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For the longest, i've been trying to get the full cricket service working under xdandroid, CM6, etc, on the RAPH800 phone using various methods posted in this forum, ppcgeeks, connect-utb, and other blogs... to no avail. The best was talk/sms, and using the web browser, access the web via the data line.
and then i found this: cricket wireless has a "new" android plan that will work for their android phones.
Has anyone using cricket and a flashed/haret'ed android os subscribed to the "android plan ($55)" and got the full cricket wireless services working?
(talk, text, mms, email, market, data, etc.)
The RAPH800 isn't an Android device, so the Android-specific plans don't apply.
For example, Sprint & VZW charge extra (you must have a certain teir plan) to get an Android device. Heck I've heard SERO members on Sprint outright cannot purchase an Android device without giving up SERO entirely.
So the trick is probably related to the Cricket proxy - have you tried setting it up...?
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arrrghhh said:
The RAPH800 isn't an Android device, so the Android-specific plans don't apply.
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So the trick is probably related to the Cricket proxy - have you tried setting it up...?
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Yes. And in the APN settings, i am able to browse the web, but not log onto the google account nor visit the Market.
i even tried the u2nl and autostart.sh solution to no avail.
My guess would be: subscribe to the "android plan" and then apply those solutions... but the plan is beyond my budget for the time being.
edward_b said:
My guess would be: subscribe to the "android plan" and then apply those solutions... but the plan is beyond my budget for the time being.
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I would recommend against that - you could end up applying for a plan that could potentially cause issues with your device (probably not, but you never know...)
At best you'd end up paying more money and since you don't have an actual Android phone not be able to reap the benefits of having an actual Android phone...
Is there a global place to adjust proxy settings? Perhaps Cricket sees the market traffic and outright blocks it... that is a shame if that's the case. Personally, I wouldn't pony up for an Android plan unless I was running an Android phone...
It's kinda a stupid workaround, but can you access the market and google services thru wifi?
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Is there a global place to adjust proxy settings?
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The only obvious place is through the APN Settings
sure, one can hack into the files relating to networking (since it is linux-based)... but any changes via GUI would over-write the files. (anyone wanna confirm this claim? )
Perhaps there's an app in the Marketplace dealing with proxies... (anyone wanna recommend one? )
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It's kinda a stupid workaround, but can you access the market and google services thru wifi?
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THAT is the only way i can access market and google services for now...
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Perhaps Cricket sees the market traffic and outright blocks it... that is a shame if that's the case.
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i get the same response from the other related forums... including the word "Perhaps" ... but no hard evidence.
Is there a way to determine if this is really true using the android debugger, or some other tools?
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i get the same response from the other related forums... including the word "Perhaps" ... but no hard evidence.
Is there a way to determine if this is really true using the android debugger, or some other tools?
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I would imagine if you could run a netstat command while trying to access said services, and if you get any SYN_SENT's... then it's pretty certain that it is being blocked.
I could also be barking up the wrong tree, that's just how I would probably figure it out if it was a computer
The easiest way is have a dealer add your TP to the account as the Zio then change it to the 60z "$55 Android plan" refresh the features.
Then for the setting on the phone:
Using CDMA WS or the likes write the NV files from whiterabbit.org set the EVDO passwords, double check all the epst setting, then check your data connection in WM. If it's working in WM flash the Android ROM of your liking, waite for the 3g or H icon to appear and you will have a fully flashed Android TP. Also note you will need an updated PRL, most are using 32100.
I am proof it is working, I have it running on a Touch and plan to load it on the wifes TP this weekend.
whitey10tc said:
The easiest way is have a dealer add your TP to the account as the Zio then change it to the 60z "$55 Android plan" refresh the features.
Then for the setting on the phone:
Using CDMA WS or the likes write the NV files from whiterabbit.org set the EVDO passwords, double check all the epst setting, then check your data connection in WM. If it's working in WM flash the Android ROM of your liking, waite for the 3g or H icon to appear and you will have a fully flashed Android TP. Also note you will need an updated PRL, most are using 32100.
I am proof it is working, I have it running on a Touch and plan to load it on the wifes TP this weekend.
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Thanks for affirming it works... for the Touch.
However, from the sites observed, the Touch Pro does not have the NAND option working, and we're stuck with using the Haret method instead... unless i'm mistaken.
With Haret, is it the same proceedure as you've outlined above, or is there another?
I wouldn't see the point of paying extra for something that's only usuable part-time...
I had too many call-related issues to be running Android full-time.
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Thanks for affirming it works... for the Touch.
However, from the sites observed, the Touch Pro does not have the NAND option working, and we're stuck with using the Haret method instead... unless i'm mistaken.
With Haret, is it the same proceedure as you've outlined above, or is there another?
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Haret or NAND, it doesn't really matter.
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I wouldn't see the point of paying extra for something that's only usuable part-time...
I had too many call-related issues to be running Android full-time.
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If you had a WM device on the Android plan it's going to open the access up. You will get full use of POP email, apps that you may not now.
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If you had a WM device on the Android plan it's going to open the access up. You will get full use of POP email, apps that you may not now.
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Yes but IMHO it would only make sense to pay extra for something that you can use. Not that Android is completely unusable, it's just not usable as a full-time OS.
Over the past 2 weeks, I have tried to research the answers to my questions, but could barely find anything on this particular subject. So it's my first time posting to this forum, and my situation is a little embarrassing. I have had my htc evo for about 1 1/2 years, and I finally decided to root it 2 weeks ago. I've been with sprint for 6 years, and am on the unlimited data family plan, as well as the sprint hotspot feature on my phone, which I pay them 30 dollars additionally every month. I pretty much exclusively use my phone for all tasks and browsing and downloading etc, so I didn't get this feature for the "wireless tethering" , I actually got it so I could discontinue my home wireless internet through cox communications, so my phone is my only wifi source at home. I almost never use an actual pc!
I rooted my evo for 2 reasons mainly: 1) I am sort of an app addict, and I needed to free some space on my phone. I especially love using different keyboards ( which are often very large files). 2) I love customizing my home screens, but want to be able to use icons from icon packs such as crazy home's, with ADW launcher etc. I did a factory data reset on my phone before rooting, and I think I backed up all my apps to my laptop... but I wanted to start fresh anyway, so have not bothered to restore them from my pc to my phone.
Two days before I rooted my phone, Sprint temporarily disconnected my account do to Past due payment. I'm not going to get into the details, But I can't afford to pay off my balance until May. It is what it is, I'm not whining or complaining, times are a little tough for me financially and i just have to deal with not being able to make calls or text for a month. Lol, it's harder than I thought! It's pathetic how dependent my family has become on cell phones and texting for communication. We don't even have a land line. Just to give you a quick background, I didn't even know what sd card was, or a usb cable, before I got my htc evo. I'm not tech savvy at all, But when I first learned what this phone could do I was hooked. I have a laptop at home, But I never use it because a few keys on the keyboard are broken. As a matter of fact, The first time I actually plugged my phone into my pc, was when I rooted it!. I used the unrevoked 3 method, which was fairly straightforward. Because I have no data access right now, I was unable to update my profile etc. And of course, without data access I cannot take advantage of the free wireless tether.
My main question is, did I make a mistake in rooting my phone while not having network access? Right now, if I'm not in a wifi area I basically can't do much with my phone. I downloaded a few apps that allow free calling over a wireless connection, and facebook chat,etc... so I can communicate with my family as long as I'm in a wifi zone. But, I have been afraid to do anything else with my phone because I wanted to do a little research on this. I know some of you are probably thinking, why didn't she research it before she rooted? Lol, I would be saying the same thing! I didn't even think about it until I was done routing and it told me to update my profile. Since then I've been a little freaked. I'm hoping I didn't Make a bad choice. I just wanted to the able to access a few icon packs lol.
Is there anything I should know, or have done differently? Or does it make no difference at all? I guess basically what I'm getting at, is can I go ahead and reset my phone again and start flashing roms, just like I would if I had network access?
Again, please forgive me if I sound ignorant in this matter... because I am. Any advice will be much appreciated.
You can start flashing roms as normal. You didn't make a bad choice rooting without data access, because whether you do or don't doesn't make a different. i would say just make a back up of your apps in titanium backup, then backup your rom before flashing.
And you can pm me if you need any help.
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I would say to reflash ur rom but it might not work try to go back to the sense rom if u have it backed up once u do that update everything under ur settings nd updates nd if it still don't work the only other thing I know u can do is unroot it and take it to.sprint so thay can look it
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Over the past 2 weeks, I have tried to research the answers to my questions, but could barely find anything on this particular subject. So it's my first time posting to this forum, and my situation is a little embarrassing. I have had my htc evo for about 1 1/2 years, and I finally decided to root it 2 weeks ago. I've been with sprint for 6 years, and am on the unlimited data family plan, as well as the sprint hotspot feature on my phone, which I pay them 30 dollars additionally every month. I pretty much exclusively use my phone for all tasks and browsing and downloading etc, so I didn't get this feature for the "wireless tethering" , I actually got it so I could discontinue my home wireless internet through cox communications, so my phone is my only wifi source at home. I almost never use an actual pc!
I rooted my evo for 2 reasons mainly: 1) I am sort of an app addict, and I needed to free some space on my phone. I especially love using different keyboards ( which are often very large files). 2) I love customizing my home screens, but want to be able to use icons from icon packs such as crazy home's, with ADW launcher etc. I did a factory data reset on my phone before rooting, and I think I backed up all my apps to my laptop... but I wanted to start fresh anyway, so have not bothered to restore them from my pc to my phone.
Two days before I rooted my phone, Sprint temporarily disconnected my account do to Past due payment. I'm not going to get into the details, But I can't afford to pay off my balance until May. It is what it is, I'm not whining or complaining, times are a little tough for me financially and i just have to deal with not being able to make calls or text for a month. Lol, it's harder than I thought! It's pathetic how dependent my family has become on cell phones and texting for communication. We don't even have a land line. Just to give you a quick background, I didn't even know what sd card was, or a usb cable, before I got my htc evo. I'm not tech savvy at all, But when I first learned what this phone could do I was hooked. I have a laptop at home, But I never use it because a few keys on the keyboard are broken. As a matter of fact, The first time I actually plugged my phone into my pc, was when I rooted it!. I used the unrevoked 3 method, which was fairly straightforward. Because I have no data access right now, I was unable to update my profile etc. And of course, without data access I cannot take advantage of the free wireless tether.
My main question is, did I make a mistake in rooting my phone while not having network access? Right now, if I'm not in a wifi area I basically can't do much with my phone. I downloaded a few apps that allow free calling over a wireless connection, and facebook chat,etc... so I can communicate with my family as long as I'm in a wifi zone. But, I have been afraid to do anything else with my phone because I wanted to do a little research on this. I know some of you are probably thinking, why didn't she research it before she rooted? Lol, I would be saying the same thing! I didn't even think about it until I was done routing and it told me to update my profile. Since then I've been a little freaked. I'm hoping I didn't Make a bad choice. I just wanted to the able to access a few icon packs lol.
Is there anything I should know, or have done differently? Or does it make no difference at all? I guess basically what I'm getting at, is can I go ahead and reset my phone again and start flashing roms, just like I would if I had network access?
Again, please forgive me if I sound ignorant in this matter... because I am. Any advice will be much appreciated.
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Not being able to update the profile won't make any difference at all, if you have no data connection to begin with. Once you're able to get things situated, and you need to get your phone activated again, you'll just need to make sure you're on a Sense rom before you activate it again. No worries, you can flash away all you want, with or without a data connection.
Also, how have you had your Evo for 1 1/2 years!? They were released June 4th last year!
Ha ha really? I feel like I've had this evo for years.. since the day I got it I've been like a kid in a candy store! Thanks for the reassurance everyone. Unfortunately, I've just encountered the problem with the SD card not being recognized by my phone or my PC. According to my research, I'm supposed to find this file on my SD card under android. secure and delete it? But my PC isn't recognizing my card, and my apps that are on SD are seen by my phone. I get a force close when attempting to unmount SD. My market apps won't install or uninstall.... ugh. Like an idiot,I never did a Nandroid backup. I really don't care about losing my app backups though,I just don't want to mess up my phone. All this information is overwhelming me... Nandroid this, titanium that, recovery boot, drivers, and on and on.... so much advice is outdated I don't know which to follow. I'm a dummy! That's why I need my smartphone to help me out lol.... how do I fix this?
Eek....I just saw a gigantic spider.... creepy..
in a nutshell, you can do anything with your phone, without data access, or service.
I rooted and flashed the ROM I did for my old Moment, after it had been turned off so I could sell it.
Now that you are rooted, I uses Titanium backup for all my apps/data. I only backup actually apps, not HTC stuff, etc, or anything that comes with the ROM you flash.
You can tell this becasue the apps are in white lettering in the Backup menu.
At least they are on mine, and I use all default settings.
rooted without data access
Thanks everyone...I fixed my problem with my sd card, turns out mine had gotten corrupted so I will deal with that later.I just put in my other card and Im back in business....lost all my personal info though. Thats the least of my worries. Someone said I can do anything on my phone without data service, but they must mean only when I am in Wifi zone right ? See, unfortunately, I dont live in a populated area. I have no wifi access at home and there are hardly any free wifi spots in town. At home, I can see that there are wifi networks around (linkys via cox communications), but they are locked. Oh, thats another question i had....why do people lock their wifi? I never did, and I have no problem letting others access mine when they need it. Should I? If so, why?I am so sorry if I sound clueless again, but Im learning a little more every day thanks to people like you!
So as far as communication, Im out of luck. A couple months ago,I had an issue connecting to the network while i was at home, but i just turned on my sprint hotspot and i had instant network access so i couldnt call or text, but i was able to get a hold of my daughter on facebook lol. How did my phone do that? I dont get it. I am going to a couple of those prepaid phones tomorrow so we can make calls in the meantime.
As far as navigation, any tips on how to find any apps that dont need network access that work well? I found a couple, but they seem so complicated to set up. And, I tried Nettalk for making calls over wifi but it only works sometimes. I read about apps that offer free sms and calls over wifi but I couldnt find one that was stable.
I cant wait to get my service restored..I didnt realize how much I depended on it. I still havent flashed any ROMS...Im a little nervous. I still dont totally understand what is different about my evo now tthat its rooted, but i plan to educate myself once I get full access to wifi again.
Any advice/tips is very much appreciated. Thanks again for this useful forum.
So I've had my desire a year, been on Three's Sim15 plan, where its sim only and i get 2GB of data. Been tethering fine for that whole year. Now i'm in new halls of residence (Uni dorm) and the internet is awefull. So i moved my plan over to sim10 with all you can eat data, figuring id continue to tether, no problem. Well its been a day and now every time i go to a website on my PC, i get blocked by threes "your not allowed to tether" website.
Basically, I've tried Barnicle, pdaNet 3, easy tether and wifi tether, all to no avail (i even set my chrome user gent to that of android, didn't work). Do i have any hope of getting round this annoying block, or am i going to have to live with internet only on my phone.
Sorry if I've posted in the wrong place, or been ignorant to Tethering developments, but i wasn't able to find anything on the matter.
are you in the uk?
Yes, to be honest i was unaware Three operated in any other territories. What is the significance of this?
No significance, I was just wondering as I am in the UK on three too
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I'm on the Text 500 plan with an HTC Desire.
Have zero problems tethering although you're only meant to tether on the one plan AFAIK.
Yes, it is only The One Plan that has tethering. But i don't want to pay £25 a month. I was wondering, would connecting my phone to a VPN hide all traffic, including trafic form my PC?
cant explain of major experience, but i tethered my desire (htc desire) to a laptop whilst i was out onsite at a job, and visited numerous websites, and they all worked fine?
Are you on stock or rooted rom? Maybe try a different rom or version of android.
Maybe you can find some help here: http://androidforums.com/desire-support-troubleshooting/82054-internet-tethering-orange-mobile.html
I am on CM7.1
i don't think its a case of ROM's. But i suppose i could try Oxygen real quick. Like i said, it used to work fine on the 30 day rolling contract, but now its a 12th month contact, im getting told off.
Like i said before, would a VPN hide all my traffic? if i connected to it on my phone, and then tethered to my pc.
[edit] just tried oxygen, didn't help, still get the tether splash page.
Peelypeel said:
So I've had my desire a year, been on Three's Sim15 plan, where its sim only and i get 2GB of data. Been tethering fine for that whole year. Now i'm in new halls of residence (Uni dorm) and the internet is awefull. So i moved my plan over to sim10 with all you can eat data.
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Ok, there's your problem, the plan change.
Three only allow tethering officially on either the one plan or with the Add internet max add-on. See link ...
http://ask3.three.co.uk/srvs/cgi-bi...sername=Mobile:mobileUser?s_search=helpsearch
The 2GB internet on your old sim 15 plan was applied via free add internet max add-on, which Three allow tethering on.
It seems recently Three have started enforcing these rules (they havnt in the past) and must have applied some kind of detection to the network.
Im on the old sim 15 plan still with add internet max 2Gb add-on free and can still tether, as per Three's terms and conditions.
One thing you could try is changing the APN from Three.co.uk to 3internet, I cant promise it will work but worth a try, as doing that does get round Three's adult content filter at least
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Thanks for your answer usual, at least now i know why i could tether before. I've solved my problem by spending a little more money. I got a VPN, and login to it with my phone, then tether to my PC. So three don't see a single packet of readable data go through there network, so no way to detect if its my phone or PC. Works perfectly. 20GB downloaded so far Paying for a VPN certainly beats paying for unlimited tethered data.
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I was wondering if anyone knows how to override 3's tether block on iPhone 4?? Turns out they major screwed me over on my new contract, they gave me all you can eat data, but conveniently left out the part that I wouldn't be allowed to tether as it is only on the One Plan that you can do this! I have a separate PAYG 3 sim where I can get a £15 add on for the unlimited data that I'm using for the tethering now! It's so stupid having to pay twice just because they won't allow it. If anyone could help me I'd be SO grateful!
I am a bit new to all this, I'm quite technologically minded etc but I couldn't figure out the VPN stuff to see if it worked with iPhone.(I just tried this, turns out they cannot run together, when personal hotspot is connected, vpn disconnects, unless im doing it wrong)
Again any help would be much appreciated.
Thanks
Peelypeel said:
Thanks for your answer usual, at least now i know why i could tether before. I've solved my problem by spending a little more money. I got a VPN, and login to it with my phone, then tether to my PC. So three don't see a single packet of readable data go through there network, so no way to detect if its my phone or PC. Works perfectly. 20GB downloaded so far Paying for a VPN certainly beats paying for unlimited tethered data.
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Well done mate, have you got a guide on how you managed it?
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shahdhah said:
Hi
I was wondering if anyone knows how to override 3's tether block on iPhone 4?? Turns out they major screwed me over on my new contract, they gave me all you can eat data, but conveniently left out the part that I wouldn't be allowed to tether as it is only on the One Plan that you can do this! I have a separate PAYG 3 sim where I can get a £15 add on for the unlimited data that I'm using for the tethering now! It's so stupid having to pay twice just because they won't allow it. If anyone could help me I'd be SO grateful!
I am a bit new to all this, I'm quite technologically minded etc but I couldn't figure out the VPN stuff to see if it worked with iPhone.(I just tried this, turns out they cannot run together, when personal hotspot is connected, vpn disconnects, unless im doing it wrong)
Again any help would be much appreciated.
Thanks
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the only way i found was to jailbreak phone and then install tethering app. if your connected to three and not on the right plan they can make the hotspot thethering option vanish to stop your sharing.
Peelypeel said:
Thanks for your answer usual, at least now i know why i could tether before. I've solved my problem by spending a little more money. I got a VPN, and login to it with my phone, then tether to my PC. So three don't see a single packet of readable data go through there network, so no way to detect if its my phone or PC. Works perfectly. 20GB downloaded so far Paying for a VPN certainly beats paying for unlimited tethered data.
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is there any more news on how you were able to do this? or what vpn you used?
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Yes, it is only The One Plan that has tethering. But i don't want to pay £25 a month. I was wondering, would connecting my phone to a VPN hide all traffic, including trafic form my PC?
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You can get the one plan for less. I pay 15 per month on a HTC desire.
Blocked Internet from mobile to laptop
Peelypeel said:
Thanks for your answer usual, at least now i know why i could tether before. I've solved my problem by spending a little more money. I got a VPN, and login to it with my phone, then tether to my PC. So three don't see a single packet of readable data go through there network, so no way to detect if its my phone or PC. Works perfectly. 20GB downloaded so far Paying for a VPN certainly beats paying for unlimited tethered data.
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Hi what do u mean paying for VPN?
Am on 600 12 month plan hapily purchased that i will be surfing internet but those f**in bastardsblblocking internet browsing on laptop
I tried that pda thingy didnt help..
Can anybody help me?
Thanx so much
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leerees said:
You can get the one plan for less. I pay 15 per month on a HTC desire.
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Excuse me??that is bull**it
One plan is 25 pounds NOT 15 ! !
Am payin 15 pounds for 600 12 month!!
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is there any more news on how you were able to do this? or what vpn you used?
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I'm reviving a 2012 thread... sorry but i wanted to answer this because i was just search how to block teether on Three uk network.
1. You get a free/paid VPN, maybe that has gateways in your country (show be faster),
2. then you set up your phone : System settings - More settings - VPN - Add VPN - put any name, select connection type (usually PPTP) and put the server address (any other settings depends on the VPN you use)
3. the new VPN will show up in the list, tap once
4. put the username / password provided by the free/paid VPN provider.
Enjoy...
now i'm trying some free VPNs...for now, maybe i'll try some trials from paid ones and then decide because i don't see the point in buying a VPN if i can only get 500kb/s
Please update with any results
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iEthos said:
Excuse me??that is bull**it
One plan is 25 pounds NOT 15 ! !
Am payin 15 pounds for 600 12 month!!
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And what there ain't something called negotiation I'm getting 50% off on all contracts!!!
I swear people ether are thick enough to believe the prices these companies quote or have ZERO negotiation skills.
So today I got the letter in the mail from AT&T telling me that I need to stop tethering or that I'll lose my old grandfathered in unlimited data plan and be moved to plan that supports tethering and a data cap.
I called the number they gave me to get some info on what they were going to say they told me very generally that they have detected tethering and that if I don't stop by the end of the month, they will bump my plan. She gave me a laundry list of things that are considered tethering, from wifi hotspots to getting internet access for a gaming console.
I pressed very hard to find out what exactly I have done that they register as tethering more than anything I wanted specifics. She told me several times that they couldn't give out specifics as that is proprietary information. When I suggested that this might just them trying to force me onto a more expensive plan since they were unable to give me any proof that I had been tethering, she paused and said that she's wait while I look in my phone for tethering apps. I told her I don't have any tethering apps and she told me to look again. After some back and forth, she told me that the mere existence of a tethering app on the phone was considered tethering.
Beyond the issue of tethering at the moment I'm bothered that they even know what apps are on my phone and that they might use the existence of an app as justification to alter my service.
Has anyone heard of the carrier looking at apps like this before? From a privacy standpoint, I'd like to see if there is some way to keep their nose out of my business. Anyone know of a way to keep AT&T out of my phone?
If you were to have a tethering app on your phone (and of course, you don't), what would it be? i.e., if AT&T can detect certain apps, what, do you suppose (without admitting anything incriminating), are the apps they're talking about?
I can't imagine they'd be crazy enough to surreptitiously audit the content of a subscriber's phone, and then tacitly admit to it with this sort of inquiry. But I could imagine that they can detect tethering "signatures" via snooping network traffic. For example, if you tether to a PC and use that to browse the internet, the user agent will look different than when the phone's browser is being used. Or if you left a tethering session running and they saw your phone pulling down updates for Microsoft Windows, that'd sure be a dead giveaway. There's little if any reason to pull anything off Windows Update with a phone. They could maybe get away with detecting that sort of thing since they wouldn't be looking at data content, just whether or not the data source was consistent with a smartphone or not...
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So today I got the letter in the mail from AT&T telling me that I need to stop tethering or that I'll lose my old grandfathered in unlimited data plan and be moved to plan that supports tethering and a data cap.
I called the number they gave me to get some info on what they were going to say they told me very generally that they have detected tethering and that if I don't stop by the end of the month, they will bump my plan. She gave me a laundry list of things that are considered tethering, from wifi hotspots to getting internet access for a gaming console.
I pressed very hard to find out what exactly I have done that they register as tethering more than anything I wanted specifics. She told me several times that they couldn't give out specifics as that is proprietary information. When I suggested that this might just them trying to force me onto a more expensive plan since they were unable to give me any proof that I had been tethering, she paused and said that she's wait while I look in my phone for tethering apps. I told her I don't have any tethering apps and she told me to look again. After some back and forth, she told me that the mere existence of a tethering app on the phone was considered tethering.
Beyond the issue of tethering at the moment I'm bothered that they even know what apps are on my phone and that they might use the existence of an app as justification to alter my service.
Has anyone heard of the carrier looking at apps like this before? From a privacy standpoint, I'd like to see if there is some way to keep their nose out of my business. Anyone know of a way to keep AT&T out of my phone?
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Are you on stock AT&T rom?
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While I hope for their own sake that they aren't auditing software on the devices, I suppose they could be watching what people download. For instance, some tethering apps are just not available in the Play store if you are coming from AT&T or Sprint. I could see that perhaps in one of the many TOS agreements I clicked OK on without reading there was something that said they could sniff around my phone.
I assumed they would be looking at traffic, but after being quite vague over and over again, she was very specific about a tethering app. Agreed that as soon as a PC goes online it creates all kinds of traffic that wouldn't look like a smart phone.
I am using the stock / not rooted AT&T ROM at this point. I normally root right away, but I haven't really had a need on this one.
I would root and use a different ROM if I felt like it would keep their noses out of my junk. Even if I was tethering, I'm not using a crazy amount of data so I find the whole thing pretty silly.
Now I am thinking that if they do change my tethering plan without my permission, I have to assume that I can break my contract if I want and move elsewhere. Just not sure where I could get another Note II with unlimited data at a decent price.
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While I hope for their own sake that they aren't auditing software on the devices, I suppose they could be watching what people download. For instance, some tethering apps are just not available in the Play store if you are coming from AT&T or Sprint. I could see that perhaps in one of the many TOS agreements I clicked OK on without reading there was something that said they could sniff around my phone.
I assumed they would be looking at traffic, but after being quite vague over and over again, she was very specific about a tethering app. Agreed that as soon as a PC goes online it creates all kinds of traffic that wouldn't look like a smart phone.
I am using the stock / not rooted AT&T ROM at this point. I normally root right away, but I haven't really had a need on this one.
I would root and use a different ROM if I felt like it would keep their noses out of my junk. Even if I was tethering, I'm not using a crazy amount of data so I find the whole thing pretty silly.
Now I am thinking that if they do change my tethering plan without my permission, I have to assume that I can break my contract if I want and move elsewhere. Just not sure where I could get another Note II with unlimited data at a decent price.
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Also make sure you DONT use internet explorer that is a NO NO for tethering with AT&T they see the browser agent and KNOW that`s not possible without tethering.
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Also make sure you DONT use internet explorer that is a NO NO for tethering with AT&T they see the browser agent and KNOW that`s not possible without tethering.
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Prove I haven't just changed my agent string to make the stupid app server think I'm on a windows desktop and using IE.
One of my friends pinged me 2 days ago. He got the friendly text stating tethering isn't allowed without a tether plan. No tethering on his part, just a lot of vevo traffic.
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You could setup a linux machine at home and keep that running. Setup an SSH tunnel from your phone to your home linux box and tunnel all the tethering traffic through that. To AT&T that would just look like an encrypted ssh connection.
You could also run a Windows virtual machine on your phone. It's already been done.
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You could also run a Windows virtual machine on your phone. It's already been done.
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That wouldn't help. FIrst, I don't think there are any hardware network drivers for windows for the Note II, so it wouldn't be able to get internet. Second, If he did have internet, he would still run into the same issue of unencrypted traffic being sniffed by at&t. Sure he could setup an ssh tunnel from windows, but at that point it's just silly to run windows on the note just to encrypt traffic.
I assume one could use any VPN like the SSH tunnel or something like hotspot shield or similar as long as all traffic is forced through the tunnel and there really would be no way for anyone to tell what you are doing.
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I assume one could use any VPN like the SSH tunnel or something like hotspot shield or similar as long as all traffic is forced through the tunnel and there really would be no way for anyone to tell what you are doing.
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YA, thats the idea. As long as traffic is encrypted somehow there is little that AT&T can sniff.
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That wouldn't help. FIrst, I don't think there are any hardware network drivers for windows for the Note II, so it wouldn't be able to get internet. Second, If he did have internet, he would still run into the same issue of unencrypted traffic being sniffed by at&t. Sure he could setup an ssh tunnel from windows, but at that point it's just silly to run windows on the note just to encrypt traffic.
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I think he was perhaps referring to why there was traffic that looks like it originated from a PC coming from my phone. So if someone was running a VM on the phone itself it would produce some PC looking traffic. If that was the idea there, I assume tethering to a VM is still tethering?
Yeah: Provided you can run Qemu or Virtualbox you can run Windows in it, and it will have network access just like any VM would from a full sized computer. My point is that you can make a non-tethered phone generate the very same sort of IP traffic a computer would.
Heck, if the Fujitsu LOOX F-07C can run on AT&T, you don't even need a VM to generate connections to Windows Update and a desktop IE user agent!
I got the same message last week. I don't tether at all. I'm on cleanrom 4.5. Tried to request what apps they suspect me of using but wouldn't tell me either. I know all the apps I have on my phone as I keep things very simple. I will admit I do use a lot of data (4-4.5 gigs in 2 weeks lol)
I use Pandora and tunein app to stream music all the time. Only thing that I recently did out of the normal routine was use the desktop view on Google chrome. Would that give a different browser signature?
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I got the same message last week. I don't tether at all. I'm on cleanrom 4.5. Tried to request what apps they suspect me of using but wouldn't tell me either. I know all the apps I have on my phone as I keep things very simple. I will admit I do use a lot of data (4-4.5 gigs in 2 weeks lol)
I use Pandora and tunein app to stream music all the time. Only thing that I recently did out of the normal routine was use the desktop view on Google chrome. Would that give a different browser signature?
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Yes, it would show a user-agent string without indicating mobile. But not likely something to trigger a tether notice, as I use desktop view all the time. It's likely the high data usage that makes them think tether.
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So today I got the letter in the mail from AT&T telling me that I need to stop tethering or that I'll lose my old grandfathered in unlimited data plan and be moved to plan that supports tethering and a data cap.
I called the number they gave me to get some info on what they were going to say they told me very generally that they have detected tethering and that if I don't stop by the end of the month, they will bump my plan. She gave me a laundry list of things that are considered tethering, from wifi hotspots to getting internet access for a gaming console.
I pressed very hard to find out what exactly I have done that they register as tethering more than anything I wanted specifics. She told me several times that they couldn't give out specifics as that is proprietary information. When I suggested that this might just them trying to force me onto a more expensive plan since they were unable to give me any proof that I had been tethering, she paused and said that she's wait while I look in my phone for tethering apps. I told her I don't have any tethering apps and she told me to look again. After some back and forth, she told me that the mere existence of a tethering app on the phone was considered tethering.
Beyond the issue of tethering at the moment I'm bothered that they even know what apps are on my phone and that they might use the existence of an app as justification to alter my service.
Has anyone heard of the carrier looking at apps like this before? From a privacy standpoint, I'd like to see if there is some way to keep their nose out of my business. Anyone know of a way to keep AT&T out of my phone?
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To the OP, did you tether ever?
I am worried that innocent people will lose their unlmtd plan? We need to find out if their detection system is wrong?
Wait, I signed up for 2 lines around 3 or 4 months sgo and they said because I got the max 6gigs of data a month I could tether all I want. I haven't for more than 10 minutes but I have noticed that AT&T sales reps speak in half truths. I was told if I paid the 10 a month for insurance I could break it by throwing it at someone" Well I added my 2nd line 10 days later and only then found out about a $200 deductible. I was definitely never told about a high deductible upon signing with them. I dont hold back though. I had all prorated charges waived.
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You could setup a linux machine at home and keep that running. Setup an SSH tunnel from your phone to your home linux box and tunnel all the tethering traffic through that. To AT&T that would just look like an encrypted ssh connection.
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That's exactly what I do and no problems thus far
Tethering detection has been discussed many times. The consensus is that they detect tethering by examining the TTL (Time-To-Live) value in the packet. When you tether a device, it shows a different TTL value than the one used in data packets sent by the phone and that's what they look for. There are other tricky things they can examine in the packet headers that can be used to detect tethering, but those are more complicated and take more effort on the part of the the wireless provider.
From what I read, it looks like SSH tunneling over a VPN would allow you to tether without detection, but I haven't heard of any definitive test on this. The biggest problem I see with that approach is that it really slows down your connection.
Here's a very technical paper that discusses tethering and methods to defeat it: Tethering Camouflage
These guys created a test app that rewrites packet data to hide tethering. In the article, they compare their method to using a VPN, which they imply will do the trick. Their opinion is that wireless providers will eventually give up on trying to enforce tethering restrictions because people will find ways to defeat it and it will cost them more than it's worth.
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That's exactly what I do and no problems thus far
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Same here got an ipcop firewall with open VPN Created certs for my mac and Android devices and no issues as of yet.
TLDR: Unlocked LG G2 was on Sprint, now on VIVA in Kuwait, Max WiFi users when running hotspot is 1 - I want to increase it to more.
Long version:
Hello! I am a military service member deployed to Kuwait. I have a Sprint LG G2 which is rooted and running the latest UltraPop ROM. Before I left the US, my phone was activated on the Sprint network and when I would use my WiFi hotspot, I had the ability to connect up to 10 users or something. When I got to Kuwait, I had to have my phone SIM unlocked for International use to make it work with the SIM cards provided by the carrier here (it's called VIVA). My phone was not on the Sprint network when I needed to unlock so when I did the UICC unlock it did an OTA over WiFi and then I was able to use my phone on their carrier. This is all well and good.
The problem is, I want to connect my laptop, my tablet and a few other items to my hot spot - thus the appeal of the hot spot, right? LOL. Anyway, several advanced options like the radio channel, frequency, etc. have now disappeared and in addition, the most important one - the amount of users able to connect to the hotspot, went from allowing 10 to 1. I am not sure why, except maybe something to do with the OTA update when I did the UICC unlock.
I did some reading and found this article: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2718682
Quickly I tried it and restarted my phone. No change. Then I noticed there was another hack for phones that had been activated on the Sprint network, which as I explained above, believe applies to me. This article has a more complicated procedure: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2675280
I am afraid to try this method and screw things up. I suppose I could boot in TWRP and do a NANDROID back up before I try it but I am wondering if anyone thinks it will hose the only working Internet I have right now in Kuwait.
Any help is appreciated. Also, if anyone knows how to get the WiFi hotspot to allow devices to connect while running a VPN at the same time please enlighten me!
Thanks!!!
Sincerely, Lost & Confused...
OK, so I am going to resurrect my own thread here. I spent some time on and off dealing with the 1 client max for the hot spot in my Sprint LG G2. Lots of frustration. Anyway, digging deeper based on a tip another friend of mine gave, I discovered something that I thought would have helped, but no cigar.
Anyway, a variable called max_num_sta in the file /data/misc/wifi/wpa_supplicant/hostapd.conf allows the access point to have only one client. The hostapd application on Android performs almost identical to an average Linux distro, so I figured by modifying this variable I would be able to allow more than 1 client to connect to my hotspot. However, even when changing the file manually, as soon as the hot spot is enabled thru the stock interface, only 1 client is able to connect and looking at the file again shows the value of the variable has been reset.
Next step on the list, was to run the hostapd manually from an Android terminal (something like hostapd -e/data/misc/wifi/entropy.bin -BK /data/misc/wifi/hostapd.conf). The command works at the hot spot functions, but again somehow resets to 1 freaking client again!
I would really like to be able to use my G2 to connect more than one device at a time to my hot spot while I am stuck in Kuwait. It is my only source of Internet. Anyway. Is there a way to disable the stock Wi-Fi Hot Spot interface using Titanium Back-up? Remove the APK? Modify the system? Something? I'd really like to figure this out. Any info or suggestion appreciated...