In a few instances using A7 and A15 at the same time might provide needed extra power but how many apps or games exceed the power provided by four A15 chips?
Check out this:
http://www.slashgear.com/samsung-te...lementation-for-exynos-ahead-of-ces-29310253/
In this article. from Dec 2013 , more than 6 months before the tab S was released, a "Samsung Engineer" is quoted as saying:
'The ARM-based Exynos 5 Octa is currently used in a range of Samsung tablets and smartphones, but only one Exynos model, the 5420, is hardware-enabled for HMP. The 5420 is currently found in the Galaxy Note 3 and Galaxy Note 10.1. However, HMP is currently software-disabled because HMP would overheat such devices, a Samsung engineer stated.'
Samsung announced two new mobile SoCs at MWC today. The first is an update to the Exynos 5 Octa with the new Exynos 5422. The 5422 is a mild update to the 5420, which was found in some international variants of the Galaxy Note 3. The new SoC is still built on a 28nm process at Samsung, but enjoys much higher frequencies on both the Cortex A7 and A15 clusters. The two clusters can run their cores at up to 1.5GHz and 2.1GHz, respectively. The 5422 supports HMP (Heterogeneous Multi-Processing), and Samsung LSI tells us that unlike the 5420 we may actually see this one used with HMP enabled. HMP refers to the ability for the OS to use and schedule threads on all 8 cores at the same time, putting those threads with low performance requirements on the little cores and high performance threads on the big cores.
The GPU is still the same ARM Mali-T628 MP6 from the 5420, running at the same frequency. Samsung does expect the 5422 to ship with updated software (drivers perhaps?) that will improve GPU performance over the 5420.​http://www.anandtech.com/show/7811/samsungs-exynos-5422-the-ideal-biglittle-exynos-5-hexa-5260
The Exynos 5422 in the SGS5 is running at the same clock speed as the 5420 vs. the higher speeds it's capable of supporting. So it's highly likely 5420 and 5422 have the same heat envelope.
@AndreiLux is a leading kernel developer on XDA. You can review his comments on 5420 ever being able to support HMP in this thread. I'd take it as gospel. Getting HMP working where it's disabled is kind of like threads about reversing KNOX after it's tripped. Both are urban myths.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2645875
It's not impossible for the 5420, it's been done and I've seen the Samsung patch (I linked the patch in another thread in our forum somewhere). As far as I'm aware, it just hasn't been done on Android. It may require many changes including Linux version, governor etc etc
I personally (just guessing) think that Samsung haven't bothered for our device because of heating issues and invoking thermal throttling at an earlier stage. For most applications, such power would not be needed.
Edit: OK, the patch I quoted was for 5410, but I've seen similar for 5420. ...
This is the thread in I'm referring to previous discussion.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=54700335
If Samsung invested the time money and resources, I'm quite sure that is not "impossible" to do it for our device. Due to the above stated reasons, I feel it's quite "improbable".
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It's not impossible for the 5420, it's been done and I've seen the Samsung patch (I linked the patch in another thread in our forum somewhere). As far as I'm aware, it just hasn't been done on Android. It may require many changes including Linux version, governor etc etc
I personally (just guessing) think that Samsung haven't bothered for our device because of heating issues and invoking thermal throttling at an earlier stage. For most applications, such power would not be needed.
Edit: OK, the patch I quoted was for 5410, but I've seen similar for 5420. ...
This is the thread in I'm referring to previous discussion.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=54700335
If Samsung invested the time money and resources, I'm quite sure that is not "impossible" to do it for our device. Due to the above stated reasons, I feel it's quite "improbable".
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That patch in that previous discussion won't work, and neither will any for the 5420 due to various reasons I already explained in the past.
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That patch in that previous discussion won't work, and neither will any for the 5420 due to various reasons I already explained in the past.
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I never implied that that specific patch will work, just an example of what's "possible".
Here is a link on a working 5420 HMP in a Samsung demo:
https://www.google.co.th/url?sa=t&...wIwAA&usg=AFQjCNE0QItCM5_UdrpSajCtUSJ3Dt3WBw
As i maintain , possible, but improbable. ...
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As i maintain , possible, but improbable. ...
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And I maintain that it is not possible.
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And I maintain that it is not possible.
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The video isn't shot by David Copperfield . ...... This is clear evidence, not hearsay. Not "impossible", because it's actually been done
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The video isn't shot by David Copperfield . ...... This is clear evidence, not hearsay. Not "impossible", because it's actually been done
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Do you really want to argue with me? The CCI is disabled in hardware on the SoC and it's impossible in any kind of way to circumvent this via software. Beyond that we need changes to the bootloader to be able to properly manage booting of the clusters as the PM is protected/handled over TrustZone.
You will never see HMP work on any 5420 on any publicly available hardware. Period.
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Do you really want to argue with me? The CCI is disabled in hardware on the SoC and it's impossible in any kind of way to circumvent this via software. Beyond that we need changes to the bootloader to be able to properly manage booting of the clusters as the PM is protected/handled over TrustZone.
You will never see HMP work on any 5420 on any publicly available hardware. Period.
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You know that i wasnt arguing...... My point was that's is not impossible (video evidence !!), but improbable. Samsung have the resources to do just about anything they put there minds, money and motivation too. I also referred to generally 5420 , and not our specific device......
I agree on your last statement (edit: for existing public available hardware), The demo 5420 HMP clearly works.
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The Moto Z2 Play uses a Snapdragon 626 which is based on the Cortex-A53 (same goes for the Snapdragon 625 in the Moto Z Play). This architecture isn't exploitable by Spectre (https://developer.arm.com/support/security-update). Meltdown is Intel-only so far.
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Guess we dodged a bullet there!
________ original post_______
I guess by now almost everyone know about the huge design flaw that's affecting almost every processor available. The ARM inside our Z2Play may also be vulnerable.
With these exploits, malicious code can extract basically anything from our phones, from passwords, to certificates, files, you name it.
Aaaaaand we also know that the mitigation of these vulnerabilities depends on software updates and that carriers may take forever to do so.
So I think we can use this space to discuss/get up to date on this issue and get is solved ASAP.
I'll update this post with all the new information we gather along the way.
Links to understand the vulnerabilities (Meltdown is as simple as a JS code loaded within a webpage)
https://twitter.com/nicoleperlroth/status/948684376249962496
https://meltdownattack.com/
https://spectreattack.com/
The Moto Z2 Play uses a Snapdragon 626 which is based on the Cortex-A53 (same goes for the Snapdragon 625 in the Moto Z Play). This architecture isn't exploitable by Spectre (https://developer.arm.com/support/security-update). Meltdown is Intel-only so far.