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I'm new to CDMA/EVDO carriers, so I'd appreciate if you could answer some questions with regarding to the technology, Verizon and Droid Incredible itself.
A little bit of a background here. I'm using Nexus One on T-Mobile. Coverage in Chicago has been o.k., but Nexus One itself has reception problem which Google seems to have stopped working on it. I'm planning to get a Mifi from Verizon soon as I need internet connection when I start to travel more.
But I have other idea, getting Droid Incredible, and drop T-Mobile. Tether it with my laptop while I'm on the go.
1:Would it be possible to use data & voice at the same time?
2:I'm planning to get PdaNet or some other app to tether it with my laptop. Should I worry about extra charge from Verizon?
3:What's the difference between corporate (44.99) and smartphone (29.99) data plan? I just need to reach IMAPS,HTTP,HTTPS, and PPTP(GRE) servers. Does Verizon block these on $29.99 plan? (Verizon sales are clueless. They just said $44.99 for business "like big business", and $29.99 is for personal use.
4:Rooting this phone. I assume that it's just the matter of time before it's released. But will there be any problem with Verizon?
5:Given Verizon history about being anal about controlling their phones. Did they block features on previous android handsets in the past? (i.e. no file xfer via BT, pics can only be sent via MMS, etc. etc.)
TIA for your answers. Given Verizon reputation of nickel & dime customers, I'm a little hesitated to switch to Verizon. But for now, it seems to make economical sense to do so, so I just wanted to make sure I understand what I'm signing up for.

1. should be able to afaik
2. you shouldnt need another app for that, youll pay extra through verizon to do it, or root the phone and you can do it without any extra charges
3. id go with the consumer pricing unless you find it isnt working for you, no sense on paying extra if it isnt needed
4. shouldnt be any problem with verizon and a rooted phone, ppl have been rooting droids and eris' since theyve been out
5. i doubt it, verizon cant control what happens to a rooted phone
some of your options may not be available until your phone is rooted, but it would definitely be worth the wait on such a sweet phone

invisiblek said:
1. should be able to afaik
2. you shouldnt need another app for that, youll pay extra through verizon to do it, or root the phone and you can do it without any extra charges
3. id go with the consumer pricing unless you find it isnt working for you, no sense on paying extra if it isnt needed
4. shouldnt be any problem with verizon and a rooted phone, ppl have been rooting droids and eris' since theyve been out
5. i doubt it, verizon cant control what happens to a rooted phone
some of your options may not be available until your phone is rooted, but it would definitely be worth the wait on such a sweet phone
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Actually you can't use voice and data at the same time on VZW, but how often do you really need to?

1. No
2. PDANet will work fine - or once rooted you might not even need that. It's against Verizon's TOS to tether, but as long as you don't abuse it they won't know.
3. Get the cheaper plan - the more expensive plan is just a way for them to milk corp customers. You can use Exchange/etc with the cheaper plan.
4. You should be able to root it no problem once the devs get on it.
5. I don't think so - that's in Verizon's past for Smartphones. Heck I had a Motorola Q years ago on Verizon and I could do whatever I pleased...even tethering with PDANet...

about high prices
Thats why im staying with my nexous one
my wife is with verizon and we got her phone today and its really nice i cant tell at all a difference between the nexous one and the droid but
there basically the same phones
the nexous one is faster but then again it rooted
but i only pay $80 month for unlimited and she is paying $129 for unlimited
i dont care what i paid for my nexous im off contract and dont have to pay 129 dollars a month

I'll hijack the thread for a little question I have and I don't want to open another thread for it.
Are you able to use the widgets that were introduced with the stock 2.1? For example that News & Weather widget or are they fully replaced / not integrated by HTC in the Sense UI?
If not, are you able to add them with apps or alternative OS versions through rooting?

Thanks for the answers guys.
@Zabil : Quite often (when I travel). This is quite an important issue if I am getting this phone as "phone + data card" combo to save $$$
@sn95chico : I've had some problem with incoming call being diverted to voice mail due to background data (GSM, not WCDMA) recently. Just in case you experience this problem, check this thread out : http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=6301190
I read somewhere that for CDMA/1x/EVDO, your phone will still ring when data transfer is in progress, it will only be interrupted once you hit the answer button. This is first and only technological edge that CDMA has over GSM network, IMO. I've always been a fan of GSM/WCDMA network. --- (WCDMA network supports concurrent voice/data. Too bad that there's no 100% WCDMA network in US)
Since concurrent data + voice is impossible, it doesn't make much sense for me to switch to this phone yet. I might just get Verizon or Sprint mifi and be done with it.

[Q] Incred on Sprint

No, I'm not asking when/if the Incred is gonna hit Sprint.
Due to a falling out with Verizon, I'm now with Sprint, and would like to bring the $300 phone over to them (even if I would love to get my hands on an Evo). Now, considering I've never even considered taking an unlocked phone and dropping it onto another provider, I was hoping someone here in the forums may know whether or not it is possible to do so.
I mean, they're both CDMA and Sprint does use Verizon's towers...

It's not possible sadly. Not for any technical reasons, there are no issues there, but Sprint won't activate a phone's ESN number that's not in their system. The ESN contains the model number/vender/etc. Being that this phone is a VZW-exclusive, there really isn't a lot you can do... sorry =/.

DeeBG said:
It's not possible sadly. Not for any technical reasons, there are no issues there, but Sprint won't activate a phone's ESN number that's not in their system. The ESN contains the model number/vender/etc. Being that this phone is a VZW-exclusive, there really isn't a lot you can do... sorry =/.
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HTC is known for releasing phones that are better than and similar to other carriers versions, so i'd try to hold out, HTC releases phones every other month or so too. You can still use the phone as a Wifi only device atleast so its not entirely useless.
also, from the sound of it DeeBG, the ESN seems to be the same as a VIN for a car, didn't know the ESN contained all that info, i thought it was just an id like a MAC I.D. on wireless devices.
As far as them not activating the ESN, a while back they were part of the Open Handset Alliance, as was Verizon, and T-Mobile was also in there, and as far as i've read, Verizon is the only carrier that left it.
An H-SPL* unlocked HTC Touch Pro 2 with Windows Mobile from Verizon can be made to work on Sprint, its just that the 3G won't work (just to give an example)
*H-SPL is the equivelant of Root on Android, except on Windows Mobile OS

Trey_Miller said:
No, I'm not asking when/if the Incred is gonna hit Sprint.
Due to a falling out with Verizon, I'm now with Sprint, and would like to bring the $300 phone over to them (even if I would love to get my hands on an Evo). Now, considering I've never even considered taking an unlocked phone and dropping it onto another provider, I was hoping someone here in the forums may know whether or not it is possible to do so.
I mean, they're both CDMA and Sprint does use Verizon's towers...
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You're chances are about as good as Janet Reno winning a Miss America pageant. Sprint will not activate it as the MEID is not in their database nor would they even remotely entertain the idea of adding it as they can not support it if there are problems.

anything is possible but you are then on your own with no warranty or support from sprint. if you search around you can find how to do it but it is not easy and really not worth it unless you enjoy messing around with programming phones.
best bet is to ebay your INC and get an EVO on sprint. you'll probably come out ahead money wise anyway.

I say try activating it online. It wouldn't hurt to try. Can't speak for Sprint, but I've activated an old MotoQ from Sprint on Verizon's network within the last 6 months or so. So, I at least know Verizon does it. Or maybe they both carried the same phone at one point. But, trying doesn't hurt.
Edit: Comment back here when you figure it out.

Galaxy Nexus on Page Plus? I want that unlimited talk/sms/1GB data for $55

I'm a brand new Galaxy Nexus owner! Actually I bought it for my girlfriend; there's no way I could give up my Note. Anyone know how to get this thing set up on Page Plus? The first thing they asked for is an ESN or MEID #, so I pulled the battery and there's only an IMEI # listed. The customer service rep said they can't do anything without an ESN or MEID; but then how does it work on Verizon? If it works with Verizon, it should work with Page Plus.
I'm starting to worry now, because I also just found a thread here where they're trying the same thing but stuck because they can't find the diagnostic menu for manual programming. Anyone know anything about that? Now that I have it in my hands, I reallllly want to get it working!!!

I like how you bought the phone and then decided to do the research on it.
And why did you decide to go for the Verizon version and go with Page Plus? You'd be better off getting the GSM version anyway and using that. There are many many many more MVNO and prepaid options if you just bought GSM. Its not like you were going to get LTE on any prepaid network anyways. Buying a Galaxy Nexus and parking it on EVDO is kinda ****ty.
That being said, looks like you're gonna have to do some research on this one. My guess is theres an issue because Verizon activates and registers phones on their network using the LTE SIM, rather than traditional CDMA methods (afaik).

Err...Verizon uses the MicroSIM. It contains an MEID number, so it can easily be attached to the network when it's plugged in.
Also, the CDMA/LTE Nexus is carrier-locked, so even if you had an MEID number it wouldn't be allowed on Page Plus' network.
Did you seriously spend $650 without even doing a minute of research?

It was a great deal I couldn't pass up: $300! (though it does have a little road rash on the bottom edge.) That's why I bought it right away without first doing the research. I'm sure I can re-sell it if I have to, but I'd really rather not.
After posting I went to About in settings and found that it does have an MEID #, which happens to be the same as the IMEI, but missing the last digit.
So there's no unlock for it yet? I assumed that it being google's Android flagship would mean almost immediate root and unlock.
Yes, I know I still have some reading to do; I just got home and immediately posted because I couldn't wait!

maxh said:
So there's no unlock for it yet? I assumed that it being google's Android flagship would mean almost immediate root and unlock.
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But its a CDMA phone... Just resell it and buy the GSM model. Save yourself the trouble.

Do you think it might help if I went by a Verizon store and got a SIM card?
martonikaj said:
But its a CDMA phone... Just resell it and buy the GSM model. Save yourself the trouble.
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I will if I have to, but I'm gonna try to make it work first. She's pretty happy with Page Plus (Verizon service) where she travels for work.

maxh said:
Do you think it might help if I went by a Verizon store and got a SIM card?
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How are you gonna convince them to do that when you have no indication whatsoever of signing a contract or using their service? lol.
And that still doesn't remove the fact that it registers on the network with the SIM, which Page Plus (in my reading) does not do, as they don't have LTE.

martonikaj said:
How are you gonna convince them to do that when you have no indication whatsoever of signing a contract or using their service? lol.
And that still doesn't remove the fact that it registers on the network with the SIM, which Page Plus (in my reading) does not do, as they don't have LTE.
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I figured I'd do some sweet talking... And maybe ask to get set up for Verizon prepaid.
So are you saying if you're in an area where Verizon hasn't yet rolled out LTE the GNexus won't fall back to CDMA or EV-DO, or whatever those non GSM people use?

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I figured I'd do some sweet talking... And maybe ask to get set up for Verizon prepaid.
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But their SIM is provisioned for their network. Not Page Plus' network. That's like saying you're going to walk into an AT&T store just to get a SIM, then try to go over to T-Mobile and use their network. That's not how it works.
So are you saying if you're in an area where Verizon hasn't yet rolled out LTE the GNexus won't fall back to CDMA or EV-DO, or whatever those non GSM people use?
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Of course it will. It does EVDO and LTE. Not everywhere has LTE yet. What I'm saying is why deal with EVDO (you'll never get LTE on Page Plus) when you could have HSPA+ with the GSM model.

martonikaj said:
But their SIM is provisioned for their network. Not Page Plus' network. That's like saying you're going to walk into an AT&T store just to get a SIM, then try to go over to T-Mobile and use their network. That's not how it works.
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Page Plus's network is Verizon's network. (though I don't think LTE is included. People on AT&T MVNOs (such as straight talk) regularly get SIM cards from AT&T stores to fix service issues...
I found these guys who claim to flash all sorts of devices including Android for Page Plus, and they have a huge Galaxy Nexus picture front and center; I contacted them and hope it's not false advertising.

maxh said:
Page Plus's network is Verizon's network. (though I don't think LTE is included. People on AT&T MVNOs (such as straight talk) regularly get SIM cards from AT&T stores to fix service issues...
I found these guys who claim to flash all sorts of devices including Android for Page Plus, and they have a huge Galaxy Nexus picture front and center; I contacted them and hope it's not false advertising.
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Yes its the same network, I'm aware of how an MVNO works... what I'm saying is Page Plus doesn't activate phones using SIM cards because it doesn't have LTE or that system in place, whereas Verizon does. Which leads to issues.
Just makes more hurdles. As I said, you're going through extra trouble to just get a EVDO-stuck Galaxy Nexus. But that's your choice...
And ouch, those guys charge $50 to flash your phone? Kinda lame...
Anyways, good luck to you.

maxh said:
It was a great deal I couldn't pass up: $300! (though it does have a little road rash on the bottom edge.) That's why I bought it right away without first doing the research.
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If you (really) ended up with a used, slightly damaged Verizon Galaxy Nexus for that price, and can't use it without signing a contract with Verizon. I say you're pretty much screwed since the price of Verizon's Galaxy Nexus just went down to $99 only.
http://wireless.amazon.com/Samsung-Galaxy-Nexus-Android-Wireless/dp/B0061R2A1S

martonikaj said:
Yes its the same network, I'm aware of how an MVNO works... what I'm saying is Page Plus doesn't activate phones using SIM cards because it doesn't have LTE or that system in place, whereas Verizon does. Which leads to issues.
Just makes more hurdles. As I said, you're going through extra trouble to just get a EVDO-stuck Galaxy Nexus. But that's your choice...
And ouch, those guys charge $50 to flash your phone? Kinda lame...
Anyways, good luck to you.
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Thank you for taking the time to comment in my thread. I started it with hopes of generating conversation that could lead to clues on overcoming the hurdles of putting the GNex on Page Plus. I don't need suggestions for other courses of action; my girlfriend is very happy with Page Plus (and the Verizon network) where she travels for work. I wanted to get her a new phone, the best one that'll work on Page Plus, and I found a smoking deal on it so I bought it.
So what it won't achieve LTE speeds; there's still many other things to like about it, and nothing else will achieve LTE on Page Plus, either. It's a perfectly good plan; not everyone's willing to pay twice as much or more just for LTE, but may still want a top notch phone.
I'll give it a week or two then sell it if nobody can figure out diagnostics mode on it, but I have high hoped.
And if it took paying $50, it'd still be dirt cheap compared to going to Verizon! You'd make that money back and then some on the first month with Page Plus instead of Verizon!

CyberPunk7t9 said:
If you (really) ended up with a used, slightly damaged Verizon Galaxy Nexus for that price, and can't use it without signing a contract with Verizon. I say you're pretty much screwed since the price of Verizon's Galaxy Nexus just went down to $99 only.
http://wireless.amazon.com/Samsung-Galaxy-Nexus-Android-Wireless/dp/B0061R2A1S
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Oh, it'd move. Looking at completed listings on Ebay and craigslist offerings, I'm pretty sure it'd be snatched up rapidly at $300. $99 is with 2-year commitment and those subsidies tend to translate to street value around $350 (i.e. that's the discount you get for signing a contract.) Anyways, I have a habit of giving old devices to friends/family.
Edit: especially with the terms/conditions Amazon puts on top of Verizon's in the contracts...
Edit 2: of course neither I nor anyone else would have to sign a Verizon contract on this phone, since the original guy who got the subsidized price did it.

Anybody know anything more about this yet?

maxh said:
Anybody know anything more about this yet?
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I highly doubt anyone is doing much research on this, since it's such a rare request. Most people will just get the GSM model, if they do not want to use Verizon.
If you have a local shop willing to do this for you, I recommend contacting them - but I wouldn't pay a cent until you've verified functionality.
Cheers

Hi!
I am doing my own research too cause I too own a Verizon Galaxy nexus, and want to get it working with my local carrier in Mexico. Still looking to get it in diagnostic mode but wit no possitive results yet. As always, there will be a solution, but as things are going until now, it could take some time to appear.
And as yomuppet says, dont pay a cent until you see the thing workin!

I'd pay the 50 bucks to get it flash by that website or another site called beige something...
Otherwise you need CDMA workshop.
Look up HTC Thunderbolt on pageplus on these forums and you'll find a video on how to do it on that fone. I image it would be similar process for the sammy

did anyone ever get this working?

I totally understand original posters issue. I like the nexus and would like to get one but I too am a happy pageplus customer and would like to see if there's a way to make it work. Lame that people can't address the issue at hand but instead try to ridicule your decision. I tried setting up the droid charge (also a 4g lte phone) on pageplus but with no success - and ended up selling it. And yes, I walked into the verizon store and asked and they just gave me a sim card. but it still wouldn't register - and I also gave them the imei #minus the last digit. Too bad... I really like the new lte phones but I haven't seen many of then work on pageplus yet. If anyone figures it out, please post it here.

Clone Samsung Juke using HTC Incredible

I'm new, but I have scoured the site and can't find what I'm looking for.
I have a Samsung Juke with a Verizon Wireless plan. I have a spare HTC Incredible that I want to replace the Juke with. Unfortunately when I talked to Verizon they said that if I switch to the Android, I have to purchase the data plan. I'm cheap, and I don't want the data plan as I have WiFi wherever I would need data.
I have already rooted and ROMed the phone using ClockworkMod 5.02, and Stock+.
Is it possible to configure the Incredible to clone the Juke, and just turn Cell data off?
If so, how?

alphawolf0990 said:
I'm new, but I have scoured the site and can't find what I'm looking for.
I have a Samsung Juke with a Verizon Wireless plan. I have a spare HTC Incredible that I want to replace the Juke with. Unfortunately when I talked to Verizon they said that if I switch to the Android, I have to purchase the data plan. I'm cheap, and I don't want the data plan as I have WiFi wherever I would need data.
I have already rooted and ROMed the phone using ClockworkMod 5.02, and Stock+.
Is it possible to configure the Incredible to clone the Juke, and just turn Cell data off?
If so, how?
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I have mine activated with pageplus. Same network (prepaid coverage) and way cheaper

If I understand it correctly, you should be able to switch phones without getting a data plan, as long as you don't buy a subsidized phone (2 yr contract). Go to a store and tell them u just wanna switch phones, and don't have any need for data. This may have changed with their new data rules. If they FORCE you to use a data plan to get mobile access on a phone you own, that's a scam and you should switch to something like what funone46, pageplus

I appreciate the thought to switch to another carrier/plan, however I am situated with a 2 year contract that is up in October this year. Then I'll switch the Incredible to Boost and all will be well. In the meantime, I'd like to swap the Incredible in for the Juke, but I need to know if I can situate the Incredible to receive the calls and texts that would normally hit the Juke.
I know I can do this with the Incredible in place of a Samsung Incognito on Boost, but can I do this with the Incredible in place of a Samsung Juke on Verizon?

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I appreciate the thought to switch to another carrier/plan, however I am situated with a 2 year contract that is up in October this year. Then I'll switch the Incredible to Boost and all will be well. In the meantime, I'd like to swap the Incredible in for the Juke, but I need to know if I can situate the Incredible to receive the calls and texts that would normally hit the Juke.
I know I can do this with the Incredible in place of a Samsung Incognito on Boost, but can I do this with the Incredible in place of a Samsung Juke on Verizon?
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It is probably possible, but im not very familiar with it. You would have to use qpst to grab the esn and settings from the juke, and then use qpst to put the esn and settings on the incredible. I think i know how to do it in theory, but have never actually done so and am not positive if it would even work.

As I said before, I'm new. So I'm not familiar with QPST. I've already downloaded the installation files, but the screen shots look a bit complicated and I wanted to consult before I ventured that far. If I had someone giving me key assistance, I'm game to try it out. As I've said before, the Incredible is an extra phone, so I don't care about screwing it up.
I would be very grateful if you could give me a step by step, even in theory, but if you aren't comfortable, is there someone that you recommend?

[Q] Ting Support?

I currently have a Samsung Captivate on AT&T, and while it is a popular phone that gets lots of rom updates from the community, I fear that it may be reaching the limit of its capabilities due to the single-core processor and limited RAM. I just reached the end of my contract, and I was hoping to save some money by switching to Ting.
If you are not familiar, they offer service on the Sprint network (same towers, same system) on a pay-as-you-go basis similar to Metro PCS. Anyway, I love being able to mod my phone, and I don't want to lose that if I upgrade, and I'm thinking about getting the SIII.
Since all these roms are based on Sprint phones, will they work on Ting automatically or is something special required to make them function properly on a different (yet the same) network?

jamina1 said:
Since all these roms are based on Sprint phones, will they work on Ting automatically or is something special required to make them function properly on a different (yet the same) network?
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I bought my SGS3 directly from Ting. Everything works perfectly. It's a Sprint phone, all the way down to the Sprint logo on the back plate, so in terms of software everything is compatible. In terms of network, there's nothing special about Ting: you're still connecting to Sprint's network (and your phone will even show that you're connected to Sprint, not Ting), so you won't have to do anything special to get ROMs working.
Oh, and if you're only saving "some" money switching to Ting, you're doing it wrong.

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I bought my SGS3 directly from Ting. Everything works perfectly. It's a Sprint phone, all the way down to the Sprint logo on the back plate, so in terms of software everything is compatible. In terms of network, there's nothing special about Ting: you're still connecting to Sprint's network (and your phone will even show that you're connected to Sprint, not Ting), so you won't have to do anything special to get ROMs working.
Oh, and if you're only saving "some" money switching to Ting, you're doing it wrong.
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The reason I ask is that it seems lots of people are trying to flash roms on their devices and having trouble getting the data to work on Ting. Is this something to do with them trying to work with devices that ting currently does not provision, not actual Ting-sourced devices?
Is there something persistent in the hardware that says "I am a Ting Phone" rather than "I am a Sprint Phone" if its software based, I would think a Rom Flash would wipe it away. Sorry for my unfamiliarity - but I've been with AT&T forever so I'm only familiar with the SIM-based GSM system.
And to your comment about "some" money - since I'm currently on a 21% discount through AT&T, and I have to buy a new phone to join Ting, I probably won't save ANY money by switching, unless I stay with them longer than 2 years. If I stick with the status-quo, Ting offers me no financial reason to switch.
My issue is that if I want a new device from AT&T given that they've refactored their plans to require a $40 mandatory data package above and beyond any voice plan, I go from paying about $60 to paying well over $90 and that WILL offer a savings from Ting, even if you factor in the cost of an S3.
So its either I stick with what I have, an outdated phone, or get a new one. How much money I invest to do so is my choice, and I choose Ting.

TBH I'm not very familiar with the underlying workings of the network, I'm just reporting on my experiences. It'd be nice if someone who knows what they're talking about could chime in here.
I see a few threads on the Ting forums where people are getting spotty or non-existent 3G when they bring a non-Ting phone over. I haven't seen anybody reporting problems when flashing ROMs on a Ting-sourced phone. If I've overlooked a thread, please link me to it and I'll investigate.
On the S3, the network stuff isn't stored in any of the partitions that are wiped when flashing ROMs. Unless the ROM is severely misbehaving and writing to these partitions, flashing should be completely harmless.
I see your point about Ting's costs. It certainly does take a while to pay off the initial investment, especially when you've already got a good deal going with AT&T.

Awesome, thanks for the insight. I was worried mainly because the only information I could find about Ting was people having issues, and it wasn't clear whether or not those were Ting devices or others trying to connect to Ting with unsupported devices. The only information I could find was bad stuff, so I was scared for a bit.
Thanks again!

BYOD on Ting
jamina1 said:
Awesome, thanks for the insight. I was worried mainly because the only information I could find about Ting was people having issues, and it wasn't clear whether or not those were Ting devices or others trying to connect to Ting with unsupported devices. The only information I could find was bad stuff, so I was scared for a bit.
Thanks again!
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Also, fyi, Ting is bringing a BYOD (bring your own device) for limited sprint phones next year. They will be using the sprint system to activate them over into Ting. So if you were to buy certain Sprint phones (we don't know which yet) you will be able to use a non Ting phone on ting's "network"(which in reality is sprint...)