I have a Galaxy nexus with Verizon with cm 11, I was wondering if I can take it to tracfone. I called customer service and they told me I can buy a activation code and a sim card and it will work. But I was wondering since I have a custom rom would it work. And if it does can I flash toro roms?
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I have a Galaxy nexus with Verizon with cm 11, I was wondering if I can take it to tracfone. I called customer service and they told me I can buy a activation code and a sim card and it will work. But I was wondering since I have a custom rom would it work. And if it does can I flash toro roms?
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As far as I know verizon does not allow 4G device on tracfone/net10/straight-talk BYOP plans. I would loved to be proved wrong.
I don't think ROM is an issue, but I've read that people had difficult with the initial activation until they flash back to (unroot) stock, activate and then reroot/install custom ROM.
YMMV. Do let us know how it turns out!
I will definitely let you guys know, my contract with Verizon will expire in a few days, I'm so tried of paying so much money for cell phone service. If this doesn't work I will buy a nexus 5 and take it too T-Mobile.
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I tried this - it doesn't work.
a big NO?!?
Well I have been fighting with tracfone for about a month now and only had them erase my account once so not as bad as some times.
I have tried most every permutation as well and am currently trying factory mysid/toro 4.2.2 (JDQ39) with locked bootloader and all I get are busy signals on activation. Tracfone finally says my phone and my LTE sim card are good. Tracfone also says things are ok on their end. Everything looks like it should work, yet no.
Has anyone else EVER gotten a Samsung Galaxy Nexus SCH-I515 to work on tracfone?
Moving a GNex toro from VZW to Tracfone - all done!
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As far as I know verizon does not allow 4G device on tracfone/net10/straight-talk BYOP plans. I would loved to be proved wrong.
I don't think ROM is an issue, but I've read that people had difficult with the initial activation until they flash back to (unroot) stock, activate and then reroot/install custom ROM.
YMMV. Do let us know how it turns out!
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Actually, you ARE wrong; I'm taking my own ex-VZW GNex to Tracfone, and it does NOT have to be stock when you do it.
Tracfone itself is a neutral (CDMA/GSM) MVNO and uses the towers of three providers (T-Mobile, Sprint, and VZW) on a regional basis; the difficulty is that it's easier to port a Tracfone phone number - which you can't do from a feature phone. This is why you need a customized SIM kit (pre-loaded with the target phone's IMEI and MEID). I'm taking a lifeline number issued by Safelink Wireless (Tracfone's lifeline brand - porting such a number is legit), and the IMEI and MEID are hardware-specific - NOT carrier-specific (the IMEI and MEID travel with the phone - and are neither carrier-specific or ROM-specific; other than the stock ROM, I have changed firmware twice, and neither IMEI or MEID changed a whit).
What you have to do is go online and explain the situation to the agent (that you are transferring your existing number to a former VZW Galaxy Nexus); the agent will ask for the IMEI and MEID of the target phone, and confirm that said phone is NOT active on VZW's network. The bigger issue with the SOURCE phone is that - more often than not, it either uses a different SIM (Tracfone sells LTE phones itself; however, they also sell feature phones up to 3G, such as various Alcatel models that don't run Android) or doesn't use a SIM at all (these non-Android Alcatel OneTouch models are in that category). As a backup, grab Tracfone's Transfer Wizard from the Play Store after the ROM changeover (it's a free app).
SIMs for phones are of three sorts - standard (the oldest Android phones, such as our GNex), micro (later, but not necessarily current, such as the Nexus 5 or 6) or nano (Nexus 5X, Nexus 6P, and Pixel, Pixel XL, and Galaxy J3) - the SIM must match the phone! I have a nano SIM for Google Fi - can't use that in a GNex; microSIMs are commonly purchasable, even for Tracfone - however, I can't use THOSE in a GNex, either. Hence I have to go custom. (Turns out I was wrong; the GNex uses a microSIM - I took a picture of it after the swap (the VZW microSIM, that is). When I have enough points, I'll attach the picture I took; it's currently backed up to cloud storage.)
When your SIM kit arrives, you WILL need the number from the source phone - with feature phones (including lifeline phones, such as the Alcatels I mentioned), this will be in the Prepaid section of the phone's menu. There will almost certainly be a "dummy" SIM in the phone you are moving; that is fine; as the Galaxy Nexus does NOT support SD cards at all, that tell you where your new SIM should go.
While you wait
Like a lot of the phones of the same age, the Galaxy Nexus can be used as a tablet while not on anybody's network; further, unlike most tablets, it supports both 2.4 GHz and 5 GHz. This lets you "explore" a bit and find the ideal ROM for you and your apps - not all ROMs , even for the GNex, are the same; between straightforward OS variety and other ROM-specific features, the differences are legion. (Not every user will be comfortable with Unlegacy Android - or even with 7.1, for example.)
My SIM Kit arrived, and it is FULLY compatible with most CDMA (and all LTE) phones from VZW. Even according to the booklets (plural - both English and Spanish), stock firmware is not a requirement. (In fact, I'm doing this with OmniROM 6.0 Security Update installed.). The surprise is that the GNex uses a microSIM (not a standard SIM) - I'll be including a picture of it in a later edit (the original one from VZW). The transfer is, in fact, nearly done; the hiccups were all on the back end - and had mostly to do with a quirk in OmniROM 6.x; the animation of the logo went a bit screwball (it kept not only repeating itself, but interfered with app recognition). It's why I put Unlegacy-Android back on the GNex in question.
If you have issues
This is actually included if the number ports, but hangs between Tracfone and the phone itself (and is referred to via the documentation) - auto-programming mode; you dial (via the Phone Dialer included with GApps) a special number (it doesn't even look like a real phone number, so you can't dial it by accident) and the phone is programmed to your new carrier (Tracfone, in this case) utterly hands-free. (It's also why even if you are running a non-stock ROM (all too likely), it's utterly irrelevant.
Lifeline phones
Yes; lifeline numbers from Safelink CAN be ported this way - in fact, Safelink is specifically covered as a number source - so you do NOT need to purchase an airtime card (either now or for at least a year - my ported number is, in fact, covered until January 2018). Be warned, though; your feature phone will basically become a paperweight.
allcity187 said:
I have a Galaxy nexus with Verizon with cm 11, I was wondering if I can take it to tracfone. I called customer service and they told me I can buy a activation code and a sim card and it will work. But I was wondering since I have a custom rom would it work. And if it does can I flash toro roms?
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Decidedly yes - any ROM you could flash before the move, you can flash AFTER the move; it's still toro-based.
Carrier choice
The very reason I chose Tracfone is that they are neutral - they use multiple carriers (in this area, it is either T-Mobile or VZW) to provide service. The very reason, in fact, I have tried to avoid T-Mobile is due to my ALWAYS having signal-strngth issues with T-Mobile towers (and not just with Safelink; Virgin Mobile USA also uses T-Mobile towers with THEIR feature phones). However, unfortunately, you DO pay a premium in this area to use VZW compared to a neutral MVNO - and you can't get lifeline service directly from VZW (at least here).
ROM choice
ROM choice is NOT carrier-dependent - unless your phone is carrier-locked - which is not, and has never, been true with Tracfone (unless you are talking about feature phones; however, that is, in fact, true of all feature phones, regardless of carrier). You can choose any community ROM that your phone supports - and Tracfone won't care. (My issue with OmniROM has more to do with an animation issue in OmniROM itself - an issue that UA doesn't have - which is why I put UA back on the phone.) Also, I took a good HARD look at the Tracfone TOS - which in no way blocks community ROMs - not even on Android phones sold by Tracfone itself - let alone BYOP. (Also, do you realize that Tracfone sells a LOT of Android phones? Tracfone is, in fact, the largest carrier in terms of HSN phone sales, and trails only VZW on Amazon (and not by much, either). If anything, just in terms of TOS, Tracfone is the most friendly carrier in terms of community ROMs - also, how many US-based carriers even HAVE a real BYOP policy? That you can also port lifeline numbers (the number I ported was a lifeline number) drove the point home with a jackhammer.
The Bigger Issue
The biggest issue I have EVER had with Tracfone is that they tend to rely on T-Mobile towers compared to VZW for feature phones (at least locally) and compared to using feature phones on VZW (which I have done as a former VZW prepaid customer) quite frankly bites - especially in the exurbs. I haven't gone urban with the phone itself since I moved the number; however, I will before Christmas; we will see if the service improves. (Voice service - not data; since I won't be using cellular data at all; why would I when I have access to Comcast's network of hotspots at a cost of none?)
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allcity187 said:
I have a Galaxy nexus with Verizon with cm 11, I was wondering if I can take it to tracfone. I called customer service and they told me I can buy a activation code and a sim card and it will work. But I was wondering since I have a custom rom would it work. And if it does can I flash toro roms?
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I have taken several i515 and a Maguro to Tracfone with many different ROMs ...Tracfone uses Verizon Towers for activation...the only thing Tracfone needs is the MEI number to activate not what ROM you're using...Not Verizon is a different story...sometimes they want you back on stock ROM to activate...some people just like to cause trouble...LOL
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rm571 said:
I have taken several i515 and a Maguro to Tracfone with many different ROMs ...Tracfone uses Verizon Towers for activation...the only thing Tracfone needs is the MEI number to activate not what ROM you're using...Not Verizon is a different story...sometimes they want you back on stock ROM to activate...some people just like to cause trouble...LOL
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VZW is that way because they do in-store/dealer activation; Tracfone does not. Further, Tracfone allows for DIY (automated) activation; sensible, since they also allow for BYOD - again, this is something that VZW does NOT do. I don't hate VZW (or even Verizon as a company); in point of fact, in most cases, I recommend VZW for prepaid and NEW hardware because of the strength of their network and towers (compared to anyone else - especially T-Mobile). VZW's lowest-common-denominator is the salespeople in the stores and dealer network (like used-vehicle salespersons); Tracfone doesn't have any of that to deal with. If you're familiar with community ROMs, I can recommend Tracfone and especially if VZW has towers in your vicinity (because - unless T-Mobile has an exclusivity deal in your area - which is darn unlikely - you will be on VZW's towers for LTE); quite frankly, VZW beats T-Mobile with Da Ugly Stik for LTE or CDMA (somewhat understandable, as T-M is still a GSM network at heart - ex-VZW LTE gear - and especially phones - prefers CDMA for voice, as VoLTE isn't out yet). Before I walked into the world of Android, I had been using exclusively feature phones (with VZW, Virgin Mobile, and later Tracfone/Safelink). That gave me the opportunity to evaluate all the carrier networks for connectivity with as little money risk as possible. VZW won there with Sprint a surprising second.
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I've seen a lot of threads about different devices on other networks, but I haven't been able to find an answer on this question. I've seen pictures of the back of Sprint SGS3s compared to VZW, AT&T, T-mobile, etc and I know it doesn't have a SIM card slot - but I've only seen this in reference to global capability. I also know the Verizon is locked, but obviously that is only important from going Verizon to a different carrier. How does this apply when going from a different carrier to VZW?
I have a company phone on Sprint, and a personal cell phone on Verizon. I just got a new phone on Verizon, but it isn't working (the screen doesn't turn on 95% of the time) and didn't get insurance on it. I do, however, have an upgrade available through my company Sprint phone. Sprint's service is awful in Phoenix, though - so I'm hoping to be able to get an SIII through Sprint but use it on my Verizon plan. Is this possible?
Thanks!
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I've seen a lot of threads about different devices on other networks, but I haven't been able to find an answer on this question. I've seen pictures of the back of Sprint SGS3s compared to VZW, AT&T, T-mobile, etc and I know it doesn't have a SIM card slot - but I've only seen this in reference to global capability. I also know the Verizon is locked, but obviously that is only important from going Verizon to a different carrier. How does this apply when going from a different carrier to VZW?
I have a company phone on Sprint, and a personal cell phone on Verizon. I just got a new phone on Verizon, but it isn't working (the screen doesn't turn on 95% of the time) and didn't get insurance on it. I do, however, have an upgrade available through my company Sprint phone. Sprint's service is awful in Phoenix, though - so I'm hoping to be able to get an SIII through Sprint but use it on my Verizon plan. Is this possible?
Thanks!
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I honestly don't know but I know Sprint phone went with with Verizon's lte
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I have an unlocked Sprint Samsung S6 and I'm trying to get it to work on Verizon but it doesn't want to work. It shows an exclamation and R where the signal bars are. I have tried setting up the APN and a Verizon rep put the sprint phone in their system, but that didn't work either. Is there any way to get this to work? Do u have to flash Verizon's Rom to it? I noticed that even unlocked it still seems to have the sprint activation stuff..... Please help, scoured the Internet and forums to no avail :/
If you actually got the phone activated onto your line on Verizon, you will need the Verizon PRL on the device for it to show it connected natively to its towers (the 'R' is a roaming indicator...your device is seeing the Verizon towers as roaming since it loaded with a tower list with Sprint towers prioritized). Verizon is still CDMA, so you will need the proper PRL flashed to the phone for it to work, first & foremost, along with your NAM information and all of the Verizon data settings flashed in place of the Sprint data settings. With regard to CDMA switching from Sprint/Sprint-based to Verizon/Verizon-based, there is more to it than merely an ESN swap (activation by an agent) & inserting a SIM.
I am not here to hold your hand through the flashing of anything, but I'm letting you know what will need to be done. These phones have different model numbers for a reason (unlike "hybrids" like newer Nexus devices, newer iPhones & the recently released Moto X Pure). These different models are designated per carrier and the bundled carrier software for many CDMA devices is used in its OTA programming. Sprint devices typically are packed with MSL/SPCs unique to the device and needed to edit the internal NAM & data settings while Verizon branded counterparts have 0s instead of uniques codes. If this is all over your head, you may need to seek the assistance of someone or a company familiar with flashing to get you going if you are hellbent on using THAT device. Good luck.
worked for me but not stable
I also have the s note 5 from sprint and been trying to make it work on verizon. After so many tries in the mobile network setting i got it to partially work. it still have the R symbols on top, which shows your roaming but you will get a 3g speed. My current setting is
Settings>Mobile Networks>Network mode >automatic
Settings>Mobile Networks>data roaming>Roaming network>automatic
Settings>Mobile Networks>data roaming>Roaming guard> all off
Settings>Mobile Networks>data roaming>everything else on
you also have to use the verizon app settings.
i've also tried flashing the prl but had no luck. Any suggestion on how will be appreciated.
So, how about an idiot's guide for making this happen?
If I need help from a vendor, how about posting some referrals, what needs to be done, and how much is fair to pay?
I am a self-professed newb and I just want to take the Sprint S6 that I own outright to Verizon.
Especially because I paid full price for the S6, and Sprint's service sucks inside my building.
Thanks .
What VicFreeze said above is 100% correct, you would have to reprogram/flash the phones CDMA chip/radio and even Verizon will not be able to do so (legally or maybe not smart enough to know how), you want to be on Verizon you need to get one of their phones. Your phone is a G920P, the P is specific to Sprint and the phone has been flashed internally to know the MIED, MDM/MIN, PRL and login passwords for their networks along with the MSL Code direct from the Samsung factory just for Sprint.
So Yeah you can change all this by reprogramming the CDMA chip inside the phone, first you need professional software that will cost $$$ hundreds of dollars, software like CDMA workshop, QPST or DFS will work, learning to use this software is not for newbies, you will also need to get the information from Verizon to flash their carrier specific codes and numbers into the phone, it's not like swapping out your SIM Card like a GSM Phone and your on a different network, this is CDMA and its why Sprint/Verizon use this, its to lock you down. (no, that's not why)(LOL)
Just Google "Carrier programming on CDMA phones"..
I think it would be cheaper to sell your Sprint phone and just get a Verizon phone and save yourself a lot of hassle. Get a G920V, its already flashed with Verizon Codes to access their LTE Network from the Samsung factory (Hence the V is specific for Verizon). Verizon's sales staff might not even know what a CDMA phone is so would you really want them to reprogram it??
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I have an unlocked Sprint Samsung S6 and I'm trying to get it to work on Verizon but it doesn't want to work. It shows an exclamation and R where the signal bars are. Is there any way to get this to work? Do u have to flash Verizon's Rom to it? I noticed that even unlocked it still seems to have the sprint activation stuff..... Please help, scoured the Internet and forums to no avail :/
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VicFreeze and MindTricks sound dead on in there advice. One thing I am pretty sure about unless someone corrects me is .... even though Sprint and Verizon are both CDMA, they operate on different frequency bands which is probably why your getting the 'R' for roaming. CDMA Workshop has the ability to change the radio frequency. I think the two companies also encrypt or code their voice and data traffic and you need the software flashed that has their specific decoders or encryption software for the device to work on their system. I am not sure if the specific radio software changes any of this or not. I am not even sure is CDMA Workshop is compatible with newer Samsung phones now as two years ago I programmed my Sprint HTC EVO 4g to work on my Virgin Mobile talk and text plan without much trouble but have not been able to get CDMA Workshop to connect to a Galaxy Grand Prime as of late. What I did two years ago was easier since Virgin runs off of Sprint Service Towers. Having a ROM compiled for Verizon may help but things have changed. What I did with the EVO two years ago ..... the ROM had Sprint radio files compiled with it. I am not sure if some of those files are separated in the system now on more modern devices as ..... back two years ago Sprint was EVDO and not their LTE uses a SIM card to work. So, things have changed and keep changing and evolving. One thing is sure, is almost every year Service Providers along with device manufacturers are changing what they do and how they do it.
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So, how about an idiot's guide for making this happen?
I just want to take the Sprint S6 that I own outright to Verizon.
Especially because I paid full price for the S6, and Sprint's service sucks inside my building.
Thanks .
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That's what everyone would love to do but at times proves more hassle than what it is worth. this is why there are sites like Swappa and eBay where you can sell your phone for close to competitive price and pick one up a device that is a comparable condition for the service provider you want to swich to for about a break even price or not much more out of pocket.
I dunno if this thread is dead but process should go something like this.... flash factory binary firmware checking "auto-reboot, nand erase, and F.reset" options. Once it boots enable developer options and oem unlock and usb debugging (then do a factory reset from settings menu). Then you can flash the CSC from Verizon stock. Placing VZW .pit file in appropriate section. Then you can flash the BL,AP,CP files from VZW rom. Personally....this seems like alot of unnecessary work with a great chance for missing something. Might be better to root sprint device and manually install vzw modem files, apns.conf, prl, telephony.db.....better yet why not just flash a custom rom from twrp. thats just one zip file in twrp.
I don't know what I've done differently, but I currently have and use without any problems a Sprint G920P on the nations most reliable network… Verizon. I can tell you that I didn't have to jump through all or any of the hoops that others in this post have outlined. I will tell you what I did ; Flashed G920p with Bigdaddy PL3 Aroma V1.x ,TWRP-3.2.1.0, SuperSu-v2.82, and 3.10.61_Stock_Modified_Kernel_By_Aurora_Rom [email protected]#1. Phone has been unlocked by Idonne apps. I believe that last bit has a lot to do with my success. there is a setting in his app if the phone is to be used on a CDMA network or a GSM network. And not to discredit the person that discouraged you from having a Verizon employee help you but it was he that figured out how to make Verizons system find my phone. Not sure exactly what he did but I saw him take his company phone out of his pocket and scan the sticker on the back of it into the system saying "we will just make the system recognize it". Voila, worked perfectly and continues to operate without flaw on their network. I do get a roam "R", but checking settings indicates that I am not roaming. I live on the border to Canada so it is to be expected, but not the case. As far as Network, device says Preferred Network instead of Verizon. It could say your name for all I care as long as it works! Hope this sheds some light on it for you without having to make all of those unnecessary changes. One last note.... the salesman did say that mine is the first Sprint Device that he has seen on their network.... I guess that makes me special huh? Lol...
I have been under the impression for a long time that Verizon phones are unlocked, and had a tech tell me this - contracts stay in effect, but phones are free to come and go. So I took my N7 (for which I pd full retail, no contract) to a prepaid carrier and was able to use it with their SIM for a couple of weeks. It took help from a tech to configure the APN settings, but things worked fine. I did get a constant message in the status bar: not a Verizon SIM. Today the phone will not work, even though it shows many 4G bars, and says: No SIM or SIM not recognized. This message pops up every time I try to dial. I called the prepaid carrier and they said they are sure that Verizon has locked the phone and I should call them to unlock it. (Right!)
I don't know if it's a coincidence, but this happened right after I ordered a cell extender which requires the purchase of its own SIM. At first I thought there must be some confusion involved with this, but tech said he was sure it was a Verizon lock. Any ideas or information? Thanks!
Yes, the Verizon N7 is carrier unlocked; however, this isn't necessarily a prerequisite to using a pre-paid carrier's service if they're already using the same CDMA frequencies (in which case, their most likely just "leasing" their service from Verizon and reselling it as their own - these companies are called MVNO's (Mobile Virtual Network Operators) and there are plenty of them out there).
What I think is most likely happening is that Verizon is temporarily deactivating your SIM card, as if it were a Verizon SIM, due to the fact that you're still using the Verizon Note7 firmware. You have a couple options here:
If you have another phone, and another SIM card, you can do like the rest of us are doing and reactivate the other phone with the other SIM and then pop it into your N7. This will restore service to your Note7 and release the "hold" on the previous SIM, so that you can repeat the process with that card next time Verizon does one of their sweeps (appears to be a weekly event). A pain in the ass? Yes. But, after doing this a few times, I've gotten the process down to about 5 minutes. I just need to make sure I have my spare phone (a Verizon Note 4) nearby wherever I am.
Because the N7 is carrier unlocked and is capable of operating on either CDMA networks (Verizon & Sprint) or GSM networks (T-Mobile & AT&T), you can flash another carrier's firmware (like T-Mobile) and use their pre-paid service, or the pre-paid service of a MVNO that operates on GSM (like Simple Mobile). I use T-Mobile as an example because I know that they are not... yet... disabling SIM Cards (temporary or otherwise), but I can't say, with certainty, that the other two are not either. I do know that all of them have pushed firmware updates to permanently disable the ability to charge the Note7, so, if you go this route, you want to make sure you flash the firmware released circa mid-late October and then do whatever is necessary to block all subsequent updates.
Hope this helps,
Matt
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Yes, the Verizon N7 is carrier unlocked; however, this isn't necessarily a prerequisite to using a pre-paid carrier's service if they're already using the same CDMA frequencies (in which case, their most likely just "leasing" their service from Verizon and reselling it as their own - these companies are called MVNO's (Mobile Virtual Network Operators) and there are plenty of them out there).
What I think is most likely happening is that Verizon is temporarily deactivating your SIM card, as if it were a Verizon SIM, due to the fact that you're still using the Verizon Note7 firmware. You have a couple options here:
If you have another phone, and another SIM card, you can do like the rest of us are doing and reactivate the other phone with the other SIM and then pop it into your N7. This will restore service to your Note7 and release the "hold" on the previous SIM, so that you can repeat the process with that card next time Verizon does one of their sweeps (appears to be a weekly event). A pain in the ass? Yes. But, after doing this a few times, I've gotten the process down to about 5 minutes. I just need to make sure I have my spare phone (a Verizon Note 4) nearby wherever I am.
Because the N7 is carrier unlocked and is capable of operating on either CDMA networks (Verizon & Sprint) or GSM networks (T-Mobile & AT&T), you can flash another carrier's firmware (like T-Mobile) and use their pre-paid service, or the pre-paid service of a MVNO that operates on GSM (like Simple Mobile). I use T-Mobile as an example because I know that they are not... yet... disabling SIM Cards (temporary or otherwise), but I can't say, with certainty, that the other two are not either. I do know that all of them have pushed firmware updates to permanently disable the ability to charge the Note7, so, if you go this route, you want to make sure you flash the firmware released circa mid-late October and then do whatever is necessary to block all subsequent updates.
Hope this helps,
Matt
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Thanks. It does help and that makes sense. What was odd was that I was still able to access internet (not wi-fi, but network showing 4 bars 4G). I got a new SIM today and when I popped it in, same thing. Are you saying I would have to activate the SIM on a second phone (currently N5 still with Verizon while I prepare to leave them) before putting it back in the N7? Just keep switching SIMs back and forth?
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Thanks. It does help and that makes sense. What was odd was that I was still able to access internet (not wi-fi, but network showing 4 bars 4G). I got a new SIM today and when I popped it in, same thing. Are you saying I would have to activate the SIM on a second phone (currently N5 still with Verizon while I prepare to leave them) before putting it back in the N7? Just keep switching SIMs back and forth?
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It's kind of a crappy solution, and one that I doubt will continue to work forever (or, at least until the N8 is released)... but yeah. That seems to be the only work aground right now.
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It's kind of a crappy solution, and one that I doubt will continue to work forever (or, at least until the N8 is released)... but yeah. That seems to be the only work aground right now.
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Yes, and it's a whole crappy situation. I can accept the recall, but not the hotlining by Verizon. I have learned from this I will never buy a phone from a carrier again. Should have bought non-carrier specific directly from Samsung.
I've been wanting into the oneplus ecosystem of insanely good development for awhile, but unfortunately am stuck with Verizon in my area. Any chance this will be the phone that supports Verizon bands?
Unfortuately, the leak shows no band 13: https://forum.xda-developers.com/oneplus-5t/how-to/oneplus-5t-leak-t3703244
You can read more if you like as to what that means as that was the same with OnePlus 5: https://forum.xda-developers.com/oneplus-5/help/verizon-compatibility-t3623695
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I've been wanting into the oneplus ecosystem of insanely good development for awhile, but unfortunately am stuck with Verizon in my area. Any chance this will be the phone that supports Verizon bands?
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You can really give up on version support. CDMA is a hard area to get into as most of the phone functions are not open source and licensing is always an issue. Will just have to wait for Version to get off of the old standard and use something that isnt 50 years old.
I was looking at this but in same boat with Verizon.. pulled trigger on the PH-1.. cant beat it for the price
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You can really give up on version support. CDMA is a hard area to get into as most of the phone functions are not open source and licensing is always an issue. Will just have to wait for Version to get off of the old standard and use something that isnt 50 years old.
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Licensing of CDMA is a trivial issue, many unlocked phones are now offering it including VERY inexpensive phones from Motorola.
For many of us Verizon is a requirement, not an option. It's the only carrier I can use that doesn't constantly lose LTE service. So in a way, their LTE network is more advanced, more built out. All of my voice and data traffic travels over LTE on Verizon 99%+ of the time.
Glad to have CDMA as a backup plan, even though my phone hasn't fallen back to CDMA in a long time. It does sometimes in the mountains where only 1.228 MHz CDMA slices work well. Verizon will get rid of it when the world is ready, there's nothing technically stopping them today, they would just lose some of their coverage advantage.
Was interested in the OnePlus 5T, but will happily keep using my Pixel 2 so that my phone actually has service where I live and travel. Where Verizon uses "50 year old technology," other carriers often has no service at all.
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Licensing of CDMA is a trivial issue, many unlocked phones are now offering it including VERY inexpensive phones from Motorola.
For many of us Verizon is a requirement, not an option. It's the only carrier I can use that doesn't constantly lose LTE service. So in a way, their LTE network is more advanced, more built out. All of my voice and data traffic travels over LTE on Verizon 99%+ of the time.
Glad to have CDMA as a backup plan, even though my phone hasn't fallen back to CDMA in a long time. It does sometimes in the mountains where only 1.228 MHz CDMA slices work well. Verizon will get rid of it when the world is ready, there's nothing technically stopping them today, they would just lose some of their coverage advantage.
Was interested in the OnePlus 5T, but will happily keep using my Pixel 2 so that my phone actually has service where I live and travel. Where Verizon uses "50 year old technology," other carriers often has no service at all.
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A trivial thing yet soo many dont or cant do it. You also have to remember that CDMA is only used by Verizon and sprint along with a few smaller carriers. The rest of the world uses GSM.
That is already starting with them working with ATT to build new towers.
I could say the same for where I live. Here ATT is your only option. Nothing else works here.
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A trivial thing yet soo many dont or cant do it. You also have to remember that CDMA is only used by Verizon and sprint along with a few smaller carriers. The rest of the world uses GSM.
That is already starting with them working with ATT to build new towers.
I could say the same for where I live. Here ATT is your only option. Nothing else works here.
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Fair enough, every location is different. I just think phone manufacturers choosing to omit CDMA is more a numbers game than complexity. The Snapdragon chips/modems support it, antenna tuning is not an issue since the phones already run on those bands, etc. If Motorola can ship a $99 unlocked unsubsidized non-prepaid phone with CDMA, surely OnePlus could have put it in the 5T. Perhaps it would have been $519, though, and they wanted to hit that $499 price point. Who knows.
Isn't the Tillman deal just adding another lease operator similar to American Towers and Crown Castle? Most towers in our area are owned by those two with multiple operators on them, though we have a ton of Verizon micro cells in town that are seemingly build directly by Verizon. Outside of town there seem to be a lot of towers with JUST Verizon or AT&T on them, and that's where the coverage differences really start. Will the Tillman towers be LTE-only?
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Fair enough, every location is different. I just think phone manufacturers choosing to omit CDMA is more a numbers game than complexity. The Snapdragon chips/modems support it, antenna tuning is not an issue since the phones already run on those bands, etc. If Motorola can ship a $99 unlocked unsubsidized non-prepaid phone with CDMA, surely OnePlus could have put it in the 5T. Perhaps it would have been $519, though, and they wanted to hit that $499 price point. Who knows.
Isn't the Tillman deal just adding another lease operator similar to American Towers and Crown Castle? Most towers in our area are owned by those two with multiple operators on them, though we have a ton of Verizon micro cells in town that are seemingly build directly by Verizon. Outside of town there seem to be a lot of towers with JUST Verizon or AT&T on them, and that's where the coverage differences really start. Will the Tillman towers be LTE-only?
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Eventually yes. LTE is the next step. This is why Verizon has been using LTE Sim cards for the past few years. They are slowly having to convert as CDMA tech is just too old and limited for the direction of mobile connections.
Motorola has a stake in doing it. China also uses a few old CDMA setups. They also have the money to pay the licensing and what ever price Verizon charges to test the device and work with them for putting the needed software on it. Remember the base phone functions for CDMA tech us not open source. Not even in Android.
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Eventually yes. LTE is the next step. This is why Verizon has been using LTE Sim cards for the past few years. They are slowly having to convert as CDMA tech is just too old and limited for the direction of mobile connections.
Motorola has a stake in doing it. China also uses a few old CDMA setups. They also have the money to pay the licensing and what ever price Verizon charges to test the device and work with them for putting the needed software on it. Remember the base phone functions for CDMA tech us not open source. Not even in Android.
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Ahh yeah, I forget about the Verizon testing/certification fees. Was interesting that Essential released the phone before Verizon approved it (of course they paid the Qualcomm royalties, though), and then said later that it was certified to run on Verizon. People already were using them, but not using Verizon's official provisioning page that fixes Visual Voicemail and such upon activation, so there were quirks. Considering this, I suppose it would be quite a pain for OnePlus to go through the Verizon testing/certification for a relatively small amount of customers on the world stage.
zelendel said:
You can really give up on version support. CDMA is a hard area to get into as most of the phone functions are not open source and licensing is always an issue. Will just have to wait for Version to get off of the old standard and use something that isnt 50 years old.
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Poor effort...if essential can manage to do it while being a way smaller company OP can do it especially when their owner is Oppo.
The fact is they don't want to..for whatever reason..it's not about money, they have it..it's not about time, they have had it. So let's stop with those excuses.
From Pete Lau:
As for our carriers, OnePlus will partner "if we can find the right fit," according to Lau, who suggested that OnePlus fans on Verizon reach out to their carrier to get Verizon "to come to us."
"If we can keep creating good products and getting a lot of positive word of mouth from our users, and have the users push Verizon to come to us, that will make things a lot easier," he said.
Source: http://uk.pcmag.com/oneplus-5t/92062/news/pete-lau-wants-you-to-trust-oneplus
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Unfortuately, the leak shows no band 13: https://forum.xda-developers.com/oneplus-5t/how-to/oneplus-5t-leak-t3703244
You can read more if you like as to what that means as that was the same with OnePlus 5: https://forum.xda-developers.com/oneplus-5/help/verizon-compatibility-t3623695
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I'm not sure where you live exactly but I was on Verizon for over 10 years and finally dumped them so I could get the oneplus 5. I switched to cricket which uses AT&T's network and I get at least 99% of the coverage I did before.
Unless you are truly in the sticks I bet a GSM network would work fine for you. I live in North Dakota so believe me when I say we are not the first to get new cell technologies by any means.
I sold y oneplus 5 while watching the launch event and am now patiently waiting for tomorrow so I can order the 5T.
With Verizon's LTE network being to a mature state I find myself on CDMA MAYBE once every six months. Could this be used on Verizon as an LTE only device if you already have an active sim? Also, I see band 13 is not supported, is this not supported in the hardware or is the band support there and it is just disabled currently? If the latter is the case is there any chance it could be enabled by devs in the future? Really liking and wanting this phone but work pays for my service and only offer Verizon and I'm cheap and don't want to buy a plan just to get the phone. Thanks for anyone shedding some light on this.
I ordered this not knowing it was not fully compatible with VZW's network. It's a shame as this thing looks like a beast. I just cancelled my order.
Oh well, I have too many phones anyway.
Yesterday I said "screw it" and reordered the 5T. I got a plan with T-Mobile. If I can get good signal, I'll switch as all our other phones over since T-Mobile is much cheaper than VZW.
Just to clarify - does voice and sms work on Verizon? I'm on T-Mobile and one of the places I visit has Verizon coverage not T-Mobile. I carry a payg phone for those visits. Don't need data just the ability for people to reach me. Be nice if I could use my 5T for that.
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Just to clarify - does voice and sms work on Verizon? I'm on T-Mobile and one of the places I visit has Verizon coverage not T-Mobile. I carry a payg phone for those visits. Don't need data just the ability for people to reach me. Be nice if I could use my 5T for that.
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Voice does work. It does through 1x and you will get 3g most of the time. Not sure about MMS or SMS though.
This is likely a stupid question but I'm wondering since its a dual SIM if you can have a T-Mobile and a VZW SIM installed? Would that allow voice for VZW?
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This is likely a stupid question but I'm wondering since its a dual SIM if you can have a T-Mobile and a VZW SIM installed? Would that allow voice for VZW?
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Not stupid, and yes it does. I had a Tmobs and VZW SIM in a Oneplus 5 and it worked well together. But the VZW service is very poor.
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Hi all,
I have in my hands an unopened G960F/DS. I was considering this phone to replace an old model, it's long due. I thought I did my homework and was able to determine this phone worked on Verizon in the US, but a serious note on the box and further research suggests I may have been wrong. Although it would be nice to have new hardware, I am replacing the old one almost entirely out of a desire to flash a custom ROM on it. I was under the impression the lack of CDMA support wasn't a big issue given that Verizon (and everyone else) is phasing out CDMA and the phone still had LTE. Thus my choice of the F/DS. I am informed that opening the box and returning the phone will incur a charge, while keeping the box sealed and returning it will not. I am trying to decide to continue forward and test on Verizon's network here in the US or just return the thing, the choice lies in compatibility with this network. So now I get to play a guessing game.
I find myself in 4G LTE areas most of the time. I want to use data and make voice calls.
This 2-post thread suggests not much can be done:
https://forum.xda-developers.com/galaxy-s9/help/sm-g960f-verizon-network-t3856443
This guy demonstrating slower speeds, which I'm not too concerned about, but also HSPA+ in an area he usually gets LTE. In the video description he says after applying a software update it works 'fine':
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pkNXCK2iVO8
This site lists some band compatibility but doesn't say anything about not being able to use it with Verizon:
https://apn.gishan.net/en/apn/verizon/samsung-galaxy-s9
This site also lists band compatibility but warns about Verizon's strict device policy:
https://www.frequencycheck.com/carr...e-samsung-star/verizon-wireless-united-states
Is there any hope to use an unlocked S9 on Verizon in the US? I see this going one of several ways: 1) Everyone works out and I can make calls and use data and there are no issues and rainbows and unicorns 2) Data in certain places, no voice because something something "VoLTE" 3) Absolutely no data/voice whatsoever 4) I switch carriers I return this piece of junk and buy a phone that works. (might coincide with 2/3)
If I end up with (4), how can I avoid this issue in the future? I spent some considerable time deciding on this model, which has the features I want and an unlockable bootloader. Will the S10 have this issue? What about the Note 9? I apologize for the noobposting, and if I missed a thread that answered this question. Thanks for any help you can provide, I sincerely appreciate it.
Edit: This thread asks a similar question but isn't specific and neither are the answers:
https://us.community.samsung.com/t5/Galaxy-S9/Unlocked-galaxy-S9-on-Verizon/td-p/277493
I have been using a G965f/ds on Verizon Wireless.
VoLTE, vowifi, text, and data work after rooting.
Having done a speed test with a U device and on the g965f/ds, the speed I can receive seems equal.
I haven't had issues with making LTE calls in my area.
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I have been using a G965f/ds on Verizon Wireless.
VoLTE, vowifi, text, and data work after rooting.
Having done a speed test with a U device and on the g965f/ds, the speed I can receive seems equal.
I haven't had issues with making LTE calls in my area.
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Thanks for the feedback. Are you based in the US? How did you activate the phone? I found instructions on LTE activation here:
www . verizonwireless . com/businessportals/support/how_to_use/activate_4g_lte.html
And an IMEI checker, which fails when I enter what I find on the box my phone is in:
www . verizonwireless . com/od/prepaid/bring-your-own-device/#/checkDevice
Edit: It also looks like they have a second page that checks IMEI (this also fails for me). Can you tell me what either of these pages say when you enter your IMEI?
www . verizonwireless . com/onedp/byod#/
I reside in the US.
The imei of my g965d/fs failed when inputted in to their system;however, the SIM is all that's needed for Verizon wireless to work on it. Initially, though, you might need to insert the SIM card into another imei Verizon wireless compatible device only to allow the system to have that imei in the system for your number. Since, you already have vzw, I'm assuming you already are activated on it with a device, so moving sims is the next step.
Thanks for your input. Anyone else have experience with this device on Verizon's network?
I could have written this exact post.
jmtroth said:
Thanks for your input. Anyone else have experience with this device on Verizon's network?
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I am trying to do the same thing with the same model Note 9, SM-N960F/DS. I was told by Verizon Level 2 tech rep that simply installing an activated SIM would make the phone work, obviously 4gLTE only since there are no CDMA bands. He checked the 4 bands Verizon uses for their 4gLTE and the F/DS model has all 4 of them.
I am in the same boat as you though. IF I try it and it doesn't work I have to return and lose $125 or switch to GSM network (AT&T or TMO) I am also trying to decide whether to take the gamble. This Level 2 Tech guy didn't mention anything about having to root the phone.
I would also like to know about the advisability of attempting this. I thought I read somewhere that this phone won't have any warranty in US anyway but I am not 100% sure about that. Sellers seem to want to gloss over that issue.
I'm very very interested in this
to put this to bed, you cant use any F galaxy phone on verizon and get full usage. vzw is a CDMA based carrier whereby voice is transmitted primarily via CDMA and data over GSM (which includes voLTE, obviously). The F model do not have CDMA radios in them. You CAN get data to work and therefore voLTE as long as you can flash the vzw CSC to get the phone to install the voLTE app. Long story short, dont try it. Its a fruitless endeavor. I mean, do what you want, i guess, but dont expect for the F to work well, or at all on vzw. There is nothing anybody on xda or anywhere can do to alleviate that.
I had straight talk using Verizon towers on note 8, my note 8 broke, I missed flashing custom ROMs, I bought a note 9 n960f, read online it would work too. I inserted sim. Did not get data or calls. Flashed custom ROMs found a lineage is rom that worked with data for like 2 min then quit. I kept Singapore rom csc stock radios I guess from Singapore, guy on here said he flashed Singapore stock Odin flash and ended up making his work but didn't work with my straight talk Verizon sim. My buddy came over and he uses visible network on Verizon towers we popped in his sim and it worked flawlessly on stock Singapore csc/flashed custom rom from xda. I switched, it's cheaper, it works and first month was 5$ no fee to transfer my number over. Visible is great, join a group and it's 25$ a month.