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why do devs put updated apps in /system?

i mean is there a benefit to doing it over the data part? only diff i'm aware of is that (in this case, street view) putting an app in the system bit means i can't update it and as i can't get adb working on my PC, then i have to :
backup all my apps, barr those in system, flash a new rom (but remove the apks from the zip file), then reinstall all apps again
i need google street view and since adb doesnt work, this is the only way that i know of how to do this.

They're put on /system/app as that's where they originally live...if it's an app from the Market it will update itself correctly
It's also a space thing as if they were all on /data/app then you'd eat up your space in no time (unless using A2SD)

umm, ok stupid queston, why is it then no matter whose rom i try (here or modaco), if an app is on /system it is never updated? i *always* get an error during installation
few weeks back, it was google maps, now it's the updated street view.
i've flashed a new rom now but removed street.apk from the zip and can now install just fine, and can update as needs be.

I dunno, I'm stock and just today had Flash and Maps update automatically

If your system apps won't update there's something wrong with your custom ROM.

it wouldn't just be me then though?
i'm using leedroids latest and that's not updating, same with opendesire earlier on, modaco ones etc etc

Are you wiping before you install the ROMs? I've never had a problem updating system apps via the market in my ROM.

of course. full wipe

tommo123 said:
of course. full wipe
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just uninstall the app and re-install it from market

You can't if its on the system partition. Updates go on the /data/ partition, though...
Other way is to get the APK in question and install it using a file manager, it'll do the same thing

uninstalling also isn't allowed, neither is updating. it seems that once it's there, it's there.
now, i've got adb working and can list what's in system etc but it gave a read only error when i was trying to 'rm Street.apk'
remount didn't appear to be a valid option. alls working now anyways. just need to remember to remove certain apks from a zip before flashing.
funky

You *can* update system apps with market updates, as has been said before. The app remains on the system partition and the phone uses the data version instead. If it's not working for you I don't know why, but it's absolutely fine for me.

So what we need is a mod that will give you the option of replacing the system/app with updated market version, but replaces it on system and not data.

j5m said:
So what we need is a mod that will give you the option of replacing the system/app with updated market version, but replaces it on system and not data.
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Well that's exactly what I do in mine. And I get those by updating the system app via the market.

teppic74 said:
Well that's exactly what I do in mine. And I get those by updating the system app via the market.
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Thats great for you, and i appreciate that you do that with your rom +mods, but it means relying on you. Would be good if android would have it as an inbuilt function.
But i guess with newer phones having increased internal storage + a2sd this won't be an issue for much longer.

It's never going to happen as part of standard Android, because the system partition is read only. Also the system has to be a set standard in order to allow upgrades to work.

[Q] running EF02 with Urban ROM, uninstall app ?

Okay so I tried to post in Urban Inception thread but since I only lurk and flash I can't LOL
so here's the deal. I have the latest purple recovery, EF02 and EF02 modem, I flashed urban, and then flashed his add on
I cannot uninstall preloaded apps. This is my first gingerbread so I don't know if there are drastic differences, but I typically use root explorer and move the apps in question to a different folder on my SD card to back up, or just delete. simple as that.
so I did this to some of the add ons/rom apps, and they stay in the app drawer, and market, installed apps. but are not in system/app or data/app....I did even look in data/data thinking maybe it doesn't clean up after itself but even after deleting left overs its still shows
any suggestions?
Is there any way to lift the block on my account so I can post in Dev forum. I'm not a Dev wiz but I've been testing Rom/kernels since my moment on SDX and had switched over here since I got my Epic, Gtab (sweet!) and daughters intercept because there is better community support.I might ooooops with a duh question here and there but I typically have some common sense about posting "How do I turn on my phone????" in the Dev forum
thanks in advance

shrinkingspace said:
Okay so I tried to post in Urban Inception thread but since I only lurk and flash I can't LOL
so here's the deal. I have the latest purple recovery, EF02 and EF02 modem, I flashed urban, and then flashed his add on
I cannot uninstall preloaded apps. This is my first gingerbread so I don't know if there are drastic differences, but I typically use root explorer and move the apps in question to a different folder on my SD card to back up, or just delete. simple as that.
so I did this to some of the add ons/rom apps, and they stay in the app drawer, and market, installed apps. but are not in system/app or data/app....I did even look in data/data thinking maybe it doesn't clean up after itself but even after deleting left overs its still shows
any suggestions?
Is there any way to lift the block on my account so I can post in Dev forum. I'm not a Dev wiz but I've been testing Rom/kernels since my moment on SDX and had switched over here since I got my Epic, Gtab (sweet!) and daughters intercept because there is better community support.I might ooooops with a duh question here and there but I typically have some common sense about posting "How do I turn on my phone????" in the Dev forum
thanks in advance
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the apps should be in /system/app/ or /data/app/ and you should be able to remove them with root explorer just remember to remount writable before you go to move/erase one of them.
and to post in the development section i believe you need atleast 10 posts

thanks I did do that actually, it's usually the first thing I do, like I wrote above. I either move them (take them out of system/app or data/app) to make a back up at the same time (before there were so many flashable restore zips lol....or just straight up delete them
I did do that and they still show in app drawer, installed apps and market, they show with that generic icon, they do not show in system app....they are executable and don't update from market with you try but show up none the less....I was assuming it was rom specific, which is why i wanted to post there.
I don't know if it was something written into the add on pack offer by the rom developer (compkid?)
but thank you for responding, oh and yes i was mounted R/W it wouldn't have deleted from system otherwise...werid there's a trace left???? grrrrrrr just driving me nuts

shrinkingspace said:
thanks I did do that actually, it's usually the first thing I do, like I wrote above. I either move them (take them out of system/app or data/app) to make a back up at the same time (before there were so many flashable restore zips lol....or just straight up delete them
I did do that and they still show in app drawer, installed apps and market, they show with that generic icon, they do not show in system app....they are executable and don't update from market with you try but show up none the less....I was assuming it was rom specific, which is why i wanted to post there.
I don't know if it was something written into the add on pack offer by the rom developer (compkid?)
but thank you for responding, oh and yes i was mounted R/W it wouldn't have deleted from system otherwise...werid there's a trace left???? grrrrrrr just driving me nuts
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I have noticed that I have had to delete the apps from system/apps folder and data/data folders. Try looking that folder as well and see if the apps are showing in there.
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yes I did delete from both. I did notice also that some were located in both
so when i look at settings>applications> manage, they are still listed, as com.....etc
and grayed out, and sd symbol...when i click on them, all options (uninstall, clear data, force stop) are blacked out
I looked on my sd card and they are not in .secure, android/data etc
I ran the terminal and ls'ed /mnt/asec and they are not there either
so here's only thing i can think of: when I ls -l system/app all the system apps have rw-r--r--
i can write to it, ie copy and paste via rootexplore but is it not letting me execute install???
so should i chmod...only thing is I can't chmod system/app recursively??? keeps saying bad mode like it's not recognizing "-R"
maybe I'm off and the permission have nothing to do with it
thanks for the suggestions so far, if anyone else has an idea or knows about the permissions and whether that's what's going on let me know
or where those are hiding, it says sd in the app list but i couldn't find it anywhere and I didn't notice any sdext partition

so got it????
I went back to stock, fresh clean odin, odined purple CWM, flashed Kernelplus EF02, 3x wipe, flashed urban again, this time I DID NOT do the add on and it's been fine, doing nothing diff than usual and when i delete an app from system or data, it's gone from app list, market,
so I don't know what's going on with that compkid addon zip but the only thing i did different this time was not flash that and everything is behaving normally

If you make changes to the system, clearing the dalvic cache and fixing permissions should help clear the remnants of removed apps.
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I want to make sure I have this right. You deleted the apks from both folders, did a reboot and the apps were still there? Or did you just delete from the two folders and not reboot before checking if they were still there?
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Sometimes if u reboot the go away also.
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oh trust me i rebooted...they were not in the folders (system, or data), but still in the app list (settings, applications, manage apps) and market and appbrain still tried to update
in manage applications it showed them as greyed out, and when i clicked on that all options (clear data, uninstall, froce stop etc) were blacked out and unclickable
this time around i did all things the same (ef02 from odin, flash CWM purple, su.zip, 3x data wipe UI ROM) except installing that add on package of extra apps and I no problem deleting anything from system after installing urban inception Rom...added a theme and still no problem modifying
weird huh, I haven't opened the zip, and to be honest I can follow it but I'm not a dev so i wouldn't necessarily recognize anything

Ok, compkid is big on his icons and themes. Check these three spots with Root Explorer or something like it: system/app, data/app, and data/data folders. The third was the last spot I found some things left to delete. I think that should take care of any leftover files that are keeping them from disappearing but in the OP Compkid does suggest using 7zip to delete unwanted apps before flashing the folder. Hope that may help
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any idea why those grayed out icons would have a tiny sd (sd card im assuming) in corner...they were the ones that came with the addon, not user installed. I did peek in data/data but theres a good chance i missed something. I also for kicks checked everywhere in my sdcard like i mentioned earlier...just never seen an app left like that with an sd on the blank icon
issues resolved as far as my phone but i have this need to know issue haha
i should have gone through first, i did notice that but i was being lazy i guess

shrinkingspace said:
any idea why those grayed out icons would have a tiny sd (sd card im assuming) in corner...they were the ones that came with the addon, not user installed. I did peek in data/data but theres a good chance i missed something. I also for kicks checked everywhere in my sdcard like i mentioned earlier...just never seen an app left like that with an sd on the blank icon
issues resolved as far as my phone but i have this need to know issue haha
i should have gone through first, i did notice that but i was being lazy i guess
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You have got me there. I haven't run across that before. Did you possibly move apps to SD or is that an indicator of such since they are saved to SD? Not sure on that one..just some possibilities. Maybe someone else has some ideas???
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well i didn't move those over for sure, it was es file explorer, twitter (maybe), facebook (maybe), samsung app store (another maybe) i was looking at so many things in half a day, having not been on xda in awhile, catching up on all the gingerbread leak stuff and new CWM and trying to make sure i read through everything before playing that i can't remember all of the apps exactly (one smack for not writing it down), but i remember specifically one was es file explorer
i've never seen that either, with the green/white square icon, and all the menus blacked out when i click it....never seen that ...haha I'd love it if someone knew so i wouldn't have to sit here pretending I'm not still annoyed in the back of my mind, wonder if i could ever find happy gilmore's "happy place" instead of little green and white icons

So if you long press on those Android boxes that used to be apps and hold them over the trash can you can't uninstall them? I use Zeam Launcher and that's an option on there. What launcher are you using? It sounds like you are close to where you want to be now...
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i can delete them off the desktop fine, but they are still in the system someplace...the app manager still shows them there...those icons show in drawer, in app list and in market update however the update was unsuccessful...the app manager shows them in the list when i click on them, you can't do anything, every option (uninstall, clear data, move, force stop) is blacked out and not clickable
sure i can delete the icon but it's still tucked away somehow,
also like i said earlier, something else was buggy where i couldn't drop apps, in the system/app folder to install (YES I clicked R/W)....i couldn't re install via rootexplorer even the ones that came with add on....i've used many roms since i got my moment and 2.1 came out and then began my flashing addiction and i've always been able to click and install, it might prompt me that it's already install do i want to proceed, but would install over the other and complete successfully....every time it said install unsuccessful.

Issue with application download

I've been trying to install various apps on my device but everyt time I try to install a new app it says I have unsufficient storage space, which shouln't be the case as I have plenty of space left on the phone. Even if I try to delete a few applications off the phone in order to make some room it still says I have unsufficient space.
I'm running AOKP JB rom 09/04 version with the Sammy Kernel 08/30.

ray8753 said:
I've been trying to install various apps on my device but everyt time I try to install a new app it says I have unsufficient storage space, which shouln't be the case as I have plenty of space left on the phone. Even if I try to delete a few applications off the phone in order to make some room it still says I have unsufficient space.
I'm running AOKP JB rom 09/04 version with the Sammy Kernel 08/30.
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Is it looking at the internal sdcard or external? Also, way back I had a similar prob, I rebooted to CWM and did the fix permissions, and it started letting me d/l. Also, try clearing the cache for the market app, you are talking about from the market right?

Yes, I I figured out how to fix it, used the cmd console through platform-tools to manually set the install location to external sd now everything installs perfectly =) thanks for the help though
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Apps not working after internal/external memory swap

Hi,
I'm using CM10a3 by arco... I did the internal/external memory swapping and it worked.
The problem now is that many apps I had installed do not work anymore!
Apollo crashed - can't open it anymore! - while others say that they are not installed!
How can I repair them?
I tried copying all my folders from my internal memory to the sdcard (after the swap), but I still face the problems mentioned above!

Of course they dont work. Because you didnt move them. So now you have to reinstall them again

talat054 said:
Of course they dont work. Because you didnt move them. So now you have to reinstall them again
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What do you mean?
They were not installed installed in the sdcard!
And also copying them to the sdcard does not solve the problem as I wrote before...
So what do I have to copy exactly and from where to where?
Can I go back maybe by undoing the swap? Would it work?
Tx

[.::MDT::.] said:
What do you mean?
They were not installed installed in the sdcard!
And also copying them to the sdcard does not solve the problem as I wrote before...
So what do I have to copy exactly and from where to where?
Can I go back maybe by undoing the swap? Would it work?
Tx
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Best to swap immediately after flashing rom..try to clear data and reboot..or better to reflash and swap again. Thats d 1st thing i do. After flashing i boot up, open play store and only download root browser lite before swapping and reboot. Den ony install apps
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K&Q said:
Best to swap immediately after flashing rom..try to clear data and reboot..or better to reflash and swap again. Thats d 1st thing i do. After flashing i boot up, open play store and only download root browser lite before swapping and reboot. Den ony install apps
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Are you saying I should swap back and reboot?
I'll try that.

[.::MDT::.] said:
Are you saying I should swap back and reboot?
I'll try that.
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I mean if u can reflash cm10 it would be better..less chance of bugs..start over. So your process should be..
Wipe data and cache
Flash cm10
Flash Gaaps
Reboot
Then after setting up phone, download any root file browser. I personally dont like d cm10 file manager.
Do the swap. Change 0>1, 1>0
Then REBOOT
And you're done. Can install ur other apps/backups.
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K&Q said:
I mean if u can reflash cm10 it would be better..less chance of bugs..start over. So your process should be..
Wipe data and cache
Flash cm10
Flash Gaaps
Reboot
Then after setting up phone, download any root file browser. I personally dont like d cm10 file manager.
Do the swap. Change 0>1, 1>0
Then REBOOT
And you're done. Can install ur other apps/backups.
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OK, tx for your piece of advice, but I don't want to flash everything from scratch.
I swapped int/ext memory back and now everything works again, of course not the swap anyway...
What's the process of swapping in a not-pristine environment (i.e. with many apps installed)?
Tx.

[.::MDT::.] said:
OK, tx for your piece of advice, but I don't want to flash everything from scratch.
I swapped int/ext memory back and now everything works again, of course not the swap anyway...
What's the process of swapping in a not-pristine environment (i.e. with many apps installed)?
Tx.
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No worries
I haven't tried non-pristine flashing b4 but this should work (its vy similar to the above):
I am not responsible for any mishaps *MAKE NANDROID BACKUP*
Make CWM backup
Wipe data and cache (and dalvik cache, if u want)
Flash cm 10
Flash GAAPS
Reboot
Swap sd card (refer above)
Boot into cwm
Backups and restore > Advance restore > restore data
Wipe cache
Reboot
Pls tell me if it works out=)
If it doesn't jz restore ur backup..
P.s. If some apps FC or have problems after this method, try uninstall and reinstall.
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MDT ...
The apks aren't working because when you did the swap you broke the "file paths" (to use windows terminology).... in other words, the phone OS was unable to locate the apk code/file where it expected to find it and the apk force closing/not working was the end result.
Have you undone the swap and found that everything now works?....
If that's the case, then there's no need to reflash. All you need to do is use an app like Gemini app manager to move all your apps to internal phone storage, then apply the swap and finally use Gemini again to move your apps back to your (now swapped) SD card....it's what I do, and it works perfectly every time.....
Sent from my CM10 powered Wonder with Tapatalk 2......it's all good......

keithross39 said:
MDT ...
The apks aren't working because when you did the swap you broke the "file paths" (to use windows terminology).... in other words, the phone OS was unable to locate the apk code/file where it expected to find it and the apk force closing/not working was the end result.
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Clear, thanks.
keithross39 said:
Have you undone the swap and found that everything now works?....
If that's the case, then there's no need to reflash. All you need to do is use an app like Gemini app manager to move all your apps to internal phone storage, then apply the swap and finally use Gemini again to move your apps back to your (now swapped) SD card....it's what I do, and it works perfectly every time.....
Sent from my CM10 powered Wonder with Tapatalk 2......it's all good......
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Correct: undoing the swap, everything works fine again.
You're right: I can confirm that the apps that the OS does not find - after the swapping - are those now on my SDCARD memory (moved via App2SD).
I had forgotten about these, sorry!
So I assume that following your suggestion, these apps will work after the swapping.
Nevertheless, Apollo - which is NOT on my sdcard - after the swapping FC, whereas it works flawlessly in "normal" (not swapped) environment... any idea how to solve that?
Tx a lot.

[.::MDT::.] said:
Clear, thanks.
So I assume that following your suggestion, these apps will work after the swapping.
Nevertheless, Apollo - which is NOT on my sdcard - after the swapping FC, whereas it works flawlessly in "normal" (not swapped) environment... any idea how to solve that?
Tx a lot.
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Yes, doing the move "post swap" with Gemini will work and has worked several times for me....
As for Apollo, I'm afraid I can't help there......I don't use it, I've frozen it in favour of Google Play Music which I downloaded from a link on XDA.
There are some apps which I keep on phone storage no matter what.... apps which I guess are used during start up.....apps like trebuchet, any themes you might have installed (and are using) and any security apps...(anti virus, permissions managers... that sort of thing).....the reason being that the phone performs a media scan at every startup, and the SD card is always the last storage volume to be mounted and scanned, so if there are any apps stored there that are needed during startup, the phone won't be able to access them until the Mount and scan has been performed......(remember I mentioned about file paths in my previous reply.....same principal applies)
Edit...just had a thought about Apollo, there are *some* apps that will only work if installed in phone memory....Gemini app manager is one of them.....maybe Apollo is another?....just a guess...
Edit 2....just had a similar problem with Google play music....to begin with, I had it in phone memory, then I moved it to SD card and suddenly the "widget" for it stopped working and the playlists I'd created were all empty.....moved it back and no issues other than the fact I had to re create the playlists.....
Sent from my CM10 powered Wonder with Tapatalk 2......it's all good......

BTW...here's the link for Google play music...
http://db.tt/ZMQZBzjz
Sent from my CM10 powered Wonder with Tapatalk 2......it's all good......

keithross39 said:
Yes, doing the move "post swap" with Gemini will work and has worked several times for me....
As for Apollo, I'm afraid I can't help there......I don't use it, I've frozen it in favour of Google Play Music which I downloaded from a link on XDA.
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OK... does Google Play Music fully replace Apollo, i.e. can u you use GPM even for your (offline) mp3s?
I thought it was only for listening to music while connected, or for buying new mp3 tracks...
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There are some apps which I keep on phone storage no matter what.... apps which I guess are used during start up.....apps like trebuchet, any themes you might have installed (and are using) and any security apps...(anti virus, permissions managers... that sort of thing).....the reason being that the phone performs a media scan at every startup, and the SD card is always the last storage volume to be mounted and scanned, so if there are any apps stored there that are needed during startup, the phone won't be able to access them until the Mount and scan has been performed......(remember I mentioned about file paths in my previous reply.....same principal applies)
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Yes I know, but imho it's not a problem waiting those 10 seconds for the SD to be read... every time you reboot your phone (very rarely in my case, like 2-3 times a week).
My policy anyway is to keep everything on phone storage, if possible, and move things to SD when the space is finishing.
keithross39 said:
Edit...just had a thought about Apollo, there are *some* apps that will only work if installed in phone memory....Gemini app manager is one of them.....maybe Apollo is another?....just a guess...
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OK, fair enough, but I did not move Apollo to SD card, so even after the swap it should be in the phone memory and runs flawlessly... I don't understand!
keithross39 said:
Edit 2....just had a similar problem with Google play music....to begin with, I had it in phone memory, then I moved it to SD card and suddenly the "widget" for it stopped working and the playlists I'd created were all empty.....moved it back and no issues other than the fact I had to re create the playlists.....
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Yes, I think for using widgets you need to have apps in phone memory, if I remember correctly.
keithross39 said:
BTW...here's the link for Google play music...
http://db.tt/ZMQZBzjz
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Thanks!

[.::MDT::.] said:
OK... does Google Play Music fully replace Apollo, i.e. can u you use GPM even for your (offline) mp3s?
I thought it was only for listening to music while connected, or for buying new mp3 tracks...
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Yes.
No.
[.::MDT::.] said:
OK, fair enough, but I did not move Apollo to SD card, so even after the swap it should be in the phone memory and runs flawlessly... I don't understand!
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There's a folder called /mnt/sdcard/android/data
If you swap the SDcards, that folder becomes 'shifted' to /mnt/external-sd/android/data.
Apollo dies.
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Yes, I think for using widgets you need to have apps in phone memory, if I remember correctly.
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True. Unless you symlink your apps into SDcard.

pepoluan said:
There's a folder called /mnt/sdcard/android/data
If you swap the SDcards, that folder becomes 'shifted' to /mnt/external-sd/android/data.
Apollo dies.
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Thanks for the info.
So, are you basically saying, there is no way of making Apollo work if you swap your int/sdcard memory?

[.::MDT::.] said:
Thanks for the info.
So, are you basically saying, there is no way of making Apollo work if you swap your int/sdcard memory?
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Swap before you run Apollo for the first time.
If you've run Apollo before, try Clear Data before.

[.::MDT::.] said:
Thanks for the info.
So, are you basically saying, there is no way of making Apollo work if you swap your int/sdcard memory?
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Apollo working find after swap. Yeah lik Pep said, just wipe data..
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[Q] Where is the File Manager?

Am I missing something? or is there no preinstalled File Manager?
Preinstalled apps, and google apps are the only apps allowed to write/edit to the miceSD card, so why wouldn't HTC install one?
Already regretting getting this phone, since I download a Lot of work files via my phone, and now I'm unable to move them from the downloads folder to the proper folder on the microSD.

Just downloaded one from Google play, loads to choose from.
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UberSlackr said:
Am I missing something? or is there no preinstalled File Manager?
Preinstalled apps, and google apps are the only apps allowed to write/edit to the miceSD card, so why wouldn't HTC install one?
Already regretting getting this phone, since I download a Lot of work files via my phone, and now I'm unable to move them from the downloads folder to the proper folder on the microSD.
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https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.estrongs.android.pop&hl=en_GB
this is the best one on the market never use stock file mangers always this one

jonny68 said:
Just downloaded one from Google play, loads to choose from.
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The ones I've installed won't let me delete files or move anything to them...

jaythenut said:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.estrongs.android.pop&hl=en_GB
this is the best one on the market never use stock file mangers always this one
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Will try... Thanks for the suggestion.

jaythenut said:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.estrongs.android.pop&hl=en_GB
this is the best one on the market never use stock file mangers always this one
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Well I tried it, but that app, just like all the other ones on the play store do not let you move files from the phone memory to the microSD.
It won't let you Delete anything either...
All you can do is view the microSD. No writes can be made to it.
Android 4.4 won't let the apps do that anymore. (Unless rooted)

UberSlackr said:
Android 4.4 won't let the apps do that anymore. (Unless rooted)
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Then no other File Manager can do it either (without root). Can you delete files when connected to a PC?

EddyOS said:
Then no other File Manager can do it either (without root). Can you delete files when connected to a PC?
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Yes the files on the microSD can be altered via the PC. But apps like airDroid won't work anymore.
Working all the go, I don't have time to stop to plug the phone up to the computer every time I need to move/rename/delete a file.

UberSlackr said:
Yes the files on the microSD can be altered via the PC. But apps like airDroid won't work anymore.
Working all the go, I don't have time to stop to plug the phone up to the computer every time I need to move/rename/delete a file.
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same boat here. I copy via USB2go all the time on my Note 3, and this is crippled for the M8. There's a work around, but you need to unlock the boot loader first, which for me is a pain, since it will reset the phone. I'm pretty OCD and it takes me some time to set everything up the way I like it. At this point, i'm just doing the PC transfer thing.

Upload the files to Google drive and then download to your memory card?
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clax6 said:
Upload the files to Google drive and then download to your memory card?
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Google Drive saves any downloaded files to the internal memory, under the download folder. And there is no way to change where its saved to (that I know of)
It was just a poor choice of Google to disallow 3rd Party Apps from emaking changes to the external memory. They should have atleast
Made it a requirement for the manufacturer to include a file manager. Or Google them self should have. I understand they trying to push people to use Google Drive, but until data usage is free I won't used Google Drive to save nothing more than Google docs.

UberSlackr said:
Google Drive saves any downloaded files to the internal memory, under the download folder. And there is no way to change where its saved to (that I know of)
It was just a poor choice of Google to disallow 3rd Party Apps from emaking changes to the external memory. They should have atleast
Made it a requirement for the manufacturer to include a file manager. Or Google them self should have. I understand they trying to push people to use Google Drive, but until data usage is free I won't used Google Drive to save nothing more than Google docs.
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A google backed file manager with full write permissions would be awesome, but that would be going against what they are trying to accomplish.