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This looks like an XDA Developer ROM? Is this guy profiting off this site or is he legit?
http://cgi.ebay.com/WM6-Upgrade-For...kparms=72:552|39:1|65:12&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14
yea thats not right on whats hes doing
discussion thread on more ebay ripoffs...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=391615
Anyone who hasn't unlocked orHard SPLed their hermes runs the risk of bricking it.. Wonder what the legal ramifications are of that as he hasnt put on the site that he takes no responsibility for bad flashs... Uh-oh...
Been SUCH a great fan of all the hard work you guys put in to cook a ROM and then see THIS!!!!!!!!
WOT a (put your own word in!!) !!!!!
the name of the seller matches the name on the rom so it could be the rom maker posting it unless he is impersonating the maker.
Read - Face The True
What's up with You guys!
It's my own work - I develop it!
I will never post any of My ROMs on XDA because off Your all attitude - it's such a bad
I don't steal any other work! And if YOU don't know - don't speak.
P.S. I use some software what I can get on this forum, but that's all and we all do it!
Have a nice DAY!
Personally, if Spiaatie cooks his own ROM (and isn't stealing another cook's ROM, as happened to Dutty and others) and doesn't involve XDA in any way, shape or form I have no problem concerning this. Evidently he's got good feedback on eBay and everything seems to have his labels.
There's nothing wrong from profitting from your own work, just leave us (read:XDA) completely out of it.
I totally agree with Dr P. It seems like he has developed his own 6 ROM for other devices and his customers seem happy. It looks like at least one person has bricked his phone but caveat emptor!
Wow. This is cool. Selling pirated software. I bet [email protected] would love to know about this, you know - so they can get you to pay the appropriate license fees etc required to distribute WM builds for profit...
While I don't care that the work is his own, it would be very unwise to sell any pirated or non-legit software on any forum (here or ebay).
EDIT: Oh, and it also violates this section of eBay's policy for listing software for digital download:
"The seller must be the owner of the underlying intellectual property, or authorized to distribute it by the intellectual property owner."
Seeing as I highly doubt you have authorisation to distribute Microsoft Intellectual Property, then you are:
1) Profiting from the distribution of copyright material.
2) Violating ebay policy
3) Probably breaking numerous IP, copyright and distribution laws.
I highly suggest you discontinue this before someone catches on what you're doing.
Totally agree CRCinAU. Saw more than a few IT consulting businesses here in So Fla get busted for selling pirated Novell and Microsoft, not a good thing. It's his a$$, we can't control it. As long as he sh1ts in his own backyard and not ours...
Myself, I'd never draw attention to myself that way, one WILL get noticed... maybe get a visit from Guido and Moose... which would be preferable to Dewey, Cheatem & Howe, PA, ehehehe!
Spiaatie said:
What's up with You guys!
It's my own work - I develop it!
I will never post any of My ROMs on XDA because off Your all attitude - it's such a bad
Have a nice DAY!
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Well, going by your post it seems like you might fit right in. You may need an attitude adjustment yourself man.
Oh, and you are selling other people(s) work as your own (i.e: microsoft).
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Wow. This is cool. Selling pirated software. I bet [email protected] would love to know about this, you know - so they can get you to pay the appropriate license fees etc required to distribute WM builds for profit...
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Just like all the other ROM modifers here are doing. You'd love to have this pulled would you? Grow a frickin' brain.
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Just like all the other ROM modifers here are doing. You'd love to have this pulled would you? Grow a frickin' brain.
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There is a difference between doing this and giving away your resulting ROM, and doing this and selling the resulting product. That is also what makes or breaks copyright cases - if money was made as a result of the infringements.
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There is a difference between doing this and giving away your resulting ROM,
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There is no difference at all. For one there is reverse engineering going on. This just happens to be illegal. Have you read the Microsft EULA? I suggest you do.
As for not selling the ROMS, the people here have donation links, you included. You even mention what the donations will be used for. Get off your morally high horse here. Cooks ask for donations for modifying other people's (MS) code illegally.
I'm not hear to rain on the parade but to think the cooks here are the shining white knights in the eyes of the law, you need a long hard look at yourself.
You are arguing over what criminal activity is right. One just demands payment for the illegally modified ROM, one makes it optional.
cheers,
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One just demands payment for the illegally modified ROM, one makes it optional.
cheers,
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Is this true?
sanquar said:
There is no difference at all. For one there is reverse engineering going on. This just happens to be illegal. Have you read the Microsft EULA? I suggest you do.
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Maybe if you live in the USA - however here in Australia, reverse engineering is quite legal. Remember the lawsuit where Microsoft tried to get the modchip for the Xbox declared illegal? Yeah - they lost. Oh, and DVD players that play multi-region DVDs? Yeah, the media companies lost that law suit too. I guess what I'm saying is don't take some crappy American laws for gospel - most of them don't affect you or me. As for the EULA? I haven't seen one for Windows Mobile in the 4 years I've been using Windows Mobile devices...
As for not selling the ROMS, the people here have donation links, you included. You even mention what the donations will be used for. Get off your morally high horse here. Cooks ask for donations for modifying other people's (MS) code illegally.
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There is no morality involved here. If you have read into copyright cases, one of the key factors involved is if there is a direct payment for copyrighted material being sold (at least in Australia). If you must pay a fee to use a ROM (ie via eBay) then that can easily be proven. Donations are just that - donations. They are not a direct payment for an infringing works.
I'm not hear to rain on the parade but to think the cooks here are the shining white knights in the eyes of the law, you need a long hard look at yourself.
You are arguing over what criminal activity is right. One just demands payment for the illegally modified ROM, one makes it optional.
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Nobody said what you imply here. Just be aware that there is black and white law that says charging for copyright material is a crime in Australia. In the rest of the world, it might be different - but that doesn't affect you and me as Australians...
Does this thread need to continue?
@CRCinAU - good research brother.
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Nope!!!!
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RIP RIP RIP.....
Ok I know when you buy a computer and if say you don't want Windows on it and its preinstalled you can deny the terms and conditions, and Microsoft will refund you the amount of money that windows cost.
Now using that same theory if I wright a letter to HTC saying I don't agree to there terms and conditions, than wouldn't they then have to either supply me with a stock Android Rom minus there software, or provide me with a way to remove there software, by either giving me a way to load my own Rom built from source, or give me access to system partition to remove the said software.(see were I am going with this)
Anyway if someone with some legal knowledge could school me a little bit that would be great. Thanks.
Yes this will work. This is great..... FOR ME TO POOP ON!
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Ok I know when you buy a computer and if say you don't want Windows on it and its preinstalled you can deny the terms and conditions, and Microsoft will refund you the amount of money that windows cost.
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Ummm, no? Did you dream this? Does Microsoft sell computers?
Ummm..... that is not true maybe you should not post if have nothing relevant to say, by the way here is some reading for you.
Http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_refund
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Calling in the Suits
Does the Incredible have an EULA on first boot? I am still waiting for mine so I cannot say, but I would assume when you sign up with Verizon, such rights are waved (esp. after the 30-day return period). I would assume the most they would do for you would be similar to Microsoft and give you a rebate in exchange for the device.
However, these are all assumptions on my part. I am friends with a lawyer who used to represent Olga.net (On-line Guitar Archives) when I worked with them. He managed to fend off the NMPA (kind of the music version of the MPAA) and MPA (a sister organization to the RIAA; focuses on publishing rights) for many years. Really the only reason OLGA is not running now is the admin providing the resources was told by his employer that they were no longer going to support the site once the take-down notices started to flood in and the words "possible lawsuit" were whispered.
I'll get in contact with him and post (possibly PM only) his reply, but you might also want to try and get in contact with someone at the EFF (Electronic Frontier Foundation), as this sounds right up their alley.
Yes on first boot you are asked to accept the EULA.
I think you are out of luck.
The phone is a phone first, a computer second. You can't buy the phone without the OS in it because Verizon won't allow a phone device that has not been approved on their network.
You didn't buy the phone from HTC, you bought it from Verizon. So any dispute with what you purchased is with Verizon, not HTC (Ie you can't buy the phone from HTC direct).
If you don't like Sense UI, don't buy a phone that comes with it. Your recourse which you had from the very beginning was to return the phone.
Not a lawyer...
I love sense but I'm just looking for some options.
I'll give you $1,000,000 if you actually do this. Why? Because it will never happen. No offense, but are you truly serious or are you really really high? Do you think if I bought a video game, I could decline the license agreement and demand they provide me the source code or something? Krelvin is trying to talk some sense into you, so listen to him. Just be patient and wait for root. It will happen soon enough.
Why didn't you just buy a phone with an android os without sense. ??
Verizon will just tell you to **** off. HTC isn't going to give you root access just because you deny the terms of service... Give it a shot though!
Just wait for Root...or return the phone and get a different one.
There, done deal.
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I love sense but I'm just looking for some options.
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I just installed Launcher2 from Cyanogen 5.0.7 and said bye bye sense
binny1007 said:
Ok I know when you buy a computer and if say you don't want Windows on it and its preinstalled you can deny the terms and conditions, and Microsoft will refund you the amount of money that windows cost.
Now using that same theory if I wright a letter to HTC saying I don't agree to there terms and conditions, than wouldn't they then have to either supply me with a stock Android Rom minus there software, or provide me with a way to remove there software, by either giving me a way to load my own Rom built from source, or give me access to system partition to remove the said software.(see were I am going with this)
Anyway if someone with some legal knowledge could school me a little bit that would be great. Thanks.
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flash your own rom. nobody stopped you.
Come on guys, give binny a little bit of respect on this, he isn't a n00b to the Android world and he doesn't dislike HTC or Sense, he is just thinking of possible ways for us Incredible users to get root. I did run this by my lawyer friend though and he basically repeated the line a few people have come up with (that it's really Verizon that you would have to deal with and it's highly unlikely that for any reason you would be able to force their hand).
However if you still want to pursue this, I am still recommending the EFF. To start a new "action" you can sign up here.
Didn't mean to come off as such an a-hole as I was kinda irritated that day ahha.
but anyways, if he can accomplish this (which is highly unlikely), I'll give him all kinds of props.
If he's willing to go through with it, by all means do it...but like others have stated, Verizon will most likely be quite unwilling...
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Come on guys, give binny a little bit of respect on this, he isn't a n00b to the Android world and he doesn't dislike HTC or Sense, he is just thinking of possible ways for us Incredible users to get root. I did run this by my lawyer friend though and he basically repeated the line a few people have come up with (that it's really Verizon that you would have to deal with and it's highly unlikely that for any reason you would be able to force their hand).
However if you still want to pursue this, I am still recommending the EFF. To start a new "action" you can sign up here.
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I'm not being disrespectful. I am being real. Binny is in dreamland if he thinks this will help/work/not be a waste of time. And no offense, but your lawyer friend didn't do that website much good as they are still shutdown, and if he successfully "fended" anyone off the website would be up and running, not shutdown with a notice about legal issues.
binny1007 said:
Ok I know when you buy a computer and if say you don't want Windows on it and its preinstalled you can deny the terms and conditions, and Microsoft will refund you the amount of money that windows cost.
Now using that same theory if I wright a letter to HTC saying I don't agree to there terms and conditions, than wouldn't they then have to either supply me with a stock Android Rom minus there software, or provide me with a way to remove there software, by either giving me a way to load my own Rom built from source, or give me access to system partition to remove the said software.(see were I am going with this)
Anyway if someone with some legal knowledge could school me a little bit that would be great. Thanks.
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It's just that... figure this out before worrying about taking on EULA laws and the like.
there is not there, it is their, as well as than is not than it is then
I'm too uninterested to correct the rest of your grammar.
Thank you so much for correcting my grammar it was soooooo nice of you.
And I will make this clear my complaint would not be with VZW as they had no hand in anything software wise. I'm not going to feed into the trolls here. So please I ask if you have nothing productive to say than don't say it. There are 3 licenses that you are accepting, HTC's, Google's, and the open source licensing, if you accept the two of them and not HTC's than you should still be able to use you phone. That's the point I am trying to make here but thanks to everyone who felt the need to comment on this, and had nothing useful to say.
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It's just that... figure this out before worrying about taking on EULA laws and the like.
there is not there, it is their, as well as than is not than it is then
I'm too uninterested to correct the rest of your grammar.
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WOW! your first post just to act like a butt.
seriously whats with all the snarly remarks people? binny asked a very straight forward question. to all those saying "get a different phone" verizon doesn't offer comparable android phone without sense, or "flash you're (thats for you 5377henry) own rom" we don't have root, hence the whole point of the question/thread.
anywho, i did not even know you could do that with windows, thanks for the info binny.
i have a feeling we would attain root before something like this could be played out through htc. i am baffled that they cut the option to go to regular android. not that i hate sense, i just like options...
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WOW! your first post just to act like a butt.
seriously whats with all the snarly remarks people? binny asked a very straight forward question. to all those saying "get a different phone" verizon doesn't offer comparable android phone without sense, or "flash you're (thats for you 5377henry) own rom" we don't have root, hence the whole point of the question/thread.
anywho, i did not even know you could do that with windows, thanks for the info binny.
i have a feeling we would attain root before something like this could be played out through htc. i am baffled that they cut the option to go to regular android. not that i hate sense, i just like options...
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Lots of people don't know that you can do that with Windows. Witch is why I thought I would ask. I just don't know the legal aspect of it.
for sure you have heard about the new "XDA Developers' Android Hacker's Toolkit"
It is certainly a good idea to regroup all the forums method inside a book,wrote by hackers and geek.
the only thing I think is strange is that XDA focused on idea sharing and hacker philosopy.
So why do we have to pay for this book? It should be free, because it is not "original", all of us in some way wrote it...I don't want to pay it not because i don't want to spend money, but because I think it should respect the hacker philosopy.
what do you think?
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for sure you have heard about the new "XDA Developers' Android Hacker's Toolkit"
It is certainly a good idea to regroup all the forums method inside a book,wrote by hackers and geek.
the only thing I think is strange is that XDA focused on idea sharing and hacker philosopy.
So why do we have to pay for this book? It should be free, because it is not "original", all of us in some way wrote it...I don't want to pay it not because i don't want to spend money, but because I think it should respect the hacker philosopy.
what do you think?
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I think that XDA provide us with a great place to come and learn and share our knowledge. In order to achive this their is going to be costs and if they can make some extra money from selling a book. To then use the said money to make this service even better, i can only see it as a good thing. Also a lot of people find it easier to read from a book than a computer screen.
Edit - I have just read the portal artical, and all the profits are going to the EFF, although the money is not going directly into XDA, it will directly help and benifit XDA, as they have done in the past.
All revenue earned through purchases of the book on Amazon will be donated to the EFF, which has given assistance to members of our community in the past. It’s available in both physical and eBook formats. Without further ado, here’s where you can get it right now:
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Profits go to a good cause.
Don't want to pay, just read the forums instead.
Simple.
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Profits go to a good cause.
Don't want to pay, just read the forums instead.
Simple.
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Yes the profits are going to a very good cause. And to be honest with you I don't have any problem spending the $23 USD plus tax for the book. I really don't see why anyone would have a problem with it. But you just can not please all of the people no matter how hard you try.
I ordered mine in October, 2011. After many delays (like the Galaxy S3) I received my copy from amazon on Tuesday. I will use this weekend to read it. Learn some pointers.
As mentioned, profits from Amazon sales are donated to EFF.
All other profits (as anyone knows that has worked with a publisher), will be minuscule. We didn't do this to earn revenue, but to give people a great way to learn about Android development.
Keep on eye on the Portal...we'll be giving away a batch of free copies in the near future.
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As mentioned, profits from Amazon sales are donated to EFF.
All other profits (as anyone knows that has worked with a publisher), will be minuscule. We didn't do this to earn revenue, but to give people a great way to learn about Android development.
Keep on eye on the Portal...we'll be giving away a batch of free copies in the near future.
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Thanks for the tip, another good reason to go to the portal besides when the forums are down for maintenance.
svetius said:
As mentioned, profits from Amazon sales are donated to EFF.
All other profits (as anyone knows that has worked with a publisher), will be minuscule. We didn't do this to earn revenue, but to give people a great way to learn about Android development.
Keep on eye on the Portal...we'll be giving away a batch of free copies in the near future.
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Thanks for the tip, i will keep an eye out for that, stay at home dad = Poor
Good things come at a price..'nuff said.
Hello fellow developers,
I am turning to your expertise because as a member of XDA, I trust and value your opinion. I have a situation and would appreciate your input. I am working on an App idea. I've figured out most of the details and planned a road map. I have a 7 page mockup ready to build only a demo app (no backend, only visuals for potential investors to help me fund the full build).
I am wondering what I should expect in terms of costs to design and build an interactive demo? I would appreciate any range of costs you may find reasonable.
Thank you in advance for your input, I appreciate it.
Alex1x said:
I am wondering what I should expect in terms of costs to design and build an interactive demo? I would appreciate any range of costs you may find reasonable.
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I'm new here too, but been doing Android development for a few years... In my own experience I've built mockups/apps myself, so to me it was always "free"... my spare time... but if you want real answers, and related to your app, you'll have to provide a heck of a lot more detail!
"How long is a piece of string"...
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you'll have to provide a heck of a lot more detail!
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I agree, even if you will not have working logic in it, you still need to design it ( 7 Activities) and sometimes design is much harder to do than logic behind it
Just wondering, sorry if this questions has been asked, but i couldn't find an answer.
I see all these posts about people saying only about 10% of the people pay out on their BOUNTY pledges, why doesn't XDA create a holding that pays out when bounty is met? if there is a timed deadline.. (something reasonable like 6 months). that will at least give the developer confidence he will get some reward for working on it. Also it will set a realistic dollar figure.
frankly, rep is one thing, but getting pay for hard work is whole different animal. If i worked hard for days on delivering a solution, you can bet I want to get paid.
I think this will help with growth of XDA too...
sorry just ranting..
Agreed but I'm assuming liability issues.
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Agreed but I'm assuming liability issues.
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Bingo!
XDA is not a bank, and that would be a horrendously complicated thing to administer (especially if refunds have to be given at some point).
If I were XDA, I wouldn't touch that with a 10 foot pole.
This is a community, not a bank. It's not the responsibility of XDA to take care of monies and I doubt this would -ever- happen. If this was a device specific forum, it might, but not here.
I'm not going to make a pledge for root. I'll just pay the person who succeeds when they succeed. The whole idea of a bounty is a joke. I've contributed to lots of devs (Chainfire has earned a nice chunk off me) in the past and don't intend to stop now....But I don't need a pledge to be a nice person.
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This is a community, not a bank. It's not the responsibility of XDA to take care of monies and I doubt this would -ever- happen. If this was a device specific forum, it might, but not here.
I'm not going to make a pledge for root. I'll just pay the person who succeeds when they succeed. The whole idea of a bounty is a joke. I've contributed to lots of devs (Chainfire has earned a nice chunk off me) in the past and don't intend to stop now....But I don't need a pledge to be a nice person.
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That's what I always say. I donate if/when it happens and donate/support the dev of the ROM that I use the most.
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This is a community, not a bank. It's not the responsibility of XDA to take care of monies and I doubt this would -ever- happen. If this was a device specific forum, it might, but not here.
I'm not going to make a pledge for root. I'll just pay the person who succeeds when they succeed. The whole idea of a bounty is a joke. I've contributed to lots of devs (Chainfire has earned a nice chunk off me) in the past and don't intend to stop now....But I don't need a pledge to be a nice person.
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What you say makes perfect sense to me, and most of others here. however not everyone thinks the say way.
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Just wondering, sorry if this questions has been asked, but i couldn't find an answer.
I see all these posts about people saying only about 10% of the people pay out on their BOUNTY pledges, why doesn't XDA create a holding that pays out when bounty is met? if there is a timed deadline.. (something reasonable like 6 months). that will at least give the developer confidence he will get some reward for working on it. Also it will set a realistic dollar figure.
frankly, rep is one thing, but getting pay for hard work is whole different animal. If i worked hard for days on delivering a solution, you can bet I want to get paid.
I think this will help with growth of XDA too...
sorry just ranting..
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Because of all of these:
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XDA is not a bank, and that would be a horrendously complicated thing to administer (especially if refunds have to be given at some point).
If I were XDA, I wouldn't touch that with a 10 foot pole.
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This is a community, not a bank. It's not the responsibility of XDA to take care of monies and I doubt this would -ever- happen. If this was a device specific forum, it might, but not here.
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AND because XDA BARELY tolerates Bounty threads and only under very specific conditions. Have you seen how many devices XDA has forums for? Do you know how many bounties are still unclaimed and threads open? How many people would be patient and wait after giving up their money? Then what about time limits? What if it never happens? What about individuals deciding they waited too long and want their money back? What if all money is refunded and it happens right after? There are sites made just for these kinds of things, XDA is not one of them.