Everyone,
Werner Ruotsalainen from Smartphone & PocketPC Magazine has agreed to do a full story on our current issues with Microsoft on their website (http://www.pocketpcmag.com)
He will also include a link to our petition against Microsoft so people that agree can help support us! (http://www.petitiononline.com/xdadevs/petition.html)
See below for details...
Comment from: Jason Wright [Visitor]
Dear Mr. Ruotsalainen,
My name is Jason Wright (better known as XDA-DEV handle: Jwrightmcps). I am contacting you today in regards to the latest issue xda-developers is having with Microsoft, which you may already be aware of.
The short of it is that MS wants XDA-Dev to remove all ROMs that contain any of their software (which means all of them, including OEM ones).
As many of us know XDA-Developers has been a great resource to the Pocket PC community years and what has always made it so, was our extensive collection of ROMs, updates and free support.
I myself have created many of these ROMs and updates for many of the devices and must say it breaks my heart that MS would be so un-thoughtful of the PPC community and harsh. We (the developers) have been picking-up where the OEMs have left off for years. If users didn’t have us as a resource the devices would not be as popular today as they are!
We (the members) have started a petition to stop MS from forcing us to delete all our work, but still need many more signatures before they will even think of re-considering. This is what I am hoping you may be able to help us with, as you have a much larger audience than we do.
Could you maybe post something about it with a link to the on-line petition, so people that agree could show their support and help us keep our great community alive?
I have included some links to the story if you would like to review it, also the link to our petition. You may also contact me directly via e-mail: xxxxxxx if you have any questions or comments.
Story:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/announcement.php?f=281
Petition:
http://www.petitiononline.com/xdadevs/petition.html
Thank you for your help.
Sincerely yours,
Jason Wright
(aka Jwrightmcps)
02/17/07 @ 02:40
Comment from: Werner Ruotsalainen [Member]
Sure I will! I've been having the flu the last few days, this is why I've stopped publishing stries or actively participating in discussions; I'll make a full story of all this, hopefully, tomorrow.
02/17/07 @ 02:45
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Source here:
http://www.pocketpcmag.com/blogs/in...the_now_gps_enabled_htc&tb=1&pb=1&disp=single
(look under: "Comments, Trackbacks, Pingbacks")
Keep us alive!
-Jwrightmcps
P.S. Also a "BIG" thanks to midget_1990 for starting the petition! And thanks to Werner Ruotsalainen for picking-up the story for us!
thanks to you and to Smartphone & PocketPC Mag!
This is very good. Hope our plea would be heard by MS through this magazine. Thanks Jwright and midget to making this possible
Great stuff guys!!! Thanks for your hard work as always
i hope more members will participate and give support !
I have written to two UK based Magazines...
www.pcmag.co.uk and www.pcpro.co.uk to ask for their support too, will let you know if I hear anything.
Keep fighting guys!!!
Story is out!
Guys here is the story from Smartphone & PocketPC Magazine...
See:
http://www.pocketpcmag.com/blogs/index.php?blog=3&p=1712&more=1&c=1&tb=1&pb=1#more1712
Take care,
-Jwrightmcps
P.S. We still need more support everyone!
I just got a reply from PC Pro magazine in UK...
Hi Simon – thanks for this. While I can’t promise any great prominence on the site or in the mag, we’re going to put something in our forums about it to try and drum up some support that way, and I’ve also flagged it to our mobile and wireless columnist.
All the best
Tim Danton
Editor, PC Pro
Will keep you posted with any further developments.
Great Job Guys !!!
at least a great start.
I recently tried the Graphic ly comic reader app in the Windows Phone Marketplace. Hoping to find a comic reader as good as droid comic viewer I found myself very very disappointed. The controls are shoddy, pinch to zoom is flakey and you have to zoom all the way out to turn the page. This is a far cry from the original video that was shown to consumers.
I understand that newly released products are no always perfect so I figured I would share my concerns with the developer. Their response was shocking and disappointing.
We would like to improve our WP7 app much more in the future, but I
will be straight with you: due to the low sales of the windows 7
phones we have put the improvement of the app lower on our priority
list than the continual improvement of our other apps.
In the meantime: please check out our adobe air application and our
new web application at:*http://graphicly.com/
Any comics that you buy in any of our applications can be read on any
of our other applications. *Your graphicly login should work on any of
them.
Thanks
-******
graphicly
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Now I know business is business but to release a bad product in the first place is unacceptable especially when the app merely needs some tuning. Due to the lack of planned future support I can only suggest that you guys stay away. Here is hoping that robot comics releases one on WinPho 7.
That is such a load of happy horse****. There are many apps where the developers are frequently updating and providing excellent communications between themselves and the users.
When WP7 takes off - and it will - I hope that many others are aware of the developer's attitude and shut them out. Let the money go to another comic app.
I was very dissapointed with the graphic.ly app, especially compared to what we've seen before. This attitude isn't going to get them any customers. If they're not going to put any effort in the phone app, I don't see any point in buying comics from them or getting their adobe air app.
Shame, i was hovering over it recently....
Thanks for the heads up. I like to stay away from those types of attitudes of devs and updates/support. "EA ruined a good brand after Westwood"
If it's not important enough for them, guess it's not important enough for me to use.
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I recently tried the Graphic ly comic reader app in the Windows Phone Marketplace. Hoping to find a comic reader as good as droid comic viewer I found myself very very disappointed. The controls are shoddy, pinch to zoom is flakey and you have to zoom all the way out to turn the page. This is a far cry from the original video that was shown to consumers.
I understand that newly released products are no always perfect so I figured I would share my concerns with the developer. Their response was shocking and disappointing.
Now I know business is business but to release a bad product in the first place is unacceptable especially when the app merely needs some tuning. Due to the lack of planned future support I can only suggest that you guys stay away. Here is hoping that robot comics releases one on WinPho 7.
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That's depressing. Low WP7 sales volume not good. Hopefully this app dev is just a WP7 hater.
Considering that, at least in the US, folk generally wait until their account is due for a subsidized upgrade before getting a new phone (mine just happened to drop in late November ), it makes sense that sales for WP7 haven't exploded yet. I could see holding off on making an app until WP7 grows in market share, but to release a shoddy app, charge for it, and then not support it just because it's not a cash cow yet is simply horrid customer relations. Seeing as the potential dollar is apparently all that matters to these jokers, I'll be sure and speak with my wallet, and mark this one off of the potential to-buy list.
Hilarious. TBQH.
SWYPED from my SUPASONIC
Due to the low sales of Windows Phone 7 ???
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How would they know this when no one else seems to have this info yet? Perhaps they are basing it on the low sales of their crappy app?
iirc i read some developers are complaining because they have no way to know how much they are selling, and microsoft will start paying in february... so how does this guy know that they are not doing ok?
i call bul****
installed it just to rate it poorly and uninstall it. If you are not going to support your work then don't release it in the marketplace.
OP, I would forward that email to MS support so they know the dev isn't willing to support their app.
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installed it just to rate it poorly and uninstall it. If you are not going to support your work then don't release it in the marketplace.
OP, I would forward that email to MS support so they know the dev isn't willing to support their app.
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I concur. That's a damn good idea.
WhyBe said:
How would they know this when no one else seems to have this info yet? Perhaps they are basing it on the low sales of their crappy app?
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Exactly what I was going to post.
Lol.
Sent from my SGH-T959 using XDA App
On a more positive note, I have contacted Robot Comics, the developer of Droid comic viewer from android. I used thier app right before I went to WP7 and it was very intuitive and easy to use in portrait and landscape. It also supported locally added comics.
After emailing I recieved some very good news.
Thanks Jose! Good news: a WP7 version is in our roadmap.
Best,
--
ROBOT COMICS
Comics for Android, iPhone/iPod touch, iPad, Kindle & more
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I am not trying to come across as anyone of importance but I love WP7 and would personally like to see it succeed so I figured the best I can do is let the developers know that they have a potential customer. Also does anyone know how I can get in contact with MS support?
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On a more positive note, I have contacted Robot Comics, the developer of Droid comic viewer from android. I used thier app right before I went to WP7 and it was very intuitive and easy to use in portrait and landscape. It also supported locally added comics.
After emailing I recieved some very good news.
I am not trying to come across as anyone of importance but I love WP7 and would personally like to see it succeed so I figured the best I can do is let the developers know that they have a potential customer. Also does anyone know how I can get in contact with MS support?
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http://social.answers.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/windowsphone7/threads
Alex
Sorry about that message from Graphicly - it was wrong.
Hi,
Im Micah, CEO of Graphicly. I am unsure of who would provide you that message, that we are not supporting the Win7 Phone application, but it is wrong.
We continue to develop and maintain the applications that our community desire.
The WP7 app that we put out was our v1. We are working to improve the reading experience and other aspects of the application, as we know its it not perfect yet.
Of the applications we have, our Adobe AIR application has been around the longest and has the most development hours into it.
As the WP7 phone continues to grow, we will continue to develop against it.
If you have any questions, or want to discuss this further, I can be reached directly at 720-248-8499 or via email at [email protected] (GTALK too).
Again, I apologize for the confusion, I will make sure that everyone on the Graphicly team understands our product roadmap.
micah
micahb said:
Hi,
Im Micah, CEO of Graphicly. I am unsure of who would provide you that message, that we are not supporting the Win7 Phone application, but it is wrong.
We continue to develop and maintain the applications that our community desire.
The WP7 app that we put out was our v1. We are working to improve the reading experience and other aspects of the application, as we know its it not perfect yet.
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Hopefully someone from XDA can validate, but if this is indeed true I thank you for clearing things up Its nice to see brands out there connecting with their customer and stepping up to the bat like this.
Hopefully we'll see the app improved! You could always open it up on CodePlex and let XDA hackers have at it!
It is indeed me - How would you like to verify it? I can give you my mom's phone number... How about this - we have promo codes enabled in the AIR app. Use "techcrunch" (no quotes) and get a free comic. We used it for an old techcrunch article, and I think its still alive. Then when you use the WP7 phone, it will be in there, and you can give me solid feedback on the mistakes we made.
Tell me more about CodePlex. I would be happy to let the community at it. We are doing something similar with our Win7 app. Building out APIs that are secure and can be built on is a personal passion of mine.
micah
micahb said:
Hi,
Im Micah, CEO of Graphicly. I am unsure of who would provide you that message, that we are not supporting the Win7 Phone application, but it is wrong.
We continue to develop and maintain the applications that our community desire.
The WP7 app that we put out was our v1. We are working to improve the reading experience and other aspects of the application, as we know its it not perfect yet.
Of the applications we have, our Adobe AIR application has been around the longest and has the most development hours into it.
As the WP7 phone continues to grow, we will continue to develop against it.
If you have any questions, or want to discuss this further, I can be reached directly at 720-248-8499 or via email at [email protected] (GTALK too).
Again, I apologize for the confusion, I will make sure that everyone on the Graphicly team understands our product roadmap.
micah
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I did not want to post the name but originally I wrote the email in reply to the email I received about you guys releasing a Google web app to this emai "[email protected]"
I received a reply back from a Audrey Zarr stating what I posted. I sent her a polite email expressing my dismay with that type of business attitude and never got a reply back. I certainly wasn't trying to slander your company but knew it would be best to share this info on the web.
I understand that this is a v1 app and I would have been perfectly happy with a "we are working to improve this app" type of answer. Instead I was given the previously posted information. Currently your app is sitting at 1 star, I would hope you guys would want to improve that. Best of luck on your next release.
yeah... [email protected] is the reply email on our newsletter. Audrey is one of our engineers, and is tasked with answering questions about bugs, issues, feature requests, etc.
Your question is quite valid, and in some ways, her response (we are a small company, and we have to focus on the products our community want) is correct. Except the part about us abandoning development on the WP7 app.
A couple of other points (really just FYI). The video from the MIX conference was a proof of concept. We were asked to show off what Deep Zoom would look like in our reader, and so we did. As the months passed and the WP7 software progressed, it became clear that we wouldnt be able to have deep zoom on the finished app.
Other issues: The dev phone we had was a samsung, which is not even one of the release phones. It made things like having pinch/zoom work properly really tough.
So, do we want to make the app better? Of course we do. We want all of our apps to be solid and work at a high level. I believe that the WP7 platform has potential.
micahb said:
yeah... [email protected] is the reply email on our newsletter. Audrey is one of our engineers, and is tasked with answering questions about bugs, issues, feature requests, etc.
Your question is quite valid, and in some ways, her response (we are a small company, and we have to focus on the products our community want) is correct. Except the part about us abandoning development on the WP7 app.
A couple of other points (really just FYI). The video from the MIX conference was a proof of concept. We were asked to show off what Deep Zoom would look like in our reader, and so we did. As the months passed and the WP7 software progressed, it became clear that we wouldnt be able to have deep zoom on the finished app.
Other issues: The dev phone we had was a samsung, which is not even one of the release phones. It made things like having pinch/zoom work properly really tough.
So, do we want to make the app better? Of course we do. We want all of our apps to be solid and work at a high level. I believe that the WP7 platform has potential.
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I understand that there were time constraints but phone operating systems as of recent seems to lean on their marketplace for success. A bunch of half baked apps won't appeal to anyone.(see palm) That was my main reason for reaching out. I also understand focusing on what the market wants, Microsoft has deep pockets and this OS will eventually be pretty successful. I will spend my money and time on apps that were well made and supported from the get go. As a vendor of comics I am sure your business relies on repeat business.
Hi all, with the current lack of global leaderboards, or any specific WP7 Gaming community (that I've found) I've set up WP7 Gamers.
At present, we're on Facebook and twitter (search out WP7 Gamers). A fully fledged website may follow later should interest deem it worthwhile. Also as this is done in my spare time (which I lack enough of!) - if anyone is interested in becoming an admin/mod/poster - please feel free to drop me a message!
Not wanting to upset the mod's on here, this is not run for profit! Just couldn't find what I was looking for! so set out to make it myself. Also for the dev's out there wanting to promote their titles, please feel free to send any information/screenshots/video's and I'll make sure they are shared
Hope this is ok?
gr8 idea dude
Hey sHAYM4N I'm trying to message you but it's not letting me, can you send me one that I can reply to? Thx man.
If you want, I could lend you my website.
It was supposed to be a site dedicated to game news/reviews for WP7 that I started as a school project, but I couldn't find the time to continue it. If you and a small group wanted to take charge more or less, I would give you guys all the info needed to moderate the forums, and if you wanted to, you could even post news and get the front end going again - assuming people posting news were literate.
Let me know.
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If you want, I could lend you my website.
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Cheers for that, but I may have to look at designing from scratch for what I have in mind.
I don't really want this to be another new/reviews website if it goes that way. I want to try and create something that I see as an extension to XBox Live. Something different...
Having a quick search around it appears Microsoft don't have an open API for XBox which is a real shame tbh, because there are a lot of things that could be done further which I don't think are yet being taken advantage of.
In a perfect scenario I would like to see members register for the website using their gamertag, from there they could access leaderboards, compare gamerscores, compete in challenges, whilst also being an active social forum for indie developers.
I'd also be looking for the site to be run by 5-10 people - preferably from different timezones!
If the idea took off and interest grew, challenges could turn into competitions, advertising into supporting the site etc...
When I get chance I'll mock up some designs. I'm more of a designer than a developer - so if anyone has got any advice, or want's to get on board so to speak - feel free to let me know!
For the time being there will be weekly challenges on the Facebook Page. Get the highest score by the closing time, and your gamertag/pic will be crowned on the Profile Pic.
I'll also be posting information about Indie Games, so if you want your game featured please let me know! They won't be reviewed so to speak, just information/screenshots. The idea is to provide the information, and let the community review the game.
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Hey sHAYM4N I'm trying to message you but it's not letting me, can you send me one that I can reply to? Thx man.
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Have dropped you a PM If it's not working feel free to drop me a message on Facebook or Twitter
Be sure to check it out if you want to get involved http://www.facebook.com/wp7gamers
Whoa that's weird, sHAYM4N.
I messaged you back the day you wrote me, was getting heartbroken that you hadn't written back
Can you PM me an email and I'll email you instead?
Hi guys and gals,
I'm opening a new youtube channel dedicated to all of you gamers out there, I hope it'll help you become more familiar in the YT community, the whole idea is to feature gameplays\commentaries by gamers.
I got the idea after years of watching famous youtubers like wingsofredemption, woody'sgamertag and such, and wanting to be a part of this amazing community, then I figured there are many people like me who want in on this too but have no time to manage a YouTube channel, commentate, upload and such, so I came up with this idea.
the gameplays submitted can include commentaries or not, if no commentary is added to the gameplay I will commentate and talk about the gameplay itself and about other stuff too.
I think allot of gamers out there want their gameplays to reach a broader audience and this is the sole purpose of this channel.
Also I will post as many commentaries as I can, but again, the purpose is to bring you gamers out there to the eyes of the whole gaming community.
the channel is in its diapers right now, and I am gathering gamers from all around the globe to populate it.
Submissions should be sent over cloud services like dropbox etc.. (if you have better ideas i'd be happy to learn about them).
So, this whole thing depends on all of you gamers out there, and is FOR you
I usually play cod:black ops 2 and most of my videos will most likely be of blops 2 but you may suggest any game you like.
So as the usual YouTuber closing words go - Like, Share and Subscribe!
http://www.youtube.com/user/OcnGameTeam
This reminds me of all the user ads in the comment section
FrostyF7 said:
This reminds me of all the user ads in the comment section
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I guess you're right.. but I tried my best not to make it look like an ad, because it isn't one, my channel is intended to provide a place in which gamers can make the gaming community aware of their videos, gameplays, ideas, commentaries and what not. I see it as a great opportunity for every gamer out there. plus, it does not qualify as an ad as it has nothing to do with the making of money only pure 100% entertainment
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I guess you're right.. but I tried my best not to make it look like an ad, because it isn't one, my channel is intended to provide a place in which gamers can make the gaming community aware of their videos, gameplays, ideas, commentaries and what not. I see it as a great opportunity for every gamer out there. plus, it does not qualify as an ad as it has nothing to do with the making of money only pure 100% entertainment
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It's still an ad, because you're advertising for your gaming channel on YouTube. Why didn't you just add the link to your sig.? That would save space, unlike the way you did it.
Please continue discussion here. Thanks.