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Considering a switch from the GNexus

Heya guys,
I've got the ever present upgrade itch that everyone here must know about......
I'm really looking into a good phone camera that has decent battery life as well since I can't always bring me DSLR with me around all the time.
How development and everything for the One X? Battery life? I'm looking specifically at the international version.
Thanks

Development is great. Some solid roms for this device within the first month. Can't imagine what it will be like in half a year or when there's an s-off exploit found. Obviously the phone has some great attraction for some of the features it carries and the design.
On ARHD rom right now I get about 18-22 hours of battery life moderate usage, light usage a couple of days, and heavy usage about 10 hours. I'm very satisfied with this phone. Some other people can drop there comments and let you know; also, there's an official reviews thread you should probably check out.
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UnlockedNand said:
Development is great. Some solid roms for this device within the first month. Can't imagine what it will be like in half a year or when there's an s-off exploit found. Obviously the phone has some great attraction for some of the features it carries and the design.
On ARHD rom right now I get about 18-22 hours of battery life moderate usage, light usage a couple of days, and heavy usage about 10 hours. I'm very satisfied with this phone. Some other people can drop there comments and let you know; also, there's an official reviews thread you should probably check out.
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whats the screen time like when you use it heavily (as according to above 10hrs phone on but how long for screen?)
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any major bugs? I'd like to try sense out as the only HTC phone that I've used was my mum's Desire Z that I automatically flashed CM7 on back when she had it.
I've "heard" that there are some screen flickering issues and launcher reloading.....
any comments would be greatly appreciated

I've had my One X for 1.5 weeks now and zero problems whatsoever I get about 12-13hrs from the battery with 3-4h screentime

droid_does said:
Heya guys,
I've got the ever present upgrade itch that everyone here must know about......
I'm really looking into a good phone camera that has decent battery life as well since I can't always bring me DSLR with me around all the time.
How development and everything for the One X? Battery life? I'm looking specifically at the international version.
Thanks
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Here's some info on battery life. It's better than the GN. But the GN has the option of extended and replacable batteries which the One X doesn't.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=25725630&postcount=25
As for the camera, I don't think it's finished yet. There's been discussion about noise and compression. Some of the pics I've taken in iffy light haven't been that great. The h/w's there I think the s/w needs some tweaking. If you could live with the camera on the GN the One X will be a step up.

BarryH_GEG said:
Here's some info on battery life. It's better than the GN. But the GN has the option of extended and replacable batteries which the One X doesn't.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=25725630&postcount=25
As for the camera, I don't think it's finished yet. There's been discussion about noise and compression. Some of the pics I've taken in iffy light haven't been that great. The h/w's there I think the s/w needs some tweaking. If you could live with the camera on the GN the One X will be a step up.
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Ahhh thanks. But i guess i could circumnavigate the integrated battery by having an external portable battery pack....hmmmm
Tough choice. I'll wait for some more comments and opinions first
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droid_does said:
Ahhh thanks. But i guess i could circumnavigate the integrated battery by having an external portable battery pack....hmmmm
Tough choice. I'll wait for some more comments and opinions first
Sent from my Galaxy Nexus
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Watch reviews and videos about the s3 vs One x phones..then make your decision. I would say One X. Good phone solid great specs and if you are a gamer you will be happy with the Tegra 3 chip...Battery life is solid so far no complaints. Development i am sure it will pick up...So its down to you my friend

NoobTerminator said:
Watch reviews and videos about the s3 vs One x phones..then make your decision. I would say One X. Good phone solid great specs and if you are a gamer you will be happy with the Tegra 3 chip...Battery life is solid so far no complaints. Development i am sure it will pick up...So its down to you my friend
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I'm definitely let down by the S3....its seems so similar in many ways to the GNexus that I wouldn't consider it as an "upgrade". I wouldn't hesitate to recommend it to people without smartphones though.
the HTCOX screams of something desirable to me.......still hesitant though right now
keep those comments flowing in please

droid_does said:
whats the screen time like when you use it heavily (as according to above 10hrs phone on but how long for screen?)
hmmm
any major bugs? I'd like to try sense out as the only HTC phone that I've used was my mum's Desire Z that I automatically flashed CM7 on back when she had it.
I've "heard" that there are some screen flickering issues and launcher reloading.....
any comments would be greatly appreciated
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The 10 hours probably around 5-6 hours of continuous screen display running videos, games, and other tasks. No sense issues at all except for it uses a lot more battery than pure ics. The screen flickering is unconfirmed as to what is the underlying issue (software or hardware) related. HTC is looking into the screen flickering right now, and launcher reloading I've never had.

I'd say wait 1 month.
QC issues iron over time. S-OFF is not ready as yet. The lack of such 'freedom' will be shocking to a GN user.
Custom ROMs for this device are excellent both in quality and quantity. This is a very popular handset, thus community support is very high.
Battery life is really good. Depending on screen usage you can get 1.5 days usage easy. Heavy usage will obviously reduce that by a lot.

UnlockedNand said:
The 10 hours probably around 5-6 hours of continuous screen display running videos, games, and other tasks. No sense issues at all except for it uses a lot more battery than pure ics. The screen flickering is unconfirmed as to what is the underlying issue (software or hardware) related. HTC is looking into the screen flickering right now, and launcher reloading I've never had.
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junialum said:
I'd say wait 1 month.
QC issues iron over time. S-OFF is not ready as yet. The lack of such 'freedom' will be shocking to a GN user.
Custom ROMs for this device are excellent both in quality and quantity. This is a very popular handset, thus community support is very high.
Battery life is really good. Depending on screen usage you can get 1.5 days usage easy. Heavy usage will obviously reduce that by a lot.
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Thanks guys! If anybody has anything else to add please do so
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OK so I have a galaxy nexus and got it on launch back in november. I picked up a one x because I really liked the look of it, but so far I can't decide which phone to keep.
The One X is great because it’s lovely to hold, has a fantastic screen and a very decent camera. But the software lets it down – and that’s not some lazy complaint. I’ve owned the phone for two weeks. Whilst Sense 4.0 is a big improvement over previous versions, I still struggle to find any part of it where it’s better than stock ICS, except perhaps the lockscreen which allows multiple targets. But that functionality is common in custom ICS ROMs anyway.
Stock ICS is, I feel, about as good as Android could be at the moment. This makes having to put up with the unnecessary ‘embellishments’ and changes on the One X is frustrating. HTC’s launcher is also considerably laggier than the stock Android 4.0 launcher, and whilst installing Nova launcher helps, I’m not sure why HTC felt the need to use their own anyway.
I must say I totally agree with The Verge’s conclusion on the One X – with stock ICS, it could be the best Android phone ever. Until then… Im just not sure which phone to keep!

ref1ux said:
OK so I have a galaxy nexus and got it on launch back in november. I picked up a one x because I really liked the look of it, but so far I can't decide which phone to keep.
The One X is great because it’s lovely to hold, has a fantastic screen and a very decent camera. But the software lets it down – and that’s not some lazy complaint. I’ve owned the phone for two weeks. Whilst Sense 4.0 is a big improvement over previous versions, I still struggle to find any part of it where it’s better than stock ICS, except perhaps the lockscreen which allows multiple targets. But that functionality is common in custom ICS ROMs anyway.
Stock ICS is, I feel, about as good as Android could be at the moment. This makes having to put up with the unnecessary ‘embellishments’ and changes on the One X is frustrating. HTC’s launcher is also considerably laggier than the stock Android 4.0 launcher, and whilst installing Nova launcher helps, I’m not sure why HTC felt the need to use their own anyway.
I must say I totally agree with The Verge’s conclusion on the One X – with stock ICS, it could be the best Android phone ever. Until then… Im just not sure which phone to keep!
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I'm in the same position, I'm really not sure which one to keep either - I suspect I will still be saying the same in two months time though!
HTC should have gone out on a limb and developed a dual boot - let the users decide whether they want to run sense or stock.
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Bumping this up. Thanks for the replies so far
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pnnorth said:
I'm in the same position, I'm really not sure which one to keep either - I suspect I will still be saying the same in two months time though!
HTC should have gone out on a limb and developed a dual boot - let the users decide whether they want to run sense or stock.
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Yeah I've had the phone nearly a month and still can't decide! Argh
Someone's developing a CM9 port over at Modaco and it's getting close to finished (just a few bugs left to squash). So if it's good enough, I might just install it and sell the Nexus.

ref1ux said:
Yeah I've had the phone nearly a month and still can't decide! Argh
Someone's developing a CM9 port over at Modaco and it's getting close to finished (just a few bugs left to squash). So if it's good enough, I might just install it and sell the Nexus.
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thanks
any other comments? battery, camera, screen etc? usability?

I've only used an older version for a few minutes, but on the surface everything works fine. It's mostly just odd bugs they're sorting out now. I'd link the thread, but things are a bit iffy between XDA and the developer at Modaco.
Either way, back on my GNex now and it feels like an old friend. Love this phone.

Considering getting rid of Quad Core One X for Nexus

As per the title, will I miss the Quad Core? Especially concerned about smoothness in the browser, for example scrolling when viewing flash elements is as if the flash element wasnt there on the One X.
Im considering the swap as I want a Nexus device for dev support and can have a bit of money left over for the next Nexus if I do this swap.

It will not be a regret! I was a fan of the build quality of the one x and its speed but the nexus with jb on it ownes the one x (in my opinion). Plus there is a port of HTC sense 4.0 if you are a fan of sense!
sent from my GNexus rocking Jelly Bean!

thephoneguyusa said:
It will not be a regret! I was a fan of the build quality of the one x and its speed but the nexus with jb on it ownes the one x (in my opinion). Plus there is a port of HTC sense 4.0 if you are a fan of sense!
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Thanks for the reply mate. How does the battery life compare (screen on times)? And does the Nexus feel "cheap" this is one criticism i see levelled at it a lot. I have the option of the S3 but that does look ugly and cheap (too much chrome and too much shine as well as too much plastic.)
I will miss the One X's looks but I love the look of the Nexus, particularly on the front.
Could you give me a test of browser/flash performance? How is it on the Youtube website scrolling when the video is playing? Are button presses on the flash object (like pressing play/mute/pause) instant? I'm a heavy flash user (cricket/football/Sky Sports streaming) so this is important to me.

slvrarrow said:
Thanks for the reply mate. How does the battery life compare (screen on times)? And does the Nexus feel "cheap" this is one criticism i see levelled at it a lot. I have the option of the S3 but that does look ugly and cheap (too much chrome and too much shine as well as too much plastic.)
I will miss the One X's looks but I love the look of the Nexus, particularly on the front.
Could you give me a test of browser/flash performance? How is it on the Youtube website scrolling when the video is playing? Are button presses on the flash object (like pressing play/mute/pause) instant? I'm a heavy flash user (cricket/football/Sky Sports streaming) so this is important to me.
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Extremely smooth. Flash hasn't been updated for jb. However you can still use the one for ICS. I haven't used flash but everything else works great. The battery life does fine.
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shockem said:
Extremely smooth. Flash hasn't been updated for jb. However you can still use the one for ICS. I haven't used flash but everything else works great. The battery life does fine.
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Could someone test out http://www.computerandvideogames.com/ website on desktop mode and let me know scrolling performance/scrolling lag on the Nexus?

slvrarrow said:
Could someone test out http://www.computerandvideogames.com/ website on desktop mode and let me know scrolling performance/scrolling lag on the Nexus?
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Tried the page u posted, no lag or stutters whatsoever. The galaxy nexus stock browser is one of the smoothest and quickest browsers out there, even back on ics days, no need to mention JB, everything just flies
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rayiskon said:
Tried the page u posted, no lag or stutters whatsoever. The galaxy nexus stock browser is one of the smoothest and quickest browsers out there, even back on ics days, no need to mention JB, everything just flies
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Brilliant. Just trying to think of things I could throw at you lot here - I know what works smooth on the One X and what doesn't. For one thing CVG on desktop mode would have lag from when you put your finger on the screen to the actual scroll taking place.
PCgamer.com was also similarly troublesome on the One X.
What "Screen On" times can I expect with a Nexus? I get 3/4 hours on the One X

You'll get comparable screen on times. Most people get in the three to four hour range. Some less though, and I have seen upwards of five plus hours. A lot will depend on your setup and kernel of choice.
The One X is a nice phone, one that would be tempting to me, as I do like Htc's build quality.
The Nexus doesn't feel overly cheap to me or like to much plastic. I think that may be due to the Glass front and I run a cover so that kinds of changes the feel of the textured back to me.
I do really like the dev community and support that the Nexus receives. One of the reasons that it would be hard for me to leave the Nexus.
Good luck in your choice.

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Brilliant. Just trying to think of things I could throw at you lot here - I know what works smooth on the One X and what doesn't. For one thing CVG on desktop mode would have lag from when you put your finger on the screen to the actual scroll taking place.
PCgamer.com was also similarly troublesome on the One X.
What "Screen On" times can I expect with a Nexus? I get 3/4 hours on the One X
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Trust me, i owned htc and samsung phones, and since my htc desire days i stopped using stock browsers and dolphin was the main one on all phones that followed. after getting the gnex i was still skeptical about stock browsers, but it's really the best browser i've tried so far, adding to it's speed all the cool stuff like guick controls and inverted screen rendering, u just can't go wrong with it. Furthermore the jelly bean experience is far away from anything available on any other android device out there. I posted a youtube link a while ago about a review for JB on gnex , a part of the review concentrates on browser performance, i'll post the link here as soon as i get to my pc (don't feel like searching over my phone)
Edit: as for screen on times, it depends if u're planing to get the gsm or cdma (verizon/sprint) version. I have a gsm one and on ics i used to get continuosly over 5hrs screen on. On jb it dropped to ~ 4-4.5 hrs , i think Google Now is eating the battery, (giving me navigation and calculating traffic to home) even though i don't need it, and actually i'm still enjoying all these JB features so i guess i'll turn some of those uneeded gnow cards OFF soon, pretty sure it'll improve my battery life more
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I've gotten the best battery life of any Android phone on this one.
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Guys you're being ridiculously helpful and I'm seriously tempted to jack in the One X and get the Nexus tomorrow even!
That review you mentioned above would be great to see.
What JB ROM/Kernel combo would you recommend and could you point me in the direction of the thinnest case for the back of the phone?
I'd be on GSM in the UK BTW.
Does overclocking to the 4460's 1.5ghz massively impact battery life? And how effective is undervolting? I've read you can UV the CPU/GPU and Screen as well as another chip?
For the fella above that had the ONE X would you say the camera/screen is markedly better on the HTC or is it negligible? Screen more important than camera to me.
Also is this colour accuracy patch still in use with many Kernels? The ONE X screen is streets ahead in terms of colour IMO and this seems to certainly help? http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1521195
Lastly just to reaffirm, scrolling performance with a flash video playing is instantaneous?

Don't even need 1.5ghz. Its smooth at 1036mhz.
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here is the vid i mentioned , it was done on the developer preview 4.1, the official 4.1.1 has been furthermore polished
also take a look at this
as for overclock, u don't need it

I too have a HOX and ordered a Nexus the other night. It'll be here tomorrow. I can give you a hands-on account of the switch after that!

chamme22 said:
I too have a HOX and ordered a Nexus the other night. It'll be here tomorrow. I can give you a hands-on account of the switch after that!
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What ROM are you running? I know HOX is getting JB but why keep it when I can have £100 spare and have a similar performing phone, with most support and instant AOSP pushes?
Please hurry with your account because I will probably be rushing off to make the exchange tomorrow myself! Haha

Achieved it yesterday. Well actually almost everyday. Stock jb with stock kernel. Only rooted deoxdexed, bigxie version. I don't use setcpu or anything. Gps and bluetooth on when needed. And since I don't use nfc, I turned it off and greatly improved the battery too. Auto sync are all on, auto-brightness n also plume updating every 30 minutes.
Btw, I use it alongside my one x too. The thing is, it's been 24 hours since I last touch my one x. Damn it that shows how much I love nexus and aosp! You won't regret it mate. I prefer using my nexus over one x in anything! Really tiring waiting for CM to come official for one x. Grrr...
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LuffyPSP said:
Achieved it yesterday. Well actually almost everyday. Stock jb with stock kernel. Only rooted deoxdexed, bigxie version. I don't use setcpu or anything. Gps and bluetooth on when needed. And since I don't use nfc, I turned it off and greatly improved the battery too. Auto sync are all on, auto-brightness n also plume updating every 30 minutes.
Btw, I use it alongside my one x too. The thing is, it's been 24 hours since I last touch my one x. Damn it that shows how much I love nexus and aosp! You won't regret it mate. I prefer using my nexus over one x in anything! Really tiring waiting for CM to come official for one x. Grrr...
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How much difference is there between the screen and camera? Can you see pixels on the screen of the nexus being pentile or is it as pin sharp as the One X (which looks like a magazine print to be honest).
How would you rate performance of the Nexus in relation to the One X ?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KMusBwaMKMw
The lag here worries me, its definitely not like that on the One X with ICS its butter smooth

You won't miss a damn thing. Go for it.
slvrarrow said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KMusBwaMKMw
The lag here worries me, its definitely not like that on the One X with ICS its butter smooth
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That guy is a moron. Also, full YouTube can make some desktops cry.
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I can't say on the Stock Browser with Ics, as I was using Chrome. But on JB with the stock browser, I just opened Youtube, and had no lag at all. Very smooth. I've been really impressed with the improvements to the Stock Browser in JB. I tried Chrome, and it was choppy. With the performance of the Stock Browser, I see no reason to use anything else now though.
What everyone else has said about not needing to overclock. Very true. I run at 1036 with no issues. I will push it up to 1500 if I want to run a bench test, but other than that, there really is no reason for me to OC.
The Gpu can be OC'd. I haven't noticed a lot of difference between 384 and 512. I don't play a lot of labor intense games though. Jelly Defense and Ski Safari are the only two games I have installed at the moment. Even the stock 307 setting works fine for these.
I have tried a few of the Kernels, but have been using Trinity exclusively now for the past few months both on Ics and now on Jb. It's all subjective to personal taste though. If you make the switch, there are many Kernels and roms to choose from, all with there pluses.

First Android phone that I've preferred stock launcher...

As title states...every Android I've had (and I've had a bunch), first thing I do is install Nova Launcher. I did that with my Note 2 immediately and kept it that way for a couple days without ever playing with touchwiz. However, a few days ago I figured I'd give TW a try and found that I actually prefer it to Nova! I was shocked, but pleased nonetheless. I find it (for the first time) every bit as smooth as Nova and I like the idea of Pagebuddy and the s pen utility icons that pop up in the notification tray. I have also found that the stock launcher seems to use less system resources than Nova...at least from what I can see by available ram.
Anyone else experience the above, or have I lost my mind?...haha
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My exact same experience from nova prime to the default launcher. Having the S calendar widgets is a bonus too
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I really like the app drawer and folder animations.

i just hate tw icons.....and the placement of the app icon! they should allow us to at least chnage those childish looking icons!

powerwagon said:
As title states...every Android I've had (and I've had a bunch), first thing I do is install Nova Launcher. I did that with my Note 2 immediately and kept it that way for a couple days without ever playing with touchwiz. However, a few days ago I figured I'd give TW a try and found that I actually prefer it to Nova! I was shocked, but pleased nonetheless. I find it (for the first time) every bit as smooth as Nova and I like the idea of Pagebuddy and the s pen utility icons that pop up in the notification tray. I have also found that the stock launcher seems to use less system resources than Nova...at least from what I can see by available ram.
Anyone else experience the above, or have I lost my mind?...haha
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I agree wholeheartedly. I'm still using Touchmywiz after a full two weeks now. that's amazing. Me changing themes all the time with Go Launcher or Nova got boring...every theme had at least one ICON or something I didn't like to sticking with stock launcher is kind of a nice. Especially since it's so smooth.

powerwagon said:
As title states...every Android I've had (and I've had a bunch), first thing I do is install Nova Launcher. I did that with my Note 2 immediately and kept it that way for a couple days without ever playing with touchwiz. However, a few days ago I figured I'd give TW a try and found that I actually prefer it to Nova! I was shocked, but pleased nonetheless. I find it (for the first time) every bit as smooth as Nova and I like the idea of Pagebuddy and the s pen utility icons that pop up in the notification tray. I have also found that the stock launcher seems to use less system resources than Nova...at least from what I can see by available ram.
Anyone else experience the above, or have I lost my mind?...haha
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Same. Totally stock everything here and can't find any lacking options. Samsung nailed the software on this device.
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I totally agree. TW is finally nice to have for once. The only additional thing i would like to have is quick reply for text without having to use go sms or sms popup.

Count me in too. I love it as-is. Which is a bummer, as I enjoyed flashing all the time, but for now, no-more. I had to root it, but that's it.

I cant believe how much I like tw I just wish it had force close any thing. Miui built in feature. Any one know a solution?
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I respect all of your opinions here. I hear what you guys are saying and understand it at a logical level. But, no. Just, no. Every skinned version of Android should be nuked and destroyed. Every carrier or OEM that tries to add to the Android experience should be forced to spend time for crimes against humanity.
As soon as mine gets here on Tuesday: Root and flash to the closest thing to AOSP.

bmstrong said:
I respect all of your opinions here. I hear what you guys are saying and understand it at a logical level. But, no. Just, no. Every skinned version of Android should be nuked and destroyed. Every carrier or OEM that tries to add to the Android experience should be forced to spend time for crimes against humanity.
As soon as mine gets here on Tuesday: Root and flash to the closest thing to AOSP.
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Interesting opinion considering you haven't even used it yet...haha
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powerwagon said:
Interesting opinion considering you haven't even used it yet...haha
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I certainly have. I just don't own one yet. Had a day on the Verizon one yesterday. Used the T-Mobile for a few hours the day before. My personal AT&T one is coming in the mail. And my original Note is running CM10.

I have to agree, the TW launcher and Note 2 software are spot on. I love CM/AOSP but the stock rom is going to give CM/AOSP a run for the money. Now, if CM/AOSP can integrate the S-Pen features (note, memo, calendar and gestures) then will definitely be moving over, but for now stock (with root) is staying put. Well done Samsung!

Keeping in mind we are all sharing opinions and everyone is very velcome to voice there own. Mine is a torn one. Im very aware of the sweetness custom launchers and roms offer. My conflict is the TW launcher has so much proprietary and necessary fuction in direct relation to the phones core features I feel I woild be missing out on some potential with anything else loaded. I have been useing a modified TW launcher since day one and feel its the best experience. Considering all I have done is removed all bloat and added all the features everyone else has. Then wave around the middle finger to whomever is responsible for ATT borking it in the first place.
As its been mentioned before. If a CM or other shows up with all the TW apps and SPen compatible I would dive right in. Considering Samsung had a good lockdown on anything document related to the chipset I dont see that hapening anytime soon. The CM team has already stated they are not happy about samsungs lockdown and have suggested they might drop it all together to focus on other phones. :banghead:
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Wow. First I've seen of CM thinking of dropping support. I might just return the Note and not even open it then. Where is the best place to go for CM news?

Stock was great and all, but this is the first phone i actually ran a different launcher on it instead of stock. I was just way too annoyed about the icon size and the space between them. Got nova launcher to fix that.

bmstrong said:
Wow. First I've seen of CM thinking of dropping support. I might just return the Note and not even open it then. Where is the best place to go for CM news?
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Says the brainwashed "AOSP OR NOTHING IT PWNZ0RZ" Nazi. Seriously of you're gonna load CM and ultimately kill one of the 3 main selling points (spen) why the hell would you even consider the note 2? Seems like the Droid DNA, where running CM/AOSP wouldn't cost you a single feature, would be a MUCH better choice for you.
As for CM: drop the Note 2. I don't care as ill never use it. All CM does to the note 2 is remove features. Want a "stock" look? Get apex or Nova launcher. Looks like CM and still gives you full spen support.
The note 2 is *****ing fast. It has killer battery life. Those were two main selling points of flashing cm/aosp. What do you gain by flashing cm/aosp? You lose features and can almost exactly replicate the look via a launcher. Its simply not needed on the note 2.
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Err0xx said:
Says the brainwashed "AOSP OR NOTHING IT PWNZ0RZ" Nazi. Seriously of you're gonna load CM and ultimately kill one of the 3 main selling points (spen) why the hell would you even consider the note 2? Seems like the Droid DNA, where running CM/AOSP wouldn't cost you a single feature, would be a MUCH better choice for you.
As for CM: drop the Note 2. I don't care as ill never use it. All CM does to the note 2 is remove features. Want a "stock" look? Get apex or Nova launcher. Looks like CM and still gives you full spen support.
The note 2 is *****ing fast. It has killer battery life. Those were two main selling points of flashing cm/aosp. What do you gain by flashing cm/aosp? You lose features and can almost exactly replicate the look via a launcher. Its simply not needed on the note 2.
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You lost me when you wrote the words “feature" and “S-Pen". I'm also really not keen on being compared to a Nazi.
Obviously, this can get into another pointless forum thread where we waste time and effort and energy posting back and forth. The OP asked a question and I answered with my opinion. You are certainly entitled to yours. And good for you, I'm glad it works for you. I'll move along.

Totally agree, bone stock here. Not even rooted. Haven't found a need to. The device is aces. Samsung nailed it.
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The main reason I flashed a ROM was multi-view. Once the AT&T version gets the multi-view I will probably jump to a rooted stock ROM. The other thing I would miss on stock is the ability to choose the notification toggles.
I am running Nova just because I like a tighter icon layout. Right now I'm on 5x8 (including the dock). Samsung loves adding in little features, I wonder why choosing more layouts wasn't one of the things they added to such a large phone.
I loved AOKP on the S II. Sorely missed a stable build with decent battery life on the One X. But, the Note is a wholly different stock experience.
I chose the Note for the TouchWiz stuff and S-Pen. It really isn't that much bigger than the S III (my coworkers S III + case is bigger than my naked Note). I knew I wanted stuff like smart stay and smart alert. All the stuff I would lose on AOSP bases. Even multi view is coming to TouchWiz JB update to the S II. Samsung has this software down, really brought their A-Game. If I stretch I can only think of two things I would have wanted stock: more freedom in row/column in the launcher, and ability to select and order the notification toggles. Nothing like the laundry list I can come up with about Sense 4+.
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g3 over the S5?

I'm using the s5 now and while it has a beautiful screen and camera, I'm not to impressed with how battery life and ui fluidity. My friends offering me his g3, is it worth switching out based on those metrics? Has the g3 improved in usability with every update or is it just a hopeless mess?

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I'm using the s5 now and while it has a beautiful screen and camera, I'm not to impressed with how battery life and ui fluidity. My friends offering me his g3, is it worth switching out based on those metrics? Has the g3 improved in usability with every update or is it just a hopeless mess?
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Try it for yourself. The lag to me is not really an issue. There ARE slip ups here and there but generally, it performs completely fine and fluidly. It also depends on what is important to you. The G3 is only slightly larger than the S5 but the screen is .4" larger and also sharper (though in most day to day operations, it's not noticeable). The G3 also looks nicer and the software is not nearly as bloated as the S5.
Battery life on the S5 will be better but the G3 can definitely last me a day with no issues. For some people, it will even last two days. If you have access to a charger at work/home, then it's really not an issue at all. I've never been in a situation where I've run out of battery and didn't have access to a charger, not even once.

Not sure about the s5 but I had the 3 and 4 and liked my HTC m8 way more. And the g3 even more than that. I'm actually impressed with the stock launcher.

kingofthebraves said:
I'm using the s5 now and while it has a beautiful screen and camera, I'm not to impressed with how battery life and ui fluidity. My friends offering me his g3, is it worth switching out based on those metrics? Has the g3 improved in usability with every update or is it just a hopeless mess?
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Its worth it! Don't wait until he changes his mind
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Mahapederdon said:
Not sure about the s5 but I had the 3 and 4 and liked my HTC m8 way more. And the g3 even more than that. I'm actually impressed with the stock launcher.
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I'm shocked anyone would pick the g3 over the mighty one m8 lol

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I'm shocked anyone would pick the g3 over the mighty one m8 lol
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Haha. It's a sweet phone. I gave it to my 8 yr old. He's running cynogen 11 and it's perfect. I always buy phones on impulse. Without bootloader being unlocked it's kinda a Bummer but I'm playing with my new arduino and that keeps my flashing rom addiction under control.

The only reason why I didn't get the m8 is because of the poor after sales service and qc of htc. I had two m7s prior and they both had issues.
The s5 is a great phone but I'm not too happy about its fluidity. It always feels it's one step behind your actions. Like a home button press or an app switch would have one second delay. How would you rate the g3 vs the m8 based on fluidity? Almost at 80 percent?

Speed wise the phones are about the same. I used the backup I had from the m8 and using Nova launcher. So the setup looks about the same as the m8 and it acts just as well. Just bigger screen and way better camera. And I did the volume hack. This thing is way louder than my m8. Not the the quality is that great but it's a phone. If you want good sound use headphones or a stereo.

I've never favored Samsung or Apple, always HTC but going from the DNA to the M8 wasn't a worthwhile upgrade to me. HTC has bogged down the Android experience a little too much for me in the last couple years. I went for the G3 because of its sexiness and big screen and what I thought was going to be performance but have experienced a tremendous amount of grief on that front. I won't trade up my G3 just yet but I'm getting to the point where its a viable option and I may consider clone phones like a galaxy. I want fast and fluid and the G3 is just not as responsive as it should be.

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I've never favored Samsung or Apple, always HTC but going from the DNA to the M8 wasn't a worthwhile upgrade to me. HTC has bogged down the Android experience a little too much for me in the last couple years. I went for the G3 because of its sexiness and big screen and what I thought was going to be performance but have experienced a tremendous amount of grief on that front. I won't trade up my G3 just yet but I'm getting to the point where its a viable option and I may consider clone phones like a galaxy. I want fast and fluid and the G3 is just not as responsive as it should be.
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Have you switched to the ART runtime? I did that before installing any apps and my phone is lightning fast. I have yet to experience any of the lag people keep claiming this phone has.

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Have you switched to the ART runtime? I did that before installing any apps and my phone is lightning fast. I have yet to experience any of the lag people keep claiming this phone has.
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No I haven't, all I've heard is that android L will have art and I've used it once on a ROM for my DNA. I don't know the process of switching, only that I will lose xposed modules. How do I go about this?

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No I haven't, all I've heard is that android L will have art and I've used it once on a ROM for my DNA. I don't know the process of switching, only that I will lose xposed modules. How do I go about this?
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Just head over into Developer options->Select runtime->Use ART.
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MarimoMusicHead said:
Just head over into Developer options->Select runtime->Use ART.
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Don't forget to enable developer options first. IIRC you have to tap the build number 7 times in about phone.

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Just head over into Developer options->Select runtime->Use ART.
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I enabled ART and rebooted but its still set to Dalvik.

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I enabled ART and rebooted but its still set to Dalvik.
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Try again. You'll see it preparing apps during boot if it worked. Takes a while.

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Try again. You'll see it preparing apps during boot if it worked. Takes a while.
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Didn't work...perhaps I need to uninstall xposed?

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Didn't work...perhaps I need to uninstall xposed?
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Exactly, you must disable/uninstall Xposed to use ART, otherwise Xposed will switch back to Dalvik

Arkaknio said:
Exactly, you must disable/uninstall Xposed to use ART, otherwise Xposed will switch back to Dalvik
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I uninstalled xposed, noticed all my tweaks revert to stock but still Dalvik is showing in Developer Options

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Try again. You'll see it preparing apps during boot if it worked. Takes a while.
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Trying it now. So the only reason we are not on art yet is app compatibility for all phones?

G3 and htc m8 the best for this year
Don't wait to swap
G3 better than s5

SO! How are you finding your shiney new HTC M9 ?? Is it all you thought it would be?

As the title states.
Personally I love this phone, it's kind of like a really cool car, like an alpha romeo which has it's faults but just for the simple fact of the way it's made and the way it feels, I wouldn't change it.
EDIT: Maybe the battery life
Feel free to have a moan

I love the case I have and the way it perfectly matches the phone. It's a body glove and the phone is the darker one.
Video won't resume when going from the recent apps. It opens then disappears.
I love the speakers on front. When HTC did that year's ago I was amazed. Then I thought everyone should. I think it's crazy stupid not to. Sounds good too.
Screen is OK. I'd like bigger though and way better viewing angle. Gets dark when it's laying flat on my bed and I'm reading the web. I don't want to always hold it.
Keyboard is terrible in my opinion. Samsung works way better for me. I want keys a bit bigger and darker with numbers on top and much better auto correction. Swiftkey didn't work well enough for me.
Performance seems iffy. I mean I don't know if this is how things should be. I had the Verizon GS5 for 6 months like the 5th of this month so I'm used to that phone. Games sometimes jerk and seem to load no faster then on my GS5. They seem to crash much more. Games like the clash games, star Wars commander etc. Those types are all I play.
I want to disable apps I won't use so they're not always running. But this can cause issues maybe.
Battery needs a ton of help. Wish all phones had the power and 5000 mah battery would give.
I prefer Sense a little to tw and others based on color and lines separating options more in setting menus etc. Seems a bit more clean.
Have couple more days to return my phone and I'm not sure if I want to keep this and exchange for another or get a g3 or gs6. G4 not out for awhile still.

@buggs1a I hear you with the battery it isn't great but then I haven't tried to optimise it very much, once I cut out all the dead wood and find the wake locks it should be a lot better. 2 days is a possibility depending on usage. Haven't noticed the playback from video as I use MX player. Give it a whirl and use auto starts to kill off apps

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I love the case I have and the way it perfectly matches the phone. It's a body glove and the phone is the darker one.
Video won't resume when going from the recent apps. It opens then disappears.
I love the speakers on front. When HTC did that year's ago I was amazed. Then I thought everyone should. I think it's crazy stupid not to. Sounds good too.
Screen is OK. I'd like bigger though and way better viewing angle. Gets dark when it's laying flat on my bed and I'm reading the web. I don't want to always hold it.
Keyboard is terrible in my opinion. Samsung works way better for me. I want keys a bit bigger and darker with numbers on top and much better auto correction. Swiftkey didn't work well enough for me.
Performance seems iffy. I mean I don't know if this is how things should be. I had the Verizon GS5 for 6 months like the 5th of this month so I'm used to that phone. Games sometimes jerk and seem to load no faster then on my GS5. They seem to crash much more. Games like the clash games, star Wars commander etc. Those types are all I play.
I want to disable apps I won't use so they're not always running. But this can cause issues maybe.
Battery needs a ton of help. Wish all phones had the power and 5000 mah battery would give.
I prefer Sense a little to tw and others based on color and lines separating options more in setting menus etc. Seems a bit more clean.
Have couple more days to return my phone and I'm not sure if I want to keep this and exchange for another or get a g3 or gs6. G4 not out for awhile still.
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I would return it if I were you. Because much of what you mention, are not real issues, but are areas that just don't meet your desires. The screen is not going to grow, the battery is not going to grow, and the keyboard is what it is. I'm surprised you couldn't find a skin for Swiftkey that satisfied your needs. Also, it sounds like you may have an issue with your phone, as mine is buttery smooth, no crashes.
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I would return it if I were you. Because much of what you mention, are not real issues, but are areas that just don't meet your desires. The screen is not going to grow, the battery is not going to grow, and the keyboard is what it is. I'm surprised you couldn't find a skin for Swiftkey that satisfied your needs. Also, it sounds like you may have an issue with your phone, as mine is buttery smooth, no crashes.
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Although the battery will get better with updates

I'm averaging close to 5.5 hours of SOT on a full charge, but I'm with AT&T and am typically always in an area with a reputable signal. Apart from actual usage, and assuming there are no wakelocks going on, a phones signal is the biggest battery drainer. No signal or a weak signal will keep the phone signal searching and cause more drain on the battery. For this reason, I agree, battery life can be improved thru updates, especially if the radio firmware sees an update.
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Keyboard is terrible in my opinion. Samsung works way better for me. I want keys a bit bigger and darker with numbers on top and much better auto correction. Swiftkey didn't work well enough for me.
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I've been using the Minuum keyboard and have grown to really like it. At times it will frustrate me with it's auto-correction, but what keyboard doesn't? They have a free version to try, so maybe give it a spin.
I'm in agreement that the battery goes quick when power saver is not active. I have a feeling that it will improve with newer versions of Lollipop, Sense and perhaps even changed HTC bits that optimize the phone's performance on the 810 chipset.
Let us know which way you go...

I really like the phone! I had the S6 Edge just prior to this and went to Verizon to turn it in as I suddenly caught the auto rotate bug. The rep said this hasnt been fixed and that if it happens again I would have to go through Sammy to get a new one. Not wanting to do that I looked at the M9 and have been really happy since. It is comparable in almost every way to the S6. I do miss the edge on the edge LOL but that is sort of gimmicky.

I bought the M9 when it first came out and was very dissapointed... the first one was returned for overheating which didnt start well, I was annoyed at myself for impulse buying,. but after picking it up again a few days ago Im actually stating to enjoy it...
The camera has been improved alot (but not amazing) through the 1st firmware update and an updated camera app from the Play Store (Raw Format added) which makes me feel better about it.. although Cam still needs work. Boomsound Music Mode is great, as good as the M8.. and not the reported tinney-ness some reviews are reporting. It just has all the things I loved about the M8. For me though that "Sense Home" widget and start screen.. I dont know how this is a good idea, I find it drains the battery like nothing else, using location and tracking...
So far, battery life seems ok, I get about 2 days on Light to Modersate use - Music, Camera, BlinkFeed, I do actually like BF.. but so far.. Im happy with my M9, really like the added "Themes" engine... a nice touch.
It wouldve been nice to see HTC bump up the screen to 5.2 or even 5.5" @ 1080p (I think QHD screens on a device less than 7" is a bit unnecessary) . Just something to seperate it from the M8 other than a camera and Themes
I just hope HTC can get through this and pull out the stops for the M10.. now that Samsung are leaping their way back from the S5 fall with the S6 and LG with the amazing G4, It aint looking good for HTC. For me, they just didnt try hard enough, they just gave into internet pressure, relaced the camera and hoped for the best.. which wasnt a wise thing to do 3 years in a row from the M7.
M9 for me is looking great, just needs some fine tuning, which will hopefully come in 5.1

I exchanged my m9 for the g3 Friday yesterday. And I don't get it how videos show it has themes, but it don't.

No complaints at all coming from Xperia Z3 to M9. Happy I made the switch.

In fact it is the same feeling
It is too powerful to be contained, which is a really good thing
From the way Htc treats its flagships via software updates, i can see that this powerful machine will be even more optimised and speedy, and will get improvement in every area!
If you are not aware, the Taiwan M9 recieved an update to its base from 1.32 to 1.40 with some massive camera improvements! And it is said that people are getting past the 6 hours screen on time with the latest update, as well as reporting that the phone is a Lot cooler than the 1.32 base
So that is very great news indeed, which makes me feel very optimistic!
You see? Improved battery life, improved thermal management, improved camera performance! This is awesome
And still android 5.1.1 will boost the mobile's general perfromance with a lot of misc bug fixes and enhancements by google. The future is bright for this phone, i see

Mostafa Wael said:
In fact it is the same feeling
It is too powerful to be contained, which is a really good thing
From the way Htc treats its flagships via software updates, i can see that this powerful machine will be even more optimised and speedy, and will get improvement in every area!
If you are not aware, the Taiwan M9 recieved an update to its base from 1.32 to 1.40 with some massive camera improvements! And it is said that people are getting past the 6 hours screen on time with the latest update, as well as reporting that the phone is a Lot cooler than the 1.32 base
So that is very great news indeed, which makes me feel very optimistic!
You see? Improved battery life, improved thermal management, improved camera performance! This is awesome
And still android 5.1.1 will boost the mobile's general perfromance with a lot of misc bug fixes and enhancements by google. The future is bright for this phone, i see
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Im still on 1.32 mate, I'm running Leedroid and I'd rather he got all the issues sorted prior to a release, I've heard good and bad about 1.40, some lag with proximity and opening screen. Camera is improved by all accounts. Will see what happens.
Cheers.

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Im still on 1.32 mate, I'm running Leedroid and I'd rather he got all the issues sorted prior to a release, I've heard good and bad about 1.40, some lag with proximity and opening screen. Camera is improved by all accounts. Will see what happens.
Cheers.
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I guess that's why the 1.40 isn't rolled out to the .401 region

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I guess that's why the 1.40 isn't rolled out to the .401 region
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Not entirely sure as to why it hasn't been rolled out, I can see Lee, leapfrogging this version and going for the next one, the issues at this point appear to outweigh the benefits, besides the camera ofc

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Not entirely sure as to why it hasn't been rolled out, I can see Lee, leapfrogging this version and going for the next one, the issues at this point appear to outweigh the benefits, besides the camera ofc
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That is pure speculation on your part, unless you have some concrete evidence you can link us to.

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That is pure speculation on your part, unless you have some concrete evidence you can link us to.
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Just things I've heard around the threads to be honest. Not speculating at all..
Beyond the apparently improved camera which in all fairness isn't that much of an improvement, the white balance isn't fixed and its still far too sharp, I've heard about random reboots etc, some of this is in Lees thread too
Do a bit of reading and you'll see for yourself, I don't just make things up and I'm not about to continue a heated debate especially when someone is presumptuous towards me.

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Just things I've heard around the threads to be honest. Not speculating at all..
Beyond the apparently improved camera which in all fairness isn't that much of an improvement, the white balance isn't fixed and its still far too sharp, I've heard about random reboots etc, some of this is in Lees thread too
Do a bit of reading and you'll see for yourself, I don't just make things up and I'm not about to continue a heated debate especially when someone is presumptuous towards me.
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I do plenty of reading and what I have seen is improved camera, improved battery life, and a slight improvement performance wise. I'm not looking for a heated debate. I just haven't seen much posted in the way of negatives, yet you say the negatives outweigh the positives, which is why I ask for some links. Now, I'm talking stock. If a developer takes the base and his custom rom causes reboots, that's on him.

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I do plenty of reading and what I have seen is improved camera, improved battery life, and a slight improvement performance wise. I'm not looking for a heated debate. I just haven't seen much posted in the way of negatives, yet you say the negatives outweigh the positives, which is why I ask for some links. Now, I'm talking stock. If a developer takes the base and his custom rom causes reboots, that's on him.
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Do you have a point to make about your phone? Is there something you'd like to share about the m9? Did you read the title of the thread?
You've jumped on other people and have challenged each of them towards their point. But you yourself have said nothing and contributed nothing towards the thread, that's actually trolling, this Is not a thread for that, this is for people to have their say.. How can they do that or want to with you waiting there for everyone? Move on or contribute

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Do you have a point to make about your phone? Is there something you'd like to share about the m9? Did you read the title of the thread?
You've jumped on other people and have challenged each of them towards their point. But you yourself have said nothing and contributed nothing towards the thread, that's actually trolling, this Is not a thread for that, this is for people to have their say.. How can they do that or want to with you waiting there for everyone? Move on or contribute
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I think this phone is beast mode, granted I'm coming from the EVOLTE, but I picked HTC for sound and it's GPU power which is better than its competition. Only thing that upsets me is consumer reviews and the fact that this device got bashed because of the m9+ released in the foreign market and users thinking it was so much better because of a slightly bigger screen and finger print scanner. I just hope this "hero" device they are talking about releasing doesn't deter development on the m9. Just my opinion