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CleanROM is designed with a purpose in mind; Be Fast, Be Smooth, Be Stable, Be CLEAN!
CleanROM is not loaded down with unnecessary tweaks or themes.
CleanROM is for retail Note 3's with Safe Strap Installed! It can also be used on the Developer phone by flashing a stock nc2 Kernel
CleanROM is powered by SuperSU by @Chainfire
Seriously Debloated!
Unlocked tether (You don't have to be on a tether plan to use it)
Able to turn off camera shutter sound off
init.d support
Essential S-Pen Apps remain
FS Trim on install and reboot
init.d support
Stock Android Setup
Nexus 6 Ringtones
Stock Samsung Boot Animation (bye bye VZW)
Stability that is nothing short of legendary!
Version 2.0.0 - Official Release - 12/5/2014
Rebuilt on Verion 4.4.2 NC4 base but requires NC2 Kernel
Removed Almost all Verizon and Samsung, and Google Bloat. Some bloat can be added back in via flashable zips in post #2. Others can be downloaded in play store.
Essential S-Pen Apps remain
Removed more bloat and logging than in the Beta test
FS Trim on install and reboot
init.d support
Updated all apps
Stock Android Setup
All new posts start HERE!
Must be unlocked with Safe Strap Recovery 3.75 by Hashcode HERE!
Ensure you have NC2 Kernel
Copy ROM to storage
Reboot to Recovery
Select Stock ROM slot
Factory reset (for best results)
Flash ROM
Reboot to System
Profit!
Chainfire, BeansTown106, Hashcode
Download HERE!
MOD EDIT: Download link removed with OP's permission.
Please hit Thanks and Rate the thread 5 Stars
Donations are greatly appreciated but not expected!
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Important Info!
You must install the complete Safe Strap Recovery version 3.75. Recommend installing on Stock Slot. Make back up FIRST!
Tether will work with or with out a plan. It still uses your data. Of course Verizon knows your tethering. Its there network!
Cant see your accounts in settings? Switch to "Tab View"
Additional Downloads
All Add-Ons can be found here: [Add-Ons] - CleanROM 2.x Add-Ons (Removed / Optional Apps)
Awesome to have you back Scott.. CleanROM's are always smooth and run great...
Yes sirrr!!! Glad to see you here Scott...and thanks
Sent from my SM-N900V using Tapatalk
Gunthermic said:
Awesome to have you back Scott.. CleanROM's are always smooth and run great...
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And this one is no exception :angel:
ravenseb said:
Yes sirrr!!! Glad to see you here Scott...and thanks
Sent from my SM-N900V using Tapatalk
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Your Welcome!
Edit, NVM on your site i found a direct download link, thanks!
Dennisg34 said:
AHHHH WELCOME BACK!!!! I secretly knew you couldn't resist coming back
any way you can upload the zip from another site? Goo has been down for awhile now
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Damn man, it was just up a few minutes ago, lol
I temp linked it to my personal server...
Its moving out quickly...
Try again...
Ok, I put up the direct link on my server on www.scottsroms.com
and I also posted a Dev-Host Mirror in the OP under the "Downloads!" if people have problems getting to my site.
I will probably try to upload to AFH before I go to bed...
Enjoy!
Will any future versions be compatible with the developer edition?
Sent by Osmosis
MotorcycleMike said:
Will any future versions be compatible with the developer edition?
Sent by Osmosis
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Post #2 states that this would actually work on the Dev Phone as long as you have the stock kernel, its just not supported by me because I dont have the dev phone.
I generally own support devices I own. I own the retail / non dev phone.
Look forward to some donations when I get home later after work!
Glad to see you scott
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Yes! Can't wait to flash this!
Sent from my SM-N900V using xda app-developers app
Scott so good to see you back and developing for a N3! Will have to download your ROM and check it out after I get to the Butterboost.
Def going to try this out. Thanks for all your hard work
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Surprised to see you with a note 3. Was following a conversation of yours on the nexus 7 forum speaking on the lag of samsung devices.
Glad to see you hear. I have clean rom on my note 2 my nexus 7 and now it'll be on my note 3 thanks.
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Glad To Have You On Note 3 Many Many Thanks !
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I f...ing love love love clean Rom! !! welcome back bro!!!!
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Yesssssssssssss
Related
Hey guys,
I released a stock version with everything in it last night with bubby, but people kept on asking me what's safe to remove and whats not. So I decided to upload the base I am using which is bloat free.
As usual it is Rooted / Deodexed / Zip-aligned / Su / Busybox.
I have kept samsung widgets for now. Refer to POST 2 for apps removed. Btw Gtalk with Video is also included in this rom
ROM is 262.73 mb in size compared to 311.70 mb.
Without further adieu...
ROM -- Link
Battery Addon -- Link
This is going to be perfect as a base for theme creators and dev's.
Special thanx to bubby323 for providing me with his updater-script. Battery addon was made via UOT.
Pictures:
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List of Apps Removed:
Asphalt6, Bonus apps, Books, Mobi tv, ECID, IQ Tmobile, Live source, Mall lite, Media hub, Mobile backup, Netflix, Sns for Linkedln, Telenav, Tmobile Blio, Tmobile m4m, and Zinio.
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I think this is it
ADDONS:
Crysis Battery: http://www.multiupload.com/QNH9IMXS5Q [Thanx to Vibrantnew-b]
Tesh, thanks for posting this Will flash after work
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mikeyinid said:
Tesh, thanks for posting this Will flash after work
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You are welcome buddy. I figured people wanted something without all the crap lol.
I hate assuming anything... But is it safe to assume this has been deodexed as well?
Even so, thanks a lot for what you've done for us so far... Can't wait to see everything that happens in the next 1-2 weeks.
btyork said:
I hate assuming anything... But is it safe to assume this has been deodexed as well?
Even so, thanks a lot for what you've done for us so far... Can't wait to see everything that happens in the next 1-2 weeks.
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yes it is.
Can you list which apps exactly were uninstalled?
Btw, PROBABLY have an oc kernel for test tonight. Ill find you in irc if you wanna flash later. Not my work of course. mathkid95 has taken the time to straighten out the code and sweeten it up a little.
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grabiarz said:
Can you list which apps exactly were uninstalled?
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Will do later. I don't remember all on top of my head.
mikeyinid said:
Btw, PROBABLY have an oc kernel for test tonight. Ill find you in irc if you wanna flash later
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Nice. Sure, can't wait.
teshxx said:
yes it is.
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Wooooord, downloading now to play with theming.
Thanks again
btyork said:
Wooooord, downloading now to play with theming.
Thanks again
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Cool. Give me the link after, I will put it under addons
TY!!
10 char
Ahhh man. We need gtalk w/video in there also
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mikeyinid said:
Ahhh man. We need gtalk w/video in there also
Sent from my SGH-T989 using XDA App
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It should be in there already.
Is it possible to flash the battery mod on the stock rom or do i need it to be deodexed?
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concac858 said:
Is it possible to flash the battery mod on the stock rom or do i need it to be deodexed?
Sent from my SGH-T989
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I wouldn't. Just pull your framework-res.apk and use the UOT kitchen to cook yourself battery mod and then flash that via CWM.
Hi first time android and rooter here. Question: does flashing this stock rom mean my device will start from scratch/factory reset?
mettleh3d said:
Hi first time android and rooter here. Question: does flashing this stock rom mean my device will start from scratch/factory reset?
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I would do data/cache wipe before flashing this since you will be coming from odex to deodexed version. You can always back up your data (user data not system data) using titanium backup and restore it later.
mikeyinid said:
Btw, PROBABLY have an oc kernel for test tonight. Ill find you in irc if you wanna flash later. Not my work of course. mathkid95 has taken the time to straighten out the code and sweeten it up a little.
Sent from my SGH-T989 using XDA App
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if you are going to make a new kernel would it be possible to make one that is compatible with the latest version of android tether so we can get past the "creating ad-hoc" error.
i installed wi-fi tether yesterday after rooting my device and it errors out when it tries to "Setting ad-hoc mode".
i looked up this error on other phones and it seems to be caused by some kernel incompatibilities.
also, how do we take screenshots on this phone? i tried power button+volume up/down and it doesnt work.
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Welcome to TeeROM! The first custom ROM available for the Sprint Galaxy Nexus, or torospr. This ROM aims to be fast, provide great battery life and not be overcrowded with useless junk.
Features:
-Deodexed
-Latest Lean Kernel
-Root and Superuser
-Zipaligned
-Bugmailer removed
-Useless video files removed
-Battery saving and speed tweaks
-Apps removed:
-Books
-Google+
-BIP
-WAPPushManager
-Video Editor
-SDM
-Shopper
Credits:
phrac for the system dump, wouldn't have been possible without it.
Peter Alfonso for some script references.
Changelog:
Code:
4/22/12
V1.0
-Initial release
Installation Instructions:
1. Wipe Data
2. Wipe Dalvik Cache
3. Under mounts Wipe /system (THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT)
4. Install
5. Reboot
Download (Gapps are included):
http://www.mediafire.com/?dl3uctdb43i874b
Mirror:
http://d-h.st/Cl4
And it begins!!!! do u think other rom developers that made verizon can change a couple of things on their roms and be posted here?
Sent from my SPH-D700
davidrules7778 said:
And it begins!!!! do u think other rom developers that made verizon can change a couple of things on their roms and be posted here?
Sent from my SPH-D700
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Maybe, Adrenalyne and some others are working getting AOSP to work so that could help.
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Maybe, Adrenalyne and some others are working getting AOSP to work so that could help.
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So aosp is still under construction to be fixed? Well I am sure it will be here in a month
Sent from my SPH-D700
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So aosp is still under construction to be fixed? Well I am sure it will be here in a month
Sent from my SPH-D700
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Yeah, there are some radio issues that they are working on
Hey tee can u tell people to post a request along with u and whoever else u know so we can get our own section
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1613579
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Also could i use ur base to try and port over miuiv4 to this. I could of started last night but the base was odex so ur base will help a bunch and credit will go where need kk thanks
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Anon9mouz said:
Also could i use ur base to try and port over miuiv4 to this. I could of started last night but the base was odex so ur base will help a bunch and credit will go where need kk thanks
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Go ahead! That would be great.
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Go ahead! That would be great.
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Thank u kind sir who knows we could team up or help each other out. I'm still a some what noob at dev work but I think I can get this port booted just don't know how much will work after lol
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I'll have to give this a try soon. Thanks OP.
Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using Tapatalk 2
There needs to be a sprint forum...this is going to be so cluttered >„<
Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using xda premium
I lost su when I flashed this. My backup root asked for root, I said allow, but it says it cannot find it.
Nice rom tho.
Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using Tapatalk 2
is there any chance you could add t9 dialer support from cyanogenmod?
Ascertion said:
I lost su when I flashed this. My backup root asked for root, I said allow, but it says it cannot find it.
Nice rom tho.
Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using Tapatalk 2
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Huh. Is anyone else having root issues?
AOSP test build is up from Big rush dog in the general section in the sprint nexus post
Wordlywisewiz said:
AOSP test build is up from Big rush dog in the general section in the sprint nexus post
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How's it running??
Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using XDA
TeeRom said:
Huh. Is anyone else having root issues?
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I wiped (factory reset), flashed rom, booted. All works aside from root. I can confirm this bug.
Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using Tapatalk 2
For all having superuser issues, push this file to /system/bin and reboot. This should fix it.
http://www.mediafire.com/?mfa6yynan3nff1x
I'm uploading an updated version now.
TeeRom said:
For all having superuser issues, push this file to /system/bin and reboot. This should fix it.
http://www.mediafire.com/?mfa6yynan3nff1x
I'm uploading an updated version now.
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Sweet, I'll give that new version a shot. Not near a PC right now, otherwise I'd adb push the fix.
Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using Tapatalk 2
TeeRom said:
For all having superuser issues, push this file to /system/bin and reboot. This should fix it.
http://www.mediafire.com/?mfa6yynan3nff1x
I'm uploading an updated version now.
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Testing this fix now. Gimme just a minute.
4 in Reboot Menu - De-Odex - I317UCALJ2 Base!
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Sharing Policy
The spirit of Open Source is to share your knowledge and files with the rest of the world so they can improve on what you do when possible. This is also my philosophy and I would never compromise that!
You are free to use this ROM or any part of this ROM any way you like as long as you give a link back to this thread or my website, www.scottsroms.com
Do not use my work if you cannot give proper credits!
Consider this your permission! Please do not PM me asking if its OK to build off this ROM. Permission granted!
However this does not include my CleanROM series of ROMS. Please do not use those without contacting me first!
Thanks! You devs make an amazing phone even better.
This mod will completely destroy de multi window feature... Just to let you guys know... The android.policy.jar included in the flash will disable the multi-window feature... Flashed back stock android.policy.jar...
To OP... Can you please add the restart options but keep the stock data option... And make it work with multi window...
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TEKHD said:
This mod will completely destroy de multi window feature... Just to let you guys know... The android.policy.jar included in the flash will disable the multi-window feature... Flashed back stock android.policy.jar...
To OP... Can you please add the restart options buy keep the stock data option... And make it work with multi window...
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Its based on stock I317UCALJ2.
Thanks!
scrosler said:
Its based on stock I317UCALJ2.
Thanks!
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Found it on the t-mobile section...
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Scott glad you got the att note 2 you did a lot to make the rezound a half way decent device. Seeing what you were able to do with an htc phone that wasnt fully unlocked in its infancy I am just waiting to see what you can do with this beast of a phone.
For some strange reason, this zip is not working with the latest version of TWRP (v2.3.1.2) as it finishes but it doesn't do anything at all.
d0cx said:
For some strange reason, this zip is not working with the latest version of TWRP (v2.3.1.2) as it finishes but it doesn't do anything at all.
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+1 Flashed twice with twrp and no change still.
d0cx said:
For some strange reason, this zip is not working with the latest version of TWRP (v2.3.1.2) as it finishes but it doesn't do anything at all.
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SysAdmNj said:
+1 Flashed twice with twrp and no change still.
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You need to be de-odex to run this.
Wont work well on Stock ROM.
Scott, I am running CleanROM Lite v1.0 (as my siggy says). Check the 15-mod toggle thread to view the error I am having.
d0cx said:
Scott, I am running CleanROM Lite v1.0 (as my siggy says). Check the 15-mod toggle thread to view the error I am having.
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I'm running the same rom but the 15-mod flash worked via twrp. I'm having issues with this mod only.
does this work on rogers??
Yes it does. However it will change your hspa icons to AT&T's version.
Sent from my SGH-I317M using xda developers app
will this work on custom ROM, and will it affect the multi-window ? Thanks
Thank you for creating this mod.......however, the download link seems to be down.
EDIT!!!! My apologies!! The download is at http://www.scottsroms.com
I'm confused, to the people running CleanROM and using this patch, doesn't CleanROM already have "4 in Reboot Menu" or is it different in some way.
mattern1974 said:
Thank you for creating this mod.......however, the download link seems to be down.
EDIT!!!! My apologies!! The download is at http://www.scottsroms.com
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Don't see it there.
flaystus said:
Don't see it there.
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Probably pulled for newer mods - - it was there in December 2012 anyway.
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Features
- Deodexed
- Zipaligned
- Native USB/WiFi Tethering (Thanks Metalboy94)
- Sound Boost (Thanks sil0)
- Camera Mods for better shots, recording, audio, etc. (Thanks to xdaddeb)
- Trace feature enabled by default.
- Slightly Themed
- Other minor optimizations/tweaks that are under the hood.
Download
Version 1.1 Official (Dev-Host Mirror)
Please do not make mirrors. I like to keep track of current downloads.
Installation Instructions
- Download ROM
- Copy to SD card
- Perform backup via chosen recovery.
- Select Install file, scroll to ROM file, hit install.
- Once installation completes, hit reboot system.
- After initial Setup, update profile/PRL.
- Reboot and enjoy.
Other Thanks,
- Youdug, for bringing us a reliable stock deodexed base.
- Google, for bringing us Android.
- Overstew, for allowing me to use his expanded storage to host my files.
- Dev-Host, for hosting the files themselves!
Addons,
- iOS7 Status Bar Flashable Add-On. To revert back to stock, flash this zip. (Thanks to WHOIZLUCKY92)
- G2 Xposed (Found here). Awesome mods for your G2. Fully compatible with this ROM.
- Furnace Kernel (Found here) Works great on this ROM!
yupp
#1.
Super!
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Does this have splitview or do we need to flash Rom?
Sent from my LG-LS980 using XDA Premium 4 mobile app
What is up w the hoops to download the rom? I don't really care to sign up for stuff. Also, I'm assuming gapps are included in the rom? Would like to find a Rom to pick up theming on again
Looking forward to checking this out, sounds like all the addons i use have been included, yay !
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Cant wait. Zv8?
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nordy420 said:
What is up w the hoops to download the rom? I don't really care to sign up for stuff. Also, I'm assuming gapps are included in the rom? Would like to find a Rom to pick up theming on again
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The LG Splitscreen mod isn't implemented into this version of the ROM. You can always flash it over. This ROM is mostly stock - just added tweaks here and there.
EDIT: I'm noticing a bug within the ROM in regards to the boot animation so I've pulled the link temporarily and will restore stock boot animation until I can get the bug fixed.
weenerdog3443 said:
Cant wait. Zv8?
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Yes. Based on latest update from Sprint, V8.
Great!!! Did you happen to debloat the rom?
Cool, I'll definitely give this a run bro.
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nordy420 said:
Great!!! Did you happen to debloat the rom?
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It says in the op it's slightly debloated.
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Ahhh i missed it, my bad. Sorry
All good I wasn't trying to be rude or anything like that at all.
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It says in the op it's slightly debloated.
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Correct. The term debloated is highly subjective. I find bloat to be applications such as Nascar, or Blockbuster. Also help applications tend to bother me more than they don't. Little things like these are removed but most of the funcationality aplications such as Qslide, Qremote, etc. are still included.
New upload is at 60% and will be linked asap.
Nice man great job, gonna give this a go when I get back!
Woot
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Upload completed.
Download here or from OP.
This looks nice
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i flashed it coming from dynamite rom and one it boots up after a minute it just keeps popping up unfortunatly dual window has stopped and wont let yo udo anything . can you help
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This is our official Rom for Verizon's HTC One. We have tested over 600 builds and believe the Rom to be relatively bug free.
fernando sor
jeffsanace
slayer69
eg1122
steelH
mcluvn
chogardjr
thicklizard
cbrown245
Andy bones
stoney666
silverxbv2
dased14
steal25
Miller_kid
You must be rooted and unlocked with a custom recovery to flash this.
You must do a full wipe before you flash.
BadSeed Tweaks apk
battery options
weather clock digits and panels
dialers
keyboards
trans and inverted switch ( requires reboot )
docks
and more
Quick Settings Page
Quickly access the following:
About Page *New*
Help/F.A.Q (Check Here for Custom Image Instructions) *New*
Flashlight
Airplane Mode
Wi-Fi
Mobile Network
Bluetooth
GPS
Auto Sync
Auto Rotate
Power Saver
Reboot Menu
Sleep
paulobrien
iBotPeaches
Lyapota
Pquinqu[/SIZE]
Please do not post or use full or in part any of our original work without permission
Please check with us before you flash anything on top of this Rom. Some HTC apks can not be decompiled with apktool without throwing performance and other errors. We used an alternate method to modify these apks.
Changelog:
02/06/14 Initial RLS[SIZE]
Knows Bugs/Glitches:
None, Please go to BadSeed Tweaks/About/BugTracker and report there
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Docks
PLEASE READ OP IN ITS ENTIRETY BEFORE ASKING QUESTION!!
Tranquil One 4.3 RLS1
I recommend this kernel , the Rom comes with stock but Thick's kernel is highly recommended
dt2w
s2w
s2s
oc
and much more .....
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Thanks for the hard work can't wait to try it.
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Sweet!
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Thanks!!! Can't wait to try :good:
BADSEED is back!!!!!!!!!!
Ohhhh sweet!!!! Thanks for the Rom guys! Downloading in a few.
Nice Thanks for the ROM.. How do I get the file? I click the link opens media file site... I created an account..
scottyd21 said:
Nice Thanks for the ROM.. How do I get the file? I click the link opens media file site... I created an account..
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I am having the same problem ..
The link for the download asks you to sign into media fire. Dont really want to make an account, do you have a different link?
No luck here either.
Linked wrong build , sorry will repost when I wake up .
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Yes the link is working.. Thank you
Keep getting Unfortunately, HTC sense has stopped. I came from Bonestock 2.0.1 Cannot get passed that error. Clean install with wipes
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pita said:
Keep getting Unfortunately, HTC sense has stopped. I came from Bonestock 2.0.1 Cannot get passed that error. Clean install with wipes
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same here
kc6wke said:
same here
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Ditto, :crying:
the link has some extra stuff, you can remove the characters and download the ROM, which is AMAZING from what I was able to see, although I get a F/C upon completing the setupwizard and can't get to home screen.
original link - http://www.mediafire.com/?4znogcxszj7u6zg [COLOR=%22Blue%22
link - [url]http://www.mediafire.com/?4znogcxszj7u6zg[/url]
andybones said:
the link has some extra stuff, you can remove the characters and download the ROM, which is AMAZING from what I was able to see, although I get a F/C upon completing the setupwizard and can't get to home screen.
original link - http://www.mediafire.com/?4znogcxszj7u6zg [COLOR=%22Blue%22
link - [url]http://www.mediafire.com/?4znogcxszj7u6zg[/url]
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Has anyone found a work around for the HTC sense force close on this?
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