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Hi Guys,
I actually have a HD7m but my dad quite liked the 4.3 inch screen and was now asking me to buy a similar handset. We went out and he was quite impressed with the Desire HD.
But the catch, when I researched online, I found out the battery issue on practically every thread and community.
Now my problem: He is an old man and can get cranky at times. Currently owes a Nokia C6 and is pissed with the touch screen. So is it wise to buy him Desire HD even with the bad battery life?
Or worse case scenario, I swap my HD7 for his Desire HD????
Should I go for it or should can you guys suggest something else equally fluid??
It doesn't have battery issues once calibrated. I have 1-5mA battery drain on standby, that's even when running MSN and CallerID2Voice App in the background. And I can still get hours out of it when using it. Just recharge it every-night. I doubt your dad will be a smartphone addicted guy.
FirefighterDown said:
It doesn't have battery issues once calibrated. I have 1-5mA battery drain on standby, that's even when running MSN and CallerID2Voice App in the background. And I can still get hours out of it when using it. Just recharge it every-night. I doubt your dad will be a smartphone addicted guy.
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Hey,
Thanx...no he isn't a smart phone addicted guy. But the battery was so obvious an issue, I had to ask the experts here. Also, what exactly do you mean by 'calibrated'?
I mean, I have been an Android user before, but not quite sure what calibration is ?
He is a simple user with checking some mails everyday, music and some websites may be...thats about it, HTC Sense and all makes no difference to him actually...
If its battery life your after, buy a Johns Phone, you get 3 weeks between charges.
After you battery has been "run in" and calibrated you will get at least a day with light usage. Remember this is a powerful smartphone.
circleofomega said:
Hey,
Thanx...no he isn't a smart phone addicted guy. But the battery was so obvious an issue, I had to ask the experts here. Also, what exactly do you mean by 'calibrated'?
I mean, I have been an Android user before, but not quite sure what calibration is ?
He is a simple user with checking some mails everyday, music and some websites may be...thats about it, HTC Sense and all makes no difference to him actually...
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The battery calibration concerns only those who are using a custom rom. (here's a short article with app that does it for you if you're interested). I wouldn't recommend the DHD for my own father. Whatever you do to it you'll almost always have to charge it overnight, with stock rom it could be even twice a day. This isn't a problem for smartphone enthusiasts, but for oldschool people (like my father) who think phones should last a week without charging this can be quite off-putting. The DHD is also starting to get kinda old already, so you might wanna take a look at some newer phones. A good alternative could be the Desire S, as it has almost the same features with a slightly better battery.
And to those who can't admit that the DHD has bad battery life I just have to say that the out-of-the-box battery life could and should be a lot better. To get it lasting as it should takes a bit of effort which shouldn't be required from a normal user.
Hawks556 said:
The battery calibration concerns only those who are using a custom rom. (here's a short article with app that does it for you if you're interested). I wouldn't recommend the DHD for my own father. Whatever you do to it you'll almost always have to charge it overnight, with stock rom it could be even twice a day. This isn't a problem for smartphone enthusiasts, but for oldschool people (like my father) who think phones should last a week without charging this can be quite off-putting. The DHD is also starting to get kinda old already, so you might wanna take a look at some newer phones. A good alternative could be the Desire S, as it has almost the same features with a slightly better battery.
And to those who can't admit that the DHD has bad battery life I just have to say that the out-of-the-box battery life could and should be a lot better. To get it lasting as it should takes a bit of effort which shouldn't be required from a normal user.
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Thanx so much...that was really helpful...albeit your explanation on battery life, I just wanted to add that he was in love with the 4.3 inch screen...and only HD7 is the other device with that screen size...So I think Desire S is also a good option...let me check with him...
Again, Thanx!
depend on what you consider a good battery life, some may say getting a day is good enough, but some define good as atleast 2 days.
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And to those who can't admit that the DHD has bad battery life I just have to say that the out-of-the-box battery life could and should be a lot better. To get it lasting as it should takes a bit of effort which shouldn't be required from a normal user.
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Absolutely right. I'm tired of hearing people evangelising that the DHD's battery is fine. It patently is not. Even when you severly rein back the device's features (features which HTC flaunted to get us all hooked), one ends up with 25-30% at the day's end.... And if you have a 'heavy' day of calls/browsing etc, you'll have to top up to get through the day.
But I still regard HTC as just about the best of a bad bunch...
Ok, sorry to hijack this thread a little.
The battery is fine, there are no issues with the battery. Your problem with the battery is that its small. Before you bought the phone did you not look into the battery capacity? I did, I knew it was smaller than the Desire's battery. Out-of-the-box it will act like any other lithium-ion battery that is just out-of-the-box. That "bit of effort" , what, plugging in your charger when it requires a charge.
These guides to correctly charge lithium-ion batteries are largely mumbo jumbo (charge to 100%, turn off, charge again for 250,000 hours, turn on, drain battery, rinse & repeat). Just charge it overnight, when your asleep.
Any smartphone with comparable usage will last around the same time and require a daily charge. If you want a phone that will last days between charges, don't buy a smartphone.
If you turn off all the bells & whistles, use 2G only and use it only for calls & sms', just like a regular phone. It will last days between charges.
If you want a powerful smartphone with a large screen, and lots of features, your battery is going to pay for it.
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Ok, sorry to hijack this thread a little.
Before you bought the phone did you not look into the battery capacity? I did, I knew it was smaller than the Desire's battery. Out-of-the-box it will act like any other lithium-ion battery that is just out-of-the-box. That "bit of effort" , what, plugging in your charger when it requires a charge.
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I'm not sure anybody on this forum expects days of use between charges - we're not daft. What I expect is to not have power-saving mode kick in by late afternoon when I'm nowhere near a charger, and I've not used the thing particularly heavily.
It's not right to conclude that others didn't read up on the battery before purchasing. You have no basis for drawing such conclusions.
HTC marketed the DHD on the basis that it's architecture was such that it didn't need a higher-capacity battery to do its job. Based on the fact that I'd had pretty good experiences with my previous HTCs, I saw no reason to doubt this.
In any case, just because you don't mind charging your phone part-way through a day, doesn't mean that everybody else should be happy with that.
I don't Say ! ^^
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depend on what you consider a good battery life, some may say getting a day is good enough, but some define good as atleast 2 days.
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That's why I said that there are "oldschool people" (like my father) who think the battery should last a week. I don't mind charging the phone every night, but there are people who can't cope with such a "short" battery life. That's why the battery life of the DHD should be taken under consideration when buying a new phone.
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Ok, sorry to hijack this thread a little.
The battery is fine, there are no issues with the battery. Your problem with the battery is that its small. Before you bought the phone did you not look into the battery capacity? I did, I knew it was smaller than the Desire's battery. Out-of-the-box it will act like any other lithium-ion battery that is just out-of-the-box. That "bit of effort" , what, plugging in your charger when it requires a charge.
Any smartphone with comparable usage will last around the same time and require a daily charge. If you want a phone that will last days between charges, don't buy a smartphone.
If you turn off all the bells & whistles, use 2G only and use it only for calls & sms', just like a regular phone. It will last days between charges.
If you want a powerful smartphone with a large screen, and lots of features, your battery is going to pay for it.
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I didn't mean that the battery was bad quality or anything, just that it is a bit too small for such a powerful phone. And yes I was aware of the battery capacity and I don't mind, but again there are people that require more from their phones.
And the instructions to close connections when you're not using them and turning down the screen brightness etc. are plain stupid. I bought a smartphone so that I can get my email whenever and wherever and to enjoy the big screen and not so that I can receive emails only when I choose to and so that I have to squint to see something from the screen when the brightness is set to the lowest. This is just a couple of the features I need ofcourse, but for me it's important to always receive emails instantly and not only when I can afford to spend some battery on internet connection.
When I was still running stock rom I could barely get through a day at work (8 hours). I had mobile network on the whole time and the screen brightness set at about 50% (which I think should be used at 100% all the time to really enjoy the screen) I talked for about half an hour during the days, sent 10 texts and listened to music/played/surfed on the internet for about 3 hours in all. When I got home I had to charge it. This ofcourse is everything one could need, but there are smartphones with better battery life.
Now of ofcourse when I have a custom rom that's tweaked and everything there's no problem with battery life, but that shouldn't be necessary to do and it's quite a lot to ask just so you can have a decent battery life. That's why I was talking about out-of-the-box battery life.
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That's why I said that there are "oldschool people" (like my father) who think the battery should last a week. I don't mind charging the phone every night, but there are people who can't cope with such a "short" battery life. That's why the battery life of the DHD should be taken under consideration when buying a new phone.
I didn't mean that the battery was bad quality or anything, just that it is a bit too small for such a powerful phone. And yes I was aware of the battery capacity and I don't mind, but again there are people that require more from their phones.
And the instructions to close connections when you're not using them and turning down the screen brightness etc. are plain stupid. I bought a smartphone so that I can get my email whenever and wherever and to enjoy the big screen and not so that I can receive emails only when I choose to and so that I have to squint to see something from the screen when the brightness is set to the lowest. This is just a couple of the features I need ofcourse, but for me it's important to always receive emails instantly and not only when I can afford to spend some battery on internet connection.
When I was still running stock rom I could barely get through a day at work (8 hours). I had mobile network on the whole time and the screen brightness set at about 50% (which I think should be used at 100% all the time to really enjoy the screen) I talked for about half an hour during the days, sent 10 texts and listened to music/played/surfed on the internet for about 3 hours in all. When I got home I had to charge it. This ofcourse is everything one could need, but there are smartphones with better battery life.
Now of ofcourse when I have a custom rom that's tweaked and everything there's no problem with battery life, but that shouldn't be necessary to do and it's quite a lot to ask just so you can have a decent battery life. That's why I was talking about out-of-the-box battery life.
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If you want to receive emails and text, I find that GSM is fine for that. If you want to go internet browsing, just switch on to 3G.
Smartphones these days have basically a different definition of battery life to the old nokia symbian and similar phones of old. Those could go up to a week. Smartphones on the other hand are considered awesome if they can last 3.
I do have to say ultimately I think HTC sold the battery life a bit short on the DHD. 1230mah I think is really just making way for all the other top-of-the-line features that it had when it came out.
HTC have released a great number of variants of this phone now, all with better iterations of design and also with bigger batteries because of this.
1400-1500mah (or even above) I think is really what you need with a 4.3" display phone. 1230 would be far more acceptable for a <4" display. Although it can be made quite livable for a day or two with an excellent custom rom, I don't really think it's enough for a basic consumer using the standard rom. That and the speaker/audio out are the two biggest pitfalls of the DHD imo.
Sensation is now HTC's newest 4.3" phone which has a good 1500mah battery. I hope Sense 3.0 doesn't wear it down too fast!
Ultimate thoughts: Although it's a great phone, I think it's a power user's phone more than anything. You will definitely only get the best out of it by customising to it's best potential, which is also when you get acceptable battery life. If you don't, it really does seem a waste.
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When I was still running stock rom I could barely get through a day at work (8 hours). I had mobile network on the whole time and the screen brightness set at about 50% (which I think should be used at 100% all the time to really enjoy the screen) I talked for about half an hour during the days, sent 10 texts and listened to music/played/surfed on the internet for about 3 hours in all. When I got home I had to charge it. This ofcourse is everything one could need, but there are smartphones with better battery life.
Now of ofcourse when I have a custom rom that's tweaked and everything there's no problem with battery life
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I had the same sort of expectancy out of the battery using it moderately during a day at work out of the box. However with custom ROM installed I have found the battery to last easily the whole day with the same usage and probably have approx 40 - 50% left after 15hrs on battery.
just my 2c
andyharney said:
Ok, sorry to hijack this thread a little.
The battery is fine, there are no issues with the battery. Your problem with the battery is that its small. Before you bought the phone did you not look into the battery capacity? I did, I knew it was smaller than the Desire's battery. Out-of-the-box it will act like any other lithium-ion battery that is just out-of-the-box. That "bit of effort" , what, plugging in your charger when it requires a charge.
These guides to correctly charge lithium-ion batteries are largely mumbo jumbo (charge to 100%, turn off, charge again for 250,000 hours, turn on, drain battery, rinse & repeat). Just charge it overnight, when your asleep.
Any smartphone with comparable usage will last around the same time and require a daily charge. If you want a phone that will last days between charges, don't buy a smartphone.
If you turn off all the bells & whistles, use 2G only and use it only for calls & sms', just like a regular phone. It will last days between charges.
If you want a powerful smartphone with a large screen, and lots of features, your battery is going to pay for it.
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I am extremely sorry but I disagree with u completely. You are talking as if you buy an expensive car but dont drive it too much as it eats a lot of fuel. If you want to just drive around, why dont you just get yourself a mopet. The point is, i have bought an expensive car TO DRIVE it around. If I buy a smartphone and not use its SMART features, why am I buying it for??? If I practically shut all the reasons why I bought this phone, WHY the hell am I buying it??
There is an old saying that comes to mind that it takes guts to stay in the minority. If the battery is flawed, ACCEPT it.
Anyways, I have got my answer. Thanx for your reply nonetheless.
As everyone says depends on usage.
For one thing i went from 80mA down to 8mA just by updating the radio which came stock.
Now with a different rom and kernel I get -1mA on standby, juicedefender is also a nice app. The battery life depends on your setup though, I easily get 2 days of moderate use/music/games/calls etc.
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As everyone says depends on usage.
For one thing i went from 80mA down to 8mA just by updating the radio which came stock.
Now with a different rom and kernel I get -1mA on standby, juicedefender is also a nice app. The battery life depends on your setup though, I easily get 2 days of moderate use/music/games/calls etc.
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Hey thanx man...But was just wondering, with very moderate usage, will it still be over in no time?
Also, the other thing worrying me is the memory card issue...I cant afford to lose one card after another once I buy an expensive phone, u know what I mean...
The battery life is acceptable with moderate use on stock rom, if you're a power user you will have to stay close to a charger
There's no memory card issue from the DHD's part, it's just the crappy "freebie" sdcard (samsung?) which comes with the phone that stops working. The people who are complaining that the DHD breaks sdcards are those who buy cheap, bad quality sdcards or get a warranty replacement for the original one, which will be just as bad. The solution to this is to buy a better quality microsd card (costs about 15€) if the original stops working. Mine's still working great though.
Hawks556 said:
The battery life is acceptable with moderate use on stock rom, if you're a power user you will have to stay close to a charger
There's no memory card issue from the DHD's part, it's just the crappy "freebie" sdcard (samsung?) which comes with the phone that stops working. The people who are complaining that the DHD breaks sdcards are those who buy cheap, bad quality sdcards or get a warranty replacement for the original one, which will be just as bad. The solution to this is to buy a better quality microsd card (costs about 15€) if the original stops working. Mine's still working great though.
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After receiving a replacement 'new' phone, and having problems with my SD Card from the very second it switched on, I complained to HTC about the issue and the man on the end of the phone admitted around 500,000 phones that had been dispatched has been shipped with KNOWN issues & SD Card incapabilities. If you went out today and bought a brand spanking new card, in theory the phone WOULD NOT and the SD Card WOULD NOT fail.
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I'm not sure anybody on this forum expects days of use between charges - we're not daft. What I expect is to not have power-saving mode kick in by late afternoon when I'm nowhere near a charger, and I've not used the thing particularly heavily.
It's not right to conclude that others didn't read up on the battery before purchasing. You have no basis for drawing such conclusions.
HTC marketed the DHD on the basis that it's architecture was such that it didn't need a higher-capacity battery to do its job. Based on the fact that I'd had pretty good experiences with my previous HTCs, I saw no reason to doubt this.
In any case, just because you don't mind charging your phone part-way through a day, doesn't mean that everybody else should be happy with that.
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I don't mean to hijack you here mate, but you assume/claim that:
'HTC marketed the DHD on the basis that it's architecture was such that it didn't need a higher-capacity battery to do its job.'
Well I take it that you assume this on the basis that Leprechauns are real and are roaming New York city as we speak? If HTC were doing any market research at all, they would realize that even devices with smaller screens have a bigger battery than the one they have put into the DhD, including the Desire Z & Desire's batteries?
I remember when I was looking at reviews for the original Desire, as I fancied one, the main complaints were the battery life, and the fact people only got a day's charge on it. So I thought fair do's, big screen, big price to pay? If HTC had done any research, they would have realized that people wanted better battery life, a better quality screen, better sound quality?
You want to know what the real reason is behind HTC putting a small battery inside the Device? Well it's the fact that the entire thing was rushed, and I mean rushed? There's evidence of this in the build quality, the software, the placing of different things within the phone and also the bad batch issues HTC experienced.
The HD was leaked in September/October, it was released by November, this is not normal for any device that becomes 'leaked'. HTC used a bad screen, imported most of the software from the original Desire, obviously making edits to make it Sense 2.0, but you can clearly see they didn't change everything? If you set the Android Pattern Lock Screen, you can see that it doesn't fill the whole screen, the IME is the standard HTC one with some arrows slapped in at the bottom? They didn't even change the size of the keyboard?, this is more evident if you use the IME in landscape mode, its hard.
What sort of company places an Antenna in the Battery Cover? It's true, remove your Battery Cover and you'll loose all signal? Pretty risky move for HTC, seeing as the Battery Cover is VERY easy to 'accidently' break, and frankly your screwed then right? It's like they designed the phone, forgot the Antenna, then quickly though 'Where the f*** is this going?' and decided to place it there? In my opinion, and a few others, they did this with the battery, they made the device too thin, and in reality they just couldn't fit everything in. The Desire S which is slightly thicker, packs a brilliant battery. Problem solved.
The build quality of the phone, is not one of a £500 price tag. Some parts of the phone squeak whereas others just do not feel adequate to the pricing of the device. There again we live in a world where no matter how much you pay, something always seems to be wrong.
Sorry if I have offended any HTC lovers, all attacks on my and opinions against me are welcome, don't get me wrong, I love my phone and I can cope with charging the battery every night. Chao.
I've had my new desire z about 2 weeks now, and am utterly dissapointed by a frankly dreadful battery life.
It's my second DZ, given the original was nicked, but (kicks self) wasn't insured, so was purchased from a supplier that shipped my phone from Hong Kong (I live in UK, and the new phone is an identical model, except for a slight difference in key layout - A2727 I think is model number)
The original phone would give me over two days life with very low use, which i considered to be fair for a decent smart phone.
The new phone barely gives me 10 hours with no use. I've done a couple of tests - unplugged it at 2am, but 8am it's at 30% or lower. This was done with all data connections turned off.
If i leave the new phone to go dead then that's it - it won't charge. The only way i've found to get juice back into the battery is to hold it in my old touch-pro 2 until it's charged enough to charge from the desire.
Last night was the clincher. I've gone out with some friends to the pub. I had a conversation over it, and checked my battery life - 42%. As a last dith effort i factory reset the phone at that point to rule out a mischevious app, and checked - 39%
Within 2 hours, and with no use at all that was down at 8%. In order to avoid the charge issue i cut my losses and turned it off at that point. Once home (oh, about 4 hours later maybe) I was unable to turn it back on. I then left it plugged in overnight, and was still unable to turn it on this morning until i'd done my cross-phone charging trick.
I'm now entirely convinced there's some form of hardware issue at fault here, so i'm wondering if anyone else has had the same problem with this phone before? I see lots of thread regarding poor battery life, but most seem to be solved by turning data off or some rouge app, neither of which are an issue in this case. Also, any hints for making my life easier when I phone HTC tomorrow? I've read elsewhere their support might not be all it should be.
Thanks in advance for any help! I've ready to pull my hair out as what is a fantastic phone otherwise has been completely ruined by this battery issue.
I think you should get a new battery to rule out that the battery itself isn't a problem. I had similar issues with my G1 a while back and it solved a lot of wierd, seemingly unrelated problems. Batteries are pretty cheap online, $15 or so and some are free shipping.
The way that I figured out my battery was toast was by comparing it to other batteries. it had a bulge in the center where it should have been flat. Fingers crossed it isn't hardware.
had already tried a diff battery (did you know you can chew a corner off a touch pro 2 battery and make it fit??) Which i know worked fine in the old nicked dz and imo as i was getting same issue ruled out battery problem.
anyway... phone has now been returned and i'm waiting 2-3 weeks to get it repaired under warranty (though am hoping for complete replacement obviously)
Chewing on batteries has got to get you extra xda brownie points. I'll remember that
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I'd like to think there was some techincal or engineering skill in there somewhere.
but it was mostly "Well, apart form this nugget of plastic they're the same shape..."
I'm having the exact same problem... When you take you shutdown to recharge a dead battery, does it sometimes try to turn back on? I left my apartment like 30m ago with 100% battery, and I'm at 84% and declining. There's nothing running. And I've replaced the battery, same issue.
I think I might just RMA this one.. seems like an engineering issues.
Edit: I'm the 40 seconds it took me to type this, battery dropped to 82%.
Wanted to bump this post. I've since wiped / reloaded and wiped battery stats. It's still jacked. I think it's an internal electrical thing. Reason is: I'll power down to take the battery out. When I put the other one in, it'll turn back on. Or if I power down to charge, it'll turn back on - plugged in or not. I don't want to deal with the RMA process again, but I think it's my only choice. I've taken two phone calls this AM @ 100%, and it's at 96% now. Drives me insane. Ugh... I'll call TMO. Anyone know if the replacements are still rootable?
So... I had my phone replaced, and it's still doing the horrid battery thing. Flashed CM 7.1 RC3 or w/e the latest is, cycled one battery - and it drops like a stone. I have two chargers (one at work, one at home) and they both charge the phone up to 100%. But it's still losing battery life quicker than I'd like. I used to be able to get a good 18 hours out of this phone. Even with a new battery and a new phone, it's acting up. I'll try to flash an older ROM and see if it's the same thing. I updated to #130 nightly from 7/10. We'll see how it lasts today. But I do remember I had horrible luck with CM's ROM's on my G1. Battery would just drain for no reason. The main process taking up the most battery life is "Cell standby" so I changed to the latest radio - and it still drops. OP - have you figured out your problem? I've removed a ton of apps, and it's still messing up. I listen to music for... 45m in the AM, and I get down to 54%. I've formatted my SD Card as well.. it's driving me insane.
I just flashed CM 7.1 a few days ago and while the ROM is great, it does seem to be a litter harder on my battery than 6.1 was. With light/moderate usage yesterday, I got about 16 hours and that was running the battery almost completely dead. With heavy usage, I get about 10 hours and need a bump charge in the afternoon.
You might want to look into getting a Mugen 1800mah battery. You can get them on Ebay from 35-40 dollars. The seller 'nakedcellphone' is based out of Southern California and another user has confirmed ordering from them and getting a legitimate battery (lots of fakes on Ebay). Either that, or carry a charger with you...
Have you tried using Watchdog to see if there are any 'rogue' apps that are causing the drain by running in the background? What about going to spare parts > battery history > Partial Wake usage? There it will show apps that are draining your battery when you're not 'actively' using your phone. For me, the Android System is the highest drain in that menu. Good luck! Hope some of this helps!
I just checked spare parts, and there's nothing too odd in there. Just my music app. And I've changed that too - thought Winamp was killing me. I'll check Watchdog. This is a brand new OEM battery along with an RMA'd G2. It has to be the OS / Radio or something. I've stripped like every non-essential app too.
Hello,
so I got the bloated battery issue myself, and had to order another battery. I have seen many threads pop up in the last month concerning this issue, on here, androidcentral, and even the sprint forums!
There doesn't seem to be a unified thread, so I would like to try to get one going. Sprint/Samsung probably doesn't know how widespread this issue is becoming. I think its a more serious problem than we think, and isn't relagated to a few random people. Myself and my friend, who both got our phones around the same time, who both run the same build of ICS started exhibiting the following issues:
1. Insane and unpredictable battery life drops. I'm talking 88% while browsing the web, and then instant reboot and phone is down to 10%.
2. Screen flickers as if auto brightness can't make up its mind, instant reboot.
3. LOS, then reboot.
4. Any intensive apps: camera, gps, sometimes even just streaming music, causes the phone to lock up, pressing home does nothing, may even require reboot.
5. Removing battery, and then letting phone sit for 1-2 minutes, then putting it back in an powering up brings battery level back up to stable temporarily.
6. Battery Bloat, and inevitable: permadeath. Can't hold a charge.
This seems to me to be a consistent occurence along with recent builds of ICS.
I would like to get to the bottom of this. I don't plan on keeping this phone much longer (I ordered a Nexus 4, still in order limbo tho), but it could be of help to the community if we know the how's and why's.
Questions:
- Are you experience these symptoms?
- If so, when did they start, give a specific build number?
- Have you experienced battery bloat? (battery seems to be slightly expanding outward, not completely flat)
- Do you keep your phone on the charger overnight? (This may or may not be related, but maybe a recent ICS change disables something that stops the battery from overcharging)
Interesting! My wife had this exact issue on her E4GT unrooted FI27. Eventually, the phone would no longer boot. She took it back to Sprint yesterday. The battery was bad, they tried another battery and the phone still wouldn't boot. She's receiving a new phone today.
She told me when she was at the Sprint store, there was a guy there with an Evo with exactly the same problem. I told her it was just an amazing coincidence and not an Android issue... obviously I was wrong!
I am on FI27 stock rooted with a newer battery than my wife's, the only thing I have noticed is that my charge sometimes drops CONSIDERABLY after I reboot the phone... now this has me worried! Her battery was bloated. We both charge overnight.
Obviously, this is an issue that you can't ignore, because it can fry your phone (as it did my wife's).
Yes!! The insane battery dropped started happening like a month ago. That's all that was happening though. Just random battery drops. I thought it was the ROM at the time. The phone would freeze up, reboot and the battery would be 30%+ lower.
About a week ago I started experiencing the craziness. Phone rebooting, flickering screen, pretty much everything you've stated. And yes I've been using the latest modems. My battery can also spin like a top. For a very long time I might add. Some other dude with a regular Qwerty phone has a battery that can spin, but it only spins for like 3 seconds. His phone is pretty old.
My phone is about a year old and the battery spins for ever. I guess this is a good test to see how bloated your battery is, since I can't really look at it and tell.
I do charge over night since my phone would die over night. I don't think my phone will fry right now since my phone is on the charger and the battery temperature is at 66 Fahrenheit (18 Celsius). Ordered a new battery hoping for the best. And I will be using ROMs that are based on the FF18 with the new battery.
first power button broke, now battery is taking a **** upon itself, exact same issues
Check this out... as I said, after my wife had been having this issue for a couple weeks on her stock E4GT, on Thursday her phone would never boot past the boot screen. She took it into Sprint on Friday and they determined the battery was bad. They tried a new battery, still wouldn't get past the boot screen. They ordered her a new phone 'overnight' which is supposed to arrive Monday. She is going into withdrawal, so for the hell of it I plugged her phone in, booted to stock recovery and did a factory reset... reboot and the phone (apart from the bad battery) works perfectly. My wife asks why they wouldn't have done that at the Sprint store? What a bunch of idiots!
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arionfrost said:
Hello,
so I got the bloated battery issue myself, and had to order another battery. I have seen many threads pop up in the last month concerning this issue, on here, androidcentral, and even the sprint forums!
There doesn't seem to be a unified thread, so I would like to try to get one going. Sprint/Samsung probably doesn't know how widespread this issue is becoming. I think its a more serious problem than we think, and isn't relagated to a few random people. Myself and my friend, who both got our phones around the same time, who both run the same build of ICS started exhibiting the following issues:
1. Insane and unpredictable battery life drops. I'm talking 88% while browsing the web, and then instant reboot and phone is down to 10%.
2. Screen flickers as if auto brightness can't make up its mind, instant reboot.
3. LOS, then reboot.
4. Any intensive apps: camera, gps, sometimes even just streaming music, causes the phone to lock up, pressing home does nothing, may even require reboot.
5. Removing battery, and then letting phone sit for 1-2 minutes, then putting it back in an powering up brings battery level back up to stable temporarily.
6. Battery Bloat, and inevitable: permadeath. Can't hold a charge.
This seems to me to be a consistent occurence along with recent builds of ICS.
I would like to get to the bottom of this. I don't plan on keeping this phone much longer (I ordered a Nexus 4, still in order limbo tho), but it could be of help to the community if we know the how's and why's.
Questions:
- Are you experience these symptoms?
- If so, when did they start, give a specific build number?
- Have you experienced battery bloat? (battery seems to be slightly expanding outward, not completely flat)
- Do you keep your phone on the charger overnight? (This may or may not be related, but maybe a recent ICS change disables something that stops the battery from overcharging)
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I have the above listed problems with my SOny Xperia Arc S after I updated it to ICS.. It is kinda frustrating..coz it turns on and off by itself, or sometimes it just froze that will makes me manually take out the battery..But when I haven't updated it to ICS there are no problems like this...
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I have the above listed problems with my SOny Xperia Arc S after I updated it to ICS.. It is kinda frustrating..coz it turns on and off by itself, or sometimes it just froze that will makes me manually take out the battery..But when I haven't updated it to ICS there are no problems like this...
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Do look in what forum you are replying to before replying. This is the E4GT forum. NOT Sony!
This is a specific problem related to E4GT. I think its the characteristics of this problem that make it unique, the instantly dead battery, the battery bloating, and something to do with recent ICS updates. I am hypothesizing that it has to do with battery overcharging that somehow got introduced to recent builds of ICS that is causing this.
I just got my new battery in yesterday, and sure enough, it fixed all of these problems. It's an Anker battery, and, although I am no expert on batteries, its a really nice third party battery, and feels weightier than the stock Samsung battery. Now I'm worried that ICS will destroy this battery as well, so I am being very conservative when it comes to charging.
I was having the same issue with my last E4GT running FI27 STOCK ROOTED.
1) LOS to reboot then low battery from full
2) using apps like spotify, maps and voice search on 3g would also cause it to reboot to low battery
3) screen flickers (like cm10 flicker) and then reboots
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I don't think the issue is related to ics but rather the age of the phone, but i could be wrong.
Has anyone had their battery die after upgrading to ICS when their phone was less than 8 months old?
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Beremat said:
I don't think the issue is related to ics but rather the age of the phone, but i could be wrong.
Has anyone had their battery die after upgrading to ICS when their phone was less than 8 months old?
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Pesonally, I agree... my belief is that this is a battery age issue. Now, I won't say that the battery should age so quickly or that it should start bloating, but no one has had this issue with a newish battery have they (say, newer than 6 months)?
rsngfrce said:
Pesonally, I agree... my belief is that this is a battery age issue. Now, I won't say that the battery should age so quickly or that it should start bloating, but no one has had this issue with a newish battery have they (say, newer than 6 months)?
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I dunno man. I have had an Epic 4G, an HTC Evo, and evne HTC Hero that I kept for quite a while and their batteries never bloated and exhibited these kind of software based issues. Sure batteries degrade over time, but it's almost like the software was glitching out when it was killing my battery and causing strange reboots and lock ups, not to mention instant drain.
new battery bloating within 2 weeks
rsngfrce said:
Pesonally, I agree... my belief is that this is a battery age issue. Now, I won't say that the battery should age so quickly or that it should start bloating, but no one has had this issue with a newish battery have they (say, newer than 6 months)?
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Hi there, first post here, I was just browsing the web for help with this issue and found this thread. My galaxy s2 eg4 also had the bloated battery after ics update, it was shutting off randomly, flickering, etc. I replaced the battery first part of december 2012, and within 2 weeks it had started doing the same thing again, but not as often. Sure enough, brand new, previously flat battery was slightly bloated. It has gradually gotten worse, so I just purchased 2 new anker batteries to see if they fare better. When I changed the battery and took out my one month old battery, it was quite bloated and spun for quite a while.
Hoping it does better with the anker batteries, but only time will tell.
Batteries bloating has nothing to do with ICS or the software. Its a heat issue and weak cell walls inside the OEM batteries. The cell walls barely meet requirements to make the 1800mah cells fit in a 1500mah size housing and they don't hold up well to high temps. as the battery reaches 120°F+ the solid state chemicals used in the cells begin to expand, a normal battery's cell walls can withstand the slight increase in pressure but the thinner walls in these batteries begin to crack and/or separate from the housing and then the chemicals can mix. Once the chemicals begin to mix the reaction causes the air inside the battery to expand and swells the housing out as it has nowhere to escape.
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I have the same problem l. Even with a 3800mah battery. It will start.acting up and if it gets better it will all of sidden go up to 70% or more, and i know it takes a couple of hours to get it to 70% from being dead at 15% or less.
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Hi there, first post here, I was just browsing the web for help with this issue and found this thread. My galaxy s2 eg4 also had the bloated battery after ics update, it was shutting off randomly, flickering, etc. I replaced the battery first part of december 2012, and within 2 weeks it had started doing the same thing again, but not as often. Sure enough, brand new, previously flat battery was slightly bloated. It has gradually gotten worse, so I just purchased 2 new anker batteries to see if they fare better. When I changed the battery and took out my one month old battery, it was quite bloated and spun for quite a while.
Hoping it does better with the anker batteries, but only time will tell.
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I have been using the anker battery for over two weeks and no issues, longer battery life, etc. So far, so good. :fingers-crossed:
Most definitely a battery issue, especially when your phone is a year old or close to it, I don't know what was up with ics but that sure put hurting on the Epic Touch.
I have two Epic's and they are both 14 months old and in Dec they both got new batteries, an Anker and a original Samsung and they are both running like new again. Ones on GB and the other is on JB roms.
They both experienced the bloted battery syndrome and they also experienced ics, for a short period before going back to GB and now JB. Ics was a catalyst for the batteries to fail the way they did, not to mention that charging and discharging a battery for a year or so is going to also take a battery to its limits, especially when you plug it in overnight. At present we have no issues with our Epic's and we are just going to wait it out for the GS4 to get here before we upgrade.
EViL is on the right track even thought he likes to break stuff.
Pp.
sent from a jellybean filled epic touch.
I picked up a T-Mobile S4 on amazon for a pretty good price. This price wasn't "too good to be true" or anything like that, it was just a fair price for what I think is already a decently "mature" device.
Anyway, the phone is in like new condition and the owner had it presumably for about 6 months at least. I know this because he indicated that he had it in an otter-like case for that amount of time.
The first thing I immediately noticed was how fast the battery drained. He shipped the phone with the battery fully charged but still I just noticed that customizing things and changing settings I seemed to lose battery very quickly. My experience may be biased by my past two devices the Xperia Z Ultra and the Note 2 both which have large batteries, however, I installed CarbonRom and still experience what I believe to be abnormal battery drain.
Also, the top half of the phone gets noticeably warm from normal usage like web browsing or flipping through app settings. I do NOT game. The is a distinct difference between how the top half of the phone feels versus the bottom half. It's mostly centralized around the camera. I used gsam to check the temperature of the battery and it does seem normal, however, my brightness is like ~20% and I don't know, my friend who is also on Carbon says he gets amazing battery life. I feel let down by how quickly this thing drains and as I continue to say I don't think it is normal. I ordered a spare RAVPower 2600mah battery to see if there's a problem with the battery but I'm really not hopeful.
What do you guys think?
I too was disappointed with the M919 when I first got it. I have another S4 (i9505) which is rooted I get great battery life using the same sim card. My guess is the LTE radio is what sucks up the juice.
I have rooted it today just to install intelli3g and it does help save battery life. This app automatically switches to 2G, 3G, 4G and LTE depending on what you tell it to do. It's like a tasker type app.
Try to disable apps like google+ and the like if you haven't done so.
Also don't forget to disable Wifi scanning and Wifi on during sleep.
And if you really don't need "Data" to be on all the time, turn it off.
Dajinn said:
I picked up a T-Mobile S4 on amazon for a pretty good price. This price wasn't "too good to be true" or anything like that, it was just a fair price for what I think is already a decently "mature" device.
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A bad battery would be my first thought. It's logical. It fits the facts you present. And it's a common problem.
Plus it's a $10 fix.
I would doubt the drain was software related if you get the same bad battery results with a completely different ROM.
And I'd doubt that it's hardware related because a hardware fault that will drain the battery fast is likely a hardware fault that will prevent the phone from working at all. battery drain is caused by short circuits. Electronics don't work and play well with short circuits.
So I think you are being reasonable by trying a new battery. I don't think it's unreasonable to expect it to help.
If you want to squeeze out every possible second of battery life, check out the link in my signature about battery like while idle as well. It'll show you how to improve your battery life.
This Amazon Fire phone has been around almost 5 years, and its just started to get buggy on me. The battery will keep switching from whatever I have currently to 50%, so something like going from 78% to 50% or from 32% to 50%. In addition to this, my phone won't charge. It keeps switching to charged and not charged.
Not only is it this, but at the same time i've been getting "Invalid SIM" in place. I'd have to restart it once or twice to get my data back and all, and it would happen frequently. All of this started about two or three days ago, and now I can't turn on my phone because it's not charged but also displays 50%.
Any advice on what to do? Is this the death of my phone? I'd be more descriptive but I'm not too familiar with anything around here nor am I very educated with phones, I've just been told to post here in hopes for help.
sl0rg said:
This Amazon Fire phone has been around almost 5 years, and its just started to get buggy on me.
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Must be because you have a VERY early prototype considering it didn't announce to the rest of the world until July 2014.
Seriously though, batteries die. If you've been a heavy user for 3 years, it's time to hold a wake and then move on.
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Must be because you have a VERY early prototype considering it didn't announce to the rest of the world until July 2014.
Seriously though, batteries die. If you've been a heavy user for 3 years, it's time to hold a wake and then move on.
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I replaced the battery in January and its been holding up, but you're right. Looks like I better start looking for a new phone haha.
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I replaced the battery in January and its been holding up, but you're right. Looks like I better start looking for a new phone haha.
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For all the phones I have owned over the years, this usually happens if the battery is going bad. You say you replaced battery in January, so, I am guessing the replacement battery was not original but rather a cheap made in China oem replacement because an original battery for this phone is suppose to give you around 750 charge cycles.
Install the app called 'Charge Cycle Battery Stats' from Google Play, which among other things, will show you how many cycles your battery have on it currently. Other than that, I would suggest buy another battery, or buy one of the defective Amazon fire phones on eBay (sometimes a phone with broken screen goes for almost same price as you would find a cheap, not original battery for) for parts, take out the battery from it and use that. At least this way you will be putting an original battery in your phone. Besides, while this phone was really good, it is pretty old by today's standards and on its way out especially due to outdated software, and it may not be worth spending more than $25 to fix it.
The battery that Amazon chose was made by a third party for them and it's different from other devices - it has a chip on it that literally reports the full capacity of the battery (from what I've been able to tell) to the battery charging circuit in the phone itself. When it reaches a point of about 30% - again from what I've been able to gather based on reports - meaning the lifespan capacity of the battery aka 30% of the full original charging capacity and not the daily "per charge" run time the battery charging circuit literally just shuts off the phone even though there's actually enough charge on the device to make it work even for short periods of time.
It's a pretty lame thing to do, it's basically killing the use of the phone even in spite of it being perfectly functional but with the reduced overall capacity to stay running for long periods of time. It's crappy business really but since Amazon didn't care then and doesn't care now it doesn't matter at all to 'em but to those of us that own Fire Phones (as I now do) I still say it's a pretty shoddy thing to force upon unsuspecting owners.
Anyway, once it gets to that point the battery charging circuit will shut the phone off and that's what the Amazon logo bootloop is caused by from my research. As noted above in another post, Li-Ion and even Li-Po batteries are generally considered to have overall lifespans of roughly 18 to 24 months based on people charging them at least once per day (it's not a perfect science since people plug in at various times). If you've had that Fire Phone since it came out that was literally 3 years ago (June 2014) and sold through AT&T stores in July 2014.
So, I don't know where that 5 year thing came from but it's not technically even 3 years old - that happens near the end of June so another 2 weeks to go. I know some folks are bad with dates and periods of time but there's a rather huge difference between 3 years and 5.
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My Dad have been using this phone for a year and a half. The battery indicator doesn't move, it sticks to 100 percent and stays the whole day and suddenly it dies. Basically the battery indicator is not working, any ideas?