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[Q] Can I still flash files under KNOX?

Just various different questions on if I could or couldn't do under the KNOX firmware.
Yes I've read around but unfortunately most information regarding 4.3 fw and knox are
in other device threads ( Specifically on how to work around KNOX when flashing).
I've also read thorough and around CNexus's thread regarding FAQ on KNOX.
These questions are more info for me whether to decide if I can flash different kernels or
AOSP based roms specifically on d2spr. I want a device having better stability and great battery life.
I could care less regarding tripping the counter or warranties as long as I can use my device and
not have to spend so much time charging the battery or turning it off completely because it's being a prick.
So onto my first set of questions, it's regarding stock TW firmware.
( Shout out and thanks to K1mu for I used his rooting method. )
Can I install custom recoveries or will KNOX not let me do that?
If I can, could I flash kernels or will KNOX not allow me to?
And if I can, will KNOX make the device unstable under the custom kernel?
By unstable i mean FC apps, Apps that require root will not work properly, etc.
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My second set of questions is regarding flashing AOSP under KNOX.
As the above stated about recoveries, Can I still flash AOSP based roms under the knox bootloader?
And will I be able to have a custom kernel on AOSP?
I'm currently fully stock TW MK3 with latest firmware and after doing a lot of digging regarding knox.
I'm kinda stuck at the moment, For now, i'm just rooted.
Any replies on this is much appreciated.
-iB

You can flash anything, including a custom recovery, if you have Knox. The only thing you can't do is Odin a previous version of Android. If you you flash anything in Odin lower than 4.3 then the bootloader is being overwritten and that's when Knox turns your phone into a paperweight.

metalfan78 said:
You can flash anything, including a custom recovery, if you have Knox. The only thing you can't do is Odin a previous version of Android. If you you flash anything in Odin lower than 4.3 then the bootloader is being overwritten and that's when Knox turns your phone into a paperweight.
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Thanks for replying metalfan78.
I know downgrading the bootloader will superbrick the device.
Just wanted to know if a custom ROM or kernel would run stable under the Knox bootloader. Because there's no issues regarding that here as seeing issues on other device threads about Knox and flashing other ROMs / kernels.

The Knox bootloader should have no effect on rom/kernel. I haven't seen any correlation being discussed here. All custom roms have that crap removed.

iBismuth said:
Just various different questions on if I could or couldn't do under the KNOX firmware.
Yes I've read around but unfortunately most information regarding 4.3 fw and knox are
in other device threads ( Specifically on how to work around KNOX when flashing).
I've also read thorough and around CNexus's thread regarding FAQ on KNOX.
These questions are more info for me whether to decide if I can flash different kernels or
AOSP based roms specifically on d2spr. I want a device having better stability and great battery life.
I could care less regarding tripping the counter or warranties as long as I can use my device and
not have to spend so much time charging the battery or turning it off completely because it's being a prick.
So onto my first set of questions, it's regarding stock TW firmware.
( Shout out and thanks to K1mu for I used his rooting method. )
Can I install custom recoveries or will KNOX not let me do that?
If I can, could I flash kernels or will KNOX not allow me to?
And if I can, will KNOX make the device unstable under the custom kernel?
By unstable i mean FC apps, Apps that require root will not work properly, etc.
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My second set of questions is regarding flashing AOSP under KNOX.
As the above stated about recoveries, Can I still flash AOSP based roms under the knox bootloader?
And will I be able to have a custom kernel on AOSP?
I'm currently fully stock TW MK3 with latest firmware and after doing a lot of digging regarding knox.
I'm kinda stuck at the moment, For now, i'm just rooted.
Any replies on this is much appreciated.
-iB
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Just remove the KNOX apps as this may cause issues with superSU. Yes, you can flash AOSP ROMs under the KNOX bootloader.
Any reason you want to keep KNOX?

flynhawn2002 said:
Just remove the KNOX apps as this may cause issues with superSU. Yes, you can flash AOSP ROMs under the KNOX bootloader.
Any reason you want to keep KNOX?
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I upgraded from the s ii and the sprint rep OTA updated the phone
without asking me Q's on if I wanted to do it myself.
Lame customer service I tell ya

Ahhh....now worries. Just remove KNOX, root your phone and flash as much AOSP as you can! Good Luck!

Is there a way to root 4.3 without tripping knox and counter?
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Can i install a custom rom with the 4.3 ota?

I am wondering if it is possible to install a custom rom(quantum or cyanogenmod).I don't care about warranty, already tripped the Knox flag rooting. Will I brick my phone trying to install a rom? If I can how?

androidman23 said:
I am wondering if it is possible to install a custom rom(quantum or cyanogenmod).I don't care about warranty, already tripped the Knox flag rooting. Will I brick my phone trying to install a rom? If I can how?
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This gets covered a lot at XDA. Recently in the Q&A thread as Method for Root, Recovery, ROM installation after 4.3 OTA [ 1 2 3 ... Last ]
The bricking is guaranteed if your new flash includes an incompatible bootloader. The forums for each rom you are interested in are best resources.

otas?
Can i still ota with Knox tripped?

androidman23 said:
Can i still ota with Knox tripped?
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Yes you can as long as you have stock recovery.
Type from KitKat bar.

[Q] Successfully Rooted with Towelroot on Note 3(SM-N900T), have some questions...

Successfully rooted without tripping Knox with Towelroot. NE6 firmware. I have T-Mobile Jump and would like to Jump to the Note 4 when it comes out. If I install TWRP and make a backup of stock, will I trip knox and void my JUMP eligibility? Wanted to install via Flashify and install Xposed framework at some point down the line.
Thanks!

Steameffekt said:
Successfully rooted without tripping Knox with Towelroot. NE6 firmware. I have T-Mobile Jump and would like to Jump to the Note 4 when it comes out. If I install TWRP and make a backup of stock, will I trip knox and void my JUMP eligibility? Wanted to install via Flashify and install Xposed framework at some point down the line.
Thanks!
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Yes.. Custom recovery or custom kernel will trip knox
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effortless said:
Yes.. Custom recovery or custom kernel will trip knox
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If I flashed back to stock, did a factory reset, would it still say custom?

Steameffekt said:
If I flashed back to stock, did a factory reset, would it still say custom?
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As long as you didn't flash a custom kernel or recovery, it should be OK once you flash stock.
Even if you trip Knox, flash back to stock and jump when the time comes. They generally don't care about that as long as your phone is not damaged.
Knox warranty void is not the phone warranty. It's telling you Knox can't secure your phone anymore. Its (Knox's) warranty is void. People all over the Internet don't even know what Knox is and they spread misinformation.
Look up what Knox really is. It is an app that runs on your phone and creates a secure Android environment within itself. It's like another phone with its own launcher and app store that is secure. It's meant for employees to use their personal phone for work purposes as well.
When you trip the Knox warranty, Knox triggers an efuse that will prevent the secure container from being able to be created... Meaning Knox will never work again on your phone. It's a security measure so that companies will take the Samsung phones seriously in the work space. In reality it has worked for them as the department of defense recently approved a few Samsung models with Knox.
If you don't plan on using Knox for anything, then trip Knox and enjoy custom kernels/recoveries etc. If you do plan on using it, it's not a good idea to even root your phone as the whole purpose of Knox is to be secure and rooting will make Knox vulnerable.. You might even get fired if your IT department finds out.
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effortless said:
Yes.. Custom recovery or custom kernel will trip knox
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effortless said:
As long as you didn't flash a custom kernel or recovery, it should be OK once you flash stock.
Even if you trip Knox, flash back to stock and jump when the time comes. They generally don't care about that as long as your phone is not damaged.
Knox warranty void is not the phone warranty. It's telling you Knox can't secure your phone anymore. Its (Knox's) warranty is void. People all over the Internet don't even know what Knox is and they spread misinformation.
Look up what Knox really is. It is an app that runs on your phone and creates a secure Android environment within itself. It's like another phone with its own launcher and app store that is secure. It's meant for employees to use their personal phone for work purposes as well.
When you trip the Knox warranty, Knox triggers an efuse that will prevent the secure container from being able to be created... Meaning Knox will never work again on your phone. It's a security measure so that companies will take the Samsung phones seriously in the work space. In reality it has worked for them as the department of defense recently approved a few Samsung models with Knox.
If you don't plan on using Knox for anything, then trip Knox and enjoy custom kernels/recoveries etc. If you do plan on using it, it's not a good idea to even root your phone as the whole purpose of Knox is to be secure and rooting will make Knox vulnerable.. You might even get fired if your IT department finds out.
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Makes sense and I probably will flash a custom recovery. I just don't understand the fuss with people wanting not to trip knox if they're not even gonna use it.

I successfully rooted my Tmo Note 3 with Towelroot v2. I am currently on NE6 Boot-loader and have Knox at 0x0 and would like to remain there. I would like to upgrade to the new firmware NF1 which is not rootable with Towelroot yet. Does anyone know if using Mobile Odin Pro is able to keep root if manually done without breaking/tripping Knox? I think I remember reading somewhere that it was okay to do so and ignore the message even though it asks to download a file and then it gives a warning saying that:
"Using, Mobile Odin on this device will void your warranty, as the Knox counter will be triggered .This is not reversible".
Can someone confirm if its Okay to ignore the warning and that activating Mobile Odin Pro on my phone is OK without triggering Know 0x1, or was that other posting I read somewhere wrong? I cannot remember where I read it. If not possible to use Mobile Odin without triggering Knox 0x1,. is there any other way to root NF1 without triggering knox on our device? What do you guys think?

un-answered question............
I don't know why I have not asked this before, but here it goes..........
First, I just want to say that I could care less about Knox...
(my phone already has the knox pox)
But for future reference if I had a brand new Note 3 with official stock NB4 baseband
and I rooted it successfully using Towelroot (or root de la vaga) would it be possible
to simply rename a custom rom like Hyperdrive to "update.zip" and copy it to the
internal sdcard then boot into the stock NB4 recovery and flash/install "update.zip"?
If the only problem with this method would be the fact that a different kernel would
also flashed along with the rom it would be an easy fix by just removing the kernel
from the custom rom file before flashing the update.zip?
I know that more likely than not this method would not work.
But if it did work it should not trip the knox right?

Eudeferrer said:
I successfully rooted my Tmo Note 3 with Towelroot v2. I am currently on NE6 Boot-loader and have Knox at 0x0 and would like to remain there. I would like to upgrade to the new firmware NF1 which is not rootable with Towelroot yet. Does anyone know if using Mobile Odin Pro is able to keep root if manually done without breaking/tripping Knox? I think I remember reading somewhere that it was okay to do so and ignore the message even though it asks to download a file and then it gives a warning saying that:
"Using, Mobile Odin on this device will void your warranty, as the Knox counter will be triggered .This is not reversible".
Can someone confirm if its Okay to ignore the warning and that activating Mobile Odin Pro on my phone is OK without triggering Know 0x1, or was that other posting I read somewhere wrong? I cannot remember where I read it. If not possible to use Mobile Odin without triggering Knox 0x1,. is there any other way to root NF1 without triggering knox on our device? What do you guys think?
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Eudeferrer said:
I successfully rooted my Tmo Note 3 with Towelroot v2. I am currently on NE6 Boot-loader and have Knox at 0x0 and would like to remain there. I would like to upgrade to the new firmware NF1 which is not rootable with Towelroot yet. Does anyone know if using Mobile Odin Pro is able to keep root if manually done without breaking/tripping Knox? I think I remember reading somewhere that it was okay to do so and ignore the message even though it asks to download a file and then it gives a warning saying that:
"Using, Mobile Odin on this device will void your warranty, as the Knox counter will be triggered .This is not reversible". Can someone confirm if its Okay to ignore the warning and that activating Mobile Odin Pro on my phone is OK without triggering Know 0x1, or was that other posting I read somewhere wrong? I cannot remember where I read it. If not possible to use Mobile Odin without triggering Knox 0x1,. is there any other way to root NF1 without triggering knox on our device? What do you guys think?
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I just checked and it's OK to "install" Mobile Odin on your phone and it
it will NOT trip the KNOX counter by simply installing it as long as you:
1: Don't flash any custom recoveries like twrp/cwm.
2: Don't flash any stock or custom kernels.
3: Don't flash any modems/baseband or bootloaders.
4: Don't flash any custom odin flashable firmwares.
In mobile odin there is no option to flash cwm/twrp
flashable zip files of any kind including custom roms.
Good luck!

Misterjunky said:
I just checked and it's OK to "install" Mobile Odin on your phone and it
it will NOT trip the KNOX counter by simply installing it as long as you:
1: Don't flash any custom recoveries like twrp/cwm.
2: Don't flash any stock or custom kernels.
3: Don't flash any modems/baseband or bootloaders.
4: Don't flash any custom odin flashable firmwares.
In mobile odin there is no option to flash cwm/twrp
flashable zip files of any kind including custom roms.
Good luck!
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Why would flashing a stock kernel/baseband or firmware cause Knox to change to 0x1 when done through Mobile Odin? I thought this would happen only through custom based ones?

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Eudeferrer said:
Why would flashing a stock kernel/baseband or firmware cause Knox to change to 0x1 when done through Mobile Odin? I thought this would happen only through custom based ones?
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First of all I never said not to odin flash stock official firmware in my post.
If you or anyone else knows for sure that the modem/baseband or kernel you are
wanting to flash are 100% official stock 4.4.2 Kitkat NB4/NE6/NF1 versions then
its just fine to flash those.
However since knox cannot be rolled back and to keep things on the SAFE side I
always suggest the very safest way to do these things which even a NOOB would
understand without getting into trouble with a lot of unexpected issues. :laugh:
Good luck!

Misterjunky said:
First of all I never said not to odin flash stock official firmware in my post.
If you or anyone else knows for sure that the modem/baseband or kernel you are
wanting to flash are 100% official stock 4.4.2 Kitkat NB4/NE6/NF1 versions then
its just fine to flash those.
However since knox cannot be rolled back and to keep things on the SAFE side I
always suggest the very safest way to do these things which even a NOOB would
understand without getting into trouble with a lot of unexpected issues. :laugh:
Good luck!
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My bad. I guess I misunderstood you the first time. Thank you for your response.

[Q] Will flashing a kerneal trip knox?

Will flashing a stock kernal or custom kernal trip knox?

_bhaves_ said:
Will flashing a stock kernal or custom kernal trip knox?
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The answer is yes, flash a custom kernel will trip knox.

wzhao14 said:
The answer is yes, flash a custom kernel will trip knox.
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Thanks for the reply. I just flashed a stock kernel and knox stayed 0x0

To be fair to wzha014, the actual answer is "it depends."
What phone version did you have, and boot loader version. If it was a N900w8 with NA2 you can flash til kingdom come and keep 0x0.
Also was it from twrp or Odin.
So it very much depends. Credit to him for giving you the safe, reasonable answer

icenight89 said:
To be fair to wzha014, the actual answer is "it depends."
What phone version did you have, and boot loader version. If it was a N900w8 with NA2 you can flash til kingdom come and keep 0x0.
Also was it from twrp or Odin.
So it very much depends. Credit to him for giving you the safe, reasonable answer
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I believe its an n900t not a w8 model, i flashed it in android via mobile odin pro and I still have knox 0x0

[Q] Quick root question

Is there a way to get root on this device without tripping the Knox counter? Don't want a full custom ROM. Just simple root to be able to run some other software.
Thanks!
~Vol

Vol4Ever said:
Is there a way to get root on this device without tripping the Knox counter? Don't want a full custom ROM. Just simple root to be able to run some other software.
Thanks!
~Vol
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to run "other software" i think you mean to flash other roms. From my understanding, rooting your tablet wont trip the Knox, but flashing a custom recovery like TWRP will trip knox. You MUST flash a custom recovery to flash a custom Rom.

moabizzi said:
i think you mean to flash other roms
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I *may* fully flash the tablet someday (which I'm fairly positive trips Knox regardless) if a Lollipop ROM comes along that looks interesting. However, for now all I am wanting to do is use Titanium Backup to remove some of the bloat that the factory OS won't allow me to delete or freeze. I've used CF-AutoRoot in the past. Is that still the easiest / recommended method on this particular tablet?

Vol4Ever said:
I *may* fully flash the tablet someday (which I'm fairly positive trips Knox regardless) if a Lollipop ROM comes along that looks interesting. However, for now all I am wanting to do is use Titanium Backup to remove some of the bloat that the factory OS won't allow me to delete or freeze. I've used CF-AutoRoot in the past. Is that still the easiest / recommended method on this particular tablet?
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Yep.