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Question regarding disabling Data connection GPRS (TP2) T-Mobile

I recently received a T-Mobile Touch Pro 2 cell. I'm NOT paying for web service and would like to only use Wi-Fi. If I disable my data connection under the communication manager, would this mean that I will not be using T-Mobiles web service and only my Wi-Fi? Can I still receive calls/text messages when the data connection is set to off? Do I have to worry about the data connection setting automatically turning on by itself for whatever reason?

DADDYDC650 said:
I recently received a T-Mobile Touch Pro 2 cell. I'm NOT paying for web service and would like to only use Wi-Fi. If I disable my data connection under the communication manager, would this mean that I will not be using T-Mobiles web service and only my Wi-Fi? Can I still receive calls/text messages when the data connection is set to off? Do I have to worry about the data connection setting automatically turning on by itself for whatever reason?
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Yes.
Yes.
Yes.
Flipping that switch manually turns off your phone's 3G connection, and you can still make/receive calls/sms. However, as soon as some app or process needs a data link (ones that don't/won't use the wifi connection), it will flip that connection right back on.

sirphunkee said:
Yes.
Yes.
Yes.
Flipping that switch manually turns off your phone's 3G connection, and you can still make/receive calls/sms. However, as soon as some app or process needs a data link (ones that don't/won't use the wifi connection), it will flip that connection right back on.
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Which apps do I have to worry about flipping the connection on? I only plan on surfing the web and I don't plan on setting up my e-mail account. I only want to text and browse the web using my TP2. Thanks for the response.

DADDYDC650 said:
Which apps do I have to worry about flipping the connection on? I only plan on surfing the web and I don't plan on setting up my e-mail account. I only want to text and browse the web using my TP2. Thanks for the response.
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Well Google Maps for one, it insists on downloading through your 3G data connection even if you're connected to wifi. There may be others that will ignore a wifi connection and fall back on 3G, I don't know off the top of my head, you can dig around here some to see if there's any reference to that (I know I've seen it, just don't have it bookmarked)

Yes, some apps are automatically enabling the data connection.
My solution:
go to Settings > Connections >
and delete the 'data connection' for your provider.
Their you could also go to advanced and choose which networks will be used for what type of connection; play with it.
The data connection isn't used for 'calls', only if you are calling over IP (skype e.g.)
With a program like SPB wireless monitor, you can see which connection has used how many bandwidth.
HTH,
Fossie

fossieniel said:
Yes, some apps are automatically enabling the data connection.
My solution:
go to Settings > Connections >
and delete the 'data connection' for your provider.
Their you could also go to advanced and choose which networks will be used for what type of connection; play with it.
The data connection isn't used for 'calls', only if you are calling over IP (skype e.g.)
With a program like SPB wireless monitor, you can see which connection has used how many bandwidth.
HTH,
Fossie
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How do I go about deleting the data connection from my provider? I'm lost!

There is an easier way. Use the Modoco NoData cab and it turns off the data connection until you turn it back on. This way if you decide that you want to use the data later you dont have to find out and enter your settings again.
It works very well.
For those who want to restrict the data to thier home carrier ie: no roaming the Dynamic+ NoDataInRoaming is ideal as it automatically switches on and off when you enter and leave your home area.

Anyone can answer about data connection?

When I read the HTC Desire user manual, it said that I need to turn on the "Data Connection" setting to have internet connection.
Well, this is understandable ... but, does it has automatic connection on demand?
On Windows Mobile, I dont have to specifically turn on data connection. Whenever an app is trying to reach the internet, it will turn on the data connection automatically.
And of course, it will turn-off the data connection automatically as well, when there is no internet network activity.
Does this also the same in Android?

It should turn on automaticly when you try to use online services...
But you can turn it on in Wireless & Network

You have to option to turn mobile data off, that is why it specifies that you need a data connection.
If you do not turn it off, apps that require internet access will use it with no further interaction.

By default MENU -> Settings -> Wireless & networks -> Mobile network was off on my device, meaning it would not connect to internet via 3G (I could still make/receive calls). However, I chose to use WiFi for set-up when I first started the phone, so maybe that's why.
Anyway, I guess that is the setting they are talking about.

Thanks for your information, but that raise a question:
When I switch off the data connection and also switch off the background data option.
Will the HTC Weather widget (and other similar widget) still work with auto-updating periodically?
Zappza said:
You have to option to turn mobile data off, that is why it specifies that you need a data connection.
If you do not turn it off, apps that require internet access will use it with no further interaction.
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gogol said:
Thanks for your information, but that raise a question:
When I switch off the data connection and also switch off the background data option.
Will the HTC Weather widget (and other similar widget) still work with auto-updating periodically?
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NO... they need either 3G or WiFi connection to update...

So, that means ... those apps cannot wake up (turn-on) the data connection automatically if needed (on-demand) ...
pantera70 said:
NO... they need either 3G or WiFi connection to update...
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I do remember the old days of the HTC Hero which had the option of background data usage. I think that was more to do with the version of Android than anything else. I recently had the Nexus One and on the new 2.1 version of Android, you can either switch data on or off, no automated connections on data usage.

When the phone is sleeping (screen off) nearly everything is powered down anyway, even if the data connection is 'on'. Apps will wake the device (an power up radios as required) to do their updates when they need to.

gogol said:
So, that means ... those apps cannot wake up (turn-on) the data connection automatically if needed (on-demand) ...
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The whole idea of being able to turn your mobile data connection off is to disable mobile data completely. This is a very good option if you are roaming in a foreign country or don't have a fixed data plan.
If you leave the mobile data connection to enabled, applications will "turn-on" the data connection if needed (on-demand). In other words, if the mobile data connection is enabled, the mobile data connection will be in standby, waiting for applications to request use of the connection.
Hope this clarifies it for you, as you appeared to misunderstand my last post.

Ok then
I think it has different meaning compared to the Windows Mobile.
In the COMM MANAGER, there is "Data Connection" toggle which normally is OFF. And this does not mean that the device cannot use 3G data connection.
While on Android, its data connection toggle setting means to enable or disable 3G data connection completely.
I think that is the difference, if we look from Windows Mobile point of view.
Thanks.
Zappza said:
The whole idea of being able to turn your mobile data connection off is to disable mobile data completely. This is a very good option if you are roaming in a foreign country or don't have a fixed data plan.
If you leave the mobile data connection to enabled, applications will "turn-on" the data connection if needed (on-demand). In other words, if the mobile data connection is enabled, the mobile data connection will be in standby, waiting for applications to request use of the connection.
Hope this clarifies it for you, as you appeared to misunderstand my last post.
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Turning the data connection on or off

Hi,
If I read the HTC Desire manual page 128:
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[B][U]Turning the data connection on or off[/U][/B]
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Press HOME > MENU and then tap Settings > Wireless & networks.
Select the Mobile network check box to turn on the data connection; clear the check box
to turn off the data connection.
We can simply check/uncheck the above option to turn on or off the data connection.
Did you get any problem for turning it back on (from off) ???
Because I read the old HTC Hero (which has this option as well) has problem with this.
When you turn off data, and turn it on again, the phone cannot use data connection unless you soft-reboot.
Reference:
http://code.google.com/p/apndroid/issues/detail?id=33#c10

No probs with mine

I've used this method since last Saturday, saves so much battery on my Desire and when I want the net, I can turn it back on easily enough or if at home just use Wi-Fi.
No problems getting it to turn back on again.

Does this mean I'll have to manually turn data off if I want to use wifi?
Reason why I ask is because I checked my net counter and all my data has come from the data (3G) portion of my phone whilst nothing via wifi.
Probably me being a bit naive as I thought once wifi was on the phone would know to use that automatically as opposed to 3G...
EDIT: Just had a look on my phone and under settings --> wireless and network --> mobile network (uses phone for data connection when wi-fi unavailable) is checked...so would I be correct in assuming that when wi-fi is available data won't be used??
and in Mobile Network Settings --> enable always-on mobile data (uses more power on some mobile networks) is checked (could this be the culprit?)...

Thanks for your feedback, that is certainly a good news.
Btw, does HTC provide a small widget to toggle this easily?
Or you must go through the settings -> Wireless Network -> ... ?
choccy31 said:
I've used this method since last Saturday, saves so much battery on my Desire and when I want the net, I can turn it back on easily enough or if at home just use Wi-Fi.
No problems getting it to turn back on again.
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there is a widget you can add on your screen to do this (and others) goto widgets then scroll to settings hit the arrow on the right and you get several icons you can drop
airplane mode
bluetooth
gps
mobile network (data)
wifi

Press and hold the power button, it's an option on the quick list.

Data connection problem when coming back from Airplan mode...

I've stumbled on a strange issue.
If I switch the Desire to the Airplan mode when the Data connection is off (I use the appropriate HTC Data connection widget to do this), when I switch back to Airplan mode off, the phone is no more able to restore the data connection.
The only workaround found is to restart the phone.
Has anyone got the same experience?

Two questions.
1. When you say you switched off data connection, are you talking about syncing, wifi, mobile network, ... etc?
2. Why do you want to switch off data connection and turn on Airplane Mode? Doesn't Airplane Mode cater for shutting down all wireless?

1. I'm talking only about the "Data connection" option on "Wireless and networks" menu, that is switchable via a special HTC widget. Switching this option off, the phone is no more able to access to the GPRS provider. I often keep this option off to save battery life. I turn Data connection on, if I need to sync and access to Internet.
2. This is not the matter, just it happens. Eg. When I go to sleep, I turn the Airplane mode on, doesn't matter if the Data connection is on or off (it is possible that it is on) in order to avoid any disturbs (calls, sms, etc.).
I just wonder if this issue is a true bug of the phone:
1. Switch off Data connection
2. Switch on Airplane mode
3. Switch off Airlplane mode
4. Try to activate Data connection (for me it seems it's not possible without a reboot)

Had a similar problem which I wrote to HTC about: after the phone has been data connected via wifi and I leave the wifi network it often will not connect to data via mobile network (GPRS/3G), giving the message "connection failed" if I try to manually connect in the "mobile networks" section of the "wireless & networks" settings page.
It seems to have fixed itself now, and I think it's because I've since ticked the option to "enable always-on mobile data", which I had turned off to save battery. Give it a try.

yurikg said:
Had a similar problem which I wrote to HTC about: after the phone has been data connected via wifi and I leave the wifi network it often will not connect to data via mobile network (GPRS/3G), giving the message "connection failed" if I try to manually connect in the "mobile networks" section of the "wireless & networks" settings page.
It seems to have fixed itself now, and I think it's because I've since ticked the option to "enable always-on mobile data", which I had turned off to save battery. Give it a try.
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Thanks yurikg, but on my phone the "enable always-on mobile data" option is checked, anche there is no mobile network connection problem coming back from a Wifi connection.
The problem I shown is probably caused coming back from Airplane mode.

The other possibility is Juicedefender which apparently is known to cause problems recovering a mobile data connection (recent update may have fixed this):
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=660706&highlight=juicedefender

yurikg said:
The other possibility is Juicedefender which apparently is known to cause problems recovering a mobile data connection (recent update may have fixed this):
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=660706&highlight=juicedefender
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I've not juicedefender on my Desire...
I've in plan to do some other tests...

I have a problem with my Desire reconnecting to a mobile data connection too, but not when I come out of 'plane mode, its when I leave a Wifi covered area. It could be the same problem, triggered by anything that disables and then reactivates the data connection?
I have no solution yet, and I have contacted HTC support about it (still no reply). There is some discussion here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=656192

I seem to be having this problem too when coming off WiFi connection, unfortunately restarting the phone has not righted the issue...

I'm also having this problem with the connections. Fine on the wifi at work and at home but not switching over to the mobile network. Apart from that the phone seems awesome! Soooooo much better and more fun than the HD2.

OK, my phone appears to have no network connection whatsoever in fact...

Have the same problem as well. Coming from Wifi and to mobile network only - I do not get any data coverage. This is for the Desire and I had the same problem with Legend.
I hope this will be worked out ASAP.

Well, my problems all sorted. Turns out I had to manually input the APN for internet, took me by surprise since no phone I've owned since 2006 has needed that...

Just had to put in the settings manually too. Seems there is an issue with some of them. Would put a link here but as i'm a newbie not allowed Just google vodafone apn settings for htc desire and hey presto

Same problem here, my Hero had it too. I found it did work when you switch to gsm only and back to 3g/gsm... Would love to hear good solutions.

Im also having the same problem.
If i try switching my connection from wifi to mobile data, my mobile data connection fails to work. A power cycle fixes the issue but if i try switching connections again, the problem returns.

Can I suggest to anyone still having problems getting their phone to switch to mobile data when leaving Wifi to view the following bug report on Google Code and to star it to help raise the priority with Google:
http://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=2207&colspec=ID Type Status Owner Summary Stars
Thanks folks

Mobile data stops working, a reboot fixes it.

Hi,
I think it happens after a system profile switch when jumping my my car, the profile turns
the wifi off otherwise the bluetooth keeps dropping out. then I get out of the car and wifi is
turned back on, but I might not be in range of a wifi, so I'm relying on lte, but my mobile signal
strength icon just says telstra, and mobile data doesn't work. If I reboot, the icon says lte and
data works.
got any ideas?
with the system profiles, I don't change the prefered network type, but I've tried setting it to LTE
with no effect.
oh I just had a thought, there's a setting somewhere about turning off mobile data when wifi is on,
and there was a warning that it might make switching from wifi to mobile data slower. but I can't find
that atm, and it does seem like it would cause my issue.