I was given a warning by a mod by my rom thread that download links werent even available since I was banned last time, and didnt even planning to edit rom thread to put up the links. I lol'd cmon man. your to generous in giving warning without testing the link if it was working. Ha ha ha. How can it have warez when rom isnt available for download.
Whos the ignorant now.
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I was given a warning by a mod by my rom thread that download links werent even available since I was banned last time, and didnt even planning to edit rom thread to put up the links. I lol'd cmon man. your to generous in giving warning without testing the link if it was working. Ha ha ha. How can it have warez when rom isnt available for download.
Whos the ignorant now.
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Wouldn't this have been better suited for a private message to the mod instead of airing your dirty laundry in public?
einstein.frat said:
I was given a warning by a mod by my rom thread that download links werent even available since I was banned last time, and didnt even planning to edit rom thread to put up the links. I lol'd cmon man. your to generous in giving warning without testing the link if it was working. Ha ha ha. How can it have warez when rom isnt available for download.
Whos the ignorant now.
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you should be banned. I'm fed up with your multiple accounts
Guess who speaks?
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Wouldn't this have been better suited for a private message to the mod instead of airing your dirty laundry in public?
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nothing more to say. I'm tired of all those off topic and egocentric threads around. get you all a facebook account and tell it people who don't bother
Just placing the links was enough for a warning!
You are pushing your luck, what with your puppy accounts and then this thread, i would think carefully about your future conduct because if it does not change you will be taking another, longer, vacation!
THREAD CLOSED.
I have joined in December but do not post much. I need to wait five minutes before I can even edit my posts. I understand that the moderators had to go through a horrible time before issuing this kind of hard firewall but blocking edit seems kinda unnecessary because u can't effectively spam by editing a post repeatedly but u can spam a single poster effectively using PM. I think PM should be restricted to perhaps once per day for new members and edit allowed.
What do u people think? I do not have much to share so how can I make enough valid posts? Sometimes I make a careless mistake in a post and have to wait five minutes to let everybody see my mistake.
So, should I just start spamming threads?
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I have joined in December but do not post much. I need to wait five minutes before I can even edit my posts. I understand that the moderators had to go through a horrible time before issuing this kind of hard firewall but blocking edit seems kinda unnecessary because u can't effectively spam by editing a post repeatedly but u can spam a single poster effectively using PM. I think PM should be restricted to perhaps once per day for new members and edit allowed.
What do u people think? I do not have much to share so how can I make enough valid posts? Sometimes I make a careless mistake in a post and have to wait five minutes to let everybody see my mistake.
So, should I just start spamming threads?
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The edit restrictions stop at your 30th post when you go from Junior Member to Member.
PM's aren't really an issue, but spam definitely is.
You can post in your device's General, Q&A, Accessories, and Themes and Apps forums, surely you can find something to share if you desire it strongly enough to open a new thread about it?
I would advise using Advanced edit mode and the Preview button.
I know you were joking, but I would advise against spamming threads or else you may find your posts deleted and a PM from a mod in your inbox.
If people want to contribute, they will find a way.
About spamming, you totally missed my point. I was not being serious, but I was not joking either. I was just pointing out that the very rule to prevent spam may encourage flood of useless (not technically spam) posts from new members just to raise post count. That would prevent them from being verified though.
Also, the official rules are clearly mentioned in proper place and I am not interested in challenging them if they are justified. I was asking for personal opinion of experienced people whether it really is necessary to block edit to prevent spam. I am not a moderator and have not managed spam in life and have little idea about the measures necessary to control them. This is no accusation thread just an opinion thread.
Edit: I am eager to contribute and will do so as soon as I find something I can contribute.
I think we users should have the right of getting at least a basic explanation. If you are eager to provide official response, kindly explain the reason. I have been in several forums with new user restrictions (including PM restrictions) but never this. Things obviously can be different here I do not know I just found this annoying and could not guess any necessity for it. That is why I posted. I will be more careful with errors while posting in future. Besides, people here seem to be tolerant to mistakes.
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About spamming, you totally missed my point. I was not being serious, but I was not joking either. I was just pointing out that the very rule to prevent spam may encourage flood of useless (not technically spam) posts from new members just to raise post count. That would prevent them from being verified though.
Also, the official rules are clearly mentioned in proper place and I am not interested in challenging them if they are justified. I was asking for personal opinion of experienced people whether it really is necessary to block edit to prevent spam. I am not a moderator and have not managed spam in life and have little idea about the measures necessary to control them. This is no accusation thread just an opinion thread.
Edit: I am eager to contribute and will do so as soon as I find something I can contribute.
I think we users should have the right of getting at least a basic explanation. If you are eager to provide official response, kindly explain the reason. I have been in several forums with new user restrictions (including PM restrictions) but never this. Things obviously can be different here I do not know I just found this annoying and could not guess any necessity for it. That is why I posted. I will be more careful with errors while posting in future. Besides, people here seem to be tolerant to mistakes.
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I may be wrong about this but I believe that VB considers editing a post to be the same as actually making a completely new post. If you see what I mean....
Therefore the time restriction between making individual posts also applies to editing posts.
So, a couple of people on IRC (myself included) noticed that we couldn't access the Paid Software board. Is there some sort of restriction on entering it?
+1
50+ posts and a years membership for creating a thread.
Sent From My Fingers To Your Face.....
Throwing the baby out with the bathwater...
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conantroutman said:
50+ posts and a years membership for creating a thread.
Sent From My Fingers To Your Face.....
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QUOTE: 50+ posts and a years membership for creating a thread.
I am not understanding what has happened with access to the Paid Software forum at all! I noticed yesterday that I had lost access to be able to read the Paid Software forum. I contacted a mod, thinking I had somehow gotten banned, even though I have never posted in that forum. I was told that too many users with less than 50 posts/1 year tenure were posting in that forum, so the access has been changed...
What am I missing here? Because other members have been posting in that forum when they shouldn't, I can no longer even read that forum? This makes ABSOLUTELY no sense to me! Can't users be restricted from posting in a forum if they don't meet the requirements? Because SOME members have been abusing that forum, ALL members with less than 50 posts and one year membership are now blocked from even READING that forum? (Or have to log out to do so).
I don't understand how this serves anybody...
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QUOTE: 50+ posts and a years membership for creating a thread.
I am not understanding what has happened with access to the Paid Software forum at all! I noticed yesterday that I had lost access to be able to read the Paid Software forum. I contacted a mod, thinking I had somehow gotten banned, even though I have never posted in that forum. I was told that too many users with less than 50 posts/1 year tenure were posting in that forum, so the access has been changed...
What am I missing here? Because other members have been posting in that forum when they shouldn't, I can no longer even read that forum? This makes ABSOLUTELY no sense to me! Can't users be restricted from posting in a forum if they don't meet the requirements? Because SOME members have been abusing that forum, ALL members with less than 50 posts and one year membership are now blocked from even READING that forum? (Or have to log out to do so).
I don't understand how this serves anybody...
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There was a change made to the Paid Apps forum yesterday to restrict people not meeting the defined requirements from creating new threads. People didn't read, and we got tired of constantly removing these threads.
However, nobody should be restricted from viewing the forum or replying to existing threads. I will follow up with the server admin to see what's going on with it.
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There was a change made to the Paid Apps forum yesterday to restrict people not meeting the defined requirements from creating new threads. People didn't read, and we got tired of constantly removing these threads.
However, nobody should be restricted from viewing the forum or replying to existing threads. I will follow up with the server admin to see what's going on with it.
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Way ahead of you....
Sent from my Xoom using xda premium
I was wondering why I couldn't view it
I just figured there had been a problem along the way somewhere.
NotATreoFan said:
There was a change made to the Paid Apps forum yesterday to restrict people not meeting the defined requirements from creating new threads. People didn't read, and we got tired of constantly removing these threads.
However, nobody should be restricted from viewing the forum or replying to existing threads. I will follow up with the server admin to see what's going on with it.
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Thanks for helping with this issue.
Whoops - that was my mistake. Accidentally restricted access to the entire forum instead of just for creating a thread. I've fixed it now, so you can now all view that forum. Please accept my apologies.
Please let me know if you still have any issue accessing that forum.
Thanks for fixing that. A quick logout and login and now I can view it again :thumbup:
Sent from my Paranoid S2...
Who's talking about me
Thanks for fixing this and sorry if I over-reacted a bit, but both 'official' responses I had seen regarding this seemed to indicate that read access HAD been removed (probably due to misunderstanding). :thumbup:
Hello fellow XDA-Users,
I have been a member of this forum for quite some time now, and currently spend my time in the Optimus 2X section.
People from there might recognize me from my guide on how to build cyanogenmod7 from source and some bits and pieces
from the O2X section.
Some of you might know, that LG delayed the update for this phone quite a bit, which brings me to the purpose of this
thread: The amount of spam and Off-Topic in the general section as well as the development section has blown up
insanely over the last 2-3 months, and this has caused a lot of tension between users and mods, among users and of course
users and devs. While, in case of the general section, this might be bearable, it is not for the dev section, since the real
devs can't work properly because all the useful information gets buried under the same questions and off-topic again and again.
Just recently, a mod was required to close a thread containing bleeding edge information and made it clear that he had no
intention of reopening it again.
I have spent a lot of time thinking about this, and I want to dump my thoughts for a solution in this thread. While
I don't know to which degree these can be implemented or if they might contradict the philosphy or user-rights of XDA,
I still want to post them. These ideas apply first and foremost to the dev section. I see the dev section as a read-only
section for anyone that doesn't have anything to contribute towards the development, no matter how long he has been
here or how many posts he already made. Therefore I propose the following mechanics to keep the dev sections clear of Spam.
Allow only recognized developers, contributors and the other verified ranks in the forums to start threads in the dev section.
This prevents off topic threads from being created in the first place. If someone new really wants to start a new thread because
he really has something useful to share, I imagine some sort of verification process where users can submit their threads and
moderators, or maybe even the parties allowed to post already, to review and approve the topics. This will create additional workload
on the moderators, but I believe it won't be that much more compared to the endless reports they are receiving right now. Also, allowing
a larger base of users (recognized contributors/developers) to approve the topics will reduce the workload even further.
To prevent the spamming of existing threads, apply the same strategy as mentioned above with the following changes:
For a specific threads, the thread starter (and possibly a list of users defined by the thread starter) can either approve single
posts or users in general to being able to post in the thread. The user, after being approved, will be able to post freely in the
thread, or maybe even in all threads by the approving thread starter.
I know these are very strict rules, but since they are only applied to the dev sections, I think they are worth considering, since it
will reduce all posts made in this section to those really dealing with dev stuff. Like I already mentioned, it may increase the workload
on whatever mods/users will have to approve. This gave life to my idea of expanding this userbase to the recognized developers/contributors
as well.
I see that my concept is anything but precisely laid out, but I think it represents a good base to create a system, that will make the
dev sections of this forum what they used to be: A place where developers can develop without having to read through pages of spam and
off topic and thus be more productive and less pissed off. The approval also puts another step into the process of thread/post creation
that might make users reconsider if they really want to post or perform a simple search first.
Thanks for your time!
Also, in order for this thread to be recognized, please give it a good rating. Thank you.
aMpeX
edit: Just to make myself clear again, this approach is far from perfect, but I believe with some input and discussion, we can make it so.
Please feel free to post your opinions, corrections or extensions to this idea.
I will try to collect some ideas from the discussion to summarize it here:
Inspired by anasdcool71's post:
Give OPs the opportunity to decide whether they want to moderate their thread, or accept any comment that is made during thread creation
by ticking a checkbox for example.
Hear, hear. I have said almost exactly the same thing myself before now and couldn't agree more with your thoughts. It's not an ideal solution, but maybe XDA need to take an uber-strict approach to stop this destruction by its own users.
this topic needs ofc a lot of discussion, expecially since i know neither about the capabilities of the code nor how the owners of XDA want to approach it.
I feel by starting this discussion we can iron out a system that works.
I feel that there is simply no other solution than being a little strict on the dev sections. Users still have enough room to post in the other sections, but in the dev sections, where all the magic happens, this is not helping at all, so I think it makes sense restricting these sections in that manner.
The 2 features are quite good, but still there are certain restrictions.
For the 1st point :-
You said that RCs, RDs and other verified ranks should be allowed to create a thread. Well, most RCs have been given the rank because of their polite and courteous nature throughout the site, and some of their work on guides, ROMs and kernels. RDs are kinda the same, just that their work is an expert one. So basically Senior Members or Members create threads for their ROMs and kernels in the dev section, and then if their work is good enough, they are appointed as RCs and RDs as per the requirement. So this feature cannot extend to only RCs and RDs as it may block the opportunities of other members to become one. Even if a Senior Member is allowed in this feature to create a thread, many good rom devs, who might be new to XDA, may feel the frustration to complete not 10, but 100 posts!
For the 2nd point :-
The OP of the thread might not know the user himself so he might not choose users correctly. Some users holding only the Junior Member or Member title might know a lot of info about that particular rom/kernel. Furthermore, this feature will really prove tiresome for the OP as there will be a lot of users waiting for his/her approval. And as far as the case for spam goes, the OP may inform the particular mod to remove the posts.
anasdcool71 said:
The 2 features are quite good, but still there are certain restrictions.
For the 1st point :-
You said that RCs, RDs and other verified ranks should be allowed to create a thread. Well, most RCs have been given the rank because of their polite and courteous nature throughout the site, and some of their work on guides, ROMs and kernels. RDs are kinda the same, just that their work is an expert one. So basically Senior Members or Members create threads for their ROMs and kernels in the dev section, and then if their work is good enough, they are appointed as RCs and RDs as per the requirement. So this feature cannot extend to only RCs and RDs as it may block the opportunities of other members to become one. Even if a Senior Member is allowed in this feature to create a thread, many good rom devs, who might be new to XDA, may feel the frustration to complete not 10, but 100 posts!
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I know this approach wasn't the best. My chain of thaught was simply to try to restrict the userbase that can start a thread. To enable non RDs and RCs to start threads, I included the idea of an approval by either MODs and/or RDs and RCs. After a user has been approved once, he retains the right to start threads and post in the dev section.
I guess my bigger picture is to build a welldefined group of users allowed to post in the dev section, and also easen the way for this group to include new members, since I believe creating a new verified group and manage applications is just too much work.
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For the 2nd point :-
The OP of the thread might not know the user himself so he might not choose users correctly. Some users holding only the Junior Member or Member title might know a lot of info about that particular rom/kernel. Furthermore, this feature will really prove tiresome for the OP as there will be a lot of users waiting for his/her approval.
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This is also a weak point of my proposition, my idea was to provide some sort of inbox where OPs can see the posts submitted and simply approve the ones he deems fit, thereby weeding out the useless information and SPAM. It is a lot of work ofc, but I, for one, would prefer a clean and moderated dev thread over one bloated with Spam.
Maybe one could let the OP decide which model he wants his thread to follow by, by simply ticking a checkbox during thread creation.
Interesting idea.
I believe I've brought up all of the above suggestions at some point or another (not dismissing or anything, just I have looked into this for a long period of time, several years now in fact!)
I'll try to summarise the benefits and disadvantages of each key suggestion:
1) Allow only "Recognized *" and above to make new threads in dev.
I'd love nothing more than this... The trouble is users wouldn't want it! They will complain if we implement this, since not every developer on XDA is an RD... Some may not have applied, some may have applied but not had it processed yet. Others may have applied and been accepted (but we only add the users to the RD group once per month to reduce time spent on it), and some may have been rejected for not meeting the criteria.
This would end up upsetting more people than it would benefit, causing more arguing and bickering from them
2) Restrict who can post in a thread.
This is what we already aim to do with the 10 post rule. The trouble is that if we raise it, it keeps out genuine contributors. If we lower it, we get crap through. Right now, we think 10 is about the optimum, but that's not to say we're not adverse to ever changing it if needed.
The issue with giving the OP control over who can post is that some people would abuse this. For example, I don't imagine many devs who would "approve" posts critical of their ROM, or giving negative feedback on it. Part of the way XDA works is it ensures that every thread is outwith the control of its owner, so feedback isn't being hidden or removed because it isn't agreed with by the OP of the thread. That's why XDA doesn't follow the trend of a few other sites to give thread owners moderator abilities in their own threads.
We've got a team of mods who are impartial and can deal with issues without considering if a post is "beneficial" to user perception of the developer or not (like a dev would do if he was approving posts).
We do constantly try to think of new ways to solve these problems, and you've given me a few new ones to think about
Thanks
maybe then we should focus on the part of my idea that easens the entry into the group of users that are allowed to posts, not necesarily tieing it to the RC RD status, but unblocking the restrictions individually and extending the committee to administer these admissions from MODs and Admins to RD/RCs.
This would require a one-time effort by new devs, submitting their new ROM/thread to the dev sections, and having it approved by aforementioned group.
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2) Restrict who can post in a thread.
This is what we already aim to do with the 10 post rule. The trouble is that if we raise it, it keeps out genuine contributors. If we lower it, we get crap through. Right now, we think 10 is about the optimum, but that's not to say we're not adverse to ever changing it if needed.
The issue with giving the OP control over who can post is that some people would abuse this. For example, I don't imagine many devs who would "approve" posts critical of their ROM, or giving negative feedback on it. Part of the way XDA works is it ensures that every thread is outwith the control of its owner, so feedback isn't being hidden or removed because it isn't agreed with by the OP of the thread. That's why XDA doesn't follow the trend of a few other sites to give thread owners moderator abilities in their own threads.
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I agree totally about the 10 post limit.. As i have seen many examples of the spam/useless post by newbies/noobs who post in dev section... As our samsung galaxy y duos dev section when created had not got this restriction on it (just an accidental miss i feel).. but its corrected now.. so i have seen how worse it may get if this limit is revoked.. and i have been thinking of an idea as many times i have come across new users complaining that they know about android stuff and they wanted to help dev in development and by the time they complete 10 useful post routine valuable time will be wasted etc... So i thought of this idea when i read the op's message in this thread...
How about providing OP a option to exclude a newbie member who has not made a single post yet to make posts in dev section..? So that if the dev feels/knows the user will be good for his thread and he can contribute to development?
and lets also put another rule to keep spammers away.. as there is a loop hole in my suggestion.. which is when a spammer may create 2 accounts and in one account he will obtain 10 posts and create a thread in dev section.. then spam the thread with another account by making him exception..
So we can add this option to OP of the thread only if the thread has been say one month / one week old... as this will make sure that the thread is not created for spamming and thus it also ensures actual development is going on in the thread and the dev is known.. this exclusion is only for that thread on dev sub forum.. i dont know this may be a too much workload on server..
I was suggesting this exclusion method because i have seen around 5-10 members who PM me whenever they have some issue with my kernel or any other rom related to my device for that matter... i am happy and i have no issues to help them at all.. i have also kindly suggested them to make 10 valuable/useful posts in Q & A section and post in my threads instead of M as it might help other users too who may have same issue/doubt.. but i really cant say it directly into their faces and they may not understand my point ... so i have been interacting with such users through PM and i feel they should have interacted more with forums instead of just one person.. and there might be many others who might have contacting through PM only..
So please consider this..
Also this really is a great suggestion too...
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@pulser_g2 - The if-else statement in your sig is really great. :good:
And I've come up with a request. I've seen that many new users don't actually know/get the reason behind the 10-post limit. I'm not talking anything particularly about spammers, but there are some good users who just don't know the reason. I've just seen so many posts in so many threads saying "this 10-post limit is so frustrating","i have to PM the dev","i can't even report a bug",etc. Not one or two or 10, but many posts like this. So my request was that they'd be directed to that thread "10-post count limit in development fora", after they register. I'm sure many of them will understand. After all, it isn't that hard to get to 10 posts.
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It's an eternal problem than,us, Admins,Mods and all Recognized Tribe against which we are constantly fighting.
In the RC'stribe, we try to think and are trying to find solutions that would enable to reduce the number of useless posts.
I says reduce, cause we can't delete all of these posts.
But the real problem, it's a mentality problem due to Internet.
Actually, with Internet, people can and wanting all, now and quickly. I'm writing a question, I want my answer now!
A large majority of users don't take the time for read and seek. They want everything quickly and now.
And against this fact, we cannot fight!!
For whoever mentioned it, the ten post message does link and explain why... But nobody reads it...
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For whoever mentioned it, the ten post message does link and explain why... But nobody reads it...
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Why ? I don't understand what you mean exactly
I have wrote a post on RC chat about this problem and send the link
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Why ? I don't understand what you mean exactly
I have wrote a post on RC chat about this problem and send the link
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i think he means the 10 post limit sticky thread is already linked and also its explained why its there but still no new user reads it..
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Why ? I don't understand what you mean exactly
I have wrote a post on RC chat about this problem and send the link
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I mean that someone mentioned perhaps making it clearer to users why they can't post etc...
I replied to say that the message already explains this and links them to a thread with information
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I mean that someone mentioned perhaps making it clearer to users why they can't post etc...
I replied to say that the message already explains this and links them to a thread with information
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Sorry @pulser_g2
But I understand what you mean
It's better clear. Thanks
As a new user, I'm glad I found this section and the main rules. Just one question; are we allowed to post referral links to other sites on here? Sorry, I just don't want to be doing anything that could get me into trouble. Thanks a bunch!
Depends...
Not the official word from higher ups, but imo it all depends on the context and motive of posting such links...
If its some referral to a warez site, or something else against the rules - then a strict "no"
If its something like the dropbox referral links, where you get more storage for the number of people you invite - then maybe yes, provided you don't post it in places where it doesn't belong
If by referral you mean those a.d.f.l.y links which place you through a barrage of ads to get to a download link - then no, as xda is not to be used as a means to earn money
As I said, depends...
"By the power vested in me, I now pronounce you, Man and Knife"