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2 weeks and is broken!

2 weeks and is broken!
I had this thing for not more that 2 weeks and the speaker is broken
T-mobile is sending replacement tomorrow, but this is disappointing from HTC
Only this time i will put screen protector from day one.... the screen is not exactly scratch resistant.
If we add the battery performance andddd this is not exactly Desire

How'd you break it?

I work in mobile sales and deal with people like you on a daily basis, "i've only had it 2 weeks and its all scratched/part A broken/ its really slow/ battery life rubbish" I have had my desire for nearly 2 months with no scratches, the screen is as scratch resistant as most touch devices - as in don't stick it somewhere its gonna get scratched- pockets with keys - and you'll be fine. Try and remember how much these devices cost and treat them with respect. If your unfamiliar with Android/smartphones/computers then don't complain if it doesn't work as you'd expect as you have no knowledge or experience to base it on and have more than likely done something wrong, lastly battery life on all touch devices is poor when compared to older mobiles - WE ALL KNOW THIS BY NOW!! - learn how to use power management features and apps such as juice defender, be aware that lithium ion battery life will improve within the first month if used properly and finally if you don't know these things then USE GOOGLE FFS!! This is a forum for android general discussions not to pointlessly whine when you can't look after your own phone! END OF RANT
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It's all scratched up and broken after only two weeks? Unless you work in construction or something you REALLY need to learn how to treat your devices or stick to something more play school. It's an expensive high tech device, it's not a rubber coated brick. It's a small computer with a 3.7 inch GLASS screen... learn how to treat it.

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Try and remember how much these devices cost and treat them with respect.
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This.
People are the same with laptops.. just because its portable it doesn't mean its not a fragile bit of modern tech.

Did I miss something in HTC's advertising? Where does it say its scratch resistant?
And you have had it 2 weeks, the battery should only just be starting to reach its peak performance.
I don't wish to appear cynical but all your statements point to the fact that you don't look after your phone and have limited knowledge about it, I'm not surprised your speaker has broken. Count yourself really lucky HTC are giving you a second chance.

Lol.. lucky their speaker broke, that sounds like a genuine fault.
I have to admit I think the speaker is of bad quality. Bloody built in obsolescence imo

Lucky you are getting a replacement.
Mine has dust under the screen, this is not something I could have done myself, not that amount of dust in that specific place after 2 weeks (I've had the phone longer but it's been there for 2 weeks).
T-Mobile wont do anything, even though the Nexus One has the same issue.

CarpeDiemsNuts said:
I work in mobile sales and deal with people like you on a daily basis, "i've only had it 2 weeks and its all scratched/part A broken/ its really slow/ battery life rubbish" I have had my desire for nearly 2 months with no scratches, the screen is as scratch resistant as most touch devices - as in don't stick it somewhere its gonna get scratched- pockets with keys - and you'll be fine. Try and remember how much these devices cost and treat them with respect. If your unfamiliar with Android/smartphones/computers then don't complain if it doesn't work as you'd expect as you have no knowledge or experience to base it on and have more than likely done something wrong, lastly battery life on all touch devices is poor when compared to older mobiles - WE ALL KNOW THIS BY NOW!! - learn how to use power management features and apps such as juice defender, be aware that lithium ion battery life will improve within the first month if used properly and finally if you don't know these things then USE GOOGLE FFS!! This is a forum for android general discussions not to pointlessly whine when you can't look after your own phone! END OF RANT
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oursoul said:
This.
People are the same with laptops.. just because its portable it doesn't mean its not a fragile bit of modern tech.
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Whiterin said:
It's all scratched up and broken after only two weeks? Unless you work in construction or something you REALLY need to learn how to treat your devices or stick to something more play school. It's an expensive high tech device, it's not a rubber coated brick. It's a small computer with a 3.7 inch GLASS screen... learn how to treat it.
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Agreed to all.
I have had iPhones, HTC HD2, Hero etc and never scratched one of them. I don't use screen protectors or cases, I don't need them as I put the phones in my pocket without my keys in that pocket. My left one is for my phone, my right for everything else.
Unless you have had a dodgy unit that is made of plastic, I'd have to say its probably down to how you are storing it!
Good luck with your second one

Hmm interesting replies...
I was driving from work and my sat nav suddenly went muted ant that’s it. When i shake the device the speaker works on and off... so for me this is dodgy speaker
About the scratches... Its only one tiny scratch caused by my PLASTIC button on my pocket ...

Could be anything, a bit of sand in your pocket and you're screen is full of scratches. Pouch and screen protector all the way! Or pay around 400 euro's (directly or indirectly) and don't care what happens to those 400 euro's.
Anyway, there are always devices that can have some problems like a broken speaker or something.
Try reading a forum about whatever device, and there are always the same 'stories' like yours. Maybe it's because we're promised perfection which is impossible. But perhaps it's we all want to have perfection and don't know that's impossible anymore. But! There is a reason warranty exists... sometimes things break. No matter what product.

Settling Liquid Armor vs Liquid Defender vs Liquid Glass Once and for all

I had been searching the forums \ internet for two days, and I could not get any answer on how good the companies Claim is.
does it Really protect, is it a Placebo etc etc?
so how about this:
1- buy Phone Screen digitzer only.
2- get multiple product and apply them on sections of the glass, with one part without any substance.
3- let them dry.
4- Test across and check which one does a better job, or if it does better than bare screen.
only problem in the plan is that it requires money:
so I can setup donation account just up to the value of those materials.
or even get sample from people who have some (it does not need to cover whole screen, only partial).
alternatively if high feedback user wants to do this instead, I can start by donating to him.
this experiment need to be unbiased, controlled, and well thought of. i.e. no companies donating products, or people defending what they bought.
also this experiment will not be only helpfull to the current gen product, it would help in the future.
ideally an article written on the main site etc to cover all aspects.
if this is against the rules then I am happy to delete the post.

Both are as useless. Wipe water on your screen to obtain the same effect.

wilsonlam97 said:
Both are as useless. Wipe water on your screen to obtain the same effect.
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have you try it, I find it hard to bielive that such thing exist too.
however I know for sure that it does repel liquid, and prevent it sticking to the glass, which implies that it DOES create a layer on top of the glass.
and by the way I am not talking drop test here, its more of day to day usage in the pocket

You might also want to try and compare these products to Rain-X. it puts a thin layer of wax over glass....most likely a similar product.

Settling Liquid Armor vs Liquid Defender vs Liquid Glass Once and for all

I had been searching the forums \ internet for two days, and I could not get any answer on how good the companies Claim is.
I even posted the same thing on nexus thread and it had fallen on deaf ears!
the question is does those products REALLY protect, how much protection? is it a Placebo etc etc?
so how about this:
1- I will buy Phone Screen digitzer only.
2- get multiple product and apply them on sections of the glass, with one part without any substance.
3- let them dry.
4- Test across and check which one does a better job, or if it does better job than bare screen.
only problem in the plan is that it requires money:
so I can setup donation account just up to the value of those materials.
or even get sample from people who have some (it does not need to cover whole screen, only partial).
alternatively if high feedback user wants to do this instead, I can start by donating to him.
this experiment need to be unbiased, controlled, and well thought of. i.e. no companies donating products, or people defending what they bought.
also this experiment will not be only helpfull to the current gen product, it would help in the future phones that you would buy
ideally an article written on the main site etc to cover all aspects.
if this is against the rules then I am happy to delete the post.

Betavoltaic Supplementary Battery that lasts 12 years?

Hi, I searched and cannot find this topic anywhere, but I had an idea and I'm wondering if its dumb. Also not sure if this is the right place for it.
Betavoltaic batteries are batteries that use nuclear decay to generate power. They do this somewhat like solar panels, only the nuclear material is emitting beta particales, or rather, electrons. And a semiconducting material is used to collect the electrons and turn it into usable current. Right now they are looking at using them for pace maker batteries because the material they use is safe.
Tritium is the material they will use, the beta particles it emits cannot penetrate a piece of paper let alone skin so it is safe unless ingested. Tritium has a half life of 12 years, so they would be useful for at least 6 years. And they can be made small or large.
Could we use a betavoltaic battery to keep our phones charged? Now I know that it would be difficult to generate enough power to run the phone on betavoltaics alone, the output is very small, but what if we had a 500-1000mah battery tied into a betavoltaic battery that would trickle charge the battery when not in use?
Or maybe even just make a extended case like we have now, that have batteries in them, only its betavoltaic!
I'm just imagining never plugging in my phone again, just leaving on my bed stand, its charging away, and in my pocket all day long, charging away.
I LOVE this thought, if it were possible!
I know I could have explained this a lot better, but do you get the idea? Does someone who is more knowledgeable than myself have any comments or criticism as to how it would work? Could work? Or wouldn't work?
Thanks for your time,
-Tom
EDIT: looking closer at THIS source I listed, I realized a company already had the idea for this battery for use in cell phones. But their website is down :/
Some sources: http://peswiki.com/energy/PowerPedia:Beta_voltaic
http://peswiki.com/energy/Directory:BetaVoltaics
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Betavoltaics

I know it is long but please read everything before replying
Initially, the idea sounds extremely dangerous. What if the battery is opened or falls apart and the nuclear substance falls out? You will have to quarantine the area. Looking deeper, when a substance undergoes nuclear decay, it releases a range of three things: alpha, beta and gamma. These things are quite dangerous. You mentioned beta, which is identical to an electron. If this is fired at you, it could ionize an atom in your body and this can lead to a range of things like death, prolonged critical illness etc.
You are wrong about the tritium part. All substances give off three ranges of things like I mentioned. Beta will always penetrate through a lot of things. It is alpha that won't. You may have confused the two. Alpha was the substance used to kill the Russian ambassador a while back. He ingested it and died. And it cannot be traced since it is distributed by the digestive system and cannot penetrate so cannot be detected outside the body.
Theoretically, the idea is fullproof. But it doesn't seem practical AT THE MOMENT. Maybe later on. I assume they are still working on the idea. I mean, they are working on wireless charging for gawd sake. It won't be long since this concept is a reality.
Thankyou very much for the post Tom. It feels great to reaccess the science I learnt in school. Please do not be offended by the "YOU ARE WRONG" part. Only trying to help you to improve. You may want to research into the science first. I just get a bit picky at these sort of things. After having a quick look over my stuff I could spot a few errors.
You were unlucky to get someone like me to reply with my nerdy science
Never thought I would discuss this in an Android forum though.
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Thank you very much for your reply, I did not realize there was so much to it! I'm mobile right now, but I will respond more fully when I get home tonight. I'm not offended at all, I'm glad someone more knowledgeable can explain it to me and others who might search for the same question.
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What a load of bull.. misinformation and paranoia. Let's start from the top.
Deftone said:
What if the battery is opened or falls apart and the nuclear substance falls out?
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It's quite easy to enclose battery (or at least radioactive part) in such a way that it's at least very hard compromise the shielding. Full metal casing and you are done.
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You will have to quarantine the area.
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Another false statement. It's not a nuclear fallout from A-bomb or powerplant-gone-wrong that spreads with the wind. It's usually solid piece of material, I can't imagine anyone building battery with amount of radioactive material that needed more than couple of meters to be safe. Tritium is a gas (isotope of hydrogen) and if released would quickly dissipate and be harmless. You can buy keychains filled with tritium so they glow.
Deftone said:
Looking deeper, when a substance undergoes nuclear decay, it releases a range of three things: alpha, beta and gamma. These things are quite dangerous. You mentioned beta, which is identical to an electron. If this is fired at you, it could ionize an atom in your body and this can lead to a range of things like death, prolonged critical illness etc. You are wrong about the tritium part. All substances give off three ranges of things like I mentioned. Beta will always penetrate through a lot of things. It is alpha that won't. You may have confused the two.
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When substance undergoes decay it CAN release ONE OR MORE of the three types of radiation you mentioned. Not all nuclear decay processes produces all three.
Alpha particle is helium nucleus, that is two protons and two neutrons
Beta particle IS an electron
Gamma is high energy photon
There is also (often ignored but no less dangerous) neutron radiation (stream of neutrons)
While you are right that it COULD ionize an atom in body, that's no big deal. If it damages DNA it has CHANCE of causing some form of cancer. Other than that worst case scenario is that affected cell dies and is replaced by another. Of course if radiation intensity is high enough it can cause radiation poisoning, but again I don't believe anyone would build battery that would contain enough radioactive material to cause that unless eaten.
YOU are wrong about the tritium. It can't produce alpha radiation since one alpha particle is bigger than entire tritium atom. Only things that tritium produces during its natural decay (not to be mistaken with forced fussion like in hydrogen bomb) is Helium-3 ion, electron (beta radiation) and antyneutrino which is harmless since it almost does not interact with normal matter.
Deftone said:
Alpha was the substance used to kill the Russian ambassador a while back. He ingested it and died. And it cannot be traced since it is distributed by the digestive system and cannot penetrate so cannot be detected outside the body.
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I'm assuming that you are refering to poisoning of Alexander Litvinenko, KGB agent that fled to UK? He wasn't killed by some "alpha substance" but by polonium-210, radioactive isotope. It can be quite easily traced since investigators of the case discovered who brought it to UK, where and when it was produced and where it was given to target. On the other hand it's true that it's quite hard to diagnose. Half-life of polonium is about 140 days, so it's a lot more active than tritium that has 12 year half life.
Deftone said:
Theoretically, the idea is fullproof. But it doesn't seem practical AT THE MOMENT. Maybe later on. I assume they are still working on the idea. I mean, they are working on wireless charging for gawd sake. It won't be long since this concept is a reality.
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This concept is a reality for a long time now. Nuclear batteries (betavoltaic ones) are in service since 1973 in peacemakers. The only problem is that they have very low output and efficiency.
Deftone said:
Thankyou very much for the post Tom. It feels great to reaccess the science I learnt in school. (I am actually still using this level of science in university). Please do not be offended by the "YOU ARE WRONG" part. Only trying to help you to improve. You may want to research into the science first. I just get a bit picky at these sort of things.
You were unlucky to get someone like me to reply with my nerdy science
Never thought I would discuss this in an Android forum though.
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I suggest that you sue your school if that's where you learned this. It's quite amusing how you go on about researching the science before posting when you clearly didn't do it yourself.

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Sorry about flaming, but I'm a bit alergic to people using false or inaccurate information to scare people away from nuclear technology.
For low energy beta sources like mentioned tritium lead isn't necessary. Couple milimeters of aluminium is enough.
As for authorities wanting to remove uranium I'm holding - I would like them to remove it. But it wouldn't require bomb squad, just a guy with tongs and shielded container. If such batteries started being mass produced there would have to be provided a way for user to dispose of it safely so that it doesn't end up on landfill. But since there are (at least here in Poland, or rather EU) trashcans specifically for bateries, only some mechanism forcing people to use them would be needed.
The fact that current nuclear batteries are too weak to be practical in mobile devices (or would contain too much radioactive material to be safe if made big enough) doesn't defeat my point at all. I wasn't trying to prove that this is fantastic solution - It's not. I would rather have nuclear reactor in my basement (I read something about Toshiba making self contained nuclear reactors that didn't need servicing, they would only replace whole unit after about five years) and charge my lithium batteries from that. I was just pointing out how much you overreacted about potential risks.
The only two types of nuclear batteries that would be as unsafe as you say are:
thermoelectric batteries (ball of plutonium heating itself up and thermocouples producing energy from that head - Curiosity rover has 4kg of plutonium dioxide providing it with 2kW of power, most deep space probes are powered this way, even some satelites), since they contain big amounts of radioactive materials
optoelectric batteries that contain it's radioactive material in form of fine dust suspended in gas under high pressure - if container would be punctured high velocity jet of this radioactive dust causing contamination. While this type of power generation is more efficient than betavoltaics they are deemed too unsafe to be used anywhere but in space.

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So we are going to have small Chernobyl in our phones? Cant wait for it :d
Sent from my Sony Xperia S rocking JB
POOOOOLSKAAAAA BIALO CZERWONIIII!!!

Very bad idea. Too costly, too dangerous, not enough power. Maybe viable for sat phones for expeditions, but not much else.

General FOLD 3 does not open all the way

Just faced a problem with my fold 3 that it did not open all thr way.. it got Stuck half way and didn't open to 180° Flat. Probably there was something hindering the gears inside the hinge.. but it was horrible experience though..
But thanks to service centre, the phone was just under warranty and they replaced the panel without any cost..
Things to check :
1. 3rd party body protectors are using some adhesives which gets into the hinge and creates these problems, DO NOT USE ANY HINGE MEMBRANE / PROTECTORS.
2. Please keep the phone out of the pocket when you sit.
3. Some trousers pockets are not at a friendly with the folds.. their fibres are getting inside the hinge.
4. Some people are observing some kind of transparent plastic coming out of hinge, which they forgot to remove when they bought the phone.
Take care of such a lovely device..!!

Yay. Good for you! Samsung tech support is less than ideal, you did well.
I have flip phones, 2 Casio Boss's, multiple laptops and never had a hinge jam or fail in over 3 decades. Samsung overstepped the physical limits of materials technology with the Fold series. The results are a high failure rate of multiple components in these phones. The display is the most likely to fail, but hinge issues continue to haunt the Fold's. Samsung couldn't even get a well known, decades old technology right on these phones.
I have 5 Samsung phones, the oldest is 10 yo, none ever had to be replaced due to a hardware failure and they all still work. This Note 10+ has over 8k hours on it; looks, feels and runs like new. For over a grand price tag you deserve a well designed and built flagship, not an experimental prototype batch run. Samsung, shame on you.

Yah man.. you are darn right.. these phones are way too costly to be an experimental phones.. I too thought the 3rd gen seems good to go for as it had some kind of water resistance too..
But these devices with moving components should be handled well.. cannot exploit these as other candy bar design premium devices can be..
Thats why I thought to at least inform what I went through and if people take care they will not have these problems..

mad13maddy said:
Yah man.. you are darn right.. these phones are way too costly to be an experimental phones.. I too thought the 3rd gen seems good to go for as it had some kind of water resistance too..
But these devices with moving components should be handled well.. cannot exploit these as other candy bar design premium devices can be..
Thats why I thought to at least inform what I went through and if people take care they will not have these problems..
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It's sad because Samsung is capable of designing and manufacturing a premium flagship. They invested heavily in the Fold technology but I don't think the plastics/adhesive systems available today are up to the demands of their Fold designs. Not sure why they are choking on the hinge part of the design though as that technology is not new at all.
For 3 years Samsung has yet to produce a better flagship than the N10+, in my opinion it is Samsung's zenith. A beautiful, well balanced work horse. That left me with nothing to buy so I got another new N10+, twins, and a backup.
The original one just keeps flawlessly ticking, only repair has been a replacement battery, due for its second one. Current OS load is over 2yo, still running Pie; that's what Android's are capable of. Security is not an issue.
All too often Android's miss the longevity mark partially because of the user error of upgrading/updating when it's not neccessary. Latter upgrades tend to break Samsung's, lol it's a tradition.
Google is like a meth head on a 3 day binge telling you that you need to constantly upgrade/update. Not. Google is part of the problem...