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Ok im new so bare with me. I rooted my lg nitro for att about a week ago. All i did was remove bloatware. I also use an app to underclock it to save battery. Today i was surfing the web on the phone for about 30 mins while i had it plugged into the wall charger. The phone turned off by itself. I tried turning it back on and nothing. I let it cool down and nothing. I also took out the battery for 5 mins and tried and still no luck. I also couldn't get it to go into recovery because it wont turn on at all.
any ideas?
leave it plugged in overnight and try to boot it up in the morning?
when the phone turned off did the bottom buttons flash? I've had that happen to me just recently.
Do you think the battery messed up or the hardware?
I'll try plugging it in tonight.
And the whole thing shut off I really didn't notice the bottom lights turn on.
Thanks for the quick reply
Are you using the LG Official wall charger that came with the phone?
Unfortunately I've found that unless you're using the included charger (or one that can push 750ma or more) the Nitro can actually use MORE juice than is being provided by the Power source.
If for some reason you were using some other charger and the Nitro continued to drain down to depletion...Then the ONLY way you'll be able to start the battery charging again is to use the actual LG charger (which, I believe pushes 1,200ma) or similarly higher amperage charger.
You'll know it's working because within a couple/few seconds of plugging it in, you'll see the Menu/Home/Back backlights blink several times...Then the LG logo will come on, followed by a battery charging indicator.
...If not, then it's time to go to the AT&T Store and get it looked at.
Good luck!
I bought it from this guy like 2 weeks ago. So idk if att can do anything since I have no insurance on the phone.
I have been using a samsung micro USB cord and using an iPhone wall mount. I'll check to see if att sells any oem chargers and see if that works.
Thanks I'll let you know how it goes
I went to the att store and the lady used the LG micro USB and the bottom flickered and it turned on. thanks so much guys for the help.
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I've had this happen once also. The phone was in my pocket and it felt like It was gonna burn a hole in my pants. I took the phone out and noticed it was shutdown. I can't remember what I did, but it did finally come back up. I tried to remove the back cover to remove the battery, but couldn't figure it out!
Bit of a necropost, but: I experienced this last night. The blinking lights are just letting you know that the phone's battery is so low that it cannot power the phone through startup. I left it plugged in a bit (while panicking) and after 5 or so minutes it powered itself up. Turns out LTE streaming on this phone drains battery faster than a wall charger can charge.
Depends what wall charger you are using. Another fun thing about it us the extra heat from the chargers current added to the massive heat the SOC puts off can also cause it to crash! Yay!
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I have an LG Nitro and recently when i'm using it the screen will randomly turn completely blue then it'll shut down on it's own it did it about 2-3 times a day and now it does it more than 7 times a day then i'll turn it back on and it'll let me use it for a while more than it does the same thing i don't know what could possibly be wrong with it?
Hello all, my wife's kindle fire will not charge. I have tried using AC and USB power, but no luck. I have an older version of FireFireFire, so it did not charge correctly when it was almost dead. Do you have nay suggestions? I tried plugging it into a USB port and leaving it there for about an hour, but it will not turn on. If it does, it only stays on for like 2 seconds. Please help!
Does the Charging port seem loose? Mine was loose and. Just told amazon and they sent me a neone
I tried that but now it won't even boot up. Is it possible this thing is bricked?
Are you using the stock AC charger? My cheapie Micro-b from eBay broke within a month. At first I thought it was something wrong with the kindle, but switching back to the stock charger fixed all my problems.
Yeah we tried the stock charger too...
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So I have absolutely no experience whatsover with rooting anything, or any of that shennanigans, but I have just had the same problem, and here is what I did.
-Took it to an electronics shop. Apparently they often have loose connections, so tried to get that fixed up, they did that and it didn't work, so now they think it's the battery. This would have cost me $120 if it did work, which is more than i paid for the kindle second hand, but i didn't care bc I was going overseas in four days and I just wanted it to work.
-Called Amazon.If it's still within the warranty period then this is fine. They will just send you a new one, then you have 30 days to mail back the old one. If it's not under the warranty period, it will cost you $100 for the same deal. They replace it with a new model even if you have the old one which is nice, and they don't really look at them when they get them, so it shouldn't matter if it's been rooted/opened etc. The only thing is that you have to have actually registered the kindle with amazon at some point, which was a problem bc I bought mine already rooted. Also they only send to the US. Also a problem for me....
I realise that this may not have been the type of help you are looking for, but it's all I got.
I was thinking about removing the battery and charging it some other way but I'm not sure what to do right now. It sucks to have a paperweight
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Trying to force charge by inserting wire will only damage the primary cell because it then becomes the resister without normal constraints you may be able to charge it to 47% or so but the damage to the primary cell will require that the battery is replaced. Search google batteries are not that expensive somewhere in the 50$ range. As far as replacing them it`s just a matter of carefully removing the back cover disconnecting and unsticking the old one and installing the new.
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Hello everyone,
I am currently going through hell with my sph-l710. This all started a few days ago.
My phone refuses to charge sometimes, but the charging light comes on. I have never gotten the phone to charge above around 20%. I took it to sprint. First they said it was a software issue but they wouldn't look at it because i was on a custom rom (Liquidsmooth) and rooted. So I went home and did a reflash of md4 via odin.
This didn't fix the issue.
So I went back in. This time, they said it was the battery. So I bought a brand new battery.
That didn't help the issue.
So I went back in, and they said they had to keep in for an hour to see if I simply needed a new phone. When I came back, they said it worked fine on multiple chargers and they got it up to 56%. So I came back home thinking maybe they were just covering their asses for the previous times they couldn't figure it out.
That didn't help the issue.
It once again wouldn't charge and while I was bored I flashed cleanbean v4.0. Still not charging properly. I noticed that while it was plugged into my PC, it got up to like 30% so I got excited, but when I rebooted the phone after unplugging it, it went down to 17% immediately.
I'm literally pulling my hair out over this. I have used my mom's charger for her htc evo and that won't charge it either.
Can someone pelase tell me what in the world is wrong with my phone??
Cheers
The charger, do not use a charger for HTC, make sure you use the charger that came with the phone. USB charging from the computer is slow. But your wall charger should have it fully charged within an hour. If not then your charger is bad or the cable is bad.
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Check the port on the phone for pocket fuzz, Try a different usb cable, try a different charger. It's likely one of these is the problem. If not, is your phone running hot? If so, maybe an app on the phone is drawing so much current that the charger can't keep up. What does the battery usage display in settings say? Does it show something eating up battery that shouldn't be?
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The charger, do not use a charger for HTC, make sure you use the charger that came with the phone. USB charging from the computer is slow. But your wall charger should have it fully charged within an hour. If not then your charger is bad or the cable is bad.
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As long as its compatible it doesn't matter what chargers you use over the years I have usrd various ones and they all worked whit no issue wheter they are intended for my device or not..
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shahkam said:
As long as its compatible it doesn't matter what chargers you use over the years I have usrd various ones and they all worked whit no issue wheter they are intended for my device or not..
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I used to think the same thing, but when I use my Kindle's charger or my old Evo 4G's charger, my phone doesn't charge, it just maintains the same level. My Palm Pre's charger, though, works like a charge. The Funkiest Ed wasn't saying that only Samsung chargers would work, but that it's likely the charger doesn't work anymore.
The other day I noticed my S3 was not charging correctly.
When I plugged it in it would make all the correct noises and signs, but the battery was dropping.
Changed out the charger, still the same thing.
Changed out the cable...still no go.
Finally I turned it off, removed the cover and battery, placed it back and and it charged just fine when powered down.
Proceed to the next day and it's still doing the same thing.
So once again I power it down, plug it and let it charge.
I get up this morning and notice that it did not charge, no red led or charging screen was active either.
So now I have nothing.
It will not turn on. The only thing it does is show me a red led when I plug it in, but goes no further.
Nothing major has been done recently.
I do have a stock rom that's been rooted and flashed onto it via Odin, but I did that months ago when JB came out for TMo.
Any ideas or am I SOL?
I think I'm also out of luck with the warranty as it's rooted, and it once took a drop and hit a corner (the one time I took it out of the case!)
I would try another battery.
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I would try another battery.
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That's the plan...but I need to acquire another S3 battery.
I should have access to one in a few hours.
Anyone know if S3 batteries are known for going bad?
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That's the plan...but I need to acquire another S3 battery.
I should have access to one in a few hours.
Anyone know if S3 batteries are known for going bad?
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Besides the one that supposedly caused a S3 to catch on fire? No, but you never know.
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Okay so luckily my S3 isn't dead or bricked.
However, it will no longer charge batteries.
It reports that it's plugged in and charging, but if anything it's actually discharging quicker.
I swapped out batteries and it turns back on, but will not charge.
Other S3 will charge my battery no issue though, so that's not it.
I have tried 4 different chargers and 5 different cables.
All produce the same result.
I don't know if the S3 is compatible with them, but I've tried two current monitors.
One reports no amperage going into the phone, the other will show a -5mah load when charging.
I cleaned out the bottom connector with some contact cleaner, still no go.
Since the phone will also die while off, I feel it's not an Android issue.
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Okay so luckily my S3 isn't dead or bricked.
However, it will no longer charge batteries.
It reports that it's plugged in and charging, but if anything it's actually discharging quicker.
I swapped out batteries and it turns back on, but will not charge.
Other S3 will charge my battery no issue though, so that's not it.
I have tried 4 different chargers and 5 different cables.
All produce the same result.
I don't know if the S3 is compatible with them, but I've tried two current monitors.
One reports no amperage going into the phone, the other will show a -5mah load when charging.
I cleaned out the bottom connector with some contact cleaner, still no go.
Since the phone will also die while off, I feel it's not an Android issue.
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So I flashed the latest 4.1.2 JB with Odin (stock but already rooted via root66 rom)
Still nothing, battery does not charge when plugged in.
When I was booting into download mode, it would keep restarting when it was plugged in.
I had to boot into download mode, then plug in the usb (to my laptop)
This really sucks. I've really had no issues with this phone but this incident is leaving a bad taste in my mouth Samsung. :crying:
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So I flashed the latest 4.1.2 JB with Odin (stock but already rooted via root66 rom)
Still nothing, battery does not charge when plugged in.
When I was booting into download mode, it would keep restarting when it was plugged in.
I had to boot into download mode, then plug in the usb (to my laptop)
This really sucks. I've really had no issues with this phone but this incident is leaving a bad taste in my mouth Samsung. :crying:
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Just so you know, when it is plugged in, it will not power on into system, recovery or download mode. That is normal. As for it not charging, All I can guess is either a shorted or broken pin inside the phones usb port. If this is the case, and you dont have insurance for it, you may need to get a spare battery. Ive seen some that come with a desktop charger where you plug the battery into the charger itself.
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Just so you know, when it is plugged in, it will not power on into system, recovery or download mode. That is normal. As for it not charging, All I can guess is either a shorted or broken pin inside the phones usb port. If this is the case, and you dont have insurance for it, you may need to get a spare battery. Ive seen some that come with a desktop charger where you plug the battery into the charger itself.
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I just found it odd I could boot up to the point and it would shut back down, so figured it was worth mentioning.
The outer port is not the issue from what I can see.
For now I ended up buying external batteries I have to swap out,
Really sucks having to swap out a couple a day. My next phone has to have a wireless charger at this point.
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I just found it odd I could boot up to the point and it would shut back down, so figured it was worth mentioning.
The outer port is not the issue from what I can see.
For now I ended up buying external batteries I have to swap out,
Really sucks having to swap out a couple a day. My next phone has to have a wireless charger at this point.
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You could have gotten a wireless charger for the S3, I had one but ended up selling it because I never really used it.
Sounds like it's the S3 itself. You could order the part online and watch a step by step tutorial on YouTube if you feel confident enough to do it yourself.
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If you want wireless charging, there a receiver tag on Amazon that allows you to have QI standard wireless charging.
So suddenly my note 2 running tweaked has started charging real slow then all off a sudden will not charge at all. Ive tried several chargers and now have noticed with or without the battery i can enter only download mode and it will show up on odin but not charge the battery. as soon as i try to restart instead of entering download mode it will try and start but just shut down. Does anyone have any thoughts or ideas or has seen this issue? thanks. so considering it will enter odin is it possibly a battery issue,although it will only go into download mode nothing else? thanks again
The issue is not the ROM, I can tell you that much.
I would suggest flashing the stock kernel. If that does not help the issue, you need a new battery. 100% positive. I say that because you claim you have tried other chargers.
i cant check but can anyone else confirm the phone wont work without battery in with it plugged into laptop
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i cant check but can anyone else confirm the phone wont work without battery in with it plugged into laptop
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It doesn't. You have to have the battery in, even when plugged into a wall charger.
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It doesn't. You have to have the battery in, even when plugged into a wall charger.
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awesome i am currently only 6500 miles from home in south korea.......seems like samsung is pretty popular here. lol everyone has a note2 here i swear. gonna find a battery and hopefully it solves the issue.
I'm having a sort of similar issue.
This is a brand new issue for me. I've been rooted running Jedi X-14 for about 2 months or so now. I went on vacation to Guatemala and that's when the issues started arising. I brought along the same charger I used here back in the states, and it worked fine the first day or two, then new things started happening. It started taking about 5-10 seconds for the Note to realize the charger was plugged in. Then when the charger was plugged in the bottom of the screen (actual touch screen) started becoming a bit unresponsive and laggy. The phone no longer charged as fast as it used to. Then sometimes I would plug it in, and it wouldn't actually charge...it would make the noise recognizing something has been plugged in, but would say "Please Connect charger". If the phone completely died this was almost a guarantee and I would need to plug/unplug/plug until the dead battery icon changed into the charging battery icon.
I'm back in the states now, haven't had a chance to reset/install a new rom or anything, and my phone earlier tonight went dead. Spent a good 2 minutes fiddling with it, it eventually turned on, said no charger was inserted, and turned off. Since then I have not been able to get it on. As soon as I plug it in it shows dead battery, and very rarely it will start to boot up the battery charging symbols (battery symbol with green bar moving), but even if it did, it would do it for 1-3 seconds and shut off.
I'm able to get into Recovery Mode/Download Mode, and the phone will actually stay on as long as it's on the charger (wall outlet).
It's not the battery, as I have another official Note 2 battery (at work currently, and I switched them the other day, to see if the other battery was the issue). Also I have different USB cords/chargers, and they all give the same issue.
From CWM Recovery I was able to wipe Cache/Factory reset the phone, but it still does not boot up. Any advice is appreciated. I can probably get it on when I get my other battery which is near fully charged at work, but I won't be at work for another 2 days or so, so I'm looking for a fix so I can have a working phone in the meantime. Thanks in advance.
EDIT: I was able to charge the phone while in recovery mode to about 10%...It then turned on...after a few minutes however the charger just stopped charging the phone. Tried another charger same thing. Tried both chargers with an s3 I have, and they work perfectly fine. Even going back to recovery mode won't charge it anymore.
I was on vacation in Central America and the same thing happened to me. It works fine in the states now.
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Bkenigma said:
I'm having a sort of similar issue.
This is a brand new issue for me. I've been rooted running Jedi X-14 for about 2 months or so now. I went on vacation to Guatemala and that's when the issues started arising. I brought along the same charger I used here back in the states, and it worked fine the first day or two, then new things started happening. It started taking about 5-10 seconds for the Note to realize the charger was plugged in. Then when the charger was plugged in the bottom of the screen (actual touch screen) started becoming a bit unresponsive and laggy. The phone no longer charged as fast as it used to. Then sometimes I would plug it in, and it wouldn't actually charge...it would make the noise recognizing something has been plugged in, but would say "Please Connect charger". If the phone completely died this was almost a guarantee and I would need to plug/unplug/plug until the dead battery icon changed into the charging battery icon.
I'm back in the states now, haven't had a chance to reset/install a new rom or anything, and my phone earlier tonight went dead. Spent a good 2 minutes fiddling with it, it eventually turned on, said no charger was inserted, and turned off. Since then I have not been able to get it on. As soon as I plug it in it shows dead battery, and very rarely it will start to boot up the battery charging symbols (battery symbol with green bar moving), but even if it did, it would do it for 1-3 seconds and shut off.
I'm able to get into Recovery Mode/Download Mode, and the phone will actually stay on as long as it's on the charger (wall outlet).
It's not the battery, as I have another official Note 2 battery (at work currently, and I switched them the other day, to see if the other battery was the issue). Also I have different USB cords/chargers, and they all give the same issue.
From CWM Recovery I was able to wipe Cache/Factory reset the phone, but it still does not boot up. Any advice is appreciated. I can probably get it on when I get my other battery which is near fully charged at work, but I won't be at work for another 2 days or so, so I'm looking for a fix so I can have a working phone in the meantime. Thanks in advance.
EDIT: I was able to charge the phone while in recovery mode to about 10%...It then turned on...after a few minutes however the charger just stopped charging the phone. Tried another charger same thing. Tried both chargers with an s3 I have, and they work perfectly fine. Even going back to recovery mode won't charge it anymore.
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Maybe its the oversea power grid? If you are using just a wall converter (US to Wherever) and still using your american AC adapter, you have to realize the power grids arent as clean or as constant as they are here in the states and can actually ruin an AC charger. Can you charge it via your PC using the USB cable? I know the stock Kernel has a near trickle charge though but still, it might be enough to charge it for use.
Something to keep in mind, the S3 has a lower power draw than the note 2. The screen alone on the note2 can draw more than 600Mah which is more than a standard USB adapter can output. Thats not counting the draw on the battery from cpu frequency or radios.
Also I can also assure you that bad power grounds cause a touchscreen to act up. I have an iconia a500 that acts up in the same way with a generic charger, yet, with the stock charger it works fine. It has less power filtering in its charging circuitry. I still have ungrounded outlets in my house which cause the issue. Too much interference.
Just a guess as both you and ryan are experiencing similar issues and are both away from home.
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Maybe its the oversea power grid? If you are using just a wall converter (US to Wherever) and still using your american AC adapter, you have to realize the power grids arent as clean or as constant as they are here in the states and can actually ruin an AC charger. Can you charge it via your PC using the USB cable? I know the stock Kernel has a near trickle charge though but still, it might be enough to charge it for use.
Something to keep in mind, the S3 has a lower power draw than the note 2. The screen alone on the note2 can draw more than 600Mah which is more than a standard USB adapter can output. Thats not counting the draw on the battery from cpu frequency or radios.
Also I can also assure you that bad power grounds cause a touchscreen to act up. I have an iconia a500 that acts up in the same way with a generic charger, yet, with the stock charger it works fine. It has less power filtering in its charging circuitry. I still have ungrounded outlets in my house which cause the issue. Too much interference.
Just a guess as both you and ryan are experiencing similar issues and are both away from home.
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I figured maybe my charger from the US I had brought to Guatemala had broken...when I got back to the States, I bought a Micro USB charger from one of those vending machines in the airport (says it's a 5V2 1A wall charger- 2.1A output)... Having tried different chargers, batteries and outlets, I can only assume it's something with the Hardware no? I was able to reset the phone, and installed Jedi Master 14 to replace Jedi X14, to see maybe if something with the ROM was faulty, and that didn't help.
Phone no longer charges in CWM Recovery like it did last night. Phone turns off, and has that dead battery symbol on the screen (empty battery with a loading circular icon on it). It will no longer go any further.
Tried charging thru my computer to the same effect... worst case scenario I have to do a warranty exchange, however I'd like to avoid it as I believe T-Mobile no longer offers the White Note 2 and I don't like the titanium colored one, I'd have to un-root/stock rom/Triangle Away, and then re-root new phone (I'm a complete N00b at this stuff so it's time consuming for me to do), and honestly I'd just to avoid it if at all possible.
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I figured maybe my charger from the US I had brought to Guatemala had broken...when I got back to the States, I bought a Micro USB charger from one of those vending machines in the airport (says it's a 5V2 1A wall charger- 2.1A output)... Having tried different chargers, batteries and outlets, I can only assume it's something with the Hardware no? I was able to reset the phone, and installed Jedi Master 14 to replace Jedi X14, to see maybe if something with the ROM was faulty, and that didn't help.
Phone no longer charges in CWM Recovery like it did last night. Phone turns off, and has that dead battery symbol on the screen (empty battery with a loading circular icon on it). It will no longer go any further.
Tried charging thru my computer to the same effect... worst case scenario I have to do a warranty exchange, however I'd like to avoid it as I believe T-Mobile no longer offers the White Note 2 and I don't like the titanium colored one, I'd have to un-root/stock rom/Triangle Away, and then re-root new phone (I'm a complete N00b at this stuff so it's time consuming for me to do), and honestly I'd just to avoid it if at all possible.
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Well, its tough to say without using a multimeter and checking a few points, but, a power spike could fry the charging circuit in the phone. Thats the worst case scenario. Only thing you could do if thats the case would be to get a second battery and external charger.
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Luckily both can be gotten from eBay for under usd $20. Its probably worth checking asurion to see if they have white ones in Stock. You just have to weigh the cost of a warranty replacement the hassle of changing batteries every day.
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Luckily both can be gotten from eBay for under usd $20. Its probably worth checking asurion to see if they have white ones in Stock. You just have to weigh the cost of a warranty replacement the hassle of changing batteries every day.
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I just experienced the same problem with my N2 over the weekend. Went to Bestbuy and got the $50 battery charger and extra battery (Check local availability) price matched to Amazon.com for $30 (with free shipping under more buying choices), brought it home to charge my completely wasted original battery and used the one in the box. Sure enough, it is the charging port. The new battery did the same thing as the old one, it showed it was being charged by the little lightning "icon" over the battery, but the battery was still draining. Although the lightning icon was there, there was no "bing-bing" tone (in the stock rom w/ root) to indicate the cable was ACTUALLY connected.
What is interesting is I think the battery icon shows up as "processing" if the USB pins are connected, but if just the +/- terminals are used in the cord (like the one that comes with the battery dock, not a MicroUSB cable -> USB port -> power adapter that comes with the phone, but power adapter -> MicroUSB) nothing registers on the phone even if it's completely powered down.
Called Tmo today and they are shipping a warranty replacement to me for free, I just have to wait for Ground shipping (didn't pay the $20 for "overnight"). Hopefully it'll come by next Wednesday, as I'm leaving on vacation then. With all this drama on the phone, I actually ended up ordering a Nokia 521 (give old WinMo a try again) from HSN over the weekend as a backup phone for $100. I felt like I was going to die not having a phone for 2 solid days.
Normally they send one out , then you return yours. The battery on this phone is phenomenal, so using an external battery charger and swapping them out would be viable while waiting for the new one to come in the mail id think.
Im hoping these phones dont get usb charging problems often. I might just mod mine to take wireless charging. My s2's microusb port died on me.
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Normally they send one out , then you return yours. The battery on this phone is phenomenal, so using an external battery charger and swapping them out would be viable while waiting for the new one to come in the mail id think.
Im hoping these phones dont get usb charging problems often. I might just mod mine to take wireless charging. My s2's microusb port died on me.
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I'm actually quite disappointed that Tmo told Samsung to not wire up the wireless charging leads on this phone. I would be totally on-board for wireless charging a'la Nexus or my Touchpad. My Microusb connector wouldn't even see any use other than when to flash a rooted update.
I'm OK with a soldering iron, but I don't want to tear the thing apart to hook them up myself. Seems like it would be a great way to void the warranty, OR disable my Squaretrade warranty.
Just wanted to drop back by since I was about to send back my N2 to Tmo... I unrooted, triangle awayed and finally flashed "clean" firmware directly from Samsung via ODIN.... both batteries are now charging via both USB and Power adapter.
WTF