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[Q] queation about SetCpu

ok, i searched for the problem i had but couldnt find anything relevant. i hope someone can direct me to it, if there is any already, or give me an answer,
i downloaded Setcpu and ive seen most of people using "conservative" scaling for better battery life, but i dont see that option in the app. i just see ondemand, userspace and performance.
any idea if im doing something wrong?
and also i would appreciate if someone can tell me the settings for longer battery life? wanted to try it but didnt understand that much.
thanks.
btw im using virus rom rc3 with stock kernel.

The governors are kernel specific- if the kernel doesn't support it, it won't show up as an option. In your case, conservative scaling is not supported by the kernel you are using.

_MetalHead_ said:
The governors are kernel specific- if the kernel doesn't support it, it won't show up as an option. In your case, conservative scaling is not supported by the kernel you are using.
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oh ok. now i got it. thanks for the info.

Both Netarchy and Kings kernels have "conservative" governors on them. One of the top ways to conserve battery is to make a profile setting for Screen Off where you set the min and max freq to the lowest possible setting. For me though I can go to 128 Mhz, I get too much lag on wake-up and therefore set to 384. Your phone may do better.
Someone also made a thread that describes the advanced settings. Tweaking those can also improve battery life as well.
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sombdy said:
Both Netarchy and Kings kernels have "conservative" governors on them. One of the top ways to conserve battery is to make a profile setting for Screen Off where you set the min and max freq to the lowest possible setting. For me though I can go to 128 Mhz, I get too much lag on wake-up and therefore set to 384. Your phone may do better.
Someone also made a thread that describes the advanced settings. Tweaking those can also improve battery life as well.
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appreciate it.. thanks ..

[Q] HAVS + CPU Control & [Q] Battery Applications

I have a HAVS kernel (Net's 4.2.2 SBC CFS Aggressive HAVS) and as I understand it any sort of CPU Tweaking application will cause conflict and probably a system crash, correct?
Also, can some recommend me any applications that compliment Juice Defender well. I have Juice Plotter already. I am looking for an aggressive auto task killer that's customizable along with any other suggested applications. Thank you!

A system crash is a possibility but they will basically just counteract each other and either make your battery life worse or give a performance hit.
SetCPU helps dynamically underclock/overclock based on certain scenarios. You can set what scenarios you want. Another option is AutoKiller. It isn't Auto Task Killer. Its a different application. Not quite sure how this works but you can research it. However Froyo does a good job managing most applications.
But if you are looking for customization I would go with SetCPU and AutoKiller

Thank's however since I'm running a HAVS kernel I won't use SetCPU. However I will look into Autokiller. Thanks

Vulf said:
Thank's however since I'm running a HAVS kernel I won't use SetCPU. However I will look into Autokiller. Thanks
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o.o a ton of people use set cpu with havs... its not setting voltages... its setting the cpu speed...

I just installed setcpu and ran it. My phone crashed about 10 seconds after I allowed root access. Tried twice more with same results.

aimbdd said:
o.o a ton of people use set cpu with havs... its not setting voltages... its setting the cpu speed...
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Its the governors that conflict. Not sure on the exact technical specifics but think of it like OCing a comp.
Some mobos have dynamic OCing. They adjust voltages based on CPU draw. If SetCPU sets CPU speed but HAVS reduces voltage... it would cause a crash. Its always better to have one thing deal with both CPU and voltage.
I'm not a full blown expert with kernels and how they function. All I know is to not mess around with SetCPU + HAVS kernels. It was always unstable or a massive battery drain for me based on my testing.

sekigah84 said:
Its the governors that conflict. Not sure on the exact technical specifics but think of it like OCing a comp.
Some mobos have dynamic OCing. They adjust voltages based on CPU draw. If SetCPU sets CPU speed but HAVS reduces voltage... it would cause a crash. Its always better to have one thing deal with both CPU and voltage.
I'm not a full blown expert with kernels and how they function. All I know is to not mess around with SetCPU + HAVS kernels. It was always unstable or a massive battery drain for me based on my testing.
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Setcpu does not do anything that a user with root access and terminal emulator can't. Setcpu does not actively do anything related to cpu speed or voltage in way shape or form. What setcpu does do is set the min and max speed the cpu can scale to and the parameters specific to the governor (up-threshold for one).
The governors also don't conflict with setcpu because setcpu does not do anything that a governor does.
The only things setcpu does is allow you to specify what governors and cpu speeds to use during screen on/off, charging, and battery levels through the use of a gui.
Technically setcpu does not interfere with havs its the settings that cause the issues. Again, what setcpu does any root user with te can do. If you issue the wrong settings in te and your device "crashes" is the user going to blame the settings or te? With the way some people are they would probably claim te interferes with havs instead of realizing that the setting combo they issued is not stable.
Setcpu is a great gui to tweak cpu parameters but don't confuse it with an app that actually controls the dynamic cpu frequency scaling or its voltages.

lovethyEVO said:
Setcpu does not do anything that a user with root access and terminal emulator can't. Setcpu does not actively do anything related to cpu speed or voltage in way shape or form. What setcpu does do is set the min and max speed the cpu can scale to and the parameters specific to the governor (up-threshold for one).
The governors also don't conflict with setcpu because setcpu does not do anything that a governor does.
The only things setcpu does is allow you to specify what governors and cpu speeds to use during screen on/off, charging, and battery levels through the use of a gui.
Technically setcpu does not interfere with havs its the settings that cause the issues. Again, what setcpu does any root user with te can do. If you issue the wrong settings in te and your device "crashes" is the user going to blame the settings or te? With the way some people are they would probably claim te interferes with havs instead of realizing that the setting combo they issued is not stable.
Setcpu is a great gui to tweak cpu parameters but don't confuse it with an app that actually controls the dynamic cpu frequency scaling or its voltages.
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Ahh there. someone more knowledgable then me explains it perfectly.
I've run set cpu plus haves kernel for the last month... as have almost everyone using savagedzen.. thats what they recommend. If it was causing issues i am sure we would know by now. 100%stable... 0 random reboots! (well... accept for when i didn't follow directions xD)

aimbdd said:
Ahh there. someone more knowledgable then me explains it perfectly.
I've run set cpu plus haves kernel for the last month... as have almost everyone using savagedzen.. thats what they recommend. If it was causing issues i am sure we would know by now. 100%stable... 0 random reboots! (well... accept for when i didn't follow directions xD)
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I believe you and am not discrediting you but how come when I run SetCPU on a kernel with HAVS, it crashes? (Tried 4.3.1 and 4.2.2.) I moved the maximum value from the default 944 by maybe one or 2 notches up and the device freezes and crashes. Maybe Netarchy's kernels aren't compatible with CPU Tweaking programs? Anyone out there running a Netarchy Kernel w/ HAVS + SetCPU successfully?

Vulf said:
I believe you and am not discrediting you but how come when I run SetCPU on a kernel with HAVS, it crashes? (Tried 4.3.1 and 4.2.2.) I moved the maximum value from the default 944 by maybe one or 2 notches up and the device freezes and crashes. Maybe Netarchy's kernels aren't compatible with CPU Tweaking programs? Anyone out there running a Netarchy Kernel w/ HAVS + SetCPU successfully?
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Again, it is not setcpu it is your settings. You said you moved the slider "one or two notches up" (overclock) from the default 944? The evos default max is 998. Either way, with what you said you are overclocking and your device cannot handle the overclocked speed.
Like I said, you can do the exact same thing that setcpu does through terminal emulator. Instead of blame setcpu you should observe the speed/governor combo you are using.
I can oc my evo to 1.26 on my personal kernel without it rebooting on certain governors but on others it would reboot randomly and I don't set cpu parameters through setcpu, I use te, init scripts, and tasker.

lovethyEVO said:
Setcpu does not do anything that a user with root access and terminal emulator can't. Setcpu does not actively do anything related to cpu speed or voltage in way shape or form. What setcpu does do is set the min and max speed the cpu can scale to and the parameters specific to the governor (up-threshold for one).
The governors also don't conflict with setcpu because setcpu does not do anything that a governor does.
The only things setcpu does is allow you to specify what governors and cpu speeds to use during screen on/off, charging, and battery levels through the use of a gui.
Technically setcpu does not interfere with havs its the settings that cause the issues. Again, what setcpu does any root user with te can do. If you issue the wrong settings in te and your device "crashes" is the user going to blame the settings or te? With the way some people are they would probably claim te interferes with havs instead of realizing that the setting combo they issued is not stable.
Setcpu is a great gui to tweak cpu parameters but don't confuse it with an app that actually controls the dynamic cpu frequency scaling or its voltages.
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Couldn't have said it better. The common misconception around these parts is that SetCPU has some negative effect on kernels with HAVS and this is just untrue.

Maybe I'm getting some terrible luck. I've always gotten negative results from using both SetCPU and HAVS. Tried different settings and recommended settings from others. As well as trying to tweak it myself. Not working so I just removed it and HAVS worked better on its own.
Sorry for the misinformation.

sekigah84 said:
Maybe I'm getting some terrible luck. I've always gotten negative results from using both SetCPU and HAVS. Tried different settings and recommended settings from others. As well as trying to tweak it myself. Not working so I just removed it and HAVS worked better on its own.
Sorry for the misinformation.
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The common practice with setcpu is to use it to underclock when sleeping. Depending on the governor you use (besides powersave) you are actually causing the cpu to struggle when completing tasks if you limit the max to 245 for example. During sleep if it needs to perform a task and that task would normally complete in 1 second at 998 mhz imagine how much longer it would take if it was capped at 245.
I have had better results not underclocking while sleeping. I would suggest using setcpu to specify to use the conservative governor when sleeping, ondemand/interactive/smartass when screen on (depending on which one you want), and interactive/ondemand while charging without under/overclocking at all and using the default freqs (245 - 998). I'm certain you would be surprised at how your evo behaves after that.

I don't know though... if race to idle applied here why would phone manufacturers ever under clock their phone? It kind of confuses me. Rti applies to computers but not phones? doesn't make sense.

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I don't know though... if race to idle applied here why would phone manufacturers ever under clock their phone? It kind of confuses me. Rti applies to computers but not phones? doesn't make sense.
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My last post may have been a bit confusing so I will clarify. When I said underclock I was referring to the practice of capping the max freq to 245 which is what most people do. If you cap the freq at 245 you are essentially underclocked all the time and would cause your cpu to work harder.
The evo underclocks automatically when the cpu load is low enough (idle for example) to save on power, reduce temps, and to basically keep the system running. But I would assume that most of us who have used setcpu have seen how lousy the evo runs when it can't scale up (locked at 245) when using the evo. The governors will underclock the cpu on their own if the device reports it does not need the higher freqs and this occurs during sleep/screen off as well.

Ugh this is quite frustrating. Perhaps it's the current kernel I'm using that's the problem?

Vulf said:
Ugh this is quite frustrating. Perhaps it's the current kernel I'm using that's the problem?
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Have you done testing to make sure your phone plays well with the more aggressive kernel? If using SetCPU is causing your phone to reboot then you may want to adjust your overclock, switch to the less aggressive kernel, or update to the newest netarchy SBC powered kernel; 4.3.2.

freeza said:
Have you done testing to make sure your phone plays well with the more aggressive kernel? If using SetCPU is causing your phone to reboot then it you may want to adjust your overclock, switch to the less aggressive kernel, or update to the newest netarchy SBC powered kernel; 4.3.2.
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I'm not sure how I would go testing my kernel? I mean I've been using it since yesterday morning and there haven't been any FC's/phone crashes or anything strange so I guess the aggressive HAVS works well with my phone. I'll try upgrading to 4.3.2. I'm assuming it works fine for you?

freeza said:
Have you done testing to make sure your phone plays well with the more aggressive kernel? If using SetCPU is causing your phone to reboot then it you may want to adjust your overclock, switch to the less aggressive kernel, or update to the newest netarchy SBC powered kernel; 4.3.2.
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This.
Very sound advice and yes some evos can't undervolt as well as others. Always remember too that the stock kernel for the evos use CFS. If you are using a bfs kernel that could also cause issues. Some evos run better with bfs versus cfs but it's really going to come down to the amount of time you want to put into testing and confirming what your evo likes.

Vulf said:
I'm not sure how I would go testing my kernel? I mean I've been using it since yesterday morning and there haven't been any FC's/phone crashes or anything strange so I guess the aggressive HAVS works well with my phone. I'll try upgrading to 4.3.2. I'm assuming it works fine for you?
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Yeah, it does. How far are you trying to overclock before your phone freezes/reboots?

[Q] Calk's Preset Profiles to save battery question?

Notes about Battery Saver script
Can be used with kernels that have init.d support
It completely eliminates the need for an application to set CPU speeds or profiles
Easily customizable if you use a text editor(scripts located in /system/etc/init.d)
It will set Max CPU speed to 500MHz & Min CPU speed to 200MHz when a sleep
If SetCPU, Overclock Widget, Android Overclock or QuickClock Advanced Overclock are detected, the script is ignored, so it will not affect them
Preset profiles are:
1.2GHz - 100-85%
1.0GHz - 84-36%
800MHz - 35-0%
And just an FYI, even at 800MHz, the phone still operates very well & smooth but the battery saving are the real benefit
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Does this mean that if I don't use Set CPU or any app that undervolt it, the phone will AUTOMATICALLY drop the CPU speed according to my battery level:
1.2GHz - 100-85%
1.0GHz - 84-36%
800MHz - 35-0%
Another word, it will automatically drop CPU speed to 800 MHZ when my battery level is 35-0% in order to save battery?

It won't "Drop" the CPU speed, it will lower the Maximum speed the CPU is allowed to ramp up to.

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It won't "Drop" the CPU speed, it will lower the Maximum speed the CPU is allowed to ramp up to.
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So if I am not doing CPU intensive stuff and just play simple games, email, web surfing phone call, then I am not going to see battery improvement since my CPU probably don't ramp past 800MHZ anyway when I am just doing simple stuff.?

Calk's ROM undervolts the CPU at all speeds so that in itself should help a little with battery life. But you are correct, if you are not doing CPU intensive tasks the CPU probably isn't spending much time at the higher speeds.
There is an app called CPUSpy which shows how much time the CPU has spent in each frequency state.

Your phone will ramp up to 1200 mhz more than you think. When it loads a webpage, it will ramp up to 1200, when it's loading your "simple" game, it will max out for a bit, etc.
It might not stay there for very long, but still. The nice thing about Calkuins rom is that even at 800 mhz, the phone is super smooth and lag free. In fact I just turn setcpu down to 800 all the time.

Let me research setcpu and play around with it. Thanks again for the quick answers.

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Your phone will ramp up to 1200 mhz more than you think. When it loads a webpage, it will ramp up to 1200, when it's loading your "simple" game, it will max out for a bit, etc.
It might not stay there for very long, but still. The nice thing about Calkuins rom is that even at 800 mhz, the phone is super smooth and lag free. In fact I just turn setcpu down to 800 all the time.
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The way Calkulin's rom scripts are setup, setcpu gets reset on every reboot, even if you have it set to boot settings. The scripts installed will still take priority and the old rules apply, just to let you know. So you would have to set setcpu every boot for it to work, that or remove the scripts.
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Team era... Does the same idea apply to the blazer 2.0 battery saving script? or does tegrak break it?
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I havnt opened that rom, but Im gonna say the same applies, I remove those scripts, 2 will affect the cpu state.
edit, let me clarify, the scripts take prority, even if the app makes a script for init.d, the original script will take over on a reboot. So the script breaks tegrak, setcpu, and voltage control unless you set the app on every reboot.

I am running Calks 2 and desperado kernel. I notice when using setcpu, if you have it set on boot, it will override calks script.
His script does work well on saving battery life though. I ran oc'd while at 20% and still had 1700mhz blazing on performance gov.
I'd still use Calks script over setcpu or tegrak only due to the fact im too sporatic with my phone use to create optimal profiles to fit the way and when i need to use the device.

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I am running Calks 2 and desperado kernel. I notice when using setcpu, if you have it set on boot, it will override calks script.
His script does work well on saving battery life though. I ran oc'd while at 20% and still had 1700mhz blazing on performance gov.
I'd still use Calks script over setcpu or tegrak only due to the fact im too sporatic with my phone use to create optimal profiles to fit the way and when i need to use the device.
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Actually in my own testing setcpu will not override the scripts, the slider may stay the same, but trust me, it goes back to 800 (or 1200 over 86%batt), Ive tested it several times. If you want proof Ill tell you how to figure it out. I know Im not respected yet, but I am someone that is known under another name that is highly respected, so, take it as you will.
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Era, what's your suggestion for keeping the battery saving scripts running and getting a 1500 ish over clock when needed... something that can do both without having to physically change setcpu everytime. I basically want to permanently over clock to 1.5 and still save as much battery as possible when i have the screen off or it is charging. Idk if setcpu profiles work on this phone because i know they did not work correctly on the galaxy s. And one final question... what voltages do u run at what speeds on the "desperado" kernel to undervolt efficiently?
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Actually in my own testing setcpu will not override the scripts, the slider may stay the same, but trust me, it goes back to 800 (or 1200 over 86%batt), Ive tested it several times. If you want proof Ill tell you how to figure it out. I know Im not respected yet, but I am someone that is known under another name that is highly respected, so, take it as you will.
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ERA. I wasn't looking to say that you were wrong in any way shape or form. I would be interested to know how you seen this as I am still in the beginning phases of learning the android system. I do plan on writing my own kernal/roms but I was actually sharing what my logical thought process would have been given the apps and system info I had avail.
I have a little ways to go in understanding the structure and FS of droid. Time is everyones enemy. Thanks for the correction again!

I havnt opened that rom, but Im gonna say the same applies, I remove those scripts, 2 will affect the cpu state.
edit, let me clarify, the scripts take prority, even if the app makes a script for init.d, the original script will take over on a reboot. So the script breaks tegrak, setcpu, and voltage control unless you set the app on every reboot.

I'm currently running Calkulin's rom v2.5, and even at 41% battery I notice the cpu still hits 1.2 Ghz. Is his script activated by default or am I overlooking something? I also have nothing like setcpu installed.

[Q] System Tuner and Governor settings

Hi,
I'm a little confused about the cpu tweaks in system tuner. I'm running Bullet v2.9b. What is the difference between the different governor settings? Also, when I change the cpu clock speeds, it keeps resetting to the default settings.

I had this same issue with system tuner. Try another CPU apparently from the market. The governors tell the CPU how fast to ramp up. Conservative is the best for battery life. Performance is the worst. On demand is a middle ground for battery and speed.
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haloschief said:
Hi,
I'm a little confused about the cpu tweaks in system tuner. I'm running Bullet v2.9b. What is the difference between the different governor settings? Also, when I change the cpu clock speeds, it keeps resetting to the default settings.
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Did you ever sort out the System Tuner CPU tweak issue? I'm having the same or a similar problem. I set the freqs to 384-1.6 (whatever) and go away (home or back...). When I return to ST, seconds later, the CPU setting is 1.6-1.6. This happens almost all the time. It does not happen with SetCPU. I'd prefer to use ST, but not with this weirdness.
(I'm using faux-u009 with the standard KL1 ROM.)
Thanks for any help.

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Hi,
I'm using Jugg 4.1 with the bullet kernel. I was wondering what are some normal settings for the CPU when using system tuner. It seems like the first setting is +1 ghz while the second is in the 300-400 mhz range. Any help would be much appreciated.

@disguy03 - Your settings of 384MHz - 1GHz CPU are exactly what I'm using--that, and the Ondemand governor--and I haven't had any problems. If anything, since your CPU is underclocked at its highest, to ~1GHz, your battery will love you for it.
I hope that helps you in some way!

I have noticed the same behaviour, with system tuner. I believe it is a display issue. If you look at the times they will still show the lower ones. At least that is what I see.

its a graphical glitch...if you leave the CPU tab and come back it reverts to the proper view but will work properly as long as you have it set to either run from intuit.d or change after boot.

i messed up my tablet :(

I touched some no frills cpu control settings and now my benchmark results are about 19000-22000 and it used to be like 24000 i tried changing the rom and all that stuff if someone can give me the stock governator and all frequencys and that stuff it would be helpful.. Thanks i need help i dont know what to do

Now i cant do any better than 23000

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Now i cant do any better than 23000
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Firstly, I assume by the size score that you are using Antutututu. If so then you always get variance in the scores, and yes it can be 4k difference.
Next, I'm gonna bet that you are seeing thermal throttling, where the device is turning off 2 of the cores due to heat.
I've only noticed this behaviour recently myself. It's a real pain in the arse. I've downloaded trinity kernel app to get around the problem. In his app you can turn off thermal throttling and force the two other Cores to stay on.
This isn't a permanent fix though as the settings don't want to stick for some reason that is beyond me.
Next, is there no reset to default in no frills cpu app ?
Or you can uninstall no frills and make sure you delete any folders off your sd card, then either reflash your rom or you could even flash AICP kernel.
This should get you back to default.
Finally if you still think it's your settings, you could tell us all the settings you have changed and between the guys on the forum we could tell you what to change back to.
All the best rich
**just had a quick look at no frills on play Store. Looks like there's not loads to alter.
I like interactive governer and row scheduler (as we can't get row I use deadline.)
Min frequency wants to be at 384 and max at 1728.
That's the basics.
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