do you really have to "FULLY CHARGE" electronic devices (tablets, phone, etc.) - Nexus 7 (2013) Q&A

do you really have to "FULLY CHARGE" electronic devices (tablets, phone, etc.)
do you really have to "FULLY CHARGE" electronic devices (tablets, phone, etc.) out of the box before first using? Just got a new nexus 7 and i want to know if i can use it before i charge it:fingers-crossed:

Have to? Not really. Recommended? Yes (you can use it while it's charging too).
~I retract my statement~

The simple answer is: no, you don't need to fully charge it out of the box.

TheAltruistic said:
Have to? Not really. Recommended? Yes (you can use it while it's charging too).
In general, it's a good idea to allow any device with a Lithium battery to fully charge (~95%) and discharge (~5%) at least once a month. Helps maintain a healthy battery. Think of it as exercise for the battery; the concept of use it or lose it with the capacity to hold charge for the battery.
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Thats just wrong. All that does is decrease the life of your battery since Lithium batteries only have a limited amount of charge cycles. (Usually under 1000). What you SHOULD do, is keep it OUT of that range. Try not to let it drop below 10% if you can. If you really want to learn about batteries and how they work, this is a great article.
http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/charging_lithium_ion_batteries
See these links if you have questions:
http://supportforums.blackberry.com.../Lithium-battery-myths-dispelled/td-p/1043579
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=518861
http://kipre.wordpress.com/2009/03/20/4-myth-and-facts-about-lithium-ion-polymer-batteries/
and numerous others.
TO OP: No.

aooga said:
Thats just wrong. All that does is decrease the life of your battery since Lithium batteries only have a limited amount of charge cycles. (Usually under 1000). What you SHOULD do, is keep it OUT of that range. Try not to let it drop below 10% if you can. If you really want to learn about batteries and how they work, this is a great article.
http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/charging_lithium_ion_batteries
See these links if you have questions:
http://supportforums.blackberry.com.../Lithium-battery-myths-dispelled/td-p/1043579
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=518861
http://kipre.wordpress.com/2009/03/20/4-myth-and-facts-about-lithium-ion-polymer-batteries/
and numerous others.
TO OP: No.
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Ah, my bad. I'll edit the initial post. I forgot how much exactly it was I figured about ~10% and ~90% is good if that sounds okay; I forgot the source but I did read it somewhere here on XDA.

TheAltruistic said:
Ah, my bad. I'll edit the initial post. I forgot how much exactly it was I figured about ~10% and ~90% is good if that sounds okay; I forgot the source but I did read it somewhere here on XDA.
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Well, the part I was referring to is still wrong. You don't have to do anything once a month. Or ever really. The only benefit is a properly software calibrated battery.
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[Q] Is USB tethering when it's fully charged bad?

Is it bad to USB tether when the battery is already at 100%?
Why would it be?
Via EVO on XDA app...
mylasthope said:
Is it bad to USB tether when the battery is already at 100%?
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if you mean is it bad to leave the phone charging via usb when it's already fully charged.....no.....it's not "bad" as in it won't hurt the phone.
consequently, you could condition the battery to not hold as much of a charge if you never fully deplete the battery's charge or always keep it plugged in. It's always good to run your battery out as much as you can, and then fully charge it as much as you can.
hope that answers your question
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Why would it be?
Via EVO on XDA app...
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lol....poeple on this forum are ruthless...funny though.
Wasn't being "ruthless"...just genuinely curious what he's thinking.
And you're not supposed to run these batteries dead to "condition" them. They don't have a charge memory.
Via EVO on XDA app...
awenthol said:
And you're not supposed to run these batteries dead to "condition" them. They don't have a charge memory.
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Back in the olden days not so long ago, the rechargeable batteries were made from
liuthium ion, and had what were often refereed to as "memory". So running them "flat",
then charging them, produced a longer lasting battery. Today however, they are
frequently made from nickel metal hydride, which does not have those "memory"
properties, that the lithium ion batteries possessed. It is worth noting tho that many
of the ROMs available - including HTC sense, have "training" algo's that attempt to manage
the phones running resources in such a way, as to make the batteries seem to last longer.
But really, they just try to minimize the draw on the battery.
--Chris
CTH-EVO said:
Back in the olden days not so long ago, the rechargeable batteries were made from
liuthium ion, and had what were often refereed to as "memory". So running them "flat",
then charging them, produced a longer lasting battery. Today however, they are
frequently made from nickel metal hydride, which does not have those "memory"
properties, that the lithium ion batteries possessed. It is worth noting tho that many
of the ROMs available - including HTC sense, have "training" algo's that attempt to manage
the phones running resources in such a way, as to make the batteries seem to last longer.
But really, they just try to minimize the draw on the battery.
--Chris
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Nononono.. You should really brush up on your battery history, lithium ion and lithium polymer niether have memory, ni cad, or nickel metal hydride do have memory. Our phones, all cell phone run either lipo or lithium ion, I think they are lipo, I know this because I run rc cars that have a 250 dollar esc that you don't want to burn up, so I know a bit about these batteries.. But you are right on the roms they are becoming a bit better on batteries, but if your over clocking don't count on to much, but you are also right you won't hurt these to leave them on the charger or to run till dead.
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CTH-EVO said:
Back in the olden days not so long ago, the rechargeable batteries were made from
liuthium ion, and had what were often refereed to as "memory". So running them "flat",
then charging them, produced a longer lasting battery. Today however, they are
frequently made from nickel metal hydride, which does not have those "memory"
properties, that the lithium ion batteries possessed. It is worth noting tho that many
of the ROMs available - including HTC sense, have "training" algo's that attempt to manage
the phones running resources in such a way, as to make the batteries seem to last longer.
But really, they just try to minimize the draw on the battery.
--Chris
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Replace "lithium ion" with "nickel-cadmium".
darkkterror said:
Replace "lithium ion" with "nickel-cadmium".
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LOL Right you are! Like I said "back in the olden days". That, and sleep deprivation (too many jobs, too little time). I'll refrain from getting too technical next time I've been up this long.
--Chriis
Lol I read soothing you said in another thread, you seemed really knowledge able, I was wondering why you said that wrong
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[Q] Does it harm the battery if i do this?

I always had this question in my head and i think its time to ask. All android phones i had does this and i wanna know if this does harm in somehow the battery.
When i plug the phone to the PC to transfer some files it recharges the battery too, sometimes depending how big are they, the phone stays connected for longer. I want to know if it harms the battery doing this small, medium charges while transfering files.
Doesn't harm the new batteries.
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Ok, thanks.
... what Flo95 said.
More specifically, lithium-ion batteries don't develop the 'charge memory' older battery technologies like NiCad do if not allowed to fully run down before a charge.
Loosely said:
... what Flo95 said.
More specifically, lithium-ion batteries don't develop the 'charge memory' older battery technologies like NiCad do if not allowed to fully run down before a charge.
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Can you please explain a little, I didn't really understand what you said here bro
Sorry about that.
DeepUnknown said:
Can you please explain a little, I didn't really understand what you said here bro
Sorry about that.
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Older batteries suffered from "memory effect", meaning that if you charged them before they were empty and until they were any less than full, soon enough their capacity would deteriorate.
New batteries don't have that problem. You can charge them any time you want for as long as you want. In fact, it's advisable to not let them discharge completely and charge them often.
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iridaki said:
Older batteries suffered from "memory effect", meaning that if you charged them before they were empty and until they were any less than full, soon enough their capacity would deteriorate.
New batteries don't have that problem. You can charge them any time you want for as long as you want. In fact, it's advisable to not let them discharge completely and charge them often.
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Thanks for explaining it for me
It seems a bit ironic, previously we had to be aware from charging at any time and it was stronly recommended to charge only when battery is completely dead.
While these days it's better if we not let the battery completely discharged

New to wireless charging

Hey people,
New to wireless charging here, my girlfriend just bought a wireless charger for my birthday. Just one question, when you are charging and you need to use the phone, should I pick it up or leave it there and try to use? I mean, if I keep picking it up to use, wouldn't the constant charging/stopping damage the battery? Please help me out!
Thank you!
jackhayden said:
Hey people,
New to wireless charging here, my girlfriend just bought a wireless charger for my birthday. Just one question, when you are charging and you need to use the phone, should I pick it up or leave it there and try to use? I mean, if I keep picking it up to use, wouldn't the constant charging/stopping damage the battery? Please help me out!
Thank you!
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No, it's fine. Pick it up as many times as you want. I have different wireless pads scattered throughout my house, office and car, that it will not "hurt" it.
It's probably fine. But if by constant you mean literally every 5 seconds then maybe not.
Also there's a xposed mod to disable the sound every time you put it on the pad if they annoy you too constantly.
BTW it'd be great if I had a techy girlfriend
thanks for the comments guys
kpjimmy said:
No, it's fine. Pick it up as many times as you want. I have different wireless pads scattered throughout my house, office and car, that it will not "hurt" it.
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uh yeah, no thanks, charge cycles take their toll on the battery.
people like this are why batteries have to be replaced.
Personally, it's only $15 to do yourself, so not a big deal. Just don't tell people it's fine. Get a degree in Electrical Engineering then tell me it's fine
thor1k said:
uh yeah, no thanks, charge cycles take their toll on the battery.
people like this are why batteries have to be replaced.
Personally, it's only $15 to do yourself, so not a big deal. Just don't tell people it's fine. Get a degree in Electrical Engineering then tell me it's fine
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AFAIK li-ion batteries does not suffer from any memory effect and they even last longer when kept charged. Battery charge cycles are still there as an indicator of the goodness of the battery from the manufacturer but they are related to a full cycle (eg how much current passes through the battery) but smaller charging cycles shouldn't be counted as full.
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I want to buy a wireless charger but I need some advices ^^
What's the best charger for you guys ? I mean what's the more efficient charger, the official from the Google play or others ?
thor1k said:
uh yeah, no thanks, charge cycles take their toll on the battery.
people like this are why batteries have to be replaced.
Personally, it's only $15 to do yourself, so not a big deal. Just don't tell people it's fine. Get a degree in Electrical Engineering then tell me it's fine
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Well I had my phone since released and before that used my Nexus 4 and used wireless chargers since then. You mean to tell me we all need EE degrees to use/charge our phones?
Just use the pads no need to "worry" about the battery. In some instances batteries will need replacement, but many replace their devices well before you see an issue.
I don't want to go to e-war about batteries. I am just going by personal experience. I have my N4 still, which my wife uses and still uses charging pad still no issues there either.
thor1k said:
uh yeah, no thanks, charge cycles take their toll on the battery.
people like this are why batteries have to be replaced.
Personally, it's only $15 to do yourself, so not a big deal. Just don't tell people it's fine. Get a degree in Electrical Engineering then tell me it's fine
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Could you provide some references for our edification? I admit I'm not the most knowledgeable on the subject but my understanding is that charge cycling is bad at or near full charge. I don't know that this a problem at lower charge levels (let's say <90%).
I don't have an EE degree but from what I understand newer batteries cycles are a full charge from 0-100. I read something on apples' website explaining this. So charging it twice from 50-100 would be one cycle.
Riekr said:
AFAIK li-ion batteries does not suffer from any memory effect and they even last longer when kept charged. Battery charge cycles are still there as an indicator of the goodness of the battery from the manufacturer but they are related to a full cycle (eg how much current passes through the battery) but smaller charging cycles shouldn't be counted as full.
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noppppppeeeeeeee, left at full charge lose 20% of capacity after 1 year. see:
http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/how_to_prolong_lithium_based_batteries
You might be right about the charge cycles, as most things seem to relate to amount of power transferred through the battery, and not 'depth of discharge" but honestly many people I've met who plug their phones in all the time to top up, end up having to get the battery replaced after a year. Apple product, ok no problem they do it free for like 2 years; but I've done nothing but run my batteries all the way down every time and slowcharge every night on USB-500mA (gentler current, kinder to battery, cooler temps, and even a slightly more thorough charge) (just 5% POSSIBLY 10% it's hard to say...probably 5%...I guess I should test this)
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kpjimmy said:
Well I had my phone since released and before that used my Nexus 4 and used wireless chargers since then. You mean to tell me we all need EE degrees to use/charge our phones?
Just use the pads no need to "worry" about the battery. In some instances batteries will need replacement, but many replace their devices well before you see an issue.
I don't want to go to e-war about batteries. I am just going by personal experience. I have my N4 still, which my wife uses and still uses charging pad still no issues there either.
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EE to charge? No, I'm just saying you might want to think twice before picking up 20 times a day from the pad. Better to get MightyText for when you're at your PC/work to text with.
the google charging pad IS better I would have less issues charging on one of those. However, I'm a cheapie, and use $10 chargers, which heat my phone usually to 40C for a full 0%-100% charge. Not best, but I have resigned myself to the reality of potentially replacing the battery in 18 months if I want the convenience of charging pads everywhere. You might wish to think this way as well. Also, after 18 months, maybe you could just charge it at every opportunity (at that point, who cares, you only need it for another 18 months probably) and that would be enough.
thor1k said:
but honestly many people I've met who plug their phones in all the time to top up, end up having to get the battery replaced after a year.
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All I know is since 1998 I charge my phones to 100% as often as I can find a charging device. I am the only one on my family plan of 5(the others run battery down daily to~30% or more) that doesn't replace their battery before their next upgrade. So my motto is *Top up every chance you get*.
Wiley_11 said:
All I know is since 1998 I charge my phones to 100% as often as I can find a charging device. I am the only one on my family plan of 5(the others run battery down daily to~30% or more) that doesn't replace their battery before their next upgrade. So my motto is *Top up every chance you get*.
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that's encouraging to hear I've never heard that before.
5pik3 said:
I want to buy a wireless charger but I need some advices ^^
What's the best charger for you guys ? I mean what's the more efficient charger, the official from the Google play or others ?
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Bought this for just 8,33 euro shipped (9.99 $) and works like a charm! :good:
thor1k said:
uh yeah, no thanks, charge cycles take their toll on the battery.
people like this are why batteries have to be replaced.
Personally, it's only $15 to do yourself, so not a big deal. Just don't tell people it's fine. Get a degree in Electrical Engineering then tell me it's fine
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I don't think we need a degree in EE... All you need to know about batteries is in this place: http://batteryuniversity.com/
Go a take a look at let those "dogmas" change.
Peace.
JeckaD said:
I don't think we need a degree in EE... All you need to know about batteries is in this place: http://batteryuniversity.com/
Go a take a look at let those "dogmas" change.
Peace.
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like I said-- Battery University also has applicable degrees
thor1k said:
noppppppeeeeeeee, left at full charge lose 20% of capacity after 1 year. see:
http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/how_to_prolong_lithium_based_batteries
You might be right about the charge cycles, as most things seem to relate to amount of power transferred through the battery, and not 'depth of discharge" but honestly many people I've met who plug their phones in all the time to top up, end up having to get the battery replaced after a year. Apple product, ok no problem they do it free for like 2 years; but I've done nothing but run my batteries all the way down every time and slowcharge every night on USB-500mA (gentler current, kinder to battery, cooler temps, and even a slightly more thorough charge) (just 5% POSSIBLY 10% it's hard to say...probably 5%...I guess I should test this)
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EE to charge? No, I'm just saying you might want to think twice before picking up 20 times a day from the pad. Better to get MightyText for when you're at your PC/work to text with.
the google charging pad IS better I would have less issues charging on one of those. However, I'm a cheapie, and use $10 chargers, which heat my phone usually to 40C for a full 0%-100% charge. Not best, but I have resigned myself to the reality of potentially replacing the battery in 18 months if I want the convenience of charging pads everywhere. You might wish to think this way as well. Also, after 18 months, maybe you could just charge it at every opportunity (at that point, who cares, you only need it for another 18 months probably) and that would be enough.
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Not sure if it makes a difference but nexus 5 uses newer li-po batteries not li-ion.

Are there any extended battery for our OPT?

As the title says.
I know how to disassemble my opt and replace parts. So if there are any extended batteries can someone post about it here?
A quick look at google says that there are no replacement batteries with higher mAh than Oneplus offers.
There arent even any battery cases or anything along those lines.
Maybe someone can prove me wrong? I would like to see either of those, too
would love to see zerolemon type of case here
lineoxkun said:
would love to see zerolemon type of case here
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me too!
lineoxkun said:
would love to see zerolemon type of case here
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Absolutely, its amazing what a difference a big battery makes
anyone found one? I only hear crickets
I found this really nice interesting read on the battery university forums
http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/how_to_prolong_lithium_based_batteries
Well worth the read. They discuss about operating temperatures and discharge cycles.
I personally charge my battery at limited 500ma AC using the Boeffla Config app. I have noticed better overall temperatures. It does take 7-8 hrs overnight but totally worth it considering I am planning to keep this phone next couple of years until it dies on me.
rajatdixit said:
I found this really nice interesting read on the battery university forums
http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/how_to_prolong_lithium_based_batteries
Well worth the read. They discuss about operating temperatures and discharge cycles.
I personally charge my battery at limited 500ma AC using the Boeffla Config app. I have noticed better overall temperatures. It does take 7-8 hrs overnight but totally worth it considering I am planning to keep this phone next couple of years until it dies on me.
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i change battery every half year ... and works great ^^
defilip69 said:
i change battery every half year ... and works great ^^
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Which one do you buy?
Yousvel said:
Which one do you buy?
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i buy on ebay the cheapest one every time works
defilip69 said:
i buy on ebay the cheapest one [emoji14] every time works
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How hard is it to change on your own? Or do you go to a service center to change it?
izzikiorage said:
How hard is it to change on your own? Or do you go to a service center to change it?
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its to easy ... few screwdrives and thats it... once u get plastick back off its easy
rajatdixit said:
I found this really nice interesting read on the battery university forums
http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/how_to_prolong_lithium_based_batteries
Well worth the read. They discuss about operating temperatures and discharge cycles.
I personally charge my battery at limited 500ma AC using the Boeffla Config app. I have noticed better overall temperatures. It does take 7-8 hrs overnight but totally worth it considering I am planning to keep this phone next couple of years until it dies on me.
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what rom use?
Destik said:
what rom use?
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Stock 3.5.6 rooted with Lord Boeffla's kernel.
rajatdixit said:
I found this really nice interesting read on the battery university forums
http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/how_to_prolong_lithium_based_batteries
Well worth the read. They discuss about operating temperatures and discharge cycles.
I personally charge my battery at limited 500ma AC using the Boeffla Config app. I have noticed better overall temperatures. It does take 7-8 hrs overnight but totally worth it considering I am planning to keep this phone next couple of years until it dies on me.
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rajatdixit said:
Stock 3.5.6 rooted with Lord Boeffla's kernel.
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It is true that there are already 3.5.7?
rajatdixit said:
I found this really nice interesting read on the battery university forums
http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/how_to_prolong_lithium_based_batteries
Well worth the read. They discuss about operating temperatures and discharge cycles.
I personally charge my battery at limited 500ma AC using the Boeffla Config app. I have noticed better overall temperatures. It does take 7-8 hrs overnight but totally worth it considering I am planning to keep this phone next couple of years until it dies on me.
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hey plz take the screenshot for the config booeffla kernel plz

Quick charge 4.0 Adapter

Suggest Quick Charger for Redmi note 7
abu13 said:
Suggest Quick Charger for Redmi note 7
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In India, buying mi quick charger 3.0 is the wisest choice. I bought it with redmi note 7 @ Rs. 450 from Mi home. It's not the fastest, but surely saves around 1 hr for charging than the stock charger.
The faster you charge your phone the more heat it'll produce. Be careful and follow the guidelines since it could harm your device otherwise
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Suggest Quick Charger for Redmi note 7
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the charger that is included on RN7 Pro China is 18watts quick charger 3.0.. so look for something like this.. I haven't found QuickCharge 4.0 charger around me yet...
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MarvinMe said:
The faster you charge your phone the more heat it'll produce. Be careful and follow the guidelines since it could harm your device otherwise
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maximum watts suggested by xiaomi for RN7 / Pro is 18 watts.. so your phone is still safe with this chargers.. (but look for the original product just to be safe)
bhert01 said:
the charger that is included on RN7 Pro China is 18watts quick charger 3.0.. so look for something like this.. I haven't found QuickCharge 4.0 charger around me yet...
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maximum watts suggested by xiaomi for RN7 / Pro is 18 watts.. so your phone is still safe with this chargers.. (but look for the original product just to be safe)
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I have home 24W QC3.0 charger, I will test it if it works!
Probably is also important type of USB cable.
Use mi qc 3.0 charger
Using mi qc 3.0 charger, works well
What about this one?
https://www.gearbest.com/chargers-cables/pp_009664077039.html?wid=1349303
looks like gearbest propose it in a bundle with the Redmi Note 7.
https://www.gearbest.com/cell-phones/pp_009575346063.html?wid=1349303#goodsDetail
abu13 said:
Suggest Quick Charger for Redmi note 7
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for redmi note 7 any higher voltages over 4.4V can't do any good - it shrinks for sure the lifetime span best scenario at half so my advice is to keep up using the standard charger which is very healthy for your 4000mAh battery. Also when charging try not to get it full 100%, so you'll have after 3 years of use a battery as new as you bought it - of course no company or company service would agree with me, they need you buying a new phone as soon as possible - the truth is that used cautiously batteries are able to work at maximum capacity about over 600 discharge cycles
viki191 said:
Using mi qc 3.0 charger, works well
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1)is your mobile heating?, please mention temperature after charging upto 1 hour
2)how much time does it takes to charge say from 20% to 80%
3)you can use Accu battery (android app) for battery temperature and charging speed
Golem_ said:
for redmi note 7 any higher voltages over 4.4V can't do any good - it shrinks for sure the lifetime span best scenario at half so my advice is to keep up using the standard charger which is very healthy for your 4000mAh battery. Also when charging try not to get it full 100%, so you'll have after 3 years of use a battery as new as you bought it - of course no company or company service would agree with me, they need you buying a new phone as soon as possible - the truth is that used cautiously batteries are able to work at maximum capacity about over 600 discharge cycles
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Yeah, and using battery however you want you get 500 full cycles before battery goes down to like 80% capacity, which is still FINE. So difference is so little i will just enjoy my phone, instead of worrying about such things. Also who uses their phone more than 2 years?
Plekst said:
Yeah, and using battery however you want you get 500 full cycles before battery goes down to like 80% capacity, which is still FINE. So difference is so little i will just enjoy my phone, instead of worrying about such things. Also who uses their phone more than 2 years?
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I'm working in a field where drones are vital so I have to know a lot about Lithium battery
Your assumptions are correct but like 4 years ago, meanwhile things changed not in the best way
Worst step they made is overcharging - I bet you didn't know are actually overcharging, by increasing the load voltage from 4.2V to 4.4V they succeeded to push more in our battery... so that they stamp now 4000mAh where actually sits 3200mAh - the costs? it halves the life span or even worse. If you put over that "quick charge" suddenly your 500 cycles is a beautiful dream
Golem_ said:
I'm working in a field where drones are vital so I have to know a lot about Lithium battery
Your assumptions are correct but like 4 years ago, meanwhile things changed not in the best way
Worst step they made is overcharging - I bet you didn't know are actually overcharging, by increasing the load voltage from 4.2V to 4.4V they succeeded to push more in our battery... so that they stamp now 4000mAh where actually sits 3200mAh - the costs? it halves the life span or even worse. If you put over that "quick charge" suddenly your 500 cycles is a beautiful dream
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Technology advances, ofcourse engineers trying to fit more energy in as small body as possible, thats only logical way. These "newer" batterys with max 4.4V have different structure to the more common 4.2V, they have extra materials like graphene helping them withstand it. Anyways, even nexus 5x which was released 4years ago, have such battery. And if you google it, you will find plenty of scientific tests newer than 4 years, showing same degradation, around 500 full cycles till you lose like 20%. So again, i dont see a reason to worry. Ill better enjoy my phone. Even if my battery is ruined after 2 years, hell, new one costs 10euros max, ill just swap it and keep using it whatever way i want. I mean, technically you are right, they do overcharge them, and mah does go down as voltage goes down, its not really 4000mah, but practically, its not worth all the trouble. Just enjoy your device.
Plekst said:
Technology advances, ofcourse engineers trying to fit more energy in as small body as possible, thats only logical way. These "newer" batterys with max 4.4V have different structure to the more common 4.2V, they have extra materials like graphene helping them withstand it. Anyways, even nexus 5x which was released 4years ago, have such battery. And if you google it, you will find plenty of scientific tests newer than 4 years, showing same degradation, around 500 full cycles till you lose like 20%. So again, i dont see a reason to worry. Ill better enjoy my phone. Even if my battery is ruined after 2 years, hell, new one costs 10euros max, ill just swap it and keep using it whatever way i want. I mean, technically you are right, they do overcharge them, and mah does go down as voltage goes down, its not really 4000mah, but practically, its not worth all the trouble. Just enjoy your device.
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update - it looks like RN7 4Ah xiaomi batteries wears out pretty fast, lot of users using quick charge (which in RN7 case makes charging faster with 15min or so) report that at less than a month the SOT decrease from 9+ hours to under 7 hours. It seems like that the profit margins made that so xiaomi puts in their phones batteries using old common technology. Most probably you're right but only when about flagships
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update - it looks like RN7 4Ah xiaomi batteries wears out pretty fast, lot of users using quick charge (which in RN7 case makes charging faster with 15min or so) report that at less than a month the SOT decrease from 9+ hours to under 7 hours. It seems like that the profit margins made that so xiaomi puts in their phones batteries using old common technology. Most probably you're right but only when about flagships
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Lol. If this was true whole internet would be full of complains, redmi is sold worldwide now, so believe me, european buyers wouldnt stay silent if battery degraded after a month. You would be reading articles in every smartphone news site, but thats not the case, so obviously thats not true, i dont know where you are finding this false information. Also, SOT is the dumbest thing to measure battery capacity, as it can be influenced by many factors. Check actual battery capacity in mah with app like Gsam or BBS.
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Lol. If this was true whole internet would be full of complains, redmi is sold worldwide now, so believe me, european buyers wouldnt stay silent if battery degraded after a month. You would be reading articles in every smartphone news site, but thats not the case, so obviously thats not true, i dont know where you are finding this false information. Also, SOT is the dumbest thing to measure battery capacity, as it can be influenced by many factors. Check actual battery capacity in mah with app like Gsam or BBS.
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Ah, got it now, you're that kind of "I chose to believe" from matrix guy... not going to disturb you anymore with false information about machine world :laugh:
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Ah, got it now, you're that kind of "I chose to believe" from matrix guy... not going to disturb you anymore with false information about machine world :laugh:
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Show me 1 source of your information and we can discuss. Now you just talk nonsense out of your head . I can also create false nonsense, watch.
Edit: Update, a lot of users are reporting that battery is completely fine after months of using quick charge 4. We are good to go. Lmao.
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Show me 1 source of your information and we can discuss. Now you just talk nonsense out of your head . I can also create false nonsense, watch.
Edit: Update, a lot of users are reporting that battery is completely fine after months of using quick charge 4. We are good to go. Lmao.
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I think i earned my trust on this forum so no one to put under doubt my words - before asking things develop yourself cracking/hacking tools having tens of thousands of downloads, so to speak becoming a real xda member, then come back and I will show you tones of proves (you're a google fan, right? yeeep, google doesn't help sometime)... 'til then farewell rookie!
update: checked for your own useful threads, didn't find any... you don't want to share from your vastly knowledge?
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I think i earned my trust on this forum so no one to put under doubt my words - before asking things develop yourself cracking/hacking tools having tens of thousands of downloads, so to speak becoming a real xda member, then come back and I will show you tones of proves (you're a google fan, right? yeeep, google doesn't help sometime)... 'til then farewell rookie!
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Haha, so standart. So many words, and zero proof or sources. Yeah, cya buddy. I dont have anything to prove because im talking facts. You on the other hand, are talking nonsense out of your ass. And when asked for proof, you write 5 lines of self promoting, how wonderful of a xda member you are, Lmaooo ?? ive been on xda since 2008, "rookie". Im mature enough to not believe every nonsense i see, unlike you it seems. Yeah, sure, battery is degraded in RN7 after 1 month use... Lmao, do you seriously believe this nonsense yourself? All these batterys are basically the same, and most of oems use quick charge 4 because it is LICENSED and SAFE technology. But yeah, you probably know better than thousands of engineers thinking otherwise ? because you created a cheap chinese smartwatch tool, that makes your opinion much more valid than the rest of the world, and you need no proof, your words are enough. Jeesus, some people live in dellusional world... Ever heard of tesla cars? They use same batteries as in laptops, smartphones etc. Difference being, they use much higher voltages and amperages than we do. Yet the batteries are fine. They even give 5 years warranty. So how do you explain that? Let me guess, you cant, because you talk nonsense out of your ass, and when asked for proof, you start bragging about your simple mtk tool which has nothing to do with this topic lmao.
conclusion: don't buy a quick charger for RN7
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conclusion: don't buy a quick charger for RN7
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Yes, if you believe telltales and grandma's fairytails. If you believe facts and scientific tests, you are free to use it, because there is absolutely no facts pointing otherwise.

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