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Has anyone else noticed the unusual amount of white epics that are showing up. I have looked on Ebay and craigslist. It seems several people end up with BNIB ads but have a bad esn. How is this possible
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It's brand new in the box... Right off the truck they stole it off of.
Either that or they activate lines to get a discount on phones and think the can sell them but can't bc there is a past due account locked to it, or it was a large fraudulent activation that was able to get them out of the store but the fraud department picked it up.
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I saw one guy who had 4 listings but all were bad esn. I want one but its sort of a gamble
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It just seems like that's the way it is with most cell phones now. When I was looking at the Nexus S 4G, a ton of them were bad esn. I had to really search for ones that said clean esn. At least with the epics, it's easy to tell, as they are about $100 cheaper than their clean counter-parts. Luckily, I scored a good deal on a black on local to me. We met at a sprint store, to make sure everything was a-ok, which should be the recommended way if you are going to buy/sell to someone locally.
Qbking77 did video about website called swappa.com its like eBay (minus the bidding) for androids that's how I got my E4GT (black) on there they aren't allowed to sell phones with out a good ESN
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dongatta said:
I saw one guy who had 4 listings but all were bad esn. I want one but its sort of a gamble
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If the listing is telling you they have bad esn... theres no gamble to it buddy, stay far far away. I just bought mine of craigslist but I met with him at Starbucks while on the phone with Sprint and didnt pay untill I had it activated. Better safe than sorry.
Yeah it's pretty obvious about clean or bad esn I was just surprised to see how many they were and selling for 400 or better with a bad esn
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dongatta said:
Yeah it's pretty obvious about clean or bad esn I was just surprised to see how many they were and selling for 400 or better with a bad esn
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Thats exactly what motivates ppl to get them and sell them bad esn or not, the fact that they sell for so much
But heres an Idea. If you really want a white ET4G without buying it at full retail or good esn price, you can buy a white one with a bad esn and swap the mainboards, then sell your black phone with the bad esn board and enjoy your new white already activated ET4G . Of course you will spend a little more than you get back after selling your black phone, especially if you have to pay for the swap (which shouldnt cost to much 20 - 40 $) but in the end it beats paying retail price!
Just an idea! i dont encourage ppl buying stolen phones so make sure if you do get a phone with a bad esn, that the phone has a bad esn due to some other reason! DONT BUY STOLEN PHONES!
Kchitown1977 said:
Qbking77 did video about website called swappa.com its like eBay (minus the bidding) for androids that's how I got my E4GT (black) on there they aren't allowed to sell phones with out a good ESN
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how does swappa know its not a bad esn?
You can check esn's online.
http://checkesnfree.com/
Turns out my Gnex was stolen from Bell.
I'm on Rogers and my contract is not up for renewal as I just upgraded to the Samsung Captivate last summer.
I went to Best Buy and was told that they don't sell the Nexus without a plan. Fine.
I went to the local Rogers store and they wouldn't have stock for a week. Fine.
I check out kijiji.ca. I found a BNIB Gnex in Northbay. I drove through a raging snowstorm to buy it that night for $600.
Cool! I got a Nexus!
Months go by. Fast forward to this afternoon.
'Hi, I'm constable blah from the Northbay Police Dept. Do you own a Google Nexus?'. I'm thinking to myself, 'oh no, this can't be good...'
I have to turn in my phone by Monday afternoon. AND I'm out the $600. AND I got no phone.
Moral of my sad story, always buy from the store. Not some guy on ebay or kijiji.
What lesson have I learnt. Be patient and buy from a store. Don't be in such a hurry.
Wow, that really sucks.
Ouch, that really sucks. Did they give you any receipt to claim this on your taxes at least?
I'd have said "Yes I bought it, but then I sold it"
Done.
Is it your fault some poor guy got his phone stolen? Or, because its new, a store? Who cares, its not your problem...well it IS your problem now because you admitted to owning it, but whatever.
You payed in honest your hard earned money for a phone you had no idea was stolen so from a moral standpoint I think thats fine.
So now what? Phone gets returned and now that $600 was basically stolen from YOU. Fair right?
You could have just said you bought it but then sold it. Done.
And just because you got ripped off doesn't mean everyone on Kijiji or ebay is bad. I buy and sell all the time through kijiji. Just be smarter about it in the future. Find out where it came from, see the proof of purchase, things like this.
$600, why not buy from Verizon
also, never buy expensive stuffs on Ebay or those second hand web sites.
zeke1988 said:
$600, why not buy from Verizon
also, never buy expensive stuffs on Ebay or those second hand web sites.
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He's in Canada using Bell, so that's a GSM Nexus.
Sucks, one of the reasons I didn't buy from Kijiji. Sudbury eh? I went to high school, college and uni there.
The forums really should be split I'm tired of Verizon users thinking everybody is in the US, not everybody on xda is get over it
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Turns out my Gnex was stolen from Bell.
I'm on Rogers and my contract is not up for renewal as I just upgraded to the Samsung Captivate last summer.
I went to Best Buy and was told that they don't sell the Nexus without a plan. Fine.
I went to the local Rogers store and they wouldn't have stock for a week. Fine.
I check out kijiji.ca. I found a BNIB Gnex in Northbay. I drove through a raging snowstorm to buy it that night for $600.
Cool! I got a Nexus!
Months go by. Fast forward to this afternoon.
'Hi, I'm constable blah from the Northbay Police Dept. Do you own a Google Nexus?'. I'm thinking to myself, 'oh no, this can't be good...'
I have to turn in my phone by Monday afternoon. AND I'm out the $600. AND I got no phone.
Moral of my sad story, always buy from the store. Not some guy on ebay or kijiji.
What lesson have I learnt. Be patient and buy from a store. Don't be in such a hurry.
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Damn that sucks. It is things like that, that make me hesitant on buying things from craigslist/Kijiji and why I always keep my receipt/OEM box in case I do ever decide to sell an expensive device so I can prove to the buyer that they are legit.
There's no way to get your money back? You'd think you'd have a legit claim there, considering there was all sorts of fraud/misrepresentation.
Normally, you would be the bona fide purchaser. If you paid a reasonable price for the item and the item is considered a common good, which it is, you will win in the court of law. HOWEVER, sites like the one you got it from is considered "caveat emptor", meaning buyer beware. Because it is common knowledge that illegal goods may be sold on such websites as that and Craigslist, you are in fact agreeing to that knowledge when purchasing something.
Unless Bell decides to be nice, HA!, they have rightful ownership of the device. The only recourse you have is to sue the seller for fraudulent activities. Good luck with that one.
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For anyone who would like to know, not ALL items have to be returned in this case. For example, cash cannot be returned if it was used to purchase a consumable. Also, something like lumber or bricks that were used to build your house cannot be returned.
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This information is for educational and informational purposes only and should not be misconstrued as legal advice.
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Normally, you would be the bona fide purchaser. If you paid a reasonable price for the item and the item is considered a common good, which it is, you will win in the court of law. HOWEVER, sites like the one you got it from is considered "caveat emptor", meaning buyer beware. Because it is common knowledge that illegal goods may be sold on such websites as that and Craigslist, you are in fact agreeing to that knowledge when purchasing something.
Unless Bell decides to be nice, HA!, they have rightful ownership of the device. The only recourse you have is to sue the seller for fraudulent activities. Good luck with that one.
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For anyone who would like to know, not ALL items have to be returned in this case. For example, cash cannot be returned if it was used to purchase a consumable. Also, something like lumber or bricks that were used to build your house cannot be returned.
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I am not a lawyer and my comments above are only my personal opinions.
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lol if you're not a lawyer I suggest not using such strong language .
It's a simple contracts case w/ fraud, misrepresentation, etc., but since he's from Canada I'd be hesitant to really weigh in with what I think.
Primarily b/c I am a lawyer, but an American one .
cordell507 said:
The forums really should be split I'm tired of Verizon users thinking everybody is in the US, not everybody on xda is get over it
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I am tired of the high and mighty attitude that some GSM users have. So I agree, lets split them. Not everyone is GSM, so get over it.
You could probably file a small claims case for around $75 as an infrequent claimant.
Yes, it does suck. I just realized that to get another Gnex, I have to cough up another $680 to buy one from Rogers.
I'm going to have the world's most expensive $1280 Nexus soon.
No, I'm not lying to the police. I wasn't brought up like that. I'm Sorry you were. Besides, I'm too old to start stirring the pot with the popo, and if I did, it wouldn't be over a $600 phone.
Yes, I do buy other goods from kijiji. I probably will still do so, and yes I will be much more leary and vigilent of possible fraud. And I will probably avoid buying electronics from kijiji though.
Yup, born on the Rock. Sounds like you were too, why the move to the flat part of the country?
What's Verizon?
The officer said if the Judge orders restitution, I may get a refund or the phone back... eventually... like in a year and a half or so. I'm not holding my breath.
Hey, at least I'm not getting charged with possesion of stolen property! There's a bonus!
I looked at Bell and Rogers to see if there was any newer phone that I might upgrade to. No.. the Gnex still has the HD screen and ICS.
So this weekend I'll be buying another one from the Rogers store.
That really sucks. I was saving the $ for long tube headers and dual exhaust for my truck.
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I'd have said "Yes I bought it, but then I sold it"
Done.
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The police obviously traced the IMEI of the phone since it was in use. How else did they know who to call? They called because they knew you had the phone and were using it
That really sucks man and I can honestly say I know how you feel.
I bought 6 Verizon BlackBerry 8830 phones a few years ago to resell them and before I bought them I called Verizon to make sure the ESNs were clear and I was told that they were.
I buy the phones, sell them on eBay, and after a month the seller says the ESNs are bad. I get the phones back after refunding the buyer $1200 (I bought them for $800 I believe) and then I get a call from Verizon saying the phones I had were stolen and then they had the cops call me asking if I had the phones and that I had to turn them in. I told them I bought them from someone else and tried to give a description of the guy and the car he drove but I met him 70 miles from my house.
It really, really sucked. Sorry that you had to go through that, it's a big downer when it happens.
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No, I'm not lying to the police. I wasn't brought up like that. I'm Sorry you were. Besides, I'm too old to start stirring the pot with the popo, and if I did, it wouldn't be over a $600 phone.
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Thank you for being an honest person. If you ever have some kind of donation option to fund your new phone, I'll be the first to pitch in.
Good people shouldn't get screwed over by scammers (I almost was on a completely defective "mint condition" HTC Sensation), but lying will only set you up for some other problem down the road.
Good luck.
Sorry to hear that OP, you seem like a good person that got screwed over by some dirtbag . Any chance you paid by PayPal? They tend to side with buyers. Something tells me you paid cash though
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I am tired of the high and mighty attitude that some GSM users have. So I agree, lets split them. Not everyone is GSM, so get over it.
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No, but he said in his original post that he was on Bell and his phone was a stolen Rogers phone - aka 'not Verizon'. That's zeke's mistake for not reading the post. Still, everyone else in the world uses GSM, so yes, Verizon's got a smaller market and the CDMA Nexus isn't going to be that common in comparison.
Still, lesson learned. Pity the OP can't turn in the seller and maybe get some money back.
No intention to start a flame thread but an honest question. How bad is this phone? I've been trying to sell a NIB factory sealed Black version for a month now with no success. My only thought is that either I'm asking way too much, this phone is junk or the folks on craigs are idiots. I've considered listing in the market place but am more comfortable with meeting the buyer at a Sprint Store so they can verify clean ESN.
Probably the Craigslist people just want their "iphone" this phone is like best phone for me
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Don't take this the wrong way but you may need to bump your MP thread. I looked there yesterday before putting feelers out via WTB thread - had I seen your post I probably would have looked there first.
As for price, can't say anything yet until I see the post. But assuming the GS3 comes out on time I'll bet the E4GT prices will drop pretty quickly - especially with the preorder numbers they're talking about. (E4GT though is on fire with my MVNO - they've run out multiple times already since it went on sale in March)
IMO, This is probably one of the best phones out there right now. You are probably having a whole bucket load of bad luck, or no one in your area needs one at this time...
Lokifish Marz said:
No intention to start a flame thread but an honest question. How bad is this phone? I've been trying to sell a NIB factory sealed Black version for a month now with no success. My only thought is that either I'm asking way too much, this phone is junk or the folks on craigs are idiots. I've considered listing in the market place but am more comfortable with meeting the buyer at a Sprint Store so they can verify clean ESN.
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This is an amazing phone. What are you asking for it?
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Don't take this the wrong way but you may need to bump your MP thread. I looked there yesterday before putting feelers out via WTB thread - had I seen your post I probably would have looked there first.
As for price, can't say anything yet until I see the post. But assuming the GS3 comes out on time I'll bet the E4GT prices will drop pretty quickly - especially with the preorder numbers they're talking about. (E4GT though is on fire with my MVNO - they've run out multiple times already since it went on sale in March)
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I haven't put it on MP yet as I wanted to be able to have the buyer verify the ESN at a local store. Considering I'm listing locally at $125 below Sprint's off contract price you would think I would have received a better offer than a used iPhone 4 (not 4s).
I may have no choice but to list it on MP.
Also, please keep in mind that Amazon is still running the $.01 sale for this device so it's got tough competition in addition to the upcoming GS3 - looked through and saw a few others trying to sell at the $250-280 level and not getting much movement.
And just an update for those looking at pricing - the upgrade/new contract price dropped to $149 on the website. Makes sense but still too high IMO - who wouldn't shell out an extra $50 for the GS3?
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Also, please keep in mind that Amazon is still running the $.01 sale for this device so it's got tough competition in addition to the upcoming GS3 - looked through and saw a few others trying to sell at the $250-280 level and not getting much movement.
And just an update for those looking at pricing - the upgrade/new contract price dropped to $149 on the website. Makes sense but still too high IMO - who wouldn't shell out an extra $50 for the GS3?
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So a factory sealed, NIB, off contract won't sell for $250, that's stupid!!! So in short this phone WAS a waste of money.
Ok i will try to do this in a positive fashion. I have an evo 3d, my son an epic t4g. Both phones are excellent, (more so with touch), but when they are stuck on this less than quality network, the term pos can sometimes apply. But ymmv, it depends upon location. I would not buy either again on a 2 year contract. I use craigslist all the time, items move if priced properly. If you notice sprint items always go for less, the network kills their resale value.
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So a factory sealed, NIB, off contract won't sell for $250, that's stupid!!! So in short this phone WAS a waste of money.
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EBay bro. It'll sell
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EBay bro. It'll sell
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Highest I just saw there ending in past 24 hrs is 330. Might not be a bad idea, market the heck out of it if you go that route!
SII was the best Android phone out for months. Note that I said "was" because that's why you haven't really sold yours yet. There are new phones out that people are probably going for. But I have seen some sold recently for around $250-$300 so it is possible. Try swappa and/or ebay.
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No intention to start a flame thread but an honest question. How bad is this phone? I've been trying to sell a NIB factory sealed Black version for a month now with no success. My only thought is that either I'm asking way too much, this phone is junk or the folks on craigs are idiots. I've considered listing in the market place but am more comfortable with meeting the buyer at a Sprint Store so they can verify clean ESN.
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Put it on swappa send a pm with the link and you might sell it
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Lokifish Marz said:
No intention to start a flame thread but an honest question. How bad is this phone? I've been trying to sell a NIB factory sealed Black version for a month now with no success. My only thought is that either I'm asking way too much, this phone is junk or the folks on craigs are idiots. I've considered listing in the market place but am more comfortable with meeting the buyer at a Sprint Store so they can verify clean ESN.
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Loki, I'm no stranger to you... (orig photon owners )
If you can get past the plasticy, light, and thin feeling you'll be fine. With a non-TouchWiz ROM I'm fine. I'm running CM9 with the MotoInspired theme... look a lot like the Photon now... processor is great...
WiMaxed away from my Samsung® Galaxy™ SII Epic™ 4G Touch™ SPH-D710 running the CyanogenMod9™ Alpha 5-Pre1 with the MotoInspried Theme. (I'm a sucker for a MotoUI but like this phone better.)
Awaiting my upgrade for the Sprint® Samsung® Galaxy™ S III SPH-L710 because it's the SIII and it's on an unlimited data network.
I'm not sure why your having such a hard time selling it. My guess is marketing error or your local market? I just bought my epic touch for 285 a month or two ago
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Wouldn't a better question have been, "why isn't this phone selling", rather than, "how bad is this phone" which is implying something, despite your desire not to start a flame war, which I accept as true.
deedscreen,
I've played with the GSII and it's build doesn't bother me but I'm no longer on Sprint so it was a paperweight.
kawaski47 said:
I'm not sure why your having such a hard time selling it. My guess is marketing error or your local market? I just bought my epic touch for 285 a month or two ago
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My used OG Evo sold for a better price than any offer I have received so the market here must be full of stupid. The best offer I have received was below the contract price and below what a well used iPhone 3GS sells for.
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Wouldn't a better question have been, "why isn't this phone selling", rather than, "how bad is this phone" which is implying something, despite your desire not to start a flame war, which I accept as true.
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I guess in a way you are right but I don't think that way. Unless the people in my area are complete idiots there's now logical reason why the phone wouldn't even sell when priced $200 below the off contract price. The only other conclusion is that there is something seriously wrong with the GSII. Well it looks like the area I live in is full of idiots. I wanted to meet in a Sprint Store so that a buyer couldn't say I sold them a defective/bad ESN phone.
It's all a moot point now as I pretty much gave it away. Yesterday I traded it at a local used phone store for a case and spare battery just to get rid of it. It's kind of screwed up that a used 3GS goes for more than this phone in my area.
$250 - $340 on Swappa. Here is the link. I have bought 2 phones from sellers on Swappa, Both looked new.
http://swappa.com/devices/sprint
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So yeah, I have learned today to always be wary of where things come from, especially on Craigslist.
The story of how I got my Note 2. Normally I buy my phones full price and I found an incredible deal on a white iPhone 5 16GB for a mere $500 at launch date. Fast forward to a few months a so, I found someone selling a brand new wrapped T-mobile Note II. Offered the guy a direct trade, he agrees. Fast forward again to Dec. 26,
BAM!
Found out my phone has been blacklisted. Asked T-mobile about it, they says the owner defaulted on their bill so it was claimed lost or stolen.
Yeah, It was depressing. I though only CDMA carriers enforced the whole IMEI blacklisting thing, but I guess now GSM carriers in the US started blacklisting as well back in November. I never suspected the phone to be stolen or anything, and I was under the assumption that being a GSM phone I'd be ok. Guess not...
Moral of story: When buying phones even if its GSM, make sure its legit and you wont get screwed over somehow. Maybe ask for a receipt so you can track him down and beat his... I mean, have records to be safe and do business near a carrier store.
And now I come to the XDA gods, being that its been 18 hours without my beloved Note II, is it worth me dishing out money to buy full price (again, sorta) and buy another one at the T-Mo store? Or maybe look into newer and better options, if any? I'm leaning towards getting another one but yeah, I need the approval of the internet. :good:
FWIW I sold the Note on Craigslist for 300 ducks, clearly stating that it was blacklisted. Hate being scammed and I wont stoop down to that level.
Yeah, best thing is to call the carrier before purchase, or better yet have them meet you at a tmo store. Sorry ya lost out dude.
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Yeah, best thing is to call the carrier before purchase, or better yet have them meet you at a tmo store. Sorry ya lost out dude.
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Doesnt matter, sure the phone might be good that date but the original owner can stop paying their bill then default on it later, days/weeks/months whenever...
The best thing you can do is get a signed bill of sale with the IMEI number written on there, most craiglist sellers wont do it. actually here... just listen to my story.
So I sold my asus padfone last thursday 12/20/12. And immediately after that I started surfing craigslist for a new note 2 for tmobile, they were running from 550-570 brand new. I contacted MANY MANY people. Maybe 20 or so, everyone first asking if the phone was brand new then telling them I have cash in hand ready and ready to pay if they will sign a simple bill of sale with the IMEI of the phone written on there. Every single one of those 20 declined to sign anything. Now after using a phone I found in my closet (nokia 6800 from 2005) I was getting ancy because I felt like my life was crumbling around me since I didnt have internet on my phone. I went into a small korean owned tmobile store and asked if I could buy a note 2 straight out and how much it would be. They said 700 + tax and I asked if they had any used ones or if they could give me a better price cash. It just so happens that the owner bought a note 2 to test it out like he does all the phones and would sell one for 650 cash with a actual printed bill of sale. So thats how I got mine... got an extra battery, 32 gb samsung micro sd, case and screen protector thrown in for free. So it really wasnt a bad deal...
Damn dude. I would have called the cops & gotten your original phone back.
It's not that they defaulted on the their bill, it's if they defaulted on their eip (financing over 12 or 20 months.) still a bummer!
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I also bought GS3 from craigslist that got blacklisted a week later. Luckily I tracked down the guy who sold it to me and got my money back.
If you could live without a sd slot and removable memory you might want to give Oppo Find 5 a try. If I didn't bought the Note 2 I would have probably gone with that phone.
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That's the risk you take when buying off craiglist or even ebay.
I've had good experience so far on craiglist but my expense never exceeded $300
I would for sure track the guy down with the phone number or email. Also I would file charges with the police. I would go after him with every means possible including small claims court. Sometimes it's not just about the money, but the principle of the matter. Make sure he NEVER does it to anyone else!
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I would try to take this up with Tmobile. If the phone was blacklisted then they know the address of the person that got it blacklisted. If it was stolen it would have been blacklisted when you originally got the phone. Not sure how you would legally go after TMobile but without a doubt if you had TMobile service with the phone and then they blacklisted it they are full of ****. Also you said the phone was "brand new wrapped" did it have the original sticker on the screen? too many times people allow big companies to rip them off thinking they have no recourse. sprint tried that **** with me and with a quick call from my lawyer my contract was ended and i didn't have to pay an etf. BTW i always get the plate number of teh person I buy a phone from. and recently started to take a photo of their DL.
Its a shame that you cant trust anybody these days. Ruins it for the few of us honest people left.
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bad4life07 said:
So yeah, I have learned today to always be wary of where things come from, especially on Craigslist.
The story of how I got my Note 2. Normally I buy my phones full price and I found an incredible deal on a white iPhone 5 16GB for a mere $500 at launch date. Fast forward to a few months a so, I found someone selling a brand new wrapped T-mobile Note II. Offered the guy a direct trade, he agrees. Fast forward again to Dec. 26,
BAM!
Found out my phone has been blacklisted. Asked T-mobile about it, they says the owner defaulted on their bill so it was claimed lost or stolen.
Yeah, It was depressing. I though only CDMA carriers enforced the whole IMEI blacklisting thing, but I guess now GSM carriers in the US started blacklisting as well back in November. I never suspected the phone to be stolen or anything, and I was under the assumption that being a GSM phone I'd be ok. Guess not...
Moral of story: When buying phones even if its GSM, make sure its legit and you wont get screwed over somehow. Maybe ask for a receipt so you can track him down and beat his... I mean, have records to be safe and do business near a carrier store.
And now I come to the XDA gods, being that its been 18 hours without my beloved Note II, is it worth me dishing out money to buy full price (again, sorta) and buy another one at the T-Mo store? Or maybe look into newer and better options, if any? I'm leaning towards getting another one but yeah, I need the approval of the internet. :good:
FWIW I sold the Note on Craigslist for 300 ducks, clearly stating that it was blacklisted. Hate being scammed and I wont stoop down to that level.
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Man, you sold it WAYYY too cheap. If you would've put it on ebay you would've gotten at least 450 AFTER final value fees and shipping cost.
Hmm, now I'm worried. I did a trade from a guy who got it from a guy. Its unlocked. Been working fine for a month and a half...now I'm afraid it will eventually be reported as stolen or some other financial default due to it's shady past.
Great.
Sorry to hear that :/ Would it work on simple mobile if it's black listed on T-mobile? You could also try to unlock it and sell it to someone who uses AT&T...
bad4life07 said:
So yeah, I have learned today to always be wary of where things come from, especially on Craigslist.
The story of how I got my Note 2. Normally I buy my phones full price and I found an incredible deal on a white iPhone 5 16GB for a mere $500 at launch date. Fast forward to a few months a so, I found someone selling a brand new wrapped T-mobile Note II. Offered the guy a direct trade, he agrees. Fast forward again to Dec. 26,
BAM!
Found out my phone has been blacklisted. Asked T-mobile about it, they says the owner defaulted on their bill so it was claimed lost or stolen.
Yeah, It was depressing. I though only CDMA carriers enforced the whole IMEI blacklisting thing, but I guess now GSM carriers in the US started blacklisting as well back in November. I never suspected the phone to be stolen or anything, and I was under the assumption that being a GSM phone I'd be ok. Guess not...
Moral of story: When buying phones even if its GSM, make sure its legit and you wont get screwed over somehow. Maybe ask for a receipt so you can track him down and beat his... I mean, have records to be safe and do business near a carrier store.
And now I come to the XDA gods, being that its been 18 hours without my beloved Note II, is it worth me dishing out money to buy full price (again, sorta) and buy another one at the T-Mo store? Or maybe look into newer and better options, if any? I'm leaning towards getting another one but yeah, I need the approval of the internet. :good:
FWIW I sold the Note on Craigslist for 300 ducks, clearly stating that it was blacklisted. Hate being scammed and I wont stoop down to that level.
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What I would of done is contacted t mobile and told em you want to run the imei number before u bought it. And if they blacklist it still contact the better business Bureau and tell em your story and u will see how fast they change their tone. When someone breaks contract t mobile needs to go after them for all of it.they cant black list it if they gonna collect the retail price for it.
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tbukkos said:
Sorry to hear that :/ Would it work on simple mobile if it's black listed on T-mobile? You could also try to unlock it and sell it to someone who uses AT&T...
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I believe tmo and att are gonna start cross checking their imei database. So if its blacklisted with either company, lets att, tmo's system will be able to see that its blacklisted for att or vice versa. Now im not sure when thatll take effect but I read it on one of the more popular tech blogs I.e engadget, verge..
When I deal with CL now, I request the person meet me at the store just like I did with sprint phones. No other way to do it. Then at that time maybe you can get the rep to document the his/her acciunt stating they sold the phone to you. Idk something...
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Man, now you're scaring me. I've always been super honest on all my Craigslist and eBay posts and done my best to offer tip top service even if I only meet them once. So far I've only been annoyed once by a buyer who negliged on wanting to buy some video cards and wasted my time, but other than that I've been pretty successful in selling things.
To all that are worried about buying phones off of Craigslist:
They only blacklist the phones that are purchased under the EIP. You can call T-mobile with the IMEI to verify that the phone was not purchased under EIP before you buy it. If the phone was purchased subsidized with a classic plan, they can't blacklist the phone for an unpaid bill, because you own the phone. If it was purchased under EIP, you would have to go with the seller to a T-mobile store to pay off the balance to guarantee it won't be blacklisted.
That's nothing I got a warranty replacement device from mdpa insurance which I got when I bought it through wire fly. Worked fine for about a month then It suddenly dropped from tmobile network went to store got three new simcards etc etc. Called customer support then they told me it was blacklisted from it being associated with somebody else's account and the didnt pay there bill so I got screwed. But wait I got if from my insurance company ? So I called them and they sent me out a new one after stating my case. Any ways I got screwed with one through my insurance company so really your not safe a times unless I you buy new straight from a source I.e. bestbuy, tmobile, walmart get me. Cool then buy buy.
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To all that are worried about buying phones off of Craigslist:
They only blacklist the phones that are purchased under the EIP. You can call T-mobile with the IMEI to verify that the phone was not purchased under EIP before you buy it. If the phone was purchased subsidized with a classic plan, they can't blacklist the phone for an unpaid bill, because you own the phone. If it was purchased under EIP, you would have to go with the seller to a T-mobile store to pay off the balance to guarantee it won't be blacklisted.
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You can have a phone blocked for many reasons. Not just lack of EIP payoff. It can be black listed even if the person got the 2 yr contract discount. And more importantly, people can sell a phone that works just fine the day of sale(passing all IMEI checks) then have it blacklisted days later. Buying on CL is a gamble. Also, there is no legal action you can take if someone sells you a phone and then does not pay the EIP. You bought a used phone. It's not stolen because you don't return the phone if you end your service. They just bill you for it. That's the cost of doing business.
Also, ATT and Tmobile are already using the cross check system on our phones. You would have to unlock it and use it on verizon or some network not att tmobile related.
Okay so I went on ebay and craigslist looking for a Note 4 to purchase. I am going to use it as my work phone so I don't really care about the cosmetic condition.
Well I've found some but none in my price range until I found some with a bad esn. I looked online and found a website where you can have it fixed MOD EDIT as long as their is no past due balance.
Is this possible? Anyone know of a legit website?
Probably won't get much help here as most of the time messing with esn is done for illegal reason. Which is why xda doesn't usually mess with it. If you buying a phobe with a bad esn it's either been reported stolen, or they claimed they lost it to insurance. so insurance flags it. Buying either one of these types of phone is technically illegal receiving stolen property or insurance fraud. Good luck
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Major Mobile companys will not activate a phone with a BAD ESN specifically Verizon. Any one who tells u different is a liar or has just gotten extremely lucky. If your looking for a Note 4 to use with Verizon don't buy one with a bad esn. That's the best advice your gonna get. Anything else and your rolling the dice. How many professional craps players do you know?
The reason the ones with the bad esn are in your price range is because they useless 2ne1 who wants to use it as its intended.
Sorry but you are out of luck on XDA as changing ESN or phone identifiers is illegal in the U.S., so discussion is not allowed.
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