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Dear Developers, let's avoid making more Hubs.

Dear developers,
As we develop more and more apps, and as the Windows Phone marketplace hit 10,000 apps, I noticed an increasingly annoying trend: Abuse of panoramic hubs.
Yes, I understand that our latest greatest app may be our first important app, but as a user, the app is only one of my many tools in my toolbox, not the center of the universe.
And I understand that a lot of us want our app to be the hub above all other apps, however, let's face it - it's unlikely any third party hubs will be as important as Microsoft's hubs.
While the 6 major hubs in Windows Phone 7 presents some sort of extensibility, a lot of 3rd party hubs don't really do much except the function it is confined to.
A panoramic hub lets developers put different types of list controls in the same page, often for the purpose of showcasing the many depths of the app. However, some apps don't really have much depth, and the usage of panorama in this case feels like 40 pages for table of contents for a 20 page book.
If the app only displays one type of data, a pivot suits a lot better.
And panorama views usually come with a gigantic title, which takes up lots of precious screen space.
Sometimes I noticed that some developers will try to use a background in an app. However, if the app does not have a strong reason to have a background, e.g. dynamic content, I think it's a lot better to let users decide their background colors in their own theme settings. This can save us a lot of Photoshop time, and save users from a lot of text legibility problems.
Just something I'd like to share as both an app developer/designer and a user. Thanks for reading. Peace.

I agree with the fact that the panorama is overused where the pivot is in 99% of cases more appropriate.
I definitely don't agree with the background image thing. Two simple points: Brand Image and Individuality. From a developer standpoint you need something that sticks in users' brains - nothing does so more than product branding. And images are an integral part of that. Since a mobile device doesn't have room for giant logos, the best thing to do is move it to the background and let the text sit on top of it.
I agree that the developer should always offer a choice of background and ensure the text is fully legible in all - but Marketplace rules forbid text not to be legible anyway.
Second, for every application in the Marketplace there are 10 more identical in functionality. So why get the user to use your app over the other 10? Make it look better. And you can't make it look better when it's using the same colour scheme and layout.

pakkei said:
And panorama views usually come with a gigantic title, which takes up lots of precious screen space.
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Modifying panorama's header template u can do whatever you want with the title (even delete!). Also, most important feature of panorama control is a nice looking slightly scrolling background image (that, I believe so, MS borrowed from Android's home screen).

Panorama != Hub
There is currently no way for a third-party developer to create a hub. Just because an app has a panorama view does not make it a hub.
I do agree though, the panorama view is overused.

I'd be interested if you could give an example of an app over using it as I really enjoy it when used well.
Purely from a developers perspective, I'm slightly worried that I may fall in the category of overuse.

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I do agree though, the panorama view is overused.
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I disagree.
I think panorama apps are great. Instead of clicking and then having to go back you just swipe.
Best example for me was 1800pocketpc app which was a panorama/hub.
And then apps like facebook that are purely panorama are much easier to navigate cause you never need to reach for the back key

I love the panorama apps i have , its unique to our phones and what makes it great!

evolutionqy7 said:
I disagree.
I think panorama apps are great. Instead of clicking and then having to go back you just swipe.
Best example for me was 1800pocketpc app which was a panorama/hub.
And then apps like facebook that are purely panorama are much easier to navigate cause you never need to reach for the back key
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I mean that the Panorama is overused because the Pivot is a much neater way of displaying data imo. I think it separates it out nicely.(Pivot being the Outlook-style swiping to sections)
However, some apps do the panorama justice. Faebook, IMDb, etc. However 3rd party developers rarely use it right.
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Don't get me wrong - I love the Panorama view, but some [a lot] apps do misuse it.
I have seen plenty of apps which rather than having a "settings" button to open a new view will create their settings page (and about page) as part of the panorama. That is, IMO, not how you should utilize Panorama.
The same goes for apps where you may search for something to add to your "library", placing the search page on your panorama is wrong. It doesn't belong there.
A panorama should, again IMO, be used to display information that belongs together.
Example. You have a DVD collection app; The app is more than welcome to use a panorama as the main page, perhaps it can display "all", "new" and "favorites" on different pages of the panorama. That's all fine. However, adding more pages to display settings, about, search, changelogs etc just gives an awful UX. Add settings/about/changelog as a pivot on it's own page, accessible by a settings button. Add search as a button, either opening a completely new page or an popping up an overlay on the panorama.

Interesting point, and am inclined to agree Panarama views shouldn't be padded with search and settings screens. After all, doesn't the phone sport a physical search button that would be more consistent and allow you to combine your app settings within the phones' main settings for added convenience?
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A panorama should, again IMO, be used to display information that belongs together.
Example. You have a DVD collection app; The app is more than welcome to use a panorama as the main page, perhaps it can display "all", "new" and "favorites" on different pages of the panorama. That's all fine. However, adding more pages to display settings, about, search, changelogs etc just gives an awful UX. Add settings/about/changelog as a pivot on it's own page, accessible by a settings button. Add search as a button, either opening a completely new page or an popping up an overlay on the panorama.
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The above is actually incorrect. A pivot should be used when the data of all screens are based on the same underlying data source. Outlook is the perfecet example, as you have all, new, unread which is just filters or views based on the same source: your inbox. The above where you have DVDs should be a pivot as well, since all, new and favorite are based on the single source of your DVD collection.
This is actually where people are making common mistakes with the use of a Panorama control, when it should really be a pivot control. Most users really won't know the difference between the two controls, but developers should to keep the user experience consistent across applications.
The use of a Panorama for a main screen to offer different sections of you applications is a good idea. Be careful to not have too many though. Once you have more than 4-5 sections in a Panorama, the user has the ability to get lost. And remember unlike pivots, the header of each Panorama is seperate from the others (a pivot combines them giving a better hint of the other pages).
Some things to ponder would be in a multi-page settings setup should you use a pivot or a panorama? Since its really not based on data, it should be a Panorama, but a pivot might give a better user experience.

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The above is actually incorrect. A pivot should be used when the data of all screens are based on the same underlying data source. Outlook is the perfecet example, as you have all, new, unread which is just filters or views based on the same source: your inbox. The above where you have DVDs should be a pivot as well, since all, new and favorite are based on the single source of your DVD collection.
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I wouldn't say it's incorrect. A pivot may have been a better choice, but it was based on an existing app I have installed where the panorama view isn't completely wrong.
I also believe your argument falls when we step into movie details - this should clearly be displayed as a panorama even though it's based on the same data.
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Some things to ponder would be in a multi-page settings setup should you use a pivot or a panorama? Since its really not based on data, it should be a Panorama, but a pivot might give a better user experience.
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A settings page should, IMO, always be a pivot (if more than one screen is really necessary - often it is better to have a scrollable listview instead). That said, if you manage to keep your settings on a single page, using a panorama view would still work to display the about/support/etc screens.

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I wouldn't say it's incorrect. A pivot may have been a better choice, but it was based on an existing app I have installed where the panorama view isn't completely wrong.
I also believe your argument falls when we step into movie details - this should clearly be displayed as a panorama even though it's based on the same data.
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Here is a video from MS that clarifies this. Pivots should be used when displaying different views or filters or data. For the Movie details if you look at the "bad pano" example, around 11:00 it explains why you woulnd't want to do that. Just because another app is using it, doesn't mean you should.
http://channel9.msdn.com/blogs/jaime+rodriguez/windows-phone-design-days-pivot-and-pano

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Here is a video from MS that clarifies this. Pivots should be used when displaying different views or filters or data. For the Movie details if you look at the "bad pano" example, around 11:00 it explains why you woulnd't want to do that. Just because another app is using it, doesn't mean you should.
http://channel9.msdn.com/blogs/jaime+rodriguez/windows-phone-design-days-pivot-and-pano
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I pretty much agreed with you that it I presented a bad example. That said, it still works and was nowhere near as bad as many of the apps in the marketplace today.
As for movie details, let's just agree to disagree. Displaying movie details (as opposed to movie listings as discussed above) in a pivot is somewhat counter intuitive and gives a far worse UX than a panorama - I know, I've tried (and had it useability tested by the actual target audience).

[PHOTO APP]SKITCH+Edit Pictures and Scribble on screen like Galaxy Note style

Hey guys
Another app that i have found and i would like to share is Skitch. Its free on the market and its fun to use..And most of all its NOT on iOS. (eat that Apple).
Only reason why i am sharing this is i saw a thread were someone was asking for Galaxy Note style apps for our Galaxy S2. Well here is your answer my friend. Anyway read the description and please if you like feel free to download it.. Just please do not forget to press that Thanks button if you like what i have shared.
Annotate, edit and save your photos & scribbles… fast
Skitch, the popular desktop app has gone mobile. Annotate an image with arrows, shapes and text. Sketch something new and markup an existing photo, then save your creations to Evernote or share them with other applications.
Drawing attention to your images has never been easier. Here are some ways to use Skitch:
- When you’re at a conference, take a snapshot of the people you meet, annotate it with their names and save it into Evernote.
- Annotate any image, screenshot or photo saved in Evernote thanks to a streamlined Skitch/Evernote integration.
- Download a screenshot attached to email. Open it in Skitch and add your comments. Save to Evernote for later review.
- Take a snapshot of something awesome, resize it, draw an arrow, add a caption, then post the image on Twitter or Facebook.
- Grab a picture of a whiteboard in a meeting or lecture, add a comment and save to Evernote.
- Quickly sketch out a map, diagram or unicorn!
Powerful features to help you get even more out of Skitch:
- Zoom and crop images.
- Create smooth, lines and scribbles to explain an idea.
- Add text using a special high-contrast coloring scheme for readability.
- Markup text with the semi-opaque highlighter tool.
- Re-position and delete shapes, text and drawings at any time.
- Share your work with with any application that accepts images.
Skitch is fast and fun!
Enjoy..
Link:
https://market.android.com/details?id=com.evernote.skitch&hl=en
And to check on how the app works please look at the video link here to...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MKkgxmZl3Kk&feature=feedu
Ps:I am not gaining anything out of this, just sharing apps that i find fun and useful...(Just to make it clear)

Nice share dude, thats a good app...a quick play shows its got potential and its pretty easy to use
(will give thanks later, work pc doesnt show the button)

Darkside Agent said:
Nice share dude, thats a good app...a quick play shows its got potential and its pretty easy to use
(will give thanks later, work pc doesnt show the button)
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Thanks mate. Much appreciated.

Perhaps I am not getting this, but the Note has a stylus....a finger will never be able to create accurate handwriting on any screen, so how is this like the Note?

Thanks
Thanks for sharing
very great app

THUDUK said:
Perhaps I am not getting this, but the Note has a stylus....a finger will never be able to create accurate handwriting on any screen, so how is this like the Note?
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Good point but its the first steps in getting similar apps like the Note. and knowing the great devs on here probs they might get a stylus to make it work
You can only hope

So will the NOTE stylus work on our SGS2 screens?

[Q]App for class note-taking?

Is there an app that has thought of some way to take class notes on the note? It would have to be something like notability for the ipad which would automatically scroll to the right/down when you reach the margin. It would be amazing if this worked so well I wouldn't even need to bring a bookbag anymore.

If you mean with the s-pen you could try Papyrus. IT DOES NOT SCROLL AUTOMATNCALLY but is infinite in size. If you are going to type you could try Jota. It allows for big documents.
Btw if you zoom in to 250% with s-note the page will scroll when you hover the pen near the edge. Pages are however not infinite but you can add new ones easily.

riotburn said:
Is there an app that has thought of some way to take class notes on the note? It would have to be something like notability for the ipad which would automatically scroll to the right/down when you reach the margin. It would be amazing if this worked so well I wouldn't even need to bring a bookbag anymore.
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Lecture Notes from the play store
https://play.google.com/store/apps/...EsImNvbS5hY2Fkb2lkLmxlY3R1cmVub3Rlc3RyaWFsIl0.

Just tried both lecture notes and papyrus, the problem is they don't scroll when you type. I couldn't even figure out how to scroll in any direction if i was zoomed in. I think for these to be practical they have to have the box that notability has that scrolls for you.

riotburn said:
Just tried both lecture notes and papyrus, the problem is they don't scroll when you type. I couldn't even figure out how to scroll in any direction if i was zoomed in. I think for these to be practical they have to have the box that notability has that scrolls for you.
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I think that Classic Notes app will do the trick. I have tested it out and it does scroll automatically.

In lecture notes you need to settings / display to turn on the auto scroll. I've just started playing with it. I haven't figured out how to add a page yet.

Dmwitz said:
In lecture notes you need to settings / display to turn on the auto scroll. I've just started playing with it. I haven't figured out how to add a page yet.
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Thanks! I didn't even bother to check the settings. Theres options to turn on stylus use. The auto scroll didn't work for me. To add a page, when working on a page, hit menu and click notebook overview, then just hit +.

I've been playing around with lecturenotes and find its the best option once you get the settings right. I used it to take notes during a class today and it took practically no time to get used to it. Plus you can export to PDF.
I also played around with Freenote+, it uses the same idea as Notability for iPad where you have to write within a certain box and when you reach the end of the box it'll scroll automatically. While Notability does this well and Freenote+ its implemented poorly.

@Dmwitz: There are multiple ways to add a page in LectureNotes: You can append/insert pages using the menu items in the hand menu; you can enable the plus icon in the app's settings, clicking on it will append a page and bring you there; you can enable the page forward/backward icons or the arrow icon which are actually for scrolling but append new pages when needed. If you use the input zone (advisable for capacitive stylus), new pages are automatically added when needed, likewise when you use the auto-scroll feature.

Whats wrong with Snote ? I find it best for lecture notes

Laynee1 said:
Whats wrong with Snote ? I find it best for lecture notes
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Never tried it, how do you use it for lecture notes, pages are too small no? And another thing is the Smashing Pumpkins are the best.

riotburn said:
Never tried it, how do you use it for lecture notes, pages are too small no? And another thing is the Smashing Pumpkins are the best.
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HAhahah thanks for SP They rule... I mean , they used to rule, before Billy corgan decided to act like prick..
and for S note, i find it very good in taking notes.. I mean, i study electrical engineering, programming science, and i find object recognition and rest of functionality of S note good

Can anyone recomend a good note taking app that works with multj-screen?
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Laynee1 said:
HAhahah thanks for SP They rule... I mean , they used to rule, before Billy corgan decided to act like prick..
and for S note, i find it very good in taking notes.. I mean, i study electrical engineering, programming science, and i find object recognition and rest of functionality of S note good
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I don't like that snote has a fixed size page. I want to be able to get a 8.5X11 size so I could print the notes out. I'm doing engineering too and have formulas that go long so I dont want to have keep spreading them over multiple lines.

App to view/edit code

Looking for a good light app that can view code and colour text accordingly.

DroidEdit is what I've been using as of late. They offer both free and paid versions on the market.
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+1 DroidEdit
One of most well designed Syntax Highlight app I've used.

Cool exactly what I'm looking for.
Doesn't seen to be many options out there.

one better: AIDE

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one better: AIDE
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Looks great but that's only or java.
Looks like you gotta have the paid version of droid edit to view system files...

monkeying. around said:
Cool exactly what I'm looking for.
Doesn't seen to be many options out there.
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Nope, not many. Probably 'cause coding on a small screen seems a bit challenging.
On a tablet it would be easier. Plus, its nearly impossible to test/debug directly from the phone or tablet.
Coding is easier and more effective on a computer.
I just use DroidEdit for when I need to make quick changes to a web coding... when a client says I need this or that.
DroidEdit let me do it it quickly (and with an FTP mounted, I can make live changes)

What is the different between Everynote, S Note and Lecture Note?

Hello, I often hear that EveryNote is the best note taking app. What is the difference between it and S Note, Lecture Note?

S Note can only sync between Samsung devices, and the old&new versions aren't compatible with one another. Evernote files can be accessed on any device that supports Evernote. Never used Lecture Note, so can't speak for that.

There's a free trial of lecturenotes. It's best to try it and see for yourself since we all have different needs when it comes to software. Then you can compare the three yourself.
Since I find the cross platform treatment of hand written notes lacking in evernote I use lecturenotes and sync exported pdf files via dropsync to dropbox. Evernote is okay in my opinion but not as feature rich when it comes to taking hand written notes.
When it's all said and done, none of the three are perfect and I personally find that I wish for a feature or two from the others.
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ShadowLea said:
S Note can only sync between Samsung devices, and the old&new versions aren't compatible with one another. Evernote files can be accessed on any device that supports Evernote. Never used Lecture Note, so can't speak for that.
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The newer versions of s note can indeed sync with evernote. This is how I got one year of premium evernote services.

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The newer versions of s note can indeed sync with evernote. This is how I got one year of premium evernote services.
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Initially when I purchased the Note Pro the notes that I'd take in S-Note and sync with Evernote were practically useless to me on my Mac/PC. Has this changed? They'd be saved in a proprietary format or an image file that was too small physically to be useful to read on my high res screens. PDF export was an option but with the limited page size support in S-Note I found myself looking elsewhere in a hurry for a note taking tool that truly mimics a letter sized note pad.

I bought a program a while back that I can comment on. It's called Handrite note Notepad Pro. By NC Corp. Needed it before I owned a device with SNote built in. I used to use my finger..... But now with my pen, I like it even more. But I already bought it so I didn't have to decide if I wanted it over the other OP ideas and other suggestions from muzzy996. It syncs using Dropbox through an additional program that is called Open Sync and that is free. Works well. But the handwriting Pro is cool and features some neat options. Might not be everyone's cup of tea with how it replaces text as you write but most things are adjustable.

Microsoft’s Onenote beta is very good. Handwriting is good, syncs with PC, you can search handwritten notes on computer (but not on tablet).

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Initially when I purchased the Note Pro the notes that I'd take in S-Note and sync with Evernote were practically useless to me on my Mac/PC. Has this changed? They'd be saved in a proprietary format or an image file that was too small physically to be useful to read on my high res screens. PDF export was an option but with the limited page size support in S-Note I found myself looking elsewhere in a hurry for a note taking tool that truly mimics a letter sized note pad.
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I wasn't aware of the size issue. I had some old notes that transferred over and indeed they are not full size. I don't know if that's just for the screen, maybe they would print out on normal size paper? Sorry I couldn't be more helpful. ...

No problem. Yeah S-Note simply doesn't work for me in terms of page setup options. It's fine for simple note taking but sometimes I prefer being able to generate a set of notes with a specific page setup in mind such as a letter sized page in a particular orientation with a particular layout of lines/grids as a background.
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How is Google Keep compared with Everynote, S Note and Lecture Note?

Rather simplistic compared to the others. I haven't revisited it in months but as far as I know there's no active stylus support in Google keep.
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For me Everynote and Google keep are like a collection of sticky notes. Ln and Snote are more like a collection of notebooks with more pages and options to manage large notebooks. Those apps are for completely different use cases with Ln being focused on students and many notebooks.

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For me Everynote and Google keep are like a collection of sticky notes. Ln and Snote are more like a collection of notebooks with more pages and options to manage large notebooks. Those apps are for completely different use cases with Ln being focused on students and many notebooks.
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Indeed.
Lecturenotes has quite a bit of features though it doesn't always do a good job of providing them in a user friendly way. As an example, pen colors and line thicknesses can be shown in a toolbox on screen but for everything else one must drill down through menus. It would be nice if toolboxes were available for other functions as well in that software.
Its definitely more powerful than the others though even if there are limitations in some respects. An example of the power of lecturenotes is the ability to work on multiple layers (i think the limit is 3) which can be helpful when one is working with graphical elements vs writing/text. An example of limitations in Lecturenote is whereas in SNote when an image is pasted into a note it always remains as an editable image (you can click on it to move it and resize it), in lecturenotes that isn't necessarily the case. In lecturenotes if you want to change the size or location of a pasted image on your page you must select the image using the marquee tool and then expanding the image at that point comes with loss in clarity as it is scaled up. Overall the power of lecturenotes is great though.

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I wasn't aware of the size issue. I had some old notes that transferred over and indeed they are not full size. I don't know if that's just for the screen, maybe they would print out on normal size paper? Sorry I couldn't be more helpful. ...
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What is the page size issue in S-Note?

If you import s-note files into evernote they are physically smaller.. in other words you can't use the s-pen to edit in evernote because the size of the note is too small and does not take up the entire screen like in s-note.

It goes beyond that for me. If all one ever wants is to work within the confines of the Samsung Galaxy Note ecosystem everything is good when it comes to S-note. However, if the need is to take notes on predefined page sizes for printing there is no way to do so. All one has in terms of page types is landscape or portrait orientation with a variety of backgrounds and form types, there is no way to control paper size. These do not print well at US Letter or other page types. I bought this larger note because it's screen is closer in size to a real letter page and yet the applications baked in don't support that.
The is why I use lecturenotes. I have complete freedom to do custom sizes for printing.

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It goes beyond that for me. If all one ever wants is to work within the confines of the Samsung Galaxy Note ecosystem everything is good when it comes to S-note. However, if the need is to take notes on predefined page sizes for printing there is no way to do so. All one has in terms of page types is landscape or portrait orientation with a variety of backgrounds and form types, there is no way to control paper size. These do not print well at US Letter or other page types. I bought this larger note because it's screen is closer in size to a real letter page and yet the applications baked in don't support that.
The is why I use lecturenotes. I have complete freedom to do custom sizes for printing.
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Do you mean electronically speaking, the notes are fine. However, they do not print well on papers? How about saving/printing them in pdf format and then send the file to the printer? I use A4 size notes as notes for my work. I am considering to write notes electronically on the Note PRO 12.2. Of course, I do hope to be able to print it out like a A4 size note. Is this possible? If not, from your post, it seems that lecturenotes can do it.

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Do you mean electronically speaking, the notes are fine. However, they do not print well on papers? How about saving/printing them in pdf format and then send the file to the printer? I use A4 size notes as notes for my work. I am considering to write notes electronically on the Note PRO 12.2. Of course, I do hope to be able to print it out like a A4 size note. Is this possible? If not, from your post, it seems that lecturenotes can do it.
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On a standard yellow notepad in US Letter size there are 28 lines available to write on. In S-Note if one creates a notebook using the standard lined page in portrait orientation there are only 18 lines available. To fix this one has to avoid using lines completely by using a blank portrait template. Then what you do is go into the notebook, click the gear icon and change the background, click the upper left box for blank white page, then hit pattern, then pick the second from the right box on the top row.
Once this is all done you have a page that approximates a standard yellow pad.
EXCEPT if you print this thing, it doesn't fill the entire width of an A4 or Letter sheet. When printed to fit on letter, you lose 1.7 inches of width of the page. When printed to fit on A4 you lose 1 inch of width. Doesn't sound like much but on average you're losing 20% of available space on a page.
Its all a bit convoluted and honestly I rather not deal with the BS of it all and I opt to go to LectureNotes instead. With it, I'm able to set up all aspects of a notebook at the time of its creation. Additionally I can place items on different layers to move things around if I wish. The only thing I missin Lecturenotes is how S-Note handles images that are pasted in. In S-Note these pasted images remain as editable objects allowing you to move them and scale them about as you please. In LectureNotes you need to be careful of where you place images because they no longer are treated like smart objects.

Thanks. By losing certain inches of width of the page during printing, do you mean those parts are being cut off? Isn't is possible to scale down the entire page to make printing of everything possible?
If I just draw images, than there should not be a problem in LectureNotes? So, there is no perfect app. I don't want to choose an app, make a lot of things using it. Then, later find that there are some limitations and switch to another app while losing the stuffs I create using the first chosen app.

There DEFINITELY is no perfect app.
See the attachment below. Notice the white vertical strip. That white strip you'll never be able to write in . . . the darkened corners of the notepad image is the absolute corners on the tablet itself when you zoom/pan around in the notepad.
Edit: To clarify, the image attached is what a printed page would look like on US Letter when a page layout of portrait is selected in S-note and the user fills the entire page with notes (simulated by me drawing at the extreme corners). The print is maximized to the long side of the page.