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Questions about root, ROMs and this KNOX thing.

So i bought a Note 3 and as I do with all my devices i want to root it, but i am hearing some news things like Knox and alternate root methods.
I have some questions.
1. With knox i understand it voids your warranty if you root, but doesnt rooting always void your warranty regardless?
2. Followup question, if i root and the knox flag is tripped, will it affect me on t mobile 6 months from now when i want to upgrade since i have JUMP?
3. Is the rom flashing and recovery flashing the same as always or has anything important changed?
4. Would you recommend I root now or just hold off?
Thank you in advance.

thehobs94 said:
So i bought a Note 3 and as I do with all my devices i want to root it, but i am hearing some news things like Knox and alternate root methods.
I have some questions.
1. With knox i understand it voids your warranty if you root, but doesnt rooting always void your warranty regardless?
2. Followup question, if i root and the knox flag is tripped, will it affect me on t mobile 6 months from now when i want to upgrade since i have JUMP?
3. Is the rom flashing and recovery flashing the same as always or has anything important changed?
4. Would you recommend I root now or just hold off?
Thank you in advance.
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I can answer number one for you, since yes it does void it no matter what but each flash you do adds to a counter in the phone. Most phones you can just reset it to zero and I believe most roms do flip it back to zero, so they can't see it was rooted. Now with knox efuse the number goes 0x0 to 0x1 and right now you can't reset it and it sounds like you may not be able to ever. I do remember seeing a way to root and not flip it but the moment you do a custom rom it's all over.
With the jump program I don't even think they will look at the phone past does it turn on and is it beat to hell or not, I think the jump program is stupid but that is just me. It's like renting to me. But in short yeah samsung is a ****.

KNOX warranty void

What does this truely mean. I just rooted via ODIN and my flag was tripped 0x1, does the flag geg tripped regardless if you root or install custom roms ?
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Seriously, there are tons of threads on this. You didn't do any research before rooting your phone?
Once tripped it can't be reset. If you planned on flashing roms, there it's no way around reporting the Knox flag. Now that you have already tripped it, you can't go back.
Whether or not it will effect you depends on how you use your phone, software out hardware issues you may have and if you try to get warrantee repair. For many it it's not a big deal.

I did do my research Im just asking a question maybe there was an update on how to change the void but obviously kot . Thanks anyway. Dont get all hyped thats what xda is for
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Hi, I got my note 3 recently and all i have done is just root my note 3 so far. but i have been doing some readings. from what i had found is Knox is a software on your phone, i am guessing and this is just a guess if you use the bloatware remover it might delete the knox program and files from your phone. It might trigger a reset on the counter. I remember reading the list of files it deletes, and it delete all of knox files and folder and a bunch of other stuff but you can edit the script to make it only delete the knox. It might delete the counter or reset it. And you can just reinstall it back and see if the counter is back at 0. remember i am just taking a guess here, does any 1 think this might work?

You cannot reset the Knox flag once it had been tripped.

megaearth77 said:
Hi, I got my note 3 recently and all i have done is just root my note 3 so far. but i have been doing some readings. from what i had found is Knox is a software on your phone, i am guessing and this is just a guess if you use the bloatware remover it might delete the knox program and files from your phone. It might trigger a reset on the counter. I remember reading the list of files it deletes, and it delete all of knox files and folder and a bunch of other stuff but you can edit the script to make it only delete the knox. It might delete the counter or reset it. And you can just reinstall it back and see if the counter is back at 0. remember i am just taking a guess here, does any 1 think this might work?
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Try that and you might blow the efuse they have with removing Knox.
TWEAKED 1.0 NOTE 3

wow didn't know that

megaearth77 said:
wow didn't know that
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It what chain fire was afraid of and reason why triangle away won't work
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krelvinaz said:
Seriously, there are tons of threads on this. You didn't do any research before rooting your phone?
Once tripped it can't be reset. If you planned on flashing roms, there it's no way around reporting the Knox flag. Now that you have already tripped it, you can't go back.
Whether or not it will effect you depends on how you use your phone, software out hardware issues you may have and if you try to get warrantee repair. For many it it's not a big deal.
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So rude all that extra was not really needed on do your research. You were probably once new to something too
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BACARDILIMON said:
Try that and you might blow the efuse they have with removing Knox.
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By just deleting Knox? Pretty sure lots of us have removed it by now and not blown any fuse. I deleted it right out of the box and my phone works just fine...
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Kalm_Traveler said:
By just deleting Knox? Pretty sure lots of us have removed it by now and not blown any fuse. I deleted it right out of the box and my phone works just fine...
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You didn't delete Knox fully or it would not have the counter. Trust me chain fire tried with no success. He has been one of the pioneers in getting things done and could not.
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Can someone explain to me what Knox does and why it get's "tripped"?

BACARDILIMON said:
You didn't delete Knox fully or it would not have the counter. Trust me chain fire tried with no success. He has been one of the pioneers in getting things done and could not.
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I was referring to what I quoted you saying about blowing an e-fuse by removing Knox. I'm not talking about the check component in the bootloader or wherever it's stored - just the software components that are very easily removable, and do not seem to have caused any adverse effects (aside from the arguably undesired Knox 0x1 flag).
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dinggus said:
Can someone explain to me what Knox does and why it get's "tripped"?
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It's a component Samsung decided to build into their new phones and Android builds that is allegedly supposed to be helpful for device security, especially when used with a corporate mobile device system.
Currently, if you flash a phone that has Knox installed with non-factory ROM, Recovery software, etc an at-bootup counter is "permanently" tripped indicating that the device has been tampered with.
I put that word in quotes because we all know with enough time and resources someone will surely figure out a way to reset that counter, if not remove it altogether.
SHORT VERSION: it's a piece of garbage that Samsung and Tmo can use to not uphold your warranty (since it technically voids the entire warranty if you flash custom stuff).

Kalm_Traveler said:
It's a component Samsung decided to build into their new phones and Android builds that is allegedly supposed to be helpful for device security, especially when used with a corporate mobile device system.
Currently, if you flash a phone that has Knox installed with non-factory ROM, Recovery software, etc an at-bootup counter is "permanently" tripped indicating that the device has been tampered with.
I put that word in quotes because we all know with enough time and resources someone will surely figure out a way to reset that counter, if not remove it altogether.
SHORT VERSION: it's a piece of garbage that Samsung and Tmo can use to not uphold your warranty (since it technically voids the entire warranty if you flash custom stuff).
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Guess I'll stay away from Samsung devices then. If I could get a Note 3 that has the camera features and S-Pen, I'd be happy.

Interesting, i got a few question i want to ask. I root my t mobile note 3 recently using the new method that don't trip the knox counter. And i install several apps that require root access. I know if you install custom rom it will trigger the knox, but i won't on my and its still stock at 4.3. My Question is what about apps that require root access? I got ES file explorer, es task manager, game guardian, cachemate for root users free, cpu tuner, and titanium backup, does those trigger the knox? And is efuse short for eletronic fuse? if it is, can't you just replace it to undo the knox?

Apps don't trigger the Knox flag, flashing a kernel roms etc do. Efuse is in the snapdragon processor.

Kalm_Traveler said:
I was referring to what I quoted you saying about blowing an e-fuse by removing Knox. I'm not talking about the check component in the bootloader or wherever it's stored - just the software components that are very easily removable, and do not seem to have caused any adverse effects (aside from the arguably undesired Knox 0x1 flag).
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It's a component Samsung decided to build into their new phones and Android builds that is allegedly supposed to be helpful for device security, especially when used with a corporate mobile device system.
Currently, if you flash a phone that has Knox installed with non-factory ROM, Recovery software, etc an at-bootup counter is "permanently" tripped indicating that the device has been tampered with.
I put that word in quotes because we all know with enough time and resources someone will surely figure out a way to reset that counter, if not remove it altogether.
SHORT VERSION: it's a piece of garbage that Samsung and Tmo can use to not uphold your warranty (since it technically voids the entire warranty if you flash custom stuff).
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It voids Samsung warranty not TMOBILE. So ur good for 1 year
TWEAKED 1.0 NOTE 3

Yes, Knox is Samsung thing, T-mo has nothing to do with it and some people already suggested, T-mo doesn't even check Knox flag for replacements etc, at least so far. I asked here before if it's e-fuse and got different answers, so I ask again : are we sure it's e-fuse or we just speculating? The reason is, there was a guy in international forum claiming Samsung reset his Knox flag, which would be not possible with e-fuse. BTW I just updated my old GS3 to 4.3 and it added Knox to it, so I got mad and rooted it to just to delete this stupid Knox, so now how do I check that flag on it? It says custom because is rooted, but where is the Knox flag?

You see the Knox setting when you put your phone in download mode.
As for resetting the Knox flag, I've not seen a confined resetting of it or better said, if it can be done, no one outside of Samsung has been able to do it and prove they have.

So I've been searching around and have not found out the answer to these questions... I'm assuming the answer is "Yes" to the first but want to confirm:
If the KNOX flag is tripped, the KNOX software will no longer work. Ever (assuming we never get a 0x0 reset). Correct?
Now for the next question, assuming "No":
If I use the RDLV to root without tripping KNOX, will the KNOX software still work?
I ask because my company does have MDM and supports KNOX and I may want to use it in the future.

[Q] chainfire root

Just got two T-Mobile Note 3's and want to root them as I did our Verizon Note 2's.
Was watching the XDA video on using the chainfire method (which I used to root my Note
tablet) and it looks like the way to go.
That video came out in Oct of 2013. The little owners manual thingie that came
with the phones states that any "If unauthorized firmware is placed on the device it will not
work."
Question: Does anyone know if Samsung has buggered up the phone since October
so that the root no longer works, or am I still good to go?
Thanks!

dal71 said:
Just got two T-Mobile Note 3's and want to root them as I did our Verizon Note 2's.
Was watching the XDA video on using the chainfire method (which I used to root my Note
tablet) and it looks like the way to go.
That video came out in Oct of 2013. The little owners manual thingie that came
with the phones states that any "If unauthorized firmware is placed on the device it will not
work."
Question: Does anyone know if Samsung has buggered up the phone since October
so that the root no longer works, or am I still good to go?
Thanks!
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You can root a couple different ways. It depends on if you want to trip Knox or not.

I literally just used chainfires auto-root via Odin and it worked fine
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Beefvvl said:
You can root a couple different ways. It depends on if you want to trip Knox or not.
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Thanks for the response, but I'll admit to being enough of a newbie not to know what you mean by trip Knox?

Knox is new Samsung secure environment, if you start flashing ROMS etc it will trip Knox flag which no one knows how to reset, if it ever can be reset. Samsung can and did refuse any warranty repairs if the Knox flag is tripped. As far as rooting goes if your firmware is below MJ7 I think, you won't trip the flag, if it's MJ7 and above the flag will be tripped I think. For example I have MI7 (last 3 digits of FW build) so I can root, without setting flag. Anyhow, I would suggest you read and learn as much as you can here, before you do something you can't undo.

I really wanted to wait until the 4.4.2 Kitkat update before I root.... but I can't wait.
I think I will cave in and get root this weekend!

[Q] Clarifying questions..

I'm thinking of upgrading from my GS3, non lte, to the Note 3. As I've looked around the forms here, it would seem as though Knox is an added security measure so t-mobile can more easily detect root?
Is there a way to have root without tripping this counter? Is there a way to flash a custom Rom or kernel without tripping it?
If this has been answered apologize, I did look around before making new thread.
Thanks!
Also on a side note, white or black note 3?

t3tr1s_ said:
I'm thinking of upgrading from my GS3, non lte, to the Note 3. As I've looked around the forms here, it would seem as though Knox is an added security measure so t-mobile can more easily detect root?
Is there a way to have root without tripping this counter? Is there a way to flash a custom Rom or kernel without tripping it?
If this has been answered apologize, I did look around before making new thread.
Thanks!
Also on a side note, white or black note 3?
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Knox isn't really for T-mobile to detect root/custom firmware but for Samsung warranty. A fair amount of people on here have stated that they still sent their phones in to Sammy for warranty and they still got their phones fixed. T-mobile really only look for cracked screens, water damage and that the phone powers on and boots up. Not to say you'll never have an issue but i would say it's not really that big of a deal to trip the Knox counter. Especially if you bought the insurance like Asurion. I don't think they even care if your rooted and ROM'd

Awesome. My concern here is that I would be disqualified from the jump program... I'd like to get the Note 4 as soon as it comes out.. Is there currently any way to root and flash a room without tripping Knox? Or can we only root without tripping Knox?

Before this gets locked, yes you can root without tripping knox. As mentioned knox is for samsung to deny repairs if they see fit (if the phone is sent to them). Tmobile could care less if the phone is rooted or not. You just have to be careful about warranty repairs for samsung, thats what they may or may not look at.

t3tr1s_ said:
Awesome. My concern here is that I would be disqualified from the jump program... I'd like to get the Note 4 as soon as it comes out.. Is there currently any way to root and flash a room without tripping Knox? Or can we only root without tripping Knox?
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On the old 4.3 firmware yes you can root with Root De La Vega and not trip the Knox counter but once you put ANY custom recovery it will trip the counter. Now on the OTA 4.4.2 that was released on Wednesday, the only 2 current ways to root (TWRP or Philz CWM) will trip the Knox counter no matter what. So until something comes out like an updated ROOT De La Vega, there's no way to even root without tripping the Knox counter.
Also from what i read, RDLV isn't being developed anymore so unless they decide to do something with it for the all the 4.4.2 releases hitting phones these days there may not be anything for a bit to root without tripping knox.

Jfree3000 said:
Before this gets locked, yes you can root without tripping knox. As mentioned knox is for samsung to deny repairs if they see fit (if the phone is sent to them). Tmobile could care less if the phone is rooted or not. You just have to be careful about warranty repairs for samsung, thats what they may or may not look at.
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That is true for 4.3 but so far you can't on 4.4 from everything I have seen. Do you now of a way to not trip knox on 4.4?

Jfree3000 said:
Before this gets locked, yes you can root without tripping knox. As mentioned knox is for samsung to deny repairs if they see fit (if the phone is sent to them). Tmobile could care less if the phone is rooted or not. You just have to be careful about warranty repairs for samsung, thats what they may or may not look at.
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Did I miss something? Is there a way to Root 4.4.2 without tripping Knox? I don't care I've tripped Knox the first night i had my N3 but I didn't think there was a way. Kningo and RDLV i thought borked the phones and caused bootloops.

My t-mobile store says that if you root your phone then it voids your warranty, so obviously they won't allow me to upgrade... So I know they check for it.. How is it you guys have stores where they don't seem to care?

Is rooting worth it?

I want to root the tablet, but I was told Knox would be tripped if I do. How would having knox tripped affect me with Roms and my general use with the tablet? is there a way to root without tripping knox?

royredman said:
I want to root the tablet, but I was told Knox would be tripped if I do. How would having knox tripped affect me with Roms and my general use with the tablet? is there a way to root without tripping knox?
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Yes it's worth it. You will find it useful as you use your tablet after rooting. Tripping knox will not affect the software and general use. Unfortunately, there's no way that you can root without tripping knox for now. In some countries, a tripped knox bootloader can void warranty. So be sure to contact your local Samsung customer service for enquiries.
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I have not found rooting worth it since before JB.
If you like messing around with alternative OSs it would be. Otherwise I can't find anything I want to do bad enough to potentially void the warranty on a 400 dollar or more device.

For me it's worth it. Gives you the possibility to debloat the standard rom and make the use of Titanium backup possible.

Yes so you can delete/freeze all the crap that Samsung put on their products.

i was really hoping that a simply tool root method would come but who knows now. with the T800 if you root can you still get OTA updates. i undrestand the freezing etc.. problem but what i mean is can you either unfreeze everything or do an ODIN with recovery files or whatever and still get OTA to work?
i ask becuase we have very low dev support (not dissing current peeps because much appreciated) but i would like to not have to wait for devs to get OTA updates. i just want to freeze a few things and install Xposed.

royredman said:
I want to root the tablet, but I was told Knox would be tripped if I do. How would having knox tripped affect me with Roms and my general use with the tablet? is there a way to root without tripping knox?
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It's totally worth it, even if you trip Knox in the process. I don't think I could enjoy my tablet anymore if I had to unroot it for some reason. Greenify is a godsend since the S can be somewhat lacking in battery life, and foldermount let's you actually have games on it without decimating your 11gb of storage space by allowing you to transfer them over to an external micro SD card. Those are just the tip of the iceberg too. Wanam Xposed is also a must have. Tl;dr it's totally worth it. Not just worth it, imperative.

I did Root and tripped konx'a. Guarantee "went to love ', but I hope that the tablet will not break down.

It's definitely worth it. I have adjusted the Max volume of my device to my liking. You cant do that unrooted. Getting rid of bloatwares and using Xposed tweaks are the other things you can do when you are rooted. Plus, i've enable the softkeys and disabled the capacitative keys to be able to hold the tab better in landscape without accidentally hitting the back button. This is very useful when watching a movie. So, it is DEFINITELY worth it.
Warranty only covers factory defect. I havent experienced any of my past samsung devices.

I am using GMD gesture control (instead of the buttons), that alone is worth rooting, imho.
Some people are reporting problems with casing (getting creaks or wobbles). That should still be warranted even with knox tripped. Isn't it?
Main drawback I see, is that OTA updates are not working with knox bit tripped.
But usually we'll move on some custom ROM anyway.