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[HOWTO] Update to JB without tripping flash counter if already rooted

I first posted this in MrRobinson's excellent thread at http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=35165945&postcount=1610, but decided others might benefit from it that may not be following his instructions because they're already rooted...
For now, just see my instructions in the post mentioned above. Once I get off work this evening I will be updating this post with more detailed information. At least one other user has followed these instructions and reported that his flash counter remains at 0, even after multiple reboots and custom recovery actions.
The usual disclaimers about bricking your phone, blowing up your grandmother's house, drowning your dog, etc. apply. I'M NOT RESPONSIBLE!!!

Reserved - just in case...

I can confirm this method works as described. I also added instructions in the same thread on how you can still use this method if you happen to have already upgraded to JB via the traditional method (ie via ODIN or Kies) and have a count or custom status. It requires reverting to stock ICS and recovery and then moving forward with the above process, and the end result is Rooted JB with Custom Recovery and retaining official rom status with no counter increments.

whats the point.. if you put a custom recovery on it updates the counter anyway.. on every boot. unless you root and remove certain files.. and if you are rooted and remove those. you can use triangle away anway.

If you revert to ics, then flash jb without the accompanying bootloaders you don't have to worry the flash counter. Why is that important? In case you need to warranty it and can't get to triangle away to reset it. And some of us like to say its never been tripped
Btw, I'm running rooted stock with twrp and my counter is still 0. And i installed twrp after flashing jb.

lgkahn said:
whats the point.. if you put a custom recovery on it updates the counter anyway.. on every boot. unless you root and remove certain files.. and if you are rooted and remove those. you can use triangle away anway.
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That's the point. I flashed and KEPT my custom recovery, and it does not increase the counter no matter how often I use it. I haven't tried loading a different custom recovery now that I'm on JB, but so far all is well.
By the way, sorry I haven't followed up on the OP. Been very busy.

78Staff said:
I can confirm this method works as described. I also added instructions in the same thread on how you can still use this method if you happen to have already upgraded to JB via the traditional method (ie via ODIN or Kies) and have a count or custom status. It requires reverting to stock ICS and recovery and then moving forward with the above process, and the end result is Rooted JB with Custom Recovery and retaining official rom status with no counter increments.
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Thanks for the other post. I was beginning to think no one even cared. I'll see if I can incorporate your info into the OP when I finally get around to it...

lgkahn said:
whats the point.. if you put a custom recovery on it updates the counter anyway.. on every boot. unless you root and remove certain files.. and if you are rooted and remove those. you can use triangle away anway.
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You're doing it wrong. Mine still displays 0 and official after installing multiple recoveries, countless zip flashes to include AOKP and TW ROMs and approx 4-5 Odin flashes. My wife's recently rooted and jb'd S3 also says the same thing.
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Are any of you having SD card issues with the stock version of JB?

LAKsupply said:
Are any of you having SD card issues with the stock version of JB?
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Nope. Have you tried reverting to ICS to see if the problem persists?
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d3athsd00r said:
You're doing it wrong. Mine still displays 0 and official after installing multiple recoveries, countless zip flashes to include AOKP and TW ROMs and approx 4-5 Odin flashes. My wife's recently rooted and jb'd S3 also says the same thing.
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no that is becuase one of the flashes you did removed those recovery files that comes with stock jb.. or replaced the kernel that reflashes them..
normal upgrade from ics to stock jb.. will reset counter on every boot unless you change the kernel or remove the recovery image.

d3athsd00r said:
Nope. Have you tried reverting to ICS to see if the problem persists?
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It's fine on ICS... this is Jedi Invasion JB and the KT747 kernel. I wasn't sure if it was just the ROM and then noticed that others with different roms and stock roms had the same issues. I'm wondering if it wasn't an issue in the initial JB release (this is a ported T Mobile rom) that the dev built this rom off of. I'll flash another JB version and see if the problem persists.

lgkahn said:
no that is becuase one of the flashes you did removed those recovery files that comes with stock jb.. or replaced the kernel that reflashes them..
normal upgrade from ics to stock jb.. will reset counter on every boot unless you change the kernel or remove the recovery image.
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I.E. I did it right. Doing it right the first time keeps you from having to fix it later.
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So... it appears my previous issue was a bad sd card. It's kind of a big coincidence that the old card didn't work with the Jedi rom, and now the new card doesn't work with any rom. I just flashed AOKP and the correct KT747 kernel, and no love. I pulled the 32g sd card and fed it my wife's old 8g card, and it works perfectly. Is there a such thing as a rom cooking an sd card?

great find! followed the instructions with mobile odin and worked like a charm, I came from a jb aosp rom, but first I nandroid back to an ics-lg1 backup I did a few months back, no counter tripping after a few reboots into recovery
one question, is there any thread where I can find mods for this 4.1 TW stock jelly bean, like power menu, toogles, kill back button,tether etc if anyone has a link please share
many thanks!

When your sdcard went did it say damaged? That happened to me going from ics to jb mr robinsons official stock. So i put in a brand new card, then it tells me under about status is modified which it wasnt when the first sd card worked. Even odder my pc couldnt see the card, so i thought it truly was damaged. I put it back in just to try a day later and all of a sudden i can format it within the phone, which, I due and then it works again and the modified under status is back to normal. Im gonna go through the source of that package this week and see if I can find whats up and what could of tripped and then reverted that counter.
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Right on this worked great! And now don't have to worry about the stupid flash counter
sent from the dark side of the universe....

I followed the method in this thread (using mobile odin to go from rooted ICS to rooted JB). It was pretty easy and it worked great. However, after the first restart, I started having a strange problem. Every 5 minutes, the phone will lose its network connection for approximately 30 seconds. This appears as red on the "Mobile network signal" under battery usage details, and I'm unable to make any calls. This drop happens like clockwork. You could set your watch by it.
I've tried everything (uninstalling certain programs, flashed different modems, factory reset, etc) and nothing worked. I reverted back to ICS and then redid the method from this thread, and the same thing happened (JB worked great until I restarted for the first time, etc..
Any ideas? For a while I thought it was some weird issue with the analog clock widget.... But getting rid of that didn't help. And I've tried every possible google search on this issue but I can't find anything. For now I'm back to ICS.

Yea that is weird maybe just try it over again fresh odin ics and go from there. Almost seems like something didn't take going thru the flash process
sent from the dark side of the universe....

did you check the apns? right after I did the flash, it didnt have the "ATT PTA" apn so I had to manually add it
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Update without OTA and Kies

Been searching and I can't figure this out.
I have a rooted S3 and I can't get 4.1.2 OTA.
I also have no access to a PC I can install Kies on.
What is another solution to getting the update on a rooted S3?

Do you have a custom recovery installed? If so, you can just flash a debloated stock 4.1.2 ROM from the development section.
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joshka89 said:
Been searching and I can't figure this out.
I have a rooted S3 and I can't get 4.1.2 OTA.
I also have no access to a PC I can install Kies on.
What is another solution to getting the update on a rooted S3?
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Root66. It's in the android dev section.

Aerowinder said:
Root66. It's in the android dev section.
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Yeah I have CWM recovery.
This shouldn't mess with settings right? the reason I haven't messed with ROMs on this one is because it's all set up like I like it.
EDIT: NV can't flash with Odin. I have a Chromebook. I need a zip to send over Kies air and flash through CWM

joshka89 said:
Yeah I have CWM recovery.
This shouldn't mess with settings right? the reason I haven't messed with ROMs on this one is because it's all set up like I like it.
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I never recommend dirty flashing (flashing one ROM over another, especially when updating to a newer version of android) it eventually just leads to problems and you'll have to start over again sooner or later.
If you do it the right way, you will have to re-setup the ROM again, pictures, music and files like that will be fine but you'll lose all of your settings.
If you do decide to flash ROMs, before you do, search how to backup your imei, you'll be glad you did if you ever lose it.
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It's stock rooted is all, don't want to delete everything just for 4.1.2.
I'll keep searching but it would be easiest to find the update zip file, especially since I won't have access to Odin or anything else to back stuff up and flash in an efficient way
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Would sending this zip to the sdcard and apply update through CWM work?
http://honai-android.blogspot.com/2013/05/how-to-update-galaxy-s3-t-mobile-sgh.html

joshka89 said:
It's stock rooted is all, don't want to delete everything just for 4.1.2.
I'll keep searching but it would be easiest to find the update zip file, especially since I won't have access to Odin or anything else to back stuff up and flash in an efficient way
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Would sending this zip to the sdcard and apply update through CWM work?
http://honai-android.blogspot.com/2013/05/how-to-update-galaxy-s3-t-mobile-sgh.html
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That's the firmware for Odin it looks like. If you want you can just download the OTA from my firmware thread. Flash in CWM and it should work and allow you to preserve root. Probably the easiest way to get what you want. If you can use Odin from another computer, root66 is definitely preferred, but there's more than one way to do it.
I agree about the dirty flashing, for the most part. Since you are simply updating the stock firmware, you should be fine. Clean is better of course, but it's up to you. Without starting clean.you do run the risk of having issues down the road, and then you wouldn't even know why.
If you decide to try the OTA, please take a few min to read what I've got there.
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[Q] Should I OTA Update?

Hey guys, I'm rooted with a few system modifications (few apps deleted, very minor changes, mostly through xposed). What should I do before I OTA update to 4.4.2?
Also, I'm not KNOX tripped, so I'd like to keep it that way.

holycow1 said:
Hey guys, I'm rooted with a few system modifications (few apps deleted, very minor changes, mostly through xposed). What should I do before I OTA update to 4.4.2?
Also, I'm not KNOX tripped, so I'd like to keep it that way.[/QUOT
You wont get the update over the air cause your phone is rooted. you will get an error. you need to unroot or flash the software your slef..
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Pajar0913 said:
holycow1 said:
Hey guys, I'm rooted with a few system modifications (few apps deleted, very minor changes, mostly through xposed). What should I do before I OTA update to 4.4.2?
Also, I'm not KNOX tripped, so I'd like to keep it that way.
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You wont get the update over the air cause your phone is rooted. you will get an error. you need to unroot or flash the software your slef..
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Ok. So should I back up through Titanium back up & flash through Odin?
Is there a non-KNOX trip root method for 4.4.2?

holycow1 said:
Ok. So should I back up through Titanium back up & flash through Odin?
Is there a non-KNOX trip root method for 4.4.2?
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Honestly I couldn't tell you. I just did the update to my phone. I'm looking all that up now. As far as your back up. It's always a good thing to back up your current rom in case you ever wanna go back to it. What I did was just flash stock Rom with out root using Odin. And I received the update today. It just now finished. It takes a good min to download. It's 495mb rather big big file.
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Odin with the new firmware then boot into recovery and wipe the phone and cache. You'll be back to stock 4.4.2
I'm not sure if they're is any proven methods to achieve root without tripping Knox for 4.4.2, I personally don't care about tripping Knox and cf auto rooted.
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I'm of the frame of mind that you should never accept OTA updates unless you have no plans at aftermarket firmware modification. Since you are already rooted I would caution against it...even if only to establish good habits. This OTA might be safe but who knows if the next one locks up the bootloader? I'd Jump immediately to another device. I have no desire to get stuck on stock, especially with a risk of no exploit available for root...for a while? Forever? Who knows...that's a roll of the dice I'm not willing to take. The developers do amazing work and I am thankful for every moment of time they spend making roms, finding root, writing recoveries, etc etc etc. But I am not so arrogant as to expect every patched up whole to be cracked open again, by someone else no less.
It'll probably be less than a day (I've seen it take less than an hour on some devices) until a dev has a flashable zip and a pre-rooted Odin image that doesn't trip Knox.
...I've seen tons of impatient users posting after rushing to grab the update asking how to rootagain, or how to unlock the new bootloader, how to get back things they used to have...over many many many devices. Just because T-Mobile has been cool in the past is no indicator that they will continue to be cool in the future.
...patience...

eruscool said:
Odin with the new firmware then boot into recovery and wipe the phone and cache. You'll be back to stock 4.4.2
I'm not sure if they're is any proven methods to achieve root without tripping Knox for 4.4.2, I personally don't care about tripping Knox and cf auto rooted.
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Which version of cf auto root did you use? I read only the n9005 works. The one for our phone (n900t) doesn't. I want to use it, but not sure which one, so instead of trial and error, maybe you can guide me where you got yours. Thanks.

bobbyphoenix said:
Which version of cf auto root did you use? I read only the n9005 works. The one for our phone (n900t) doesn't. I want to use it, but not sure which one, so instead of trial and error, maybe you can guide me where you got yours. Thanks.
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use this one http://download.chainfire.eu/352/CF-Root/CF-Auto-Root/CF-Auto-Root-hlte-hltexx-smn9005.zip
you're right the one for the tmobile variant does not work, i tried it first and it put me in a bootloop.
here's the firmware you need http://www.sammobile.com/firmwares/3/?download=26282
flash through odin, wipe the phone through the stock recovery then cf auto root also through the included odin.
EDIT: i for got to mention, if you use cf root YOU WILL TRIP KNOX. if you don't want to trip knox, don't update or update but don't cf auto root and wait till someone comes out with a workaround.

[Q] Need help upgrading Android if possible?

I rooted my Samsung Galaxy Note 8 GT-N5110 wifi version using CF-Auto-Root. It is running Android 4.1.2 and now that the new tablets have come out ie; 8.4" tab, note 12.1 2014 edition etc., I don't think there's much hope for Samsung to update the OS as the device has been out for approx 14 months.
So anyway I rooted because I was low on memory and wanted to move some apps to ext SD card. However being on Android 4.1.2 I believe is the reason I still cannot do this. Any apps I have downloaded from the Play Store won't let me do this. I have read online that this feature was added in higher version of Android. From what I have read 4.3 is more stable than 4.2.2.
Wondering if there is any way I can get Android 4.3 on my device? I have read a bit about 'cyanogenMod's' and 'clockwork recovery' and don't really understand much about it yet.
Is there any way for me to re-root my device so that I will have Android 4.3? If so, would I have to un-root it first before rooting again?
This Note 8 tablet is the second device I rooted. The first was my S3 phone which was great after rooting as I just wanted to freeze the bloatware using Titanium Backup Pro which I did. Love it. But with the Note 8, rooting it has not achieved what I need so far. Hoping someone can help this almost newbie!!

There is no 4.3 for our device the only thing that is out there right now is the ported version of 4.3 made available to us by @ykkfive found here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2642647 there are some rumors that we might get Kit-Kat 4.4 so IMHO I think they are going to bypass 4.3 all together for our device, but again those are just rumors.
As far as custom recovery goes I would suggest you look into Philz recovery made available to us by @Phil3759 found here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2201860
Hoping this help
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Unroot and push 4.2.2, all your issues will be solved. I tried custom ROMs and found stock 4.2.2 works just fine, without Google Music Player update or just disable it all together.
PS, use saferoot.zip next time... it does not require flashing, and will not break your device from using OTA or Kies for firmware updates.
Now you need to run triangle away to clear your flash counter before removing root.

Two things:
One: the current version is 4.2.2. If you are running 4.1, there is an update available
Two: Samsung stated that there will be an update to KK for our devices.
There has never been a 4.3 ROM for our device, nor is there a compelling reason to have one. Plenty of KK ROMs in the development section though, although I really didn't care for any of the ones I tried. The only way I know to root this device is with CF Autoroot, and that is also what worked for me. I am not sure why it did not work for you. Once you root, you can do everything you've been able to do with your S3.

Thank you for the helpful replies.
@gooberdude I guess the first thing I need to do from what you're saying is use Triangle Away to reset the counter. Then to unroot. No clue how to do this, but I guess I've got a lot of searching to do to find out. Any help would be appreciated!
You mention to 'push' 4.2.2. It is not available either over the air or through kies. So, how do I do this? Again help would be appreciated!
Thanks!

Yes use triangle away to reset counter then if you not already have done so download and install Odin 1.85
Next search the stock firmware for your model here http://www.sammobile.com/firmwares/
Get your Note into download mode ( Press and keep holding the Volume Down, Home and Power ) and connect it to your PC, Odin should "see" it the first slot under ID:slot should turn a different color if so you are in good shape, now put the Firmware you download from above mentioned site click PDA*button and select the downloaded .tar.md5 file, Important: In Odin, make sure Auto Reboot and F. Reset Time options are enabled. Also, ensure that the Re-partition checkbox is not enabled and hit start and let Odin do the rest and you should be up and running in no time
Hoping this helps
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Harjan112 said:
Next search the stock firmware for your model here http://www.sammobile.com/firmwares/
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Which country do I choose? (I am in Canada) Do I pick any of the english speaking ones who have 4.2.2?
i used Odin 3.07 is that the right one? ....Still looking at the rest of your post instructions. Thanks!

Festivale26 said:
Which country do I choose? (I am in Canada) Do I pick any of the english speaking ones who have 4.2.2?
i used Odin 3.07 is that the right one? ....Still looking at the rest of your post instructions. Thanks!
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You can also check here http://samsung-updates.com/device/?id=GT-N5110 look for XAR "cellular south" from what i read this is the "US-version" or look for BTU "United Kingdom" both should work as long as it is for GT-N5110 you should be good.
As far as Odin goes I have used 1.85 and that worked for me really well, if 3.07 worked for you then that is great and I would stick with that
Hoping this helps
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Harjan112 said:
You can also check here http://samsung-updates.com/device/?id=GT-N5110 look for XAR "cellular south" from what i read this is the "US-version" or look for BTU "United Kingdom" both should work as long as it is for GT-N5110 you should be good.
As far as Odin goes I have used 1.85 and that worked for me really well, if 3.07 worked for you then that is great and I would stick with that
Hoping this helps
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Thanks for all the help. I will try this tomorrow. Too tired tonight. Thanks again!

Festivale26 said:
Thanks for all the help. I will try this tomorrow. Too tired tonight. Thanks again!
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So I've been doing a lot of searching and reading online before doing more to my Note 8 tablet. Cause if I knew then what I know now I wouldn't have rooted it.
Anyway, I have seen a YouTube video of how you can unroot your phone (tablet - any Android) using Super SU. I assume I should use Triange Away first then do that. Then there are 3 files I need to remove: /system/bin/su + /system/xbin/su + /system/app/Superuser.apk.
Then of course remove any apps that I installed that required root access like Greenify, Busybox Free, Multiwindow Manager etc.
So if I do that it sounds like I will be back to a warrantied fully stock Note 8.
SO MY QUESTION THEN: How do I upgrade my firmware to 4.2.2 and if I do will I be voiding the 2 year warranty I have bearing in mind I will have unrooted my device?

Festivale26 said:
SO MY QUESTION THEN: How do I upgrade my firmware to 4.2.2 and if I do will I be voiding the 2 year warranty I have bearing in mind I will have unrooted my device?
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If you download a stock Rom and flash it with Odin from one of those sites I mentioned before you will be on 4.2.2 it will flash a full stock firmware, and therefore you do not have to "upgrade" your firmware, so in short if you use triangle away and flash a stock Rom your Note will be like the day you first broke the seal and took it out of the box.
Now if you decide to get 4.1.2 then you could "update" to 4.2.2 by going to... settings...about device...software update...update and let the device look for an update and let it install.
Hoping this helps
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Wha??? If you have stock ROM and it is rooted... run trianagle away, and have it clear out your counter. Once cleared you can verify then do a factory reset after you boot to home screen. Once reset, you will have a clean like new OS load. then you can push an OTA with settings, about device, check for updates. If you flashed

Of course you have to USE triangle away but isn't that what I already had stated above when I said go the Odin way and flash a stock Rom?
And also generally speaking, a factory reset does not always erase data stored on the internal or external sd card. This data must be manually erased by formatting the sd cards.
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Wha??? If you have stock ROM and it is rooted... run trianagle away, and have it clear out your counter. Once cleared you can verify then do a factory reset after you boot to home screen. Once reset, you will have a clean like new OS load. then you can push an OTA with settings, about device, check for updates. If you flashed
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I rooted using CF-Auto-Root so that I could use apps like app2sd to free up some space on the internal 16gb (9 or 10 gb available to user) by moving apps to ext sd card. I did not add a mod or recovery or anything else after rooting. I am in Canada and there are no OTA updates available for the Note 8. So I am stuck at Android 4.1.2. After I rooted I realized that what I really need is at least Android 4.2.2 in order to move apps to ext SD card.
So, ideally, what I'd really like to do is unroot my device after using Triange Away, delete the 3 leftover files I mentioned earlier, and then delete any apps that require root. I have a warranty until February 2016 and I'd really like to be able to use it if necessary as I've heard that some have had battery issues after several months use. ANYWAY, is there any way I can stay unrooted, and yet upgrade the OS to 4.2.2 (which does not seem to be available here in Canadan-I guess we're stuck at 4.1.2. Even if 4.4.2 KitKat becomes available it will not help me with my low storage issue as KitKat stops apps from writing to ext SD Card. SO, I really prefer to have 4.2.2.
I am assuming all the instructions everyone has offered me above all have me remain rooted? Would I be able to remain rooted, upgrade to 4.2.2 then use Triangle Away and unroot?
Sorry for the long winded post, just wanted to clarify a few things.

The ONLY way for you to get 4.2.2 if you are not able to get an O.T.A..... is too USE triangle away as @gooberdude has stated AND donwload and Flash a 4.2.2 Stock Rom with Odin from one of the site that I gave you above, you will NOT be rooted after you flash the Stock Rom and you should not have any warranty issues at all.
Hoping this will clear things up
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@Harjan112 Yes thanks! That answers my question!

Harjan112 said:
Of course you have to USE triangle away but isn't that what I already had stated above when I said go the Odin way and flash a stock Rom?
And also generally speaking, a factory reset does not always erase data stored on the internal or external sd card. This data must be manually erased by formatting the sd cards.
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I know a factory reset will not erase SD storage... As for that, really there should not be any thing there the system needs to operate. So what ever is on SD is not important to the OS.
As for getting root without flashing... Saferoot.zip. I have it installed and never had to use Triangle away. the nice thing about it, is that OTA and Kies will allow firmware updates. So, when updates become available, I'll be able to update.
If the OP would backup the important stuff he needs, and just do a factory reset, he should have a near factory untouched OS. This will allow OTA and Kies to function. Then all he needs to do is set USB debug in developer options and run saferoot.zip from a windows pc or laptop. As an option install rootcloak and substrate apps to truly hide root from apps that may detect it. Once done your rooted device will be just as upgradable as a factory device.

Festivale26 said:
@Harjan112 Yes thanks! That answers my question!
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So have you tried flashing already? I have the same problem in Brazil, OTA / Kies never detects an update to 4.1.2... And I don't even rooted or anything that could impact the process.

@gooberdude I like your idea of using safe root but I don't understand what 'flashing' means nor what cloakroom is although I am guessing it's an app? Also what are substrate apps? @fmachado2906 as I said I don't know what flashing means.
Why does Samsung send some countries an update but not others? It's frustrating.
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Festivale26 said:
@gooberdude I like your idea of using safe root but I don't understand what 'flashing' means nor what cloakroom is although I am guessing it's an app? Also what are substrate apps? @fmachado2906 as I said I don't know what flashing means.
Why does Samsung send some countries an update but not others? It's frustrating.
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@Festivale26 flashing = downloading the firmware, opening Odin, setting up the firmware there and clicking on Start, not necessarily in this same order =)
By the way I'm tired of waiting, just downloading 4.2.2 and will try later.. I'll let you know how it went.

[Q] Stock

ok, i am running Lollipop 5.0.1 on SM-N910P, my question is if i go and get the current rooted .img and flash it using ODIN, would it trip my knox? sence it would be a stock Kernel. i have Tried KingoRoot, Pingpong root, Towelroot, Activeroot, SuperRoot, king-root. i am having such a hard time with this, only had the phone sence February and i dont want to trip knox.
or would it be possible to install a modified signature .ZIP of superuser and install it on normal recovery? thanks

Knox II will trip with any root method; none known that won't trip Knox for Note 4.
CF Auto Root will work in Odin for your OE1 build but you're limited to CM12 or Noterized Stable for custom ROMs; the others won't boot and full Odin stock tars won't work and there's no OE1 tar either. This is not a standard Sprint OTA; I don't think a OE1 tar will be released; it's long overdue.
If you're still interested, there's a request for stock OE1 recovery; it needs to be backed up and shared in order to help some other rooted OE1 users to take the next OTA to 5.1.1 whenever that releases. Without it, you would be waiting on a tar as well; stuck. To get the recovery backed up, root in Odin (root only), download Flashify in Google Play and backup the stock recovery before you upgrade to TWRP. Share that gem with others that need it. Here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=61456449
Still with me? Next you would need TWRP to backup your stock rooted OE1 for a backup if some flash or mod goes awry.
Finally, you could modify the stock Rom or flash Noterized and back it up as well. Keep all these recommended backups in a safe place like on your sdcard and duplicates on PC hard drive.
Read, be careful and ask the questions when you don't understand and you'll avoid the problems others have unexpectedly ran into or got stuck with. OE1 is basically a broken update that shouldn't have got pushed.
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eankk said:
ok, i am running Lollipop 5.0.1 on SM-N910P, my question is if i go and get the current rooted .img and flash it using ODIN, would it trip my knox? sence it would be a stock Kernel. i have Tried KingoRoot, Pingpong root, Towelroot, Activeroot, SuperRoot, king-root. i am having such a hard time with this, only had the phone sence February and i dont want to trip knox.
or would it be possible to install a modified signature .ZIP of superuser and install it on normal recovery? thanks
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I don't think so without root access
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There is no oel stock recovery no one has it
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Yeah I only want root for the WiFi tether for root and sound boost, o well I will just stick with PDAnet. I was hoping there was something out there. But I am familiar with rooting very well, this is the 1st time that I am stumped and getting frustrated with it. But at least I asked though

eankk said:
Yeah I only want root for the WiFi tether for root and sound boost, o well I will just stick with PDAnet. I was hoping there was something out there. But I am familiar with rooting very well, this is the 1st time that I am stumped and getting frustrated with it. But at least I asked though
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It's still just as simple; just fewer choices with OE1. Some have said Bluetooth is broken in some applications of its purpose, IDK for sure.
I made the request for the stock recovery which would add an extra step if you chose to help.
If Knox trip is a concern, sorry to be the bearer of bad news. Just to clarify...
I could post some links if that helps? Want them posted?
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samep said:
It's still just as simple; just fewer choices with OE1. Some have said Bluetooth is broken in some applications of its purpose, IDK for sure.
I made the request for the stock recovery which would add an extra step if you chose to help.
If Knox trip is a concern, sorry to be the bearer of bad news. Just to clarify...
I could post some links if that helps? Want them posted?
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I will help, but I don't know coding or any development things, yeah knox trip is a big concern, (when I had my s4 I rooted and tripped knox, the SIM card error poped up and sprint said sorry we can't do anything Warrinty is void, only had it 9 months).... yes Pease

eankk said:
I will help, but I don't know coding or any development things, yeah knox trip is a big concern, (when I had my s4 I rooted and tripped knox, the SIM card error poped up and sprint said sorry we can't do anything Warrinty is void, only had it 9 months).... yes Pease
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Did it still have custom recovery or root or mods installed when warranty was denied? Backing up these may help, if needed. Can't guarantee that but I'd try another service facility if turned down initially. Just tell them we never had this conversation. Lately, I'm hearing Sprint is cracking down on root. I've had conversations with tech and admitted I root as a right. It's not illegal but warranty is becoming another subject.
I'll post the links here shortly if someone doesn't beat me to it.
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samep said:
Did it still have custom recovery or root or mods installed when warranty was denied? Backing up these may help, if needed. Can't guarantee that but I'd try another service facility if turned down initially. Just tell them we never had this conversation. Lately, I'm hearing Sprint is cracking down on root. I've had conversations with tech and admitted I root as a right. It's not illegal but warranty is becoming another subject.
I'll post the links here shortly if someone doesn't beat me to it.
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Nope everytime I took it to a sprint store I flashed it back to complete stock and made sure that the newest version of Android was on it. He is like your knox sensor is tripped. Then I said. "I messed up my phone bad and had to flash stock firmware back on it (when I got the note 4, the chick who sold it to me used to work for Samsung and we where talking about rooting, and then I asked about the sensor if it can be reversed she said, once it is tripped not even samsung can fix it) and damn I did not know sprint was cracking down on root. That's crappy

Links and steps to root OE1, backing up stock recovery
CF Auto root Download SM-N910P; follow OP for instructions. (Use Odin)
Flashify use to backup stock recovery. (Share using link in post 2 above; thanks in advance.)
Use Flashify app to get TWRP recovery (select latest tar, not zip; Odin tar is optional and TWRP Manager is optional: ) You'll need to make a stock nandroid backup once you have custom recovery.
Noterized stable 2 follow OP for install instructions; it will flash over OE1. (If so inclined to stay with TouchWiz custom ROM) TWRP/nandroid backup again; label these backups and keep safe.

samep said:
CF Auto root Download SM-N910P; follow OP for instructions. (Use Odin)
Flashify use to backup stock recovery. (Share using link in post 2 above; thanks in advance.)
Use Flashify app to get TWRP recovery (select latest tar, not zip; Odin tar is optional and TWRP Manager is optional: ) You'll need to make a stock nandroid backup once you have custom recovery.
Noterized stable 2 follow OP for install instructions; it will flash over OE1. (If so inclined to stay with TouchWiz custom ROM) TWRP/nandroid backup again; label these backups and keep safe.
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^^ Sticky this beautiful answer to the ever lasting-never ending redundant OE1 question. Eventually we'll need some thread pruning.

So I understand.
Samsung is the one who would release the tar right and you are saying they have not released it because it is buggy?

Mship said:
So I understand.
Samsung is the one who would release the tar right and you are saying they have not released it because it is buggy?
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Consider the facts as we know them. Sprint shouldn't have released it; it's the ugly duckling of a long string of unlocked bootloaders for dancing phones on Sprint. There's a new OS lock intended to protect the owner of a lost phone from easily being written over to bypass a screen lock with a battery pull and Odin tar. But there should also be a user switch to momentary bypass this so Odin wouldn't have been totally broken to rightful owner. Maybe Samsung didn't intend for that to happen and Sprint didn't know better? But since as some have reported that Bluetooth is not fully functional; Sprint should have caught that. I'd say they both collectively hold the blame since it wasn't immediately addressed. I'd blame Sprint more for not halting the update, infecting more users. Hopefully, they're trying to fix that. Maybe they were but decided to work on 5.1.1 update instead?
If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck...; it must be a duck. It sounds odd to many here, from what I've read. But this is an ugly one. They both should own it, admit it, fix with an immediate update and move on. Until then, make the most of it; apparently, you can't expect a fix by taking it back to Sprint and some warranty replacements had the update pre-installed or quickly updated. Just plain wrong; a definition of insanity.
Maybe mostly opinionated but specifically, are there exceptions to the above for those that got OE1? I think there were some that said the only drawback is not being able to downgrade or recover a soft bricked phone. I could be wrong but just impressed by those OE1 users that have commented.
Edit: short answer is yes because users could update in KIES and that would make Samsung directly to blame for those users. Silence seems to indicate the bugs exist. And may signal a user need to wait for tars to be released which indicates Samsung deems the release as stable.
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Update
So I just got a new update, does anyone know anything about it?