[Q] Knox out of the box? - Galaxy Note 10.1 (2014 Edition) Q&A, Help & Troubl

Hi all,
I am getting a 2014 Note 10. SM-P6000 Octa Core variant for Christmas. I recently also got a Galaxy S4, on the S4 when i got it i downloaded the OTA without paying much attention and of course going from 4.2 to 4.3 put KNOX on there..... I'm hoping that with the Note I'll get the chance to avoid taking any OTAs and avoid KNOX entirely. However what I wanted to know was if Knox was default for the Note? Can we avoid tripping the flag yet? On the S4 it is still not known for sure whether or not an efuse is in use? Do we know if there is an efuse on the Note? Is the rooting method that has currently defeated knox on the note 3 also working on the Note 10.1? Finally I suppose the final question I have is if i hold out on rooting it and whatnot will we EVER be able to bypass KNOX or remove it WITHOUT tripping the the counter? Sorry if these questions are noobish and or answered elsewhere.
Thanks
LordKoga

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[Q] locked bootloader and knox

Hi all
Quick inquiry and I didn't see an exact answer to a question that I have. So I have a note 3 rooted and knox flag currently set to 0x0. I was reading I think on here and some other fourms that knox has locked the bootloader. I want to flash a custom recovery and I know it will trip the knox flag. Is the bootloader locked already or am I able to load custom recovery without any issue?
Do you have the T-mobile version? If so, then no, the bootloader is NOT locked.
Flashing a custom recovery WILL trip the Knox flag though.
idtheftvictim said:
Do you have the T-mobile version? If so, then no, the bootloader is NOT locked.
Flashing a custom recovery WILL trip the Knox flag though.
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Hi. I kind of in the same situation.
I am a Note 2 user since it came out and have tried many ROMs without problems. I recently upgraded to Note 3 and I haven't touched anything (rooting and flashing) because I remember reading before about some problems with Knox and eFuse or something. I got a T-Mobile note btw.
Do I have to treat Note 3 differently when rooting and flashing because of this knox, efuse issues?
I tried to look for a clearer answer but I'm still hesitant to proceed. Or is the process the same as rooting and flashing ROMs on Note 2?
Also, I have a Jump insurance with TMO, is this going to have some problem if later I have to claim replacements or upgrade? Thanks a lot. Really appreciate the help.
jinda628 said:
Hi. I kind of in the same situation.
I am a Note 2 user since it came out and have tried many ROMs without problems. I recently upgraded to Note 3 and I haven't touched anything (rooting and flashing) because I remember reading before about some problems with Knox and eFuse or something. I got a T-Mobile note btw.
Do I have to treat Note 3 differently when rooting and flashing because of this knox, efuse issues?
I tried to look for a clearer answer but I'm still hesitant to proceed. Or is the process the same as rooting and flashing ROMs on Note 2?
Also, I have a Jump insurance with TMO, is this going to have some problem if later I have to claim replacements or upgrade? Thanks a lot. Really appreciate the help.
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Well, from where we are right now with the Knox counter, if you flash ANY ROM or Kernel, then the Knox will trip, and will void your warranty. You can root using Root de la vega, or Kingo root without tripping the Knox counter.
I am not sure from a T-Mobile standing if they will give you a hard time with warranty if the Knox is 0x1. I have tripped my Knox counter, and have Jump also, but I honestly don't care. I am sure that SOMEHOW in the future we will be able to reset the Knox counter....I hope anyways.
Did that answer your question?
idtheftvictim said:
Do you have the T-mobile version? If so, then no, the bootloader is NOT locked.
Flashing a custom recovery WILL trip the Knox flag though.
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I have note 3 with tmobile. Thanks for the help
idtheftvictim said:
Did that answer your question?
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Yes you did! Thanks a lot. Important thing is at least I can root. I think I'll be happy with the stock TW, I'll just install some launcher instead.
But I need root for TB and other stuff.
Thanks!

[Q] Clarifying questions..

I'm thinking of upgrading from my GS3, non lte, to the Note 3. As I've looked around the forms here, it would seem as though Knox is an added security measure so t-mobile can more easily detect root?
Is there a way to have root without tripping this counter? Is there a way to flash a custom Rom or kernel without tripping it?
If this has been answered apologize, I did look around before making new thread.
Thanks!
Also on a side note, white or black note 3?
t3tr1s_ said:
I'm thinking of upgrading from my GS3, non lte, to the Note 3. As I've looked around the forms here, it would seem as though Knox is an added security measure so t-mobile can more easily detect root?
Is there a way to have root without tripping this counter? Is there a way to flash a custom Rom or kernel without tripping it?
If this has been answered apologize, I did look around before making new thread.
Thanks!
Also on a side note, white or black note 3?
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Knox isn't really for T-mobile to detect root/custom firmware but for Samsung warranty. A fair amount of people on here have stated that they still sent their phones in to Sammy for warranty and they still got their phones fixed. T-mobile really only look for cracked screens, water damage and that the phone powers on and boots up. Not to say you'll never have an issue but i would say it's not really that big of a deal to trip the Knox counter. Especially if you bought the insurance like Asurion. I don't think they even care if your rooted and ROM'd
Awesome. My concern here is that I would be disqualified from the jump program... I'd like to get the Note 4 as soon as it comes out.. Is there currently any way to root and flash a room without tripping Knox? Or can we only root without tripping Knox?
Before this gets locked, yes you can root without tripping knox. As mentioned knox is for samsung to deny repairs if they see fit (if the phone is sent to them). Tmobile could care less if the phone is rooted or not. You just have to be careful about warranty repairs for samsung, thats what they may or may not look at.
t3tr1s_ said:
Awesome. My concern here is that I would be disqualified from the jump program... I'd like to get the Note 4 as soon as it comes out.. Is there currently any way to root and flash a room without tripping Knox? Or can we only root without tripping Knox?
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On the old 4.3 firmware yes you can root with Root De La Vega and not trip the Knox counter but once you put ANY custom recovery it will trip the counter. Now on the OTA 4.4.2 that was released on Wednesday, the only 2 current ways to root (TWRP or Philz CWM) will trip the Knox counter no matter what. So until something comes out like an updated ROOT De La Vega, there's no way to even root without tripping the Knox counter.
Also from what i read, RDLV isn't being developed anymore so unless they decide to do something with it for the all the 4.4.2 releases hitting phones these days there may not be anything for a bit to root without tripping knox.
Jfree3000 said:
Before this gets locked, yes you can root without tripping knox. As mentioned knox is for samsung to deny repairs if they see fit (if the phone is sent to them). Tmobile could care less if the phone is rooted or not. You just have to be careful about warranty repairs for samsung, thats what they may or may not look at.
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That is true for 4.3 but so far you can't on 4.4 from everything I have seen. Do you now of a way to not trip knox on 4.4?
Jfree3000 said:
Before this gets locked, yes you can root without tripping knox. As mentioned knox is for samsung to deny repairs if they see fit (if the phone is sent to them). Tmobile could care less if the phone is rooted or not. You just have to be careful about warranty repairs for samsung, thats what they may or may not look at.
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Did I miss something? Is there a way to Root 4.4.2 without tripping Knox? I don't care I've tripped Knox the first night i had my N3 but I didn't think there was a way. Kningo and RDLV i thought borked the phones and caused bootloops.
My t-mobile store says that if you root your phone then it voids your warranty, so obviously they won't allow me to upgrade... So I know they check for it.. How is it you guys have stores where they don't seem to care?

SPH-L520 Knox Recovery Question

HI all,
Just upgraded from an S2 > S4 Mini and I'm trying to get a grip on this Knox thing. I do not care about the warranty on my phone one bit, so will it prevent me from installing a custom recovery/rom/etc at this point? Like I said, I don't care if the flag trips to 0x1. Unfortunately my phone appears to already have the OTA update so it does have Knox on it for sure. Thanks!
albumleaf said:
HI all,
Just upgraded from an S2 > S4 Mini and I'm trying to get a grip on this Knox thing. I do not care about the warranty on my phone one bit, so will it prevent me from installing a custom recovery/rom/etc at this point? Like I said, I don't care if the flag trips to 0x1. Unfortunately my phone appears to already have the OTA update so it does have Knox on it for sure. Thanks!
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Feel free to look
here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/galaxy-s4-mini/development, and
here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/galaxy-s4-mini/orig-development
I've seen S0be has a working CM in progress.

Samsung Galaxy S4 latest update 4.4.4 NH7 root?

I just got my new S4 recently and I took the 4.4.4 update that was avaliable for it. I have been reading on here for hours about how if you root it/upload custom boot loader it'll trip knox.
Could someone answer me a few questions. I would really appreciate it!
Does knox matter if you don't have a warranty etc?
Is there a way to go ahead and root 4.4.4/NH7 without tripping knox or at all?
Also, is there custom boot loaders and all that for this update as well?
1) nope.. only if it still has Samsung warranty
2) not at the moment
3) no, they are not needed
Someone reset Knox on note 3 exynos.......

What IS a Knox Counter

Sorry for the noobish question, but I keep hearing about this Knox counter thing on the Root Bounty threads, that people will pay extra if it doesn't trip Knox.
Can someone tell me WHAT Knox is, what it's significance is to the phone and to rooting/flashing?
JOSHSKORN said:
Sorry for the noobish question, but I keep hearing about this Knox counter thing on the Root Bounty threads, that people will pay extra if it doesn't trip Knox.
Can someone tell me WHAT Knox is, what it's significance is to the phone and to rooting/flashing?
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I'm not sure... all I know is I learned to fear anything Knox
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Knox is built in security that samsung has created. problem is that when you root, it trips a knox counter so samsung or verizon can simply power the phone into the bootloader and see knox is tripped, and right away know the device is rooted, which voids any warranties.
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jayochs said:
Knox is built in security that samsung has created. problem is that when you root, it trips a knox counter so samsung or verizon can simply power the phone into the bootloader and see knox is tripped, and right away know the device is rooted, which voids any warranties.
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Can Knox be removed somehow? Have other phones with Knox been successfully rooted without tripping it?
JOSHSKORN said:
Can Knox be removed somehow? Have other phones with Knox been successfully rooted without tripping it?
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No, knox can not be removed. It also can NOT be reset. Yes, phones have been rooted without tripping knox. I had my Verizon Note 3 rooted and knox was not tripped.
Basically, here's how I explained it to a friend. Think of knox, as a saftey line keeping you from opening your car's hood. Your warranty is fine as long as you don't mess with the engine. You decide to cut that line, and pop the hood. That's tripping knox. If you tried to modify the engine and ended up blowing it up, yeah, you ****ed up! However, if didn't touch the engine, and then later had your car's horn stop working, it doesn't matter. Because you popped the hood, your engine car's warranty is GONE!

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