I have rooted my S4 Mini so I could move apps into the SD Card and remove bloatware.
Samsung and my Operator have just put so much bloatware that is impossible to remove them without flashing a Custom ROM.
Now I am still rooted, and I still have the stock recovery and ROM. My questions are:
1) Which ROM is more stable/aosp? Cyanogenmod (10.2 ?) or SlimKaT ROM?
2) Can I install a custom ROM withthe stock Recovery? Is it recommended?
3) Any guides available that will help me do it, (given that I am ALREADY rooted and with stock rom?)
Thanks
alrosh7 said:
I have rooted my S4 Mini so I could move apps into the SD Card and remove bloatware.
Samsung and my Operator have just put so much bloatware that is impossible to remove them without flashing a Custom ROM.
Now I am still rooted, and I still have the stock recovery and ROM. My questions are:
1) Which ROM is more stable/aosp? Cyanogenmod (10.2 ?) or SlimKaT ROM?
2) Can I install a custom ROM withthe stock Recovery? Is it recommended?
3) Any guides available that will help me do it, (given that I am ALREADY rooted and with stock rom?)
Thanks
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1. This a a very subjective matter that get asked over and over again. You got to have to try it for yourself. Slimrom is by far, the only ROM with the least pre-installed app.
2) You can't install a custom ROM with stock recovery.
3) Since you didn't mention which method you use to ROOT (as few rooting method will install CWM for you), the first thing you need to do if to check if you have custom recovery. Some root method such as SafeRoot don't allow this operation (again you need to clarify). The easiest way is to install CWM is via ROM Manager from the Play store: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.koushikdutta.rommanager which the app will install CWM for you. Note that this will trigger Knox if you phone is protected by it.
alrosh7 said:
I have rooted my S4 Mini so I could move apps into the SD Card and remove bloatware.
Samsung and my Operator have just put so much bloatware that is impossible to remove them without flashing a Custom ROM.
Now I am still rooted, and I still have the stock recovery and ROM. My questions are:
1) Which ROM is more stable/aosp? Cyanogenmod (10.2 ?) or SlimKaT ROM?
2) Can I install a custom ROM withthe stock Recovery? Is it recommended?
3) Any guides available that will help me do it, (given that I am ALREADY rooted and with stock rom?)
Thanks
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first of all please specify ur model .. we have here 3 types .. lte model i9195 , dual sim model which i have i9192 and the single sim i9190
..thing is if you have an i9192 we dont have any aosp/cm/aokp for them as these roms require single sim and radio drivers doesnt get ported easily
... secondly u MUST CHECK if u have a knox bootloader or not ... if u dont know knox .. its just a flag in download mode "0x0" if u attempt to flash any bootloader in the phone throught odin even .. it turns "0x1" and IT CANNOT BE 0X0 AGAIN !! ..this voids the warrenty if u have of if its a job's phone u will face problems ...if u dont have "knox void warrenty" sentence in the download mode u are lucky and BE CAREFUL of flashing bootloaders .. in this case avoid flashing any new stock firmwares because they have knox .. remove knox from a guide here and then flash :highfive: ... thirdly as far as i know cm/aosp based roms here are stable but as usual they are not that good in camera and they are only avilable for i9190/i9195 ... u cant install a custom rom from stock recovery ..stock recovey flashes ONLY signed samsung zips "upgrade packages"
... 4th search by yourself xda is full of guides and here in s4 mini forum we have almost all needed guides :highfive: ... sorry for writing alot but when u asked about installing a custom rom with stock recovery is a "newbie" question so i thought to tell u everything
Thank for the helps guys.
First of all ROM Manager does not support my phone . I says that it can not find a suitable Recovery to install.
My model is i9195.
My Knox warannty is not valid anymore (It says warranty bit not found).
Also, I found this guide http://www.s4miniarchive.com/2013/08/how-to-root-samsung-galaxy-s4-mini-gt.html
but I do not want to install the custom kernel. Will it be ok to skip the first step and just flash the Recovery?
alrosh7 said:
Thank for the helps guys.
First of all ROM Manager does not support my phone . I says that it can not find a suitable Recovery to install.
My model is i9195.
My Knox warannty is not valid anymore (It says warranty bit not found).
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alrosh7 said:
Also, I found this guide http://www.s4miniarchive.com/2013/08/how-to-root-samsung-galaxy-s4-mini-gt.html
but I do not want to install the custom kernel. Will it be ok to skip the first step and just flash the Recovery?
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Hmm, odd. I thought I did my CWM by ROM Manager. Any case just do this: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2364980
Do step 2-6 and you will have CWM.
PS. I'm not sure why you worry about the custom kernel, if you going to use custom ROM, it will have a custom kernel.
TNCS said:
Hmm, odd. I thought I did my CWM by ROM Manager. Any case just do this: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2364980
Do step 2-6 and you will have CWM.
PS. I'm not sure why you worry about the custom kernel, if you going to use custom ROM, it will have a custom kernel.
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The reason is that I want to avoid using a custom kernel is because I read that some of them are 'insecure'.
Anyway, I will give it a try (steps 2-6) and see if it works.
Thanks
whoa whoa easy .. just flash philz recovery tar file through odin hereeee your device name is "serranoltexx" the i9195 ..rom manger isnt supported for us ithink ..enjoy
rrgrrg said:
whoa whoa easy .. just flash philz recovery tar file through odin hereeee your device name is "serranoltexx" the i9195 ..rom manger isnt supported for us ithink ..enjoy
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"whoa whoa easy" ? What do you mean ? Which methods is more safe?
alrosh7 said:
"whoa whoa easy" ? What do you mean ? Which methods is more safe?
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They both are, it up to your preference on which custom recovery you going for. The steps will be the same.
alrosh7 said:
"whoa whoa easy" ? What do you mean ? Which methods is more safe?
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there is no more safe u r already passed the danger zone by rooting :silly: .. back on topic .. they are the same but philz is the "best" IMO so i reccomend it for ya
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hello every body
is there a .ftf file with root and cwm in it ?
i need it because every time i try a rom and have a no boot i need to flash a stock rom and root it and install cwm w then i can try again with another rom so is there a prerooted ftf file with cwm preinstalled ?? or is there a shorter way ??
sorry about my bad english (it is not my first language)
AW: ftf with root and cwm
ash-ta said:
hello every body
is there a .ftf file with root and cwm in it ?
i need it because every time i try a rom and have a no boot i need to flash a stock rom and root it and install cwm w then i can try again with another rom so is there a prerooted ftf file with cwm preinstalled ?? or is there a shorter way ??
sorry about my bad english (it is not my first language)
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that was also my first question on xda, good old times...
No, it's not possible, ftf. files can only be made by Sony, so you've got to do always the same prodecure for flashing, rooting,....
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Master of Bisaster said:
that was also my first question on xda, good old times...
No, it's not possible, ftf. files can only be made by Sony, so you've got to do always the same prodecure for flashing, rooting,....
Sent from my LT18i using xda app-developers app
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thank you so much for your answer
so i think i will keep doing that long thing again and again
That's a really tedious procedure you're following. When I try a custom ROM and don't like it, all I do is:
1) If switching between an ICS ROM and a JB ROM and vice versa, reflash the kernel, then reflash the ROM.
2) If moving from one ICS ROM to another, or one JB ROM to another, just reflash the ROM.
3) If moving from ICS/JB to GB or vice versa, flash the stock ROM, flash the kernel, and then flash the custom ROM.
You don't need to keep on flashing the stock ROM, rooting it, installing CWM, then installing the custom ROM. Kernels, as far as I know, usually come with recovery installed. If you're in a bootloop, just follow the pertinent steps from the list outlined above.
MarcSinger said:
That's a really tedious procedure you're following. When I try a custom ROM and don't like it, all I do is:
1) If switching between an ICS ROM and a JB ROM and vice versa, reflash the kernel, then reflash the ROM.
2) If moving from one ICS ROM to another, or one JB ROM to another, just reflash the ROM.
3) If moving from ICS/JB to GB or vice versa, flash the stock ROM, flash the kernel, and then flash the custom ROM.
You don't need to keep on flashing the stock ROM, rooting it, installing CWM, then installing the custom ROM. Kernels, as far as I know, usually come with recovery installed. If you're in a bootloop, just follow the pertinent steps from the list outlined above.
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that is rghit but the problem is i need the cwm for flashing the new rom and i have no boot (just sony logo) i cant enter the cwm so i find that i need to reinstall the cwm and try again
if i say any thing wrong please correct it to me maybe you teach me some thing that is new to me
ash-ta said:
maybe you teach me some thing that is new to me
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Go read the stickys, get some basic knowledge and learn something for yourself, then ask questions about what you don't fully understand, on an existing thread that you found while Googling.
bootloader locked or unlocked because it sounds like you have a locked bootloader, if it is unlocked then why dont you flash a kernel eg. kernel rush with CWM already on it ?
ash-ta said:
that is rghit but the problem is i need the cwm for flashing the new rom and i have no boot (just sony logo) i cant enter the cwm so i find that i need to reinstall the cwm and try again
if i say any thing wrong please correct it to me maybe you teach me some thing that is new to me
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You don't need to install CWM again, even if you're in a boot loop. Once the phone reboots, keep pressing the "down" volume rocker, as you always do, and you'll enter into recovery. If you're moving to a different Android version (for example, ICS to JB), switch off your phone and flash the appropriate kernel. Then all you need to do is reflash your previous ROM or flash any other ROM that you want. However, that's only possible if you've download your previous and/or other ROMs onto your SD card, too. Do you do that before you flash?
I don't have any experience with locked bootloaders, but the user above IS of the opinion that you might be on one. If that's the reason you're having to go through so many steps to flash a ROM, why don't you try unlocking the bootloader of your phone? I'm more than certain your phone's not covered under warranty anymore, and unlocking the bootloader is definitely not going to fry your phone or anything of the sort.
My n7100 is stock updated 2-3 days back ota of file size about 50 mb
now its 4.1.2
i want to root but cant find any specific way please help me out
and basically iam not sure which method and which files
thanks
Khixar27 said:
My n7100 is stock updated 2-3 days back ota of file size about 50 mb
now its 4.1.2
i want to root but cant find any specific way please help me out
and basically iam not sure which method and which files
thanks
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well insatll custom philz and flash super su done!check original dev thread
Khixar27 said:
My n7100 is stock updated 2-3 days back ota of file size about 50 mb
now its 4.1.2
i want to root but cant find any specific way please help me out
and basically iam not sure which method and which files
thanks
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Head over to philz thread and download the latest ver(5.15.0)..flash it via odin..u have now a custom recovery installed..
PhilZ yhread has rooting method also..just follow his guide and u will find every solution
Sent from my AweSoMe ?♥Note2♥?
thanks
well thanks alot will it be easy to go unroot ??
thanks and link for the thread !!
well dont i have to do something like bootloader thig etc
ok so i downloaded file just flash it with odin
and do a nand backup ? etc
THANKS
Scared
well dont i have to do something like bootloader thig etc
ok so i downloaded file just flash it with odin
and do a nand backup ? etc
THANKS
btw which version of odin should i use ?? v1.83 or 3.07 ??
and what if it fails like it doesnt work help me out thanks
im kinda scared
Khixar27 said:
well thanks alot will it be easy to go unroot ??
thanks and link for the thread !!
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Its simple as clicking an option and reboot!
Just open supersu and click full unroot..done!
Khixar27 said:
well dont i have to do something like bootloader thig etc
ok so i downloaded file just flash it with odin
and do a nand backup ? etc
THANKS
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No.bootloader is already unlocked..and yes u should take a nandroid backup(its must for sake) using a custom recovery(philz recommended)
Sent from my AweSoMe ?♥Note2♥?
Khixar27 said:
well dont i have to do something like bootloader thig etc
ok so i downloaded file just flash it with odin
and do a nand backup ? etc
THANKS
btw which version of odin should i use ?? v1.83 or 3.07 ??
and what if it fails like it doesnt work help me out thanks
im kinda scared
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go through this thread and you can never go wrong with this http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1896696 usin latest odin
well basicllay iam reading threads since the last 3 days and stil a little confuse
btw if i flash recovery and iam currently in warranty !! it will be void what will be the method to remove recovery the root remove is no clear
and of i unroot wil i be able to update via samsung ??
thanks alot guys
well basicllay iam reading threads since the last 3 days and stil a little confuse
btw if i flash recovery and iam currently in warranty !! it will be void what will be the method to remove recovery the root remove is no clear
and of i unroot wil i be able to update via samsung ??
thanks alot guys
Khixar27 said:
well basicllay iam reading threads since the last 3 days and stil a little confuse
btw if i flash recovery and iam currently in warranty !! it will be void what will be the method to remove recovery the root remove is no clear
and of i unroot wil i be able to update via samsung ??
thanks alot guys
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removing recovery is a piece of cake flash odex stock rom using odin and use traingle away from xda to remove binary count done!
so basicllay if i want to remove recovery i flash stock rom from odin and then root it use triangle away and remove root ?
thanks alot
Hello,
What should I do to flash cwm to my phone.
Every step I follow not work! [pHIL recovery/chotu recovery/twrp].
The phone keep jump to touch wiz 4.2.2.. What I need to do? Sell it? or keep it?
My S3 just worked without this problem.. What the best solution to fix this problem?
Thx.
Did you remember to untick Auto Reboot in Odin? Are you planning to install a custom ROM?
lala458 said:
Hello,
What should I do to flash cwm to my phone.
Every step I follow not work! [pHIL recovery/chotu recovery/twrp].
The phone keep jump to touch wiz 4.2.2.. What I need to do? Sell it? or keep it?
My S3 just worked without this problem.. What the best solution to fix this problem?
Thx.
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Untick auto reboot, pull the battery then insert it, press volume up+home+power and install root package to keep cwm available
Sent from my GT-I9082 using Tapatalk
black87 said:
Untick auto reboot, pull the battery then insert it, press volume up+home+power and install root package to keep cwm available
Sent from my GT-I9082 using Tapatalk
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Well if he's planning to install a custom AOSP-based ROM then flashing a root package isn't required... correct me if I'm wrong.
naufalhadyan said:
Well if he's planning to install a custom AOSP-based ROM then flashing a root package isn't required... correct me if I'm wrong.
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Root package is just to lock cwm so it will not lost if he boot it
black87 said:
Root package is just to lock cwm so it will not lost if he boot it
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CWM is overwritten with stock recovery by the stock ROM. So if you don't have stock ROM it's kinda useless...
After flashing a custom ROM, all that's left unmodified on the device is just the bootloader... I don't think a bootloader can overwrite CWM to a stock recovery.
naufalhadyan said:
CWM is overwritten with stock recovery by the stock ROM. So if you don't have stock ROM it's kinda useless...
After flashing a custom ROM, all that's left unmodified on the device is just the bootloader... I don't think a bootloader can overwrite CWM to a stock recovery.
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but he seems not plan to install custom rom
Thanks everyone because reply my question. FYI, I just flash philz touch recovery and it worked fine. The sad is, I lost this phone last month.
Hello there,
My gf just got a Galaxy Tab 3.0 7 inch SM-T210 with Android 4.1.2.
Now i want to put a custom firmware on it like CM or anything like that.
But where to start?
Im not into Samsung and have no idea. Dont see any guide gifing with tips or so...
Can someone guide me in the right direction?
I did read about CWM and TWRP, download ODIN and flash it. But is that all?
With HTC i had to unlock bootloader first, flash boot.img etc etc.
Thanks!
Greetings!
can i help
Azerox said:
Hello there,
My gf just got a Galaxy Tab 3.0 7 inch SM-T210 with Android 4.1.2.
Now i want to put a custom firmware on it like CM or anything like that.
But where to start?
Im not into Samsung and have no idea. Dont see any guide gifing with tips or so...
Can someone guide me in the right direction?
I did read about CWM and TWRP, download ODIN and flash it. But is that all?
With HTC i had to unlock bootloader first, flash boot.img etc etc.
Thanks!
Greetings!
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hi from what im understanding ur wanting to root it and install custom firmware
here is a video i used from rootjunky to root my tablet with twrp
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BDShwBHRjUE
hope it helped
@first there is no cm for this tab. All custom roms based on stock rom or 4.2.2 port from sm-t110
There is no need to unlock bootloader like HTC. No seperate flash of Boot.img...
Install cwm or twrp recovery with Odin. Check threads for Odin install instructions. Its easy going
Cwm:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2433853
Twrp:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2653391
If you only want to root flashable ZIP for root is attached in recovery threads.
If you want to try custom roms check index thread for sm-t210 Roms.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2755532
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rbotz said:
@first there is no cm for this tab. All custom roms based on stock rom or 4.2.2 port from sm-t110
There is no need to unlock bootloader like HTC. No seperate flash of Boot.img...
Install cwm or twrp recovery with Odin. Check threads for Odin install instructions. Its easy going
Cwm:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2433853
Twrp:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2653391
If you only want to root flashable ZIP for root is attached in recovery threads.
If you want to try custom roms check index thread for sm-t210 Roms.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2755532
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Thanks, i found out how it works. Real easy.
Only problem i have now is that ALL the ROMs seem to be alot of crap.
Not working, resolution problems or FCs. And yes i use the T210 versions and no other.
Also recoverys are baaad. Lol now i know why i will never get a Samsung ... crap casing, crap software.
Azerox said:
Thanks, i found out how it works. Real easy.
Only problem i have now is that ALL the ROMs seem to be alot of crap.
Not working, resolution problems or FCs. And yes i use the T210 versions and no other.
Also recoverys are baaad. Lol now i know why i will never get a Samsung ... crap casing, crap software.
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If u would like i could upload a list of build.prop tweaks to use to improve over all performannce like image battery life wifi speed stuff like that just over all makes the tab run smoother
Azerox said:
Thanks, i found out how it works. Real easy.
Only problem i have now is that ALL the ROMs seem to be alot of crap.
Not working, resolution problems or FCs. And yes i use the T210 versions and no other.
Also recoverys are baaad. Lol now i know why i will never get a Samsung ... crap casing, crap software.
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Try looking at the specs of each ROM and compare it with yours. I am currently running S.E.A.L ROM
with the Black hawk kernel I am finding it faster than the Stock ROM and also way less bloatware.
Try this or the RocketTab Rom and Blackhawk. These tend to work the best for most SM-T210 and R.
Hello everyone, I have recently bought a galaxy s4 mini GT-I9195 and i want to flash a custom kernel like this one here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2636890 ... First, do I have to check if my bootloader is locked or unlocked? Or i just flash it via Odin rightaway? Yesterday I rooted it using CF-Auto-Root.. Please, if anyone can help me out, i would really appreciate it because i have no experience on flashing on sammy devices and i am reeally confused :crying:.. I have been searching like the WHOLE internet to find a solution but came up with nothing.. Thanks in advance :laugh:
Panos97 said:
Hello everyone, I have recently bought a galaxy s4 mini GT-I9195 and i want to flash a custom kernel like this one here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2636890 ... First, do I have to check if my bootloader is locked or unlocked? Or i just flash it via Odin rightaway? Yesterday I rooted it using CF-Auto-Root.. Please, if anyone can help me out, i would really appreciate it because i have no experience on flashing on sammy devices and i am reeally confused :crying:.. I have been searching like the WHOLE internet to find a solution but came up with nothing.. Thanks in advance :laugh:
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You must flash thru recovery.
Here the installation steps, but first you must flash a custom recovery like this or other, its up to you.
Installation instructions
- Copy f4ktion_1.4.0-xxx.zip to your SDCARD
- Reboot into CWM recovery
- Choose "Install zip from sdcard"
- Select f4ktion_1.4.0-xxx.zip kernel and confirm installation.
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R_a_z_v_a_n said:
You must flash thru recovery.
Here the installation steps, but first you must flash a custom recovery like this or other, its up to you.
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Thank you so much So all i have to do is flash the recovery in Odin.. But since my s4 mini is rooted, do i have to install the S4Mini_RootKit_V2.zip?? i mean if I do, will it conflict with the SuperSU i have previously installed on my device? Or just overwrite it and work like a charm? Sorry I'm asking like too many questions, but since i'm new here i need some guidance
Btw, how do i know if my bootloader is unlocked? Before I buy this s4 mini i owned an Xperia go and to install a kernel i had to unlock the BL.. I don't know if the same thing applies for sammy devices, just asking:angel:
Panos97 said:
Thank you so much So all i have to do is flash the recovery in Odin.. But since my s4 mini is rooted, do i have to install the S4Mini_RootKit_V2.zip?? i mean if I do, will it conflict with the SuperSU i have previously installed on my device? Or just overwrite it and work like a charm? Sorry I'm asking like too many questions, but since i'm new here i need some guidance
Btw, how do i know if my bootloader is unlocked? Before I buy this s4 mini i owned an Xperia go and to install a kernel i had to unlock the BL.. I don't know if the same thing applies for sammy devices, just asking:angel:
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No, we have bootloader unlocked, so you don't need to unlock anything.
No, try with this recovery if you afraid to not doing some conflicts:
[i919x][CWM Advanced Edition] PhilZ Touch
Download philz_touch_6.07.9-serranoltexx.tar.md5
boot into download mode
connect phone in download mode to PC via USB
press start to flash the tar.md5 package
normally, phone should auto-reboot into recovery.
If it reboots into main system and your recovery remains stock, repeat above steps and untick "autoreboot" in odin. Once flash is done, keep pressing the 3 buttons combo to for a reboot into recovery.You should see the new CWM
when in recovery, if you choose option "reboot system now" and you get "yes - disable flash recovery", select that option to avoid stock recovery overwriting cwm
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R_a_z_v_a_n said:
No, we have bootloader unlocked, so you don't need to unlock anything.
No, try with this recovery if you afraid to not doing some conflicts:
[i919x][CWM Advanced Edition] PhilZ Touch
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So after i install the philz touch recovery, can i install ths deodexed rom http://www.s4miniarchive.com/2014/04/deodexed-and-rooted-stock-for-galaxy-s4-mini.html which comes with a custom kernel (vikinger)? will there be a problem with it because the rom is based on BML1 and my current fw is BNB3? thank you very much :silly:
Panos97 said:
So after i install the philz touch recovery, can i install ths deodexed rom http://www.s4miniarchive.com/2014/04/deodexed-and-rooted-stock-for-galaxy-s4-mini.html which comes with a custom kernel (vikinger)? will there be a problem with it because the rom is based on BML1 and my current fw is BNB3? thank you very much :silly:
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Really, i don't know for sure, BUT in my previous phone (S Advance I9070) i have some errors when i flashed different baseband deodexed.
Make a nandroid backup after you have custom recovery, and you can try it. If something going wrong, restore your backup and all will just like before.
R_a_z_v_a_n said:
Really, i don't know for sure, BUT in my previous phone (S Advance I9070) i have some errors when i flashed different baseband deodexed.
Make a nandroid backup after you have custom recovery, and you can try it. If something going wrong, restore your backup and all will just like before.
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Ok then! I will try and see, maybe sometime after i try doing it, i will post here how it went.. Thank you very much for being so kind as to answering all my noob-full questions :silly: :good:
If you flash a custom recovery your device's Knox counter will be triggered to 0x1