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Before I upgraded to CyanogenMod 9.0, I would get a Google Voice message notification for a text message. I'd go into the web version of Google Voice, answer the text and then after a bit, the notification would go away on my phone.
Now switched to CM9 and the notification doesn't go away unless I answer the text on my phone or clear it out on the phone.
I've tried GummyNex and CM9 and they both do it.
Has anyone else seen this? I've done the thing where I've uninstalled GV, did the *73, deleted all the Verizon VMs and the reinstalled GV but it still does it.
Don't think its related to your ROM as I'm having the exact same issue on stock 4.0.4 and have always been on stock. Seems to have started a couple weeks ago....
Been pulling my hair out trying to figure out what's going on and was about to start a thread myself asking if anyone else had the issue. Thought I was just crazy at first, but I know for a fact this is not how the app acted before. I've tried changing all kinds of things for my browser use of voice.google.com, deleted/re-installed the app, and nothing works.
I'll be texting using just the browser for a bit and look at my phone and I'll have a notification for "25 Google Voice Messages" or whatever. They never clear. I notice that when opening the GV app to the thread I'm texting in, it hasn't synced in the background, and takes a few seconds for the messages I had sent to show up in the thread. It seems as though Google Voice isn't getting background sync anymore.
Aww man So it was just highly coincidental that it happened around the same time I switched over to a different rom.
It's surprisingly frustrating for such a little thing. I just use it so much that it forces me to check the phone and clear it manually to make sure I don't *actually* have a new message when I'm using both my phone and the web app.
Argh.
Yeah - nothing I've found has fixed the issue.
Seijin said:
Aww man So it was just highly coincidental that it happened around the same time I switched over to a different rom.
It's surprisingly frustrating for such a little thing. I just use it so much that it forces me to check the phone and clear it manually to make sure I don't *actually* have a new message when I'm using both my phone and the web app.
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Yes I think it's actually a coincidence as I said I've been on stock and it all of a sudden stopped working as it was. This is just really weird because there's been no update to the app or anything.
It's extra frustrating because Google Voice is my primary #, so I'm doing about 99.9% of my texting with it, and really enjoy being able to use voice.google.com. Dealing with clearing GV notifications every time I pick my phone up is very lame.
I don't believe I'm experiencing this, gv on GSM nexus, stock 4.0.4 rooted. Straight talk tmo mvno
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I don't currently have this with my yakju 4.0.4 OTA stock ROM, but I have seen it before on this phone and every other phone I've owned across stock & custom ROMs. Fairly confident it's a problem with the app itself
@crachel - are you on cdma or gsm?
crachel said:
Fairly confident it's a problem with the app itself
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What could it be though? I've done everything short of a factory reset. Nothing about the app itself or the settings I used changed and it started happening out of nowhere.
Seijin said:
@crachel - are you on cdma or gsm?
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GSM
martonikaj said:
What could it be though? I've done everything short of a factory reset. Nothing about the app itself or the settings I used changed and it started happening out of nowhere.
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I don't know.. I agree though that the problem just comes and goes, which is odd. Just a couple weeks ago they weren't clearing for me, but right now it's working fine. I remember thinking that's it's ridiculous this happens on stock firmware
crachel said:
I don't know.. I agree though that the problem just comes and goes, which is odd. Just a couple weeks ago they weren't clearing for me, but right now it's working fine. I remember thinking that's it's ridiculous this happens on stock firmware
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Even moreso ridiculous if this is a known issue and they haven't addressed it even with these several early 2012 updates to the GV app, which made it a lot better overall in UI and UX. I just don't see how it can come and go with no changes whatsoever to your settings.
Mine definitely does the same thing... I thought it used to clear them for me, but I wasn't sure, and figured I was just thinking of how Google Talk clears the messages.
Not a huge deal to me, but it would definitely be nice if they would fix this. Our best bet is to make a post on the help forums with a bunch of posts in it.
xur17 said:
Mine definitely does the same thing... I thought it used to clear them for me, but I wasn't sure, and figured I was just thinking of how Google Talk clears the messages.
Not a huge deal to me, but it would definitely be nice if they would fix this. Our best bet is to make a post on the help forums with a bunch of posts in it.
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If I get some time I'll put up a bug report on Google Groups/Google Code.
Edit: Nevermind! Someone's on it already from February: https://code.google.com/p/android/i...on&colspec=ID Type Status Owner Summary Stars
I'd appreciate if you're having this issue to star and comment there (as well as here).
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If I get some time I'll put up a bug report on Google Groups/Google Code.
Edit: Nevermind! Someone's on it already from February: https://code.google.com/p/android/i...on&colspec=ID Type Status Owner Summary Stars
I'd appreciate if you're having this issue to star and comment there (as well as here).
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Thanks for the link!
If anyone has a chance, they should make a post in the Google Voice forums here (I'll try to do it later when I have a chance if no-one else gets to it): http://productforums.google.com/forum/#!categories/voice/using-google-voice-on-a-mobile-device. I heard that Google Engineers do monitor / read these sometimes, so if we all post in a thread there is a chance it will get read / fixed.
I really wish there was a better way to get stuff like this fixed.
Bit late to the party. Just wanted to chime in that in my experience I don't think I've ever seen the GV notification clear itself after checking the web interface on my computer.
I've been using android for a year now and have gone through 3 phones and the asus transformer tablet. My current phone is running a CM9 based rom, but still it doesn't clear these notifications.
Man, I'd love it if it did.
Note: I think that if you use the GV widget, you will see that the notification on the widget DOES clear after checking the web interface (or at least it did in GB because I just tested this on my current phone and widget doesn't clear it either). I suppose this means that GV is pushing the "read" status of an sms to our phones. The notification on the notification bar, however, still persists despite this.
EDIT: Given my last test on my current phone, it looks like the widget doesn't clear the notification like it used to on GB. It looks like it is, in fact, a syncing issue.
LeoBloom. said:
Bit late to the party. Just wanted to chime in that in my experience I don't think I've ever seen the GV notification clear itself after checking the web interface on my computer.
I've been using android for a year now and have gone through 3 phones and the asus transformer tablet. My current phone is running a CM9 based rom, but still it doesn't clear these notifications.
Man, I'd love it if it did.
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I can confirm that it actually did used to clear when viewed on another device, and this is the intended action. It should work exactly like an IMAP e-mail account (say, the GMail app). If you view a message on the device or in a web browser, it is cleared as read on the other. Google Voice used to do the same, and stopped doing so randomly. It's completely a backend problem.
Really wish they would fix this. Still happening on JB. Very annoying for those of us who text from the web all day.
xdp said:
Really wish they would fix this. Still happening on JB. Very annoying for those of us who text from the web all day.
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Still a problem, go over to the google group link posted above and star the issue to (hopefully) increase it's priority and visibility:
https://code.google.com/p/android/i...s Owner Summary Stars&groupby=&sort=&id=25301
Recently my phone has started to just cut out for no reason, I've had a look around the forum for help but I'm also not very good with phones.
I'm guessing I need to reset the phone for it to work but i want to keep all my contacts. (How would i do that?)
I also don't mind improving the phone with new software if you guys suggest it, as long as you let me know how to do it.
Would much appreciate any help and suggestions from you guys
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Recently my phone has started to just cut out for no reason, I've had a look around the forum for help but I'm also not very good with phones.
I'm guessing I need to reset the phone for it to work but i want to keep all my contacts. (How would i do that?)
I also don't mind improving the phone with new software if you guys suggest it, as long as you let me know how to do it.
Would much appreciate any help and suggestions from you guys
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if you're syn with Google account you don't have to do backup for your contacts but if you don't you can use this app https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.idea.backup.smscontacts&feature=search_result
to backup contacts and messages and call log
Anyone else have this issue? I bought a Huawei watch and returned it but ever since then I can't reply via voice. Nor can I even see the message conversation. The options come up but if I click it, it just vibrates and doesn't do anything. Any ideas?
I can't seem to use voice since the update on the 17th. The watch knows I am speaking but it makes up insane misinterpretations of my words. Haven't found anything more on the subject.
Yeah idk but it's very annoying. Maybe if they would release the damn MM update.
shade0230 said:
I can't seem to use voice since the update on the 17th. The watch knows I am speaking but it makes up insane misinterpretations of my words. Haven't found anything more on the subject.
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Right language used in setup ? maybe an error and it is in foreign language ?
Not sure where to put this, so I apologize if I'm in the wrong area here.
I can't find anything regarding this issue on XDA. I feel like it has probably been addressed, but where, I don't know.
Since to Google Voice update, myself and others are not able to make outgoing calls using GV. This seems unique to HTC devices, M8, M9, 10. Verizon users get a "Network busy message" when dialing out. Sprint users, like myself, are getting "your number can not be completed as dialed".
Some Verizon users have been able to fix the issue by enabling or disabling advanced calling. As Sprint users, we do not have this option. Another Verizon user (M8 NuSense) was able to fix the issue by clearing data in the phone app.
This issue seems to be that with the update, GV is appending +1 to the outgoing call. When rolling back to the previous version, all is well again. This isn't a ROM specific issue, but I'm on Leedroids latest.
Google Voice help forums have been zero help to us. Someone suggested the downgrade and our issue was marked as solved. Ha, far from.
Is anyone here using the upgraded GV app? Is this a known issue? I don't suppose there is a current fix, so if nothing else, I am hoping to spread awareness. But like I said, I'm sure it's been addressed, I just can not find it. Maybe someone can just point me to the correct thread?
Thanks guys.
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Not sure where to put this, so I apologize if I'm in the wrong area here.
I can't find anything regarding this issue on XDA. I feel like it has probably been addressed, but where, I don't know.
Since to Google Voice update, myself and others are not able to make outgoing calls using GV. This seems unique to HTC devices, M8, M9, 10. Verizon users get a "Network busy message" when dialing out. Sprint users, like myself, are getting "your number can not be completed as dialed".
Some Verizon users have been able to fix the issue by enabling or disabling advanced calling. As Sprint users, we do not have this option. Another Verizon user (M8 NuSense) was able to fix the issue by clearing data in the phone app.
This issue seems to be that with the update, GV is appending +1 to the outgoing call. When rolling back to the previous version, all is well again. This isn't a ROM specific issue, but I'm on Leedroids latest.
Google Voice help forums have been zero help to us. Someone suggested the downgrade and our issue was marked as solved. Ha, far from.
Is anyone here using the upgraded GV app? Is this a known issue? I don't suppose there is a current fix, so if nothing else, I am hoping to spread awareness. But like I said, I'm sure it's been addressed, I just can not find it. Maybe someone can just point me to the correct thread?
Thanks guys.
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I haven't personally tried or used this feature but if you can fix it by rolling back then why not do just that?
There may be an edit that can be made for the newer version to reflect the older version but I'm assuming you would be better reverting back to the old version for an easier solution.
Stop updates from going automatically. I do this anyway, nothing ceases to function.
Sorry this doesn't fix the actual issue but it's a sold workaround unless there's a reason for not wanting to revert back?
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dladz said:
I haven't personally tried or used this feature but if you can fix it by rolling back then why not do just that?
There may be an edit that can be made for the newer version to reflect the older version but I'm assuming you would be better reverting back to the old version for an easier solution.
Stop updates from going automatically. I do this anyway, nothing ceases to function.
Sorry this doesn't fix the actual issue but it's a sold workaround unless there's a reason for not wanting to revert back?
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Rolling back is my current workaround, and I've disabled updates. As one who despises Hangouts, and greatly values GV, when the update dropped I was thrilled. The revamped UI is Also-ish and blows Hangouts UI out of the water. I'd much prefer to send SMS via the new GV app vs Hangouts. GV is my primary number and having to rely on Hangouts to send GV SMS hasn't been reliable. Half the time it won't notify my of new messages unless I completely back out of the app. I find myself double checking my phone often to make sure I've closed out the Hangouts.
I would imagine many users here are well aware and make use of the benefits of GV, so more than anything I wanted to bring attention to the issue, not so much expecting to find an answer. Also curious to see if anyone has NOT run into the issue.
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Rolling back is my current workaround, and I've disabled updates. As one who despises Hangouts, and greatly values GV, when the update dropped I was thrilled. The revamped UI is Also-ish and blows Hangouts UI out of the water. I'd much prefer to send SMS via the new GV app vs Hangouts. GV is my primary number and having to rely on Hangouts to send GV SMS hasn't been reliable. Half the time it won't notify my of new messages unless I completely back out of the app. I find myself double checking my phone often to make sure I've closed out the Hangouts.
I would imagine many users here are well aware and make use of the benefits of GV, so more than anything I wanted to bring attention to the issue, not so much expecting to find an answer. Also curious to see if anyone has NOT run into the issue.
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Don't use GV for anything other than searching myself, unlimited texts and calls from my provider so i have no need?
What about one of the modders like team black out? They may have a modded version of the newer ones? They've got a thread on XDA (just search for it)
I use their google app and pixel launcher to have it all blacked out.
Sorry can't be of more help mate
dladz said:
Don't use GV for anything other than searching myself, unlimited texts and calls from my provider so i have no need?
What about one of the modders like team black out? They may have a modded version of the newer ones? They've got a thread on XDA (just search for it)
I use their google app and pixel launcher to have it all blacked out.
Sorry can't be of more help mate
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What exactly do you mean by "calls from your provider"?
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What exactly do you mean by "calls from your provider"?
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You said GV Is my primary number? I'm assuming you make calls through it or something, is that what you meant ??
Explain what you mean please!
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dladz said:
You said GV Is my primary number? I'm assuming you make calls through it or something, is that what you meant ??
Explain what you mean please!
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Yes, your assumption is correct. GV app > make all calls using GV. That is what is not working for me with the update. Is it working for you?
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Yes, your assumption is correct. GV app > make all calls using GV. That is what is not working for me with the update. Is it working for you?
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No I don't use it. I'm with EE in the UK. I have unlimited calls and texts. 10GB of data.. So I don't need it.
Afaik I can't use it here anyway.
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dladz said:
No I don't use it. I'm with EE in the UK. I have unlimited calls and texts. 10GB of data.. So I don't need it.
Afaik I can't use it here anyway.
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I use it simply because I can send SMS from all devices, and I can switch providers and not care about my number. Just moved across country, went with a new provider (unlimited everything), and could care less what number they assigned me. I don't even know it lol
*AND visual voicemail
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I use it simply because I can send SMS from all devices, and I can switch providers and not care about my number. Just moved across country, went with a new provider (unlimited everything), and could care less what number they assigned me. I don't even know it lol
*AND visual voicemail
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Check this out mate..
https://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=71303638
Might help. They're working on a Google Voice theme so could work for you.
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I'll check it out myself sounds good.
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Don't click thanks a lot do you ?
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Don't click thanks a lot do you ?
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Haha Honestly, no. Not used to someone trying to be so helpful.
I found the issue to be that the ROM I was on, while it supported Sprint, carrier specific settings have not been implemented. I found this out while searching how to do a profile update. To do so, I had to flash a carrier specific ROM. Once I did that, GV worked, as well as profile update. Looks like the next update to Leedroid is slated to have these options.
Keeping my eye on that linked thread, though. I themed GV would be sweet. Thanx buddy.
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Haha Honestly, no. Not used to someone trying to be so helpful.
I found the issue to be that the ROM I was on, while it supported Sprint, carrier specific settings have not been implemented. I found this out while searching how to do a profile update. To do so, I had to flash a carrier specific ROM. Once I did that, GV worked, as well as profile update. Looks like the next update to Leedroid is slated to have these options.
Keeping my eye on that linked thread, though. I themed GV would be sweet. Thanx buddy.
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Ah lovely..So you're on the right track. That's brilliant, I'm not massively up to speed with US carriers and their requirements..
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Ah lovely..So you're on the right track. That's brilliant, I'm not massively up to speed with US carriers and their requirements..
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One last question, unrelated, is TWRP currently able to do nandroids? I've read mixed things regarding the encrypted data partition on the 10.
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One last question, unrelated, is TWRP currently able to do nandroids? I've read mixed things regarding the encrypted data partition on the 10.
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Mate I'm really not sure. Their thread would be the best place I've never done one. Never needed it.
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dladz said:
Mate I'm really not sure. Their thread would be the best place I've never done one. Never needed it.
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Not a problem. Just figured I would ask.
So why not use hangout for SMS and call that'll do exactly what u want it makes multi device all syncs I quite using GV app all threw hangouts now from my GV # I know what u mean by easy have all on one I do exact same just skip GV app I do believe VM go threw hangouts aswell idk that part I don't use call often
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One last question, unrelated, is TWRP currently able to do nandroids? I've read mixed things regarding the encrypted data partition on the 10.
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Yes it is.
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This is a known issue per Google. Thread on their product forum here https://productforums.google.com/for...A/tMN4y-GZAAAJ A huge thank you to uicnren for finding it!
I can't seem to find other reported instances of this when web browsing so thought I'd try here.
For the past week or so, anytime I make a phonecall there is no sound to indicate the phone is actually ringing. It's just silent until someone picks up, I get voicemail, etc.
Conversely every single time someone calls me I'm having to press option 1 to talk to them instead of just answering normally. (this part is a user option I've since disabled).
Not sure if I did something to settings, if this a bug, etc. It's driving me nuts though so any suggestions would be appreciated. I have not tried a factory reset yet because if I can about the hassle I'd like to.
Currently running 8.1 March update, on the non Verizon version. Bootloader is locked, not rooted.
Should also add that I use Google Voice, so maybe the issue is on that end.
Thanks in advance!
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paxderomano said:
I can't seem to find other reported instances of this when web browsing so thought I'd try here.
For the past week or so, anytime I make a phonecall there is no sound to indicate the phone is actually ringing. It's just silent until someone picks up, I get voicemail, etc.
Conversely every single time someone calls me I'm having to press option 1 to talk to them instead of just answering normally.
Not sure if I did something to settings, if this a bug, etc. It's driving me nuts though so any suggestions would be appreciated. I have not tried a factory reset yet because if I can about the hassle I'd like to.
Currently running 8.1 March update, on the non Verizon version. Bootloader is locked, not rooted.
Thanks in advance!
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I would first try clearing the google phone dialer app cache and data, reboot, and see it helps. If not, then I would uninstall it, reboot, then dl it again from the play store :good:
Or, side load the April OTA update
paxderomano said:
I can't seem to find other reported instances of this when web browsing so thought I'd try here.
For the past week or so, anytime I make a phonecall there is no sound to indicate the phone is actually ringing. It's just silent until someone picks up, I get voicemail, etc.
Conversely every single time someone calls me I'm having to press option 1 to talk to them instead of just answering normally.
Not sure if I did something to settings, if this a bug, etc. It's driving me nuts though so any suggestions would be appreciated. I have not tried a factory reset yet because if I can about the hassle I'd like to.
Currently running 8.1 March update, on the non Verizon version. Bootloader is locked, not rooted.
Thanks in advance!
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Do you use Google Voice at all?
Badger50 said:
I would first try clearing the google phone dialer app cache and data, reboot, and see it helps. If not, then I would uninstall it, reboot, then dl it again from the play store :good:
Or, side load the April OTA update
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I'm going to try the April update, the rest didn't work.
igknight said:
Do you use Google Voice at all?
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Yes I do use google voice. I hadn't even thought of that. COuld definitely ber a google voice issue.
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Yes I do use google voice. I hadn't even thought of that. COuld definitely ber a google voice issue.
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The pressing 1 to answer was what made me think of that. I know there is an option to enable/disable that. Not sure about the no ringing issue, however.
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The pressing 1 to answer was what made me think of that. I know there is an option to enable/disable that. Not sure about the no ringing issue, however.
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I just looked through the Gvoice settings and didn't find anything (that I could tell) that does that. But thanks for the suggestion!
I think it is the Screen Calls option, under the Calls settings in the web interface. Don't quote me on that.
I have the same problem regarding not hearing the ringing sound when making a call. I also use Google Voice. I have not experienced the press option 1 to answer problem.
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I have the same problem regarding not hearing the ringing sound when making a call. I also use Google Voice. I have not experienced the press option 1 to answer problem.
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Okay so I was able to get rid of that (it's the option that asks if you want to hear the name of the caller, definitely doesn't work like I thought it would).
Loaded the April update and still have the issue with outgoing calls.
"Loaded the April update and still have the issue with outgoing calls. "
Same here. It stated happening after installing google voice and uninstalling it.
paxderomano said:
I can't seem to find other reported instances of this when web browsing so thought I'd try here.
For the past week or so, anytime I make a phonecall there is no sound to indicate the phone is actually ringing. It's just silent until someone picks up, I get voicemail, etc.
Conversely every single time someone calls me I'm having to press option 1 to talk to them instead of just answering normally. (this part is a user option I've since disabled).
Not sure if I did something to settings, if this a bug, etc. It's driving me nuts though so any suggestions would be appreciated. I have not tried a factory reset yet because if I can about the hassle I'd like to.
Currently running 8.1 March update, on the non Verizon version. Bootloader is locked, not rooted.
Should also add that I use Google Voice, so maybe the issue is on that end.
Thanks in advance!
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Press 1 to talk? What do you mean?
paxderomano said:
I can't seem to find other reported instances of this when web browsing so thought I'd try here.
For the past week or so, anytime I make a phonecall there is no sound to indicate the phone is actually ringing. It's just silent until someone picks up, I get voicemail, etc.
Conversely every single time someone calls me I'm having to press option 1 to talk to them instead of just answering normally. (this part is a user option I've since disabled).
Not sure if I did something to settings, if this a bug, etc. It's driving me nuts though so any suggestions would be appreciated. I have not tried a factory reset yet because if I can about the hassle I'd like to.
Currently running 8.1 March update, on the non Verizon version. Bootloader is locked, not rooted.
Should also add that I use Google Voice, so maybe the issue is on that end.
Thanks in advance!
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maybe? https://productforums.google.com/forum/#!msg/voice/48CgSY067GA/tMN4y-GZAAAJ
uicnren said:
maybe? https://productforums.google.com/forum/#!msg/voice/48CgSY067GA/tMN4y-GZAAAJ
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Yes, that is it exactly! For whatever reason, I was having zero luck finding anything about it on the product pages. Thank you, I'm glad that it's a known issue and not just me.
uicnren said:
maybe? https://productforums.google.com/forum/#!msg/voice/48CgSY067GA/tMN4y-GZAAAJ
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pcloadletter1 said:
"Loaded the April update and still have the issue with outgoing calls. "
Same here. It stated happening after installing google voice and uninstalling it.
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pcloadletter, this is apparently a known issue. thread on google product page above. Thanks again uicnren!