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Just ordered my Arc S... Some questions.

I went for a genuine SIM-FREE one (at extra cost), so the bootloader can be unlocked.
What does this mean with regards to getting updates and rooting the device?
Can I download the latest OTA update when I boot the phone, and by doing so, will it lock me out of doing anything? (i'm guessing after taking the latest OTA, I can still request a bootloader unlock?)
I have seen some posts suggesting that once you unlock the bootloader, you will stop getting OTA updates, which would suck, as Android 4.0 is out soon(ish), and I wouldn't want to prevent my phone from being able to get that.
I'm sorta tempted to get the latest OTA and then leave it for a while until I understand the pros and cons of unlocking the bootloader, and rooting the phone.
Sorry to sound like a Newb, but all phones are different, I have a HTC Legend, and know all about that one, ditto for my Asus Transformer, both are rooted with CWM recovery, but only once I worked out what the pros and cons are.

If youve bought one sim-free (and thus unbranded, good call) then you should (as of, like, yesterday, good timing) be able to root without unlocking the bootloader (see this thread for how).
Thus the only reason for you to unlock the bootloader would be when you want to install a custom rom, and if youre running a custom rom youre not really going to be wanting OTA updates blatted on top of them
As far as getting OTA updates when rooted - so far OTA updates have worked fine on rooted arcs (and have maintained root). But, with this new rooting method we dont yet know what the outcome would be with an OTA update. However, when 4.0 rolls around you should still be able to flash it via SEUS unless youve also unlocked the bootloader, which stops SEUS from working. Also - if you do unlock the bootloader DO NOT ACCEPT any OTA updates, this can brick the phone.

Thanks, for the moment, i'll hold off unlocking the bootloader, accept OTA updates and then root it (or should I root it for and then update?)
The unlocking of the bootloader is only really of use when SE stop supporting the phone....

CrazyPeter said:
The unlocking of the bootloader is only really of use when SE stop supporting the phone....
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Not really, even while SE continue to support the handset, some people will always prefer to be able to flash custom ROMs - CM7 offers a lot of nice features, some of which Google have actually copied in ICS.

Imo the arc s is a very good phone that needn't be rooted or boot loader unlocked unless you want themed or roms. Now if there was a mod for the stock camera app to give lower compression images, I'd root straight away.
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The reason I root is so I can use AdFree and MyBackup Pro , which both require root, there are also some other handy root-required apps....
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LOADS of reasons to root.
Crapware removal, titanium backup, drocap2, button saviour, root explorer, SE panorama app, appwidgetpicker, transparent dock... the list goes on.
However, not everyone needs/wants these things. Horses for courses innit?

Few questions...

I have recently moved from a GS2 to a Nexus, and i was wondering...
What's samsung/google's policy on rooting and roms? It voids warraty right?
Do I have a way to wipe the stats after I root it, like the jig I had for the GS2?

It doesn't void your warranty, as you can always just put it back to stock (w/ images from Google directly) and re-lock the bootloader if you have to send it in. There's no flash counter and you don't need a jig to send it in.

The Galaxy Nexus is essentially a development phone, you can do everything to it, but for them to repair, obviously just flash back to stock and re-lock the bootloader. Funny thing is, on the get started videos on YouTube, they use devices with an unlocked bootloader as a demo device

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The Galaxy Nexus is essentially a development phone
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Nothing personal but it annoys me when people dubbed Galaxy Nexus as 'a development phone'.
It's not 'a development phone' but just a stock Android phone with the latest OS. It runs perfectly out of box and the user doesn't have to be a developer to enjoy it. It also functions perfectly well without flashing any ROM.
Back to the OP, it will void your warranty if you sent it back with an unlocked bootloader and a custom ROM. But why would you do that?

MilkPudding said:
Nothing personal but it annoys me when people dubbed Galaxy Nexus as 'a development phone'.
It's not 'a development phone' but just a stock Android phone with the latest OS. It runs perfectly out of box and the user doesn't have to be a developer to enjoy it. It also functions perfectly well without flashing any ROM.
Back to the OP, it will void your warranty if you sent it back with an unlocked bootloader and a custom ROM. But why would you do that?
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Well yeah, obviously you can use the phone stock on the latest and greatest OS. That's whats good about these phones. But in my opinion, I call it a developer phone because if we get the newest software first, directly from Google, we get a chance to play around with the new software and make changes to however we like it. Make a new ROM based on 4.0.4, test out newer software, develop applications on the newest build, etc. Thats what I meant it is a developer phone.
But yes, it is just as good as a normal phone which gets constant updates first priority.

Lock Bootloader Without Root Access

So, my USB port burnt out on my GSM Galaxy Nexus, literally. My phone was rooted and had bootloader unlocked, so I was thinking of restoring everything to stock and send it back to Google. Here I am, being a dumbass, decides to flash back to stock ice cream sandwich with mobile odin and update to 4.1.2 thinking it would unroot and relock the device for me. I was real wrong, didn't realize that it only unrooted my device and relocking the bootloader require root access. So, any idea on how I can lock my bootloader again?

MNX1024 said:
So, my USB port burnt out on my GSM Galaxy Nexus, literally. My phone was rooted and had bootloader unlocked, so I was thinking of restoring everything to stock and send it back to Google. Here I am, being a dumbass, decides to flash back to stock ice cream sandwich with mobile odin and update to 4.1.2 thinking it would unroot and relock the device for me. I was real wrong, didn't realize that it only unrooted my device and relocking the bootloader require root access. So, any idea on how I can lock my bootloader again?
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Since you don't have root I'm pretty sure you need a usb port that works to relock the bootloader
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Yep.
Though I doubt they'd even care.
Should have locked first...and THEN Odin.

I had my phone rooted and boot loader unlock since launch of the device, back in November. Haven't done anything to it since now, which made me forgot certain things. Was reading information through several guide/post on how to return the Galaxy Nexus back to stock without using the USB port. Most of them were gear towards the Verizon version and none of them mention that locking the bootloader was required during root. Just did not realize that locking the bootloader requires root access. Guess that's what caused me not pay attention to the issue.... I know, it's my fault.
It would be nice if someone can point me to a solution. So, let me rephrase my question a bit. Is there anything I can do to get root access or lock the bootloader again without using the USB port? I have a Windows machine, Mac, and a extra Galaxy Nexus lying around. I can transfer files wirelessly, but no physical connection.

There are no root exploits for 4.1.2, afaik.
I think you're pretty much without options at this point, although like stated before, i doubt service will care if bootloader is unlocked.
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Oh well, guess there's no hope of me locking it up without the usage of the USB port. Any words on anyone successfully getting their repair/replacement done even though they've sent phones in with an unlock bootloader?

[Q] Bootloader locked. Screwed?

I've got a new t807a from AT&T. According to the "about device" settings page, SE is "enforcing." My understanding is that this conclusively indicates that my bootloader is locked. It's currently running Android version 4.4.2, build number kot49h.T807aucu1ank1
I don't need a custom ROM and I don't care about tripping my knox counter (per se). I just want root. I've asked this in several relevant threads this week and gotten contradictory responses. Is there or is there not currently a method to root my tablet?
If not: is there hope? This is a great tablet but I can't live with the bloat for 18 months until I can afford a replacement. I CAN still return it and eat the 70-dollar "restocking" fee.
Thanks in advance.

Just because it is enforcing, does not mean it is locked.
The s6 shows enforcing and for the T-Mobile version can be rooted with autoroot and trip Knox.

TheArtiszan said:
Just because it is enforcing, does not mean it is locked.
The s6 shows enforcing and for the T-Mobile version can be rooted with autoroot and trip Knox.
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So what does that mean for my t807a?

thorvindr said:
So what does that mean for my t807a?
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Locked bootloader aside, root can be achieved. Check the Dev pages for specifics/updates but this is the auto page link. You'll see the 807 is being tested but check back there often to monitor progress.

skeeterpro said:
Locked bootloader aside, root can be achieved. Check the Dev pages for specifics/updates but this is the auto page link. You'll see the 807 is being tested but check back there often to monitor progress.
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Thanks. I have been following that. Just hoping someone knows something I don't I suppose.

ATT=Locked Bootloader which there's not going to be root or anything. Same goes for Verizon. SE enforcing is Selinux. Most devices have that including my Tab S 10.5 WiFi with unlocked bootloader. SE is an protections or somesort (google it).
Since you have a locked bootloader, it will fail to flash modfied stuff to get root. It will only flash stock images. So you may have to return it. Just remember, don't buy from att or Verizon. Buy an unlocked model or Tmobile. Hope this helps!

DUHAsianSKILLZ said:
ATT=Locked Bootloader which there's not going to be root or anything. Same goes for Verizon. SE enforcing is Selinux. Most devices have that including my Tab S 10.5 WiFi with unlocked bootloader. SE is an protections or somesort (google it).
Since you have a locked bootloader, it will fail to flash modfied stuff to get root. It will only flash stock images. So you may have to return it. Just remember, don't buy from att or Verizon. Buy an unlocked model or Tmobile. Hope this helps!
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I think you're telling me there's no way to unlock the bootloader and root is therefore completely unattainable. Is that right? If it's just a matter of "we haven't cracked it yet," I can be patient. But if you're saying there's really no hope, I'm going to be far less patient.
Is there no software solution (ie towelroot) that might help me get root without having to get past the bootloader?

thorvindr said:
I think you're telling me there's no way to unlock the bootloader and root is therefore completely unattainable. Is that right? If it's just a matter of "we haven't cracked it yet," I can be patient. But if you're saying there's really no hope, I'm going to be far less patient.
Is there no software solution (ie towelroot) that might help me get root without having to get past the bootloader?
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Its a matter "we haven't cracked it" and no one is working on it. So basically almost to no hope and the odds of getting root or unlocking the Bootloader is really really low. There's no software solution like towel root that will get root or anything that doesn't mess with bootloader.
So there's no hope (unless some breakthrough happens).

DUHAsianSKILLZ said:
Its a matter "we haven't cracked it" and no one is working on it. So basically almost to no hope and the odds of getting root or unlocking the Bootloader is really really low. There's no software solution like towel root that will get root or anything that doesn't mess with bootloader.
So there's no hope (unless some breakthrough happens).
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Well that blows. I guess that's what I get for buying off-the-rack.

Is this info outdated?
info outdated?
I've got an easy working root on my t807A with kingroot. And yet there seems to be no custom roms available for it.
Slightly out of topic, does anyone have a install to SDcard solution? Nothing I find seems to work

JMVPSlash said:
info outdated?
I've got an easy working root on my t807A with kingroot. And yet there seems to be no custom roms available for it.
Slightly out of topic, does anyone have a install to SDcard solution? Nothing I find seems to work
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The built-in app manager lets you move apps to SD but I also have not found a solution to install directly to SD (without repartitioning the card). After several months of despair, I'm just now checking back to see if there's been any development on the bootloader front. It appears not. You can get root with Kingroot (also check out supersume, if that's still around, to replace kingroot's su app with supersu) but apparently the bootloader being locked prevents any non-official ROM from booting.

[Q] Does this phone have a tamper flag?

I remember from my old Samsung rooting days that Samsung phones had a tamper flag, so even if you restored to stock they would know that you rooted/how many times etc. Does the razer phone have a similar thing? Reason I ask is I have been used to OnePlus phones where it doesn't void your warranty to root and now I have the razer phone (loving it too!) - don't mind rooting it if I can flash stock and lock bootloader and no one knows the difference (for warranty etc!)

manor7777 said:
I remember from my old Samsung rooting days that Samsung phones had a tamper flag, so even if you restored to stock they would know that you rooted/how many times etc. Does the razer phone have a similar thing? Reason I ask is I have been used to OnePlus phones where it doesn't void your warranty to root and now I have the razer phone (loving it too!) - don't mind rooting it if I can flash stock and lock bootloader and no one knows the difference (for warranty etc!)
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As far as I can tell, no. I originally had my phone rooted and running Magisk and I reverted back to stock and relocked the bootloader to do an RMA because my screen had developed a group of dead pixels. They accepted the RMA and sent me a replacement device after I put it back to stock.

For real? Dam

ThatGuy94 said:
As far as I can tell, no. I originally had my phone rooted and running Magisk and I reverted back to stock and relocked the bootloader to do an RMA because my screen had developed a group of dead pixels. They accepted the RMA and sent me a replacement device after I put it back to stock.
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Ah awesome. You in the UK? Got my phone with 3 and Debranded it to get the 8.1 update earlier - I have the insurance for it anyway so no matter what I do to it, it should be covered really - Also sorry for the slow reply... Busy busy! Now to wait for some ROMs to show up, or a Magisk image I can flash that's 8.1 compatible!