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[Q] noob with questions

First, quick intro - finally making the move to android from iOS after years of procrastinating. My galaxy note 2 arrives Wednesday eve and I couldnt be more excited. I purchased the n7100, unlocked international version.
(1) To update to 4.1.2 when it arrives - is this automatic or is there something I need to do to get it right away?
(2) I saw two ways to make any app multi-window functional. The first is by modifying it in windows, the second is through an app on the phone itself. It is my understanding that for the latter, i need to be rooted. Is that the case for the windows application too?
(3) I dont want to install a custom rom just yet because i want to tinker with s-note and the s-pen apps. However, regarding rooting - is there any reason not to root?
Thanks

emanuelme said:
First, quick intro - finally making the move to android from iOS after years of procrastinating. My galaxy note 2 arrives Wednesday eve and I couldnt be more excited. I purchased the n7100, unlocked international version.
(1) To update to 4.1.2 when it arrives - is this automatic or is there something I need to do to get it right away?
(2) I saw two ways to make any app multi-window functional. The first is by modifying it in windows, the second is through an app on the phone itself. It is my understanding that for the latter, i need to be rooted. Is that the case for the windows application too?
(3) I dont want to install a custom rom just yet because i want to tinker with s-note and the s-pen apps. However, regarding rooting - is there any reason not to root?
Thanks
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Hi! Let's see if I can help:
It's automatic. Your phone should check for updates automatically every few days or week or something like that. If you plug it into your computer and open KIES it'll check for the update right away every time you plug it in. If not, and you want the OTA update, you can go to the settings and about your phone and then updates and you can check manually, but that's if you want to check manually! Otherwise, you'll get a notification eventually
To do that, you're going to need to root your device either way. Both methods require root from what I understood. You're changing a core apk in your phone.
Rooting is up to you. A lot of people root, and a lot of others don't. I believe MOST people ORIGINALLY Rooted to get more control and better functionality over their device. I'm not sure this is the case with the Note 2. A lot of people say that the Stock ROM is fantastic and you don't get a lot more by changing roms, but as for rooting you get more access over apps. I came from iOS years ago (from the iPhone 4) and I have rooted only once, because I think Samsung and Android gives you MILES more opportunities over iOS. For me, Android is "prerooted" in nature in comparison to iOS. I'd say, FIRST check out the device and see if you can do everything you want without rooting. I do everything I want without being rooted. I'm also not the epitome of a typical Android user. I have Folder Sync to sync all my folders across Dropbox and SugarSync. I have apps running in the background, and I edit pictures like a pro! I multi-task a million times better than iOS!!!! So it really depends on you. Try out Android, maybe without rooting it's enough! Maybe it isn't Then you root
Hope I've helped!

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Hi! Let's see if I can help:
It's automatic. Your phone should check for updates automatically every few days or week or something like that. If you plug it into your computer and open KIES it'll check for the update right away every time you plug it in. If not, and you want the OTA update, you can go to the settings and about your phone and then updates and you can check manually, but that's if you want to check manually! Otherwise, you'll get a notification eventually
To do that, you're going to need to root your device either way. Both methods require root from what I understood. You're changing a core apk in your phone.
Rooting is up to you. A lot of people root, and a lot of others don't. I believe MOST people ORIGINALLY Rooted to get more control and better functionality over their device. I'm not sure this is the case with the Note 2. A lot of people say that the Stock ROM is fantastic and you don't get a lot more by changing roms, but as for rooting you get more access over apps. I came from iOS years ago (from the iPhone 4) and I have rooted only once, because I think Samsung and Android gives you MILES more opportunities over iOS. For me, Android is "prerooted" in nature in comparison to iOS. I'd say, FIRST check out the device and see if you can do everything you want without rooting. I do everything I want without being rooted. I'm also not the epitome of a typical Android user. I have Folder Sync to sync all my folders across Dropbox and SugarSync. I have apps running in the background, and I edit pictures like a pro! I multi-task a million times better than iOS!!!! So it really depends on you. Try out Android, maybe without rooting it's enough! Maybe it isn't Then you root
Hope I've helped!
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Thanks and you certainly did help... There is one app in particular and im not sure it supports multiwindow (withings baby monitor) - I will know in a few days. If it doesnt, it would be great to have this app with multi-window support and I would root in order to do this... I guess we can wait and see... Thanks for your response.

emanuelme said:
Thanks and you certainly did help... There is one app in particular and im not sure it supports multiwindow (withings baby monitor) - I will know in a few days. If it doesnt, it would be great to have this app with multi-window support and I would root in order to do this... I guess we can wait and see... Thanks for your response.
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No problem. As from seeing the apps I have installed almost no apps support the multi window feature that aren't huge. Facebook twitter chrome plus a lot of the Samsung apps like gallery and video, messaging and snote Google Talk and youtube as well. For more apps: hack!
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zkyevolved said:
No problem. As from seeing the apps I have installed almost no apps support the multi window feature that aren't huge. Facebook twitter chrome plus a lot of the Samsung apps like gallery and video, messaging and snote Google Talk and youtube as well. For more apps: hack!
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So do I need to hack or theroetically, if someone modified the app for me, could i then put it on the sd card and install it or would i need to be rooted first?

Great answer zkyevolved!
Other apps that work uith multi-window are popping up every week. Greader Pro now works as does lecturenotes and solid explorer.
Emanuelme. If you want the most fluid multi-tasking experience download SwipePad with the (paid) "recent apps add-on. It will blow you away and make your old iphone friends very jealous

emanuelme said:
First, quick intro - finally making the move to android from iOS after years of procrastinating. My galaxy note 2 arrives Wednesday eve and I couldnt be more excited. I purchased the n7100, unlocked international version.
(1) To update to 4.1.2 when it arrives - is this automatic or is there something I need to do to get it right away?
(2) I saw two ways to make any app multi-window functional. The first is by modifying it in windows, the second is through an app on the phone itself. It is my understanding that for the latter, i need to be rooted. Is that the case for the windows application too?
(3) I dont want to install a custom rom just yet because i want to tinker with s-note and the s-pen apps. However, regarding rooting - is there any reason not to root?
Thanks
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Hi,
I don't know if the 4.1.2 update is being rolled out yet, but if it isn't, u can just flash it from odin, no root is required, and u can still keep your warranty.
As for the multi Window, you will need to be rooted, and preferably on a deodexed rom.
If u look in the dev section, u will see a multi Window zip file u can flash, that will give the any app multi Window.
The only reason not to root would be:
The readers hub, and the learners hub, don't work if you are rooted.
Your a noob
Rooting won't void your warranty, as u can just flash a stock rom and u will be unrooted.
I am currently working on a dual boot kernel for the note 2, so then u can have the stock rom, and a second rom, installed at the same time, and choose which to boot in to when u start the rom, but i am still finishing it ect at the moment.
Cheers
Corey
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[Q] Multiple ROMs (one rooted, one non-rooted) on same Nexus 7 device?

Hello XDA-Developers!
Here is my dilemma:
I do app security testing for my company and our team talked management into finally buying us a Nexus 7 device for that purpose. My company is also a big customer of Good for Enterprise.
In order to run Good for Enterprise, it means no root, complex password on the lockscreen, and encrypting the filesystem.
Root is pretty much a necessity for my job (being able to pull files out of /data/data/<app> and see what's going on, running shark and other tools, etc.), but I'd still like to be able to have Good on the tablet. The process for evading root (as laid out in this post on XDA: link) is laborious and doesn't yet work for 4.3.
Is there any way I could have seperate Android ROMs running on the device, one with root and one without?
I see MultiROM is in the process of being ported to the new Nexus 7, but I don't know if it's going to work. The version for the old Nexus 7 doesn't support encryption and Good for Enterprise forces it.
Something like SafeStrap would be perfect, but I haven't found anything like it for the Nexus 7.
Maybe I'll be forced to juggle nandroid images of the same OS rooted and non-rooted.
Any suggestions?

I have Android 4.2.2 Nexus 7 running on my PC that I use to test various apps and other functions. This is used by developers but I don't know how useful it will be to you.
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I have Android 4.2.2 Nexus 7 running on my PC that I use to test various apps and other functions. This is used by developers but I don't know how useful it will be to you.
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One of my co-workers was messing with Genymotion last week.
From what he showed me, it runs in Virtualbox, so I assumed it is the x86-compiled version of Android. Does it have the ability to run ARM-compiled apks?

[Q] Rooting options for fairly green user.

Hello all,
Ive had my Note 2 for almost a year now, and I feel its time to Root to keep new life in this until I upgrade. I enjoyed the ease of rooting my EVO 4G through Unrevoked3 and using easy tools like CyangenMod and ROM Manager.
Now Im wondering if equally simple tools exists for the Note 2. Easy backup and recovery rooting tools, and simple ROM managers to help make life easier for this casual user.
My main uses for rooting would not be for Dev at this time. More to flash custom Roms to increase my UI enjoyment; and with grad school around the corner, being able to utilize a tethering option without Sprint's HotSpot costs would be a lifesaver when I need to complete coursework or research from anywhere.
Many thanks to all, I have loved all the info I have gained from XDA over the past few years.

I would youtube wwjoshdew and watch some of his vids on rooting and unrooting. He is very down to earth and makes things easier to understand. I've been following him for a while now.
Just saw this website posted on another section of this forum..
galaxynote2root.com
Ive recently been thinking of completely unrooting and rerooting mine just because after dozens of ROMs I now know what I'm looking for and want to start fresh. Anywho, hope this helps.
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See the link below. After Fighting with drivers to get your phone to connect to your PC you can use the Toolkit which worked perfectly for me. I did have to try multiple pcs to get the drivers for my phone to work properly.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1957155

For anyone interested in Tethering with Wifi Tether app, look at my post here
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=47468743&postcount=11

As phones improve do you find yourself less tempted to root?

Back in the day, phones were much more restricted than they are nowadays. Now we have 2.3 ghz quad cores and excellent battery life and lots of features and all sorts of other great stuff.
As the phones get better are you less tempted to root your phone and install custom ROMs?
I know for me when I got my galaxy s3 I didn't root it for a few months. Then when I got my HTC one I was determined not to root it. It was excellent out of the box and I just didn't see a need for it. Untill I started having it not last all day so I rooted to be able to get better battery life. I won't have my note 3 for another week or so because employees aren't allowed to purchase our phones right away for some retarded reason. But just curious if I'm the only one feeling this way, that with phones becoming so much better, its slowly taking away the need for custom ROMs and such.

Personally I still have the need to root because not all phones are updated with official firmware to the latest android version, besides that I often experienced better battery life after rooting (disabling unwanted applications, removing bloatware, using greenify etc)

Yup. Lol idk if Imma root my note. But if I do, it would probably be just to change minor stuff like taking the clock out of the status bar or make it black when it's not transparent. Other than that, I see no reason to root this one as of yet.
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There are really three reasons I root
1. Remove bloat.
2. Adblock hosts file
3. xposed framework.
I think xposed framework does more to eliminate the need for custom roms more than anything.

Same for me I root for 4 reasons:
1. Remove bloat.
2. Block ads.
3. Customize status bar.
4. Better battery life.
sent from my Note 3

With the Note 3, I have zero incentive to root. I've disabled the apps I don't care about, I have plenty of space for the ones I do, the phone looks and handles like a dream, and performance is blazing. I have zero complaints thus far. I liked Touchwiz with Gingerbread, hated it with ICS, and now I like it again on 4.1.2 and 4.3. Well done, Samsung.

I have always rooted my phone in the first hour of getting them. With the note 3, I have enjoyed the stock use for a 3 days now.
I'm sure it will change and as roms start to poor in but for now I'm ok.
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Of course I still want root. There's so much you can't do without it.
1. Turn the DPI down - I bought a Note because it has a massive and detailed screen. I want to use that screen to fit more stuff on, not have giant letters that offer not much more area than a typical smartphone.
2. Ad blocking. Ads are annoying as can be, so block them system-wide with Ad Away.
3. App management - Delete those obnoxious bloatware apps, delete pointless carrier services, save space, and speed up the phone to its maximum potential
4. File management - Mount Samba shares (Windows file sharing) at defined mount points anywhere on the system, mount NTFS formatted SD card, copy things out of /data and make backups
5. Terminal/System Tools - Log in as root using 'su' and then have access to a privileged command line to run Linux commands. I use openvpn (tap bridging mode) to log into my home network over 4g and that can only be done through root.
6. Custom ROMs - The ultimate end-goal of warranty voiding, I hate TouchWiz and would rather run an AOSP-based ROM like CM or AOKP. These are pre-rooted, give me all of the above options, receive constant updates, are generally less bloated or resource-intensive, adjust to multiple DPI settings a lot better, and are community driven. Also CM has openvpn and NTFS support built in which works really well.
This is my criteria for buying the Note 3. As soon as I can do all of these, mostly the custom ROMs part, I will buy one and flash a ROM. Until then, I love the hardware but my CM10.2 Note i717 is still the winner since it runs software the Note 3 would not out of the box.

For some apps root is required and ASAP is the fastest, plus customization is key. And not great when using TW.
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Root 4 Life
No matter how advanced our phones get I'll always want, and will DEMAND, full root/admin rights to my own device. My primary reasons, in order of importance are similar to the above commenters':
1) AdAway (for system-wide adblocking, from F-Droid.org's opensource repositories, now that it's banned from Play Store)
2) TitaniumBackup (/data/data access)
3) Xposed framework, and the Music2SD module specifically, so I can store all my Google Music on the EXTERNALSD card vs internal (without resorting to symlink or bindmount hacks that sometimes fail)
4) Ability to use GooManager app to easily install TWRP (without odin), to then make full ROM backups, and install CyanogenMod, etc.
5) read/write root access to all areas of my phone via ssh, terminal app, or gui file explorer app.
6) SixAxis support (for the PS3 game controller)
There's other reasons, but those are my top 6 off the top of my head. For most people, AdAway is the Numero Uno, as was actually why my Dad asked me to root his SGS4 while I was visiting him just a week ago.

Why buy a note and use an aosp ROM that doesn't support the spen functions? Or am I missing something and aosp can support s pen?
I used to love ad away.. But ads are what make these apps free... From an app developer point of view, ad blocking isn't all that cool.
I understand the bloat removal and using greenify. Those are the only 2 reasons id see myself using root for on this phone. And maybe also to boost audio. But probably won't.
DPI levels I also agree with. Who from Samsung thought it a good idea to have such a massive screen and only 4 columns for apps? Guy should be fired.
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I used to root all my phones up to S4 which I did not. Got tired of the daily update flashing zip files. I still look at the development threads but, no interest to root. And now with the Knox thingy triggering the counter and triangle away not always working, will pass on rooting. Got to the point of just enjoying the phone and not trying to break what is not broken.
Now, if we get a Cyanogen app that will do all the rooting from beginning to end that is a possibility to root it.
Ian B

clninja said:
Why buy a note and use an aosp ROM that doesn't support the spen functions? Or am I missing something and aosp can support s pen?
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On the Note i717 (AT&T Note 1) the S-Pen has been supported since the beginning in CM/AOSP ROMs. You lose the software customizations relating to the S-Pen (gestures, scrap book, S-note/memo, hover-click to screenshot, etc) but the pen itself is still functional. With third-party drawing/note taking apps the S-Pen's button and pressure sensitivity features still work as well. I don't use the software features, just want the ability to draw diagrams and take handwritten notes on occasion, plus be able to use the S-Pen to hover as a mouse on web pages and to tap precisely on remote desktop. It does all of that just fine on CM. I really hope it is the same situation for the Note 3.

I root so I can use Titanium Backup which is faster than using helium and no need for a PC. Also so I can tether.
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As for me, it all started with the Samsung Vibrant. I rooted every phone up to my Note 2. Now, since I own this BEAST of a phone Note 3, I want to wait until the devs figure out how to reset or bypass this new KNOX Samsung security flag.
This stupid KNOX thing worries me. Everywhere I read about it, it's none reversible, it's permanent. Why would Sammy need to know if we rooted our phones?

i doubt rooting will ever go away. two reasons!
1. individual customized taste
2. ciq removal

Reason to Root
I started rooting about 2 years ago when I got my Galaxy Nexus on Verizon. There were issues and updates but it seemed like nothing was ever coming when everyone else got them. I took a chance and rooted so I could install the ICS update that was to fix the issues a lot were having. after a couple of months and still having issues, I took into researching various custom roms and being a tweaker on the computer I thought it would be fun to try it on the phone. I became a regular flasher of sorts trying various roms and from time to time ask and offer help to the wonderful people on this site after seeing there were a lot of other people like me that liked to tinker with their technology. I am no master as a lot on here are but I try to offer suggestions if I have had a similar situation. I research for months when I knew my contract was about to run out and after many months of tinkering, I decided that the issue was with the network and not the phone. I recently purchased a new Note3 and thought I would try T-Mobile for a few days and see what would come of changing. So far I have been really impressed with the phone 'as is' and usually don't want to start tearing down right away (give time for the new to wear off at least) and just in case I decide to return if it doesn't work. I have read on CM that rooting is changing and there should be ways to get what we like in roms and features without the necessity/requirement for root. I would like the option to be able to dual boot so you can keep your stock rom as is and install a custom rom on the sd drive or in a VM environment like you can on a computer.

Like others have mentioned, ad removal is the main reason I always root. Can't stand them. Plus I love trying out new roms.
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Root is a must
It will always be a must to have complete control of phone for full backups of backs via Tbackup I refuse to constantly have to redo app's. Also to use our wonderful xposed modules that work awesome. Also allows my to flash and set permissons. Also allows to be rid of bloat and make full use of phone no need to be tied down. Plus if binary can never be reset then opps broke glass and use insurance if really so worried about the marker.

I've had my Note 3 for 3 days now and have not even thought of rooting it. It's exceptionally fast and I already disabled the boat I don't use. I'm fine where I am for now
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[Q] Any custom roms for tab s 8.4?

Is installing CM, on my new tab s 8.4 a bad idea? I know it's say device is still in development for it but I'm getting frustrated with touchwiz automatically installing useless apps like NYTIMES and crap like that. And I feel like it's eating my ram for no reason whatsoever. If not CM is there anything else available or do I have to wait a month/few months I can do so? I saw that CM works well with tab pro 8.4 but the only difference between the two is the hardware correct?
Would flashing it in anyway fix this? I'm new to android tablet devices and any android devices, so I have no clue how to do it. If it's not too much trouble maybe somebody could show me a guide?
I'm new to this forum and if I've broken any rules I apologise. I hope I can get some help & advice, thanks in advance. I posted this in another thread but I didn't want to ninja it.
Perhaps, installing BLCKASOP? Since I read from the forum here that it makes the device consume less ram and such, but I also have no clue how to do that, I apologise once again.
Thanks

As a new user I would recommend against flashing roms heavily in beta stages. Too many bugs. There are a number of good 8.4 roms available in Development. You can uninstall bloat yourself using System App Safe Remover from the playstore but you must be rooted to use this. I also recommend using Nova Launcher.
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mitchellvii said:
As a new user I would recommend against flashing roms heavily in beta stages. Too many bugs. There are a number of good 8.4 roms available in Development. You can uninstall bloat yourself using System App Safe Remover from the playstore but you must be rooted to use this. I also recommend using Nova Launcher.
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I thought I replied to you but apparently I didn't.. Are there any easy guides available on how to root this specific device? I know what Nova Launcher is, but what is exactly used for?

xioner said:
I thought I replied to you but apparently I didn't.. Are there any easy guides available on how to root this specific device? I know what Nova Launcher is, but what is exactly used for?
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You honestly need to do some research before messing with your tablet. Everything I could tell you here has already been said online 1000 times before. Until you have a lot more knowledge, best to remain stock.
Google Nova Launcher for a start. The Development section has a couple threads on rooting.