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My Love-Hate Reltionship with my HOX

I got my HOX just over two months ago but as much I love using this phone, there are a few things that just bug me. I had a Desire S before the One X and a Desire before that. Compared to the Desire S it is much faster and I am glad I upgraded, but I still have a few gripes. I have have been considering switching to the Galaxy SIII since my brother has it and it looks and feels better then I thought. Is it worth switching? Or are there some tips that can help me get past these problems. Here is a comparison of the things I love and hate about the HOX.
Love:
- The beautiful screen. Best screen I have ever used/seen on a phone hands down. When I leave my phone beside me after using it and the screen is still on, the viewing angles still surprise me. I have compared to the S3 screen and it pretty much trumps it in every way apart from the blacks. One of the best features of the phone.
- Sense. I've never rooted or installed my own custom roms onto a phone and even though I was thinking about it, I would prefer to keep my warranty intact and I enjoy sense. Obviously a matter of opinion but I love using sense as it feels very organized and I use some of the features like text reflow on the browser, smart dialer and car dock mode a lot, and I love the tons of widgets available. Touchwiz on the other hand is just bleugh. Too cartoony for my taste and just feels all over the place.
- Camera. Even though it isn't the best in low light condition, I love the widescreen pictures, and in decent light or even with the flash, the pictures are very, very clear. Also the camera interface is brilliant.
- Design. Love the unibody design, curved screen, drilled speaker holes and the led under the grill.
Hate:
- Battery Life. How do I describe the battery life on this phone. So damn inconsistent. Some days I can get 15h with 2.5h screen time. While some I get 8h with just over 1h screen time. I just don't get it. No matter what I do I won't get over 3h of screen time. Standby time on the phone is brilliant, but as soon I switch on the screen, the battery level just plunges. I never used to look at my battery level this much on a phone.
- Multitasking. I have tried some fixes, but as soon as I open more then 2 things at once, apps start to close. I am browsing the internet, switch to send a text message and come back after a minute or two, the page reloads. The same happens with games and other apps. I find myself hurrying to reply to a text in less then 20 seconds otherwise that app is restarting. This does not seem to happen on the S3.
- WiFi. Connection when using the WiFi on the HOX is fine. It is just when the phone is left on standby for too long, all data cuts off. As soon as I switch on the screen, connections fire up again, and all emails start flowing in. This doesn't happen all the time and is very random.
- Big nipple on the back of phone. Even though it looks cool, the way the camera sticks out is a strange design by htc. I am worried about scratching the glass every time I put down the phone. I'm not a big fan of using cases, but I am forced to as I would hate a scratched lens.
I have thought about switching to GS3 but I don't know, I just don't find it very appealing.
What do you think? Anyone share my views? Anyone feel there is a way past these problems. Even though the HOX has problems I still love it, but as much I enjoy using this phone, I need something that will work properly. My decision on switching phone is about 80% staying with the phone 20% switch to the GS3. I can't really imagine switching phones, but was just hoping for any suggestions to solve these problems.
What do you guys think? Any feedback would be appreciated.
Thanks

Broken GPS made me root and rom in the end, it was the deal breaker. The dislikes were a big factor. I thought I used to like Sense (went from Samsung Omnia HD > HTC Desire > Iphone 4S > Galaxy Nexus > HTC One X), but after coming from a Galaxy Nexus (vanilla ICS) I realized the error of my ways.
Dislike:
1. Sense (choppy UI, reduced functionality and still doesn't necessarily look better...eg task switcher, browser tab switcher)
2. Sense UI would reload all the time
3. Sound was crackling in videos
4. HTC Updates few and far between and don't fix anything
Like:
1. Screen
2. Unibody design

mujj said:
- WiFi. Connection when using the WiFi on the HOX is fine. It is just when the phone is left on standby for too long, all data cuts off. As soon as I switch on the screen, connections fire up again, and all emails start flowing in. This doesn't happen all the time and is very random.
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In the mail app under settings, did you already check the sync schedule? By default it turns off syncing in the evening and in the weekend

I have both. My gs3 is in mothballs. Waiting to sell it when a new phone comes out.
I used the one x from launch until July when I got the s3. I used the s3 for three weeks before finally calling it quits.
Reasons why I chose hox over s3.
Hox with sense is just miles ahead because of
Productivity software built in, mail, google tasks sync, evernote sync.
The mail app in sense is so good that I use it primarily instead of my blackberry mail. My blackberry is now used only for bbm. The less said about the s3 email app, the better. It is just pathetic.
Contacts integration with social networks.
The sense ui is far far ahead of anything in my opinion in the android ecosystem.
The phone radio is again far superior to s3.
The sense dialer is the best of any phone out there.
How can I forget the gorgeous screen. Again its by far the best that I have ever seen.
The HTC sense keyboard is good that I use it over swiftkey and thumb keyboard. The trace feature is amazing as well.
Friendstream is another winner for me.
Using sense means that I don't need extra apps for mail, tasks, notes and social networks. It's all built in.
Am not much of a gamer, play angry birds and stick cricket on occassions and hox does well.
Only shortfall is inconsistent battery. But I carry around a small Belkin portable battery pack in case I run low. Have only had to use it a couple of times though.
Sd card is subjective, most of my pictures are on drop box and on picasa so my storage is used for music. Some may want more space so having an external sd card is nice.
Cameras I actually preferred the s3 but the difference is marginal.
In short if you like an integrated productive ui and don't measure speed in micro seconds then hox is better.
If you love aosp, cheezy features like smart stay and s voice and love flashing tons just to get rid of the horrible horrible touch wiz ui and require an external sd card for 30 odd gb more then go for s3.
Again this is my opinion based on owning and using both phones. I also own and use a blackberry and an iPad so an well aware of the pros and cons of each phone and ui.
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With WIFI data-connectivity, I think there is some 'smart' (although disputed) functionality that disables WIFI through the night. This has been discussed on the forum before and a way to disable that.
My advice would be to stick with the device for at least another two weeks so that you get the new OTA update to 4.0.4. There are many good things said about that update throughout here, esp. UI speed, enhanced multi-tasking, three dot fix, etc that brings out the real tegra 3 power from the device. I too am waiting for that OTA or will flash an RUU if that arrives earlier. Or you could not wait and root the device and flash the linked ROM. Your call!
I don't have an issue with the Samsung per se, but it does not look as polished a device as the One X is and it doesn't feel that someone spent time designing and crafting the device but instead moulding plastic panels that make the S3. Samsung has historically preferred plastic (and amoled screens) on their devices and I am not a big fan of them at least not now when competitors are using advanced materials.
BTW, your camera description is hillarious....

not going to go into an essay i will just say this. i had first an iphone and was always an iphone user..then i switched over the galaxy s2...i still say for me that is the best damn phone i ever had. now the HOX i will say this. i love it in everyway and specially love how the music sounds on this and the camera is amazing...but if you are one of them who love rooting and flashing and customizing your phone with ease then your best bet is the S3.
if i had the choice i would stick with the One X as for user experience it is far more better than the S3 due to T3 for games and beats as well for music....it is down to you really what you want to go for both phones are great it is just down to you at the end of the day...i say stick with your One X for now and wait for the Nexus to come out...

s1977 said:
With WIFI data-connectivity, I think there is some 'smart' (although disputed) functionality that disables WIFI through the night. This has been discussed on the forum before and a way to disable that.
My advice would be to stick with the device for at least another two weeks so that you get the new OTA update to 4.0.4. There are many good things said about that update throughout here, esp. UI speed, enhanced multi-tasking, three dot fix, etc that brings out the real tegra 3 power from the device. I too am waiting for that OTA or will flash an RUU if that arrives earlier. Or you could not wait and root the device and flash the linked ROM. Your call!
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I like the idea of the three dot fix and if multitasking is improved and the WiFi problem fixed that would be brilliant. But I doubt the battery will get any better. Hope this update hits the UK soon. Thanks
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TBH battery life too is quoted as improved with the screen time easily over 5+ hours from 3+ (I think this was from the CNET article)...Anyways I don't worry about battery life nowadays as we all are surrounded by easily accessible power sources, be it the car or office and can always top up if need be.
I suggest you read up some articles on what is fixed in the 2.15* fix or in the 4.0.4 update on the AT&T One X. If you think the fixes are what you'd like on your phone, then stick with it.

skywalker1970 said:
I have both. My gs3 is in mothballs. Waiting to sell it when a new phone comes out.
I used the one x from launch until July when I got the s3. I used the s3 for three weeks before finally calling it quits.
Reasons why I chose hox over s3.
Hox with sense is just miles ahead because of
Productivity software built in, mail, google tasks sync, evernote sync.
The mail app in sense is so good that I use it primarily instead of my blackberry mail. My blackberry is now used only for bbm. The less said about the s3 email app, the better. It is just pathetic.
Contacts integration with social networks.
The sense ui is far far ahead of anything in my opinion in the android ecosystem.
The phone radio is again far superior to s3.
The sense dialer is the best of any phone out there.
How can I forget the gorgeous screen. Again its by far the best that I have ever seen.
The HTC sense keyboard is good that I use it over swiftkey and thumb keyboard. The trace feature is amazing as well.
Friendstream is another winner for me.
Using sense means that I don't need extra apps for mail, tasks, notes and social networks. It's all built in.
Am not much of a gamer, play angry birds and stick cricket on occassions and hox does well.
Only shortfall is inconsistent battery. But I carry around a small Belkin portable battery pack in case I run low. Have only had to use it a couple of times though.
Sd card is subjective, most of my pictures are on drop box and on picasa so my storage is used for music. Some may want more space so having an external sd card is nice.
Cameras I actually preferred the s3 but the difference is marginal.
In short if you like an integrated productive ui and don't measure speed in micro seconds then hox is better.
If you love aosp, cheezy features like smart stay and s voice and love flashing tons just to get rid of the horrible horrible touch wiz ui and require an external sd card for 30 odd gb more then go for s3.
Again this is my opinion based on owning and using both phones. I also own and use a blackberry and an iPad so an well aware of the pros and cons of each phone and ui.
Sent from my HTC One X using Tapatalk 2
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Touchwiz is less intrusive than sense.. Using a different launcher pretty much disguises most of it whereas sense is everywhere on the HOX.
I originally subscribed to the school of thought that the siii was a hideous blob "supported" a by a ridiculous marketing campaign, but having actually used an s3 I am impressed and Touchwiz is much improved.
I am going to swap to an s3, mainly because the HOX is the first Android phone where I've felt forced to root just to make the phone usable. The screen and design do not make up for the crap Multiasking, sense constantly reloading, hogging ram and rubbish battery life. I wouldn't mind if I actually had the option to change these things (e.g. Removable battery, memory expansion etc) but I dont.
I'm sick and tired of the bugs, and hardware faults. I've had screen flicker, Wifi problems and what seems eerily similar to death grip. I flashed an asop rom (CM10) and the only thing I slightly missed was the camera interface. With my galaxy s2 there were actually a number of good reasons to stick with stock (hardware video decoding being one)
I'm tired of constantly eyeing my battery, I despise the fact my warranty is now void because I had to root, and the plethora of bugs and defects mine and others have suffered is the reason I'm selling this phone.
Tbh I feel like a lot of this is to do with nvidas overhyped processor, and the rest is htc's inexplicable hostility towards the hacking community and their poor quality control.
Goodbye forever HTC
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narcoustic said:
Touchwiz is less intrusive than sense.. Using a different launcher pretty much disguises most of it whereas sense is everywhere on the HOX.
I originally subscribed to the school of thought that the siii was a hideous blob "supported" a by a ridiculous marketing campaign, but having actually used an s3 I am impressed and Touchwiz is much improved.
I am going to swap to an s3, mainly because the HOX is the first Android phone where I've felt forced to root just to make the phone usable. The screen and design do not make up for the crap Multiasking, sense constantly reloading, hogging ram and rubbish battery life. I wouldn't mind if I actually had the option to change these things (e.g. Removable battery, memory expansion etc) but I dont.
I'm sick and tired of the bugs, and hardware faults. I've had screen flicker, Wifi problems and what seems eerily similar to death grip. I flashed an asop rom (CM10) and the only thing I slightly missed was the camera interface. With my galaxy s2 there were actually a number of good reasons to stick with stock (hardware video decoding being one)
I'm tired of constantly eyeing my battery, I despise the fact my warranty is now void because I had to root, and the plethora of bugs and defects mine and others have suffered is the reason I'm selling this phone.
Tbh I feel like a lot of this is to do with nvidas overhyped processor, and the rest is htc's inexplicable hostility towards the hacking community and their poor quality control.
Goodbye forever HTC
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The LG optimus 4x HD uses the same processor, but it competes neck to neck w the SGS3 in terms of responsiveness. So it's clearly HTC's part that makes the phone lag.

The camera positioning is a real pain. I don't use a case and already there is some micro scratching on the lens.
The battery issue was almost a deal breaker for me until I rooted and installed a ROM that gives fantastic battery time (Maximus One).
Can't think of any major dislikes apart from those.

Well, everyone will always have an opinion about battery life. Nothing wrong in that. We have all been spoilt by those Nokia phones that lasted the whole week on full charge, haven't we? For me, the One X more than sufficiently lasts the whole day and where it doesn't it can be either attributable to some hardware issue or consumer usage. It shouldn't go flat overnight and I have seen far fewer posts that suggest such behaviour. Everyday that I have put the device on charge, it was already at 50+% and therefore could easily survive another day.
My only gripe is that if HTC had decided that they were going for a unibody design with no SD card expansion, then they should have at least maxed out the battery on it like how the Motorola RAZR MAXX did. This is possible and clearly some other manufacturer will get there. Form factor issues aside, if they were putting in a big screen, etc, then max it out as much as you can. Leaving it to be at 1800mah is like leaving a sore sticking point that will always fail to win consumers, esp. when the S3 has a removable cover, better battery and a SD card expansion slot. Clearly most people can do simple maths and can work out that the Samsung looks preferable with a high capacity battery and would go that way unless they know the things that make the HTC stand out well like screen, UI, etc where the HOX trumps. No one would have complained about anything other than hardware issues then and this phone would have tromped well over any competitors offerings.

mujj said:
- WiFi. Connection when using the WiFi on the HOX is fine. It is just when the phone is left on standby for too long, all data cuts off. As soon as I switch on the screen, connections fire up again, and all emails start flowing in. This doesn't happen all the time and is very random.
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This is due to SmartSync. You can disable it if yr rooted.
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how do u guys feel about the battery life after the 2.2 update? lasts a few hrs longer for me

Still haven't got it waiting patiently in the UK
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Did you force the update?
Settings/info/Software info/'Check now'?
mujj said:
Still haven't got it waiting patiently in the UK
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Laurentius26 said:
Did you force the update?
Settings/info/Software info/'Check now'?
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Many...many times
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Should i upgrade from my HTC One (M7)

Hi, i have a HTC One (m7) and was wondering if it is worth to upgrade to the LG G3

One word : Yes.

seboj said:
One word : Yes.
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i know all about the specs and I also own the LG G pad 8.3 (that I really like), but my bother was trying to get me to buy a Nexus 5

Coldheat1906 said:
i know all about the specs and I also own the LG G pad 8.3 (that I really like), but my bother was trying to get me to buy a Nexus 5
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The only reason to get the N5 over the G3 is if you absolutely have to have the fastest Android updates. Or the screen is too big. Or you only want to pay ~$300 for an off-contract phone.

Take it from someone who was in your exact shoes: yes. I had an HTC One XL, upgraded to a Dev Ed HTC One M7 when it came out and I loved it. I did. Screen was amazing. Phone felt great. And photos were pretty sweet (shameless plug: https://www.flickr.com/photos/lng0004/tags/htcone/). But then, when they announced the M8 which looked too similar with no big improvements to the camera, I decided to switch. My main interest was in a great camera sensor. So it was going to be either the Z2 or G3. G3 won me over with style.
After 6 days with the new G3, am I happy? Yup. It's still very much locked down. But after rooting, I was able to set up the phone to do (almost) all of what my HTC One was capable of. And the camera performs much better. Daytime photos actually look detailed and can be cropped without turning into one big mush. Oh, and the screen. Wow.
What I'm trying to say is, there's no reason not to upgrade.
PS: Get the G2 if you don't want to spend $600. Just as capable as the Nexus 5 with better camera and battery.

I used the M7 as my primary phone until I bought the G3 on Friday. I don't regret a thing. This phone is a beast.
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I can let you know on Thursday. I had a htc one but then switched to Verizon so I'm getting the g3
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I think your M7 is still amazing. The G3 is amazing too but some mind-boggling design elements detracts from the overall aesthetics of the phone. I mean, it has a sleek body with an amazing screen but marred by over-sharpening, poor UI colors, and badly designed icons. Come one! Cyan plus blue-gray in the UI? The over-sharpening of the display makes the fonts look weird and unbalanced (like a mixture of bold and thin weights). It also creates halos around texts. I would still prefer the HTC display quality.

I am not trying to defend the phone because everything you said is spot on and should have been fixed before its release. Definitely for us on the state side but if you are a flashaholic chances are after root and fingers crossed bootloader unlock for anyone not on tmobile stock problems wont bother you in the least. So I would say if you don't plan on being a power user with this phone skip on it until LG pulls it together.

keithleyson said:
I think your M7 is still amazing. The G3 is amazing too but some mind-boggling design elements detracts from the overall aesthetics of the phone. I mean, it has a sleek body with an amazing screen but marred by over-sharpening, poor UI colors, and badly designed icons. Come one! Cyan plus blue-gray in the UI? The over-sharpening of the display makes the fonts look weird and unbalanced (like a mixture of bold and thin weights). It also creates halos around texts. I would still prefer the HTC display quality.
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You mentioned over-sharpening twice. That's because it's the only noticeable flaw of the phone. Everything else is subjective. I do agree that HTC's SLCDs are amazing though. Brighter than the G3. But everything that's good about the G3 makes it a great upgrade.

The main reason why I got the G3 over the M8 is because of the screen. It's practically the same physical size as the M8 but with a bigger screen.
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Coming from m8 I would say no unless you can do without custom roms and live with pretty awful lag on the phone. I went for the screen size and resolution can you tell the difference ow yes.
Camera is better and like the thin bezel but again I say the lag is the biggest disappointing point of out the phone.

riz157 said:
Coming from m8 I would say no unless you can do without custom roms and live with pretty awful lag on the phone. I went for the screen size and resolution can you tell the difference ow yes.
Camera is better and like the thin bezel but again I say the lag is the biggest disappointing point of out the phone.
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I don't experience any lag with my G3, and they are still working on unlocking the bootloader - I wouldn't count out the devs yet.

I had an M7 for 3 months and I traded it outright for a Galaxy S4. Aside from the unimpressive camera, the original HTC One had terrible cellular reception. This was confirmed by numerous people on the XDA forums and was likely due to the all-metal construction. Right away, I noticed a drastic improvement in my data speed and rarely experienced dropped calls, like I frequently had with the One. My new G3 actually has better reception than the GS4, so if you are considering an upgrade the LG phone's improved call and data quality should be cause enough.
Throw in a faster processor, MUCH better camera, replaceable battery and micro-SD card slot and it's a no-brainer.
It's really strange to me that phone reviewers never consider reception. They talk about the screen, processor speed, speakers, etc. but don't ever mention the phone's ability to send and receive calls.

Thanks everyone for the input, I actually went ahead and pulled the trigger...... I figured that I can give it a week trial to see if I like it.
So I went to Bestbuy and grabbed on..... Oddly I was still given the $50 in store gift card and the phone was only $50 + tax. That made my purchase even sweeter.
So far I really do like the screen size and the speed, it actually does seem faster then my HTC One (M7). The camera is extremely better and I actually liked my M7 camera. If all goes well this week I will give my son my M7 and keep the G3

should I swap my m9 with G4 or keep it?

So I am trying to get all the information I need before jumping from M9 to G4, I generally never change a phone before a year cycle, but the M9 poor camera in low light, very warm temps in summer days, and more specially the small screen (for my astigmatic eyes) are pushing me toward a bigger screen and some goodies lie better camera, so the G4 is here for that.
But in another way I red so many reports about touchscreen issues, and lately people are saying it could be hardware fault, and the volume of the earphone is not impressive, that I don't now anymore!
Today a dude was ready to swap his only 1 week old G4 with my M9 for only 40$ and because I hesitated he sold it to someone else, now if I want to swap it it will be with a new unit and I will have to pay about 100$
I don't see other phones incoming that could suit me, note 5 will be very expensive and no sdcard, motorola phones are not sold in my country and Nexus 5 2015 will not have sd card too.
So is it worth it to swap my M9 to G4(and pay 100$)?
I plan to install Xpirt Sense 7 ports, I prefer Sense launcher.
Still have a last question: is the BT autoconnecting? I mean my M9 autoconnect to my car's BT everytime I start the Car app, it was not the case with the S6, I tried numerous car apps with autoconnect option but the S6 BT didn't want to autoconnect, I hope the G4 is like M9

I'd wait for the new nexus honestly, but I swapped from the m9 to the g4 and could not be happier, other than the terrible music quality this phone has been better all around. Also the sense launcher can be installed on any phone, there's an xda thread about a port for all phones somewhere.
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gonzo237 said:
I'd wait for the new nexus honestly, but I swapped from the m9 to the g4 and could not be happier, other than the terrible music quality this phone has been better all around. Also the sense launcher can be installed on any phone, there's an xda thread about a port for all phones somewhere.
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Terrible music quality or volume?
Of course coming from the number 1 as smartphone audio I have found a lack of volume and warmth on the G4, but I think it's fixable using apps like V4A, no?

I came from the m8 to the g4 so not quite the same comparison.
Please bare in mind that there is mention of the latest firmware update in the g4 general thread with people suggesting it fixes the touch screen issues.
I'm not sure about BT but I don't think it does auto connect from my limited BT use.
Overall I would say this is a great phone, but I would also add that I found that ease of install and quantity of roms was much better with the m8.. This may come with time but hinges on getting the bootloader unlocked...

My Bluetooth auto connects when I get in my car everyday.
I've been using Dolby and its improved it a lot. However sound is still disappointing, at some point I'll try viper but I'm lazy and haven't flashed it yet.
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vegetaleb said:
But in another way I red so many reports about touchscreen issues, and lately people are saying it could be hardware fault, and the volume of the earphone is not impressive, that I don't now anymore!
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Will you be getting the H815 variant ? check out the G4 videos in this channel
You can also talk to your fellow country man, XDA staff, riro
in general somebody complaining about lag.
- was a nexus user ? ignore
- was a htc or xperia user on a tricked out rom ? ignore
- some random wierd **** ? G4 locked to a carrier ? which carrier ? ignore because they get updates much later.
- is a unlocked or intl. variant...listen then decide if you can live with it.
problems have been addressed with updates, this is the same old with every device when it comes out, some stink is created and then it gets (mostly) fixed but the comments and videos remain on the internet for ever (!) course these people move on to other devices but always repeat their outdated experiences.
Today a dude was ready to swap his only 1 week old G4 with my M9 for only 40$ and because I hesitated he sold it to someone else, now if I want to swap it it will be with a new unit and I will have to pay about 100$
I don't see other phones incoming that could suit me, note 5 will be very expensive and no sdcard, motorola phones are not sold in my country and Nexus 5 2015 will not have sd card too.
So is it worth it to swap my M9 to G4(and pay 100$)?
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why not wait and see if another swap offer comes up.
Still have a last question: is the BT autoconnecting? I mean my M9 autoconnect to my car's BT everytime I start the Car app, it was not the case with the S6, I tried numerous car apps with autoconnect option but the S6 BT didn't want to autoconnect, I hope the G4 is like M9
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If i understood you right....this strikes me as a setting, BT autoconnecting means it keeps searching every few minutes. if you set it to try only once when you switch BT on it will be better for battery.
Since you are swapping why not ask the seller to come over and try with your car.

vegetaleb said:
should I swap my m9 with G4 or keep it?
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Yes

vegetaleb said:
So I am trying to get all the information I need before jumping from M9 to G4, I generally never change a phone before a year cycle, but the M9 poor camera in low light, very warm temps in summer days, and more specially the small screen (for my astigmatic eyes) are pushing me toward a bigger screen and some goodies lie better camera, so the G4 is here for that.
But in another way I red so many reports about touchscreen issues, and lately people are saying it could be hardware fault, and the volume of the earphone is not impressive, that I don't now anymore!
Today a dude was ready to swap his only 1 week old G4 with my M9 for only 40$ and because I hesitated he sold it to someone else, now if I want to swap it it will be with a new unit and I will have to pay about 100$
I don't see other phones incoming that could suit me, note 5 will be very expensive and no sdcard, motorola phones are not sold in my country and Nexus 5 2015 will not have sd card too.
So is it worth it to swap my M9 to G4(and pay 100$)?
I plan to install Xpirt Sense 7 ports, I prefer Sense launcher.
Still have a last question: is the BT autoconnecting? I mean my M9 autoconnect to my car's BT everytime I start the Car app, it was not the case with the S6, I tried numerous car apps with autoconnect option but the S6 BT didn't want to autoconnect, I hope the G4 is like M9
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THe latest update fixes touch issues. The phone will fix your camera, temp and screen issue no doubt. For my personal use I have no issue with the audio but I am not picky. The phone itself is pretty good and from what I see after the update it is near perfect. I for one am still excited to see the moto x and the nexus but the G4 is still pretty great.

Having came from an M8, to an S6, to a G4, I can personally say this phone is superior to all of them for numerous reasons.
1. Screen size/quality (LG > HTC) (LG == S6)
2. Audio is really good in my opinion (LG > S6) (LG == OR < M8/M9)
3.Removeable battery & SD Card, allowing for bigger batteries and extras alongside more storage cheap
4. Generally very fast, maybe not as fast as an M9 without a custom ROM but superior to Sammy devices by miles.
5. Stock experience is one of the best out there, vastly superior to TouchWiz on Sammy devices
6. Variety of custom back covers for the device (e.g leather, metal, plastic, varied colors, probably more from 3rd parties)
7. Camera is phenomenal, HUGE upgrade over M8/M9.
8, 9, 10 & 11 million. More than I can think of right now.
Also in my experience I have no problems with the touchscreen or anything else that was substantial enough to break the phone for me.

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I'd wait for the new nexus honestly, but I swapped from the m9 to the g4 and could not be happier, other than the terrible music quality this phone has been better all around. Also the sense launcher can be installed on any phone, there's an xda thread about a port for all phones somewhere.
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So I am trying to get all the information I need before jumping from M9 to G4, I generally never change a phone before a year cycle, but the M9 poor camera in low light, very warm temps in summer days, and more specially the small screen (for my astigmatic eyes) are pushing me toward a bigger screen and some goodies lie better camera, so the G4 is here for that.
But in another way I red so many reports about touchscreen issues, and lately people are saying it could be hardware fault, and the volume of the earphone is not impressive, that I don't now anymore!
Today a dude was ready to swap his only 1 week old G4 with my M9 for only 40$ and because I hesitated he sold it to someone else, now if I want to swap it it will be with a new unit and I will have to pay about 100$
I don't see other phones incoming that could suit me, note 5 will be very expensive and no sdcard, motorola phones are not sold in my country and Nexus 5 2015 will not have sd card too.
So is it worth it to swap my M9 to G4(and pay 100$)?
I plan to install Xpirt Sense 7 ports, I prefer Sense launcher.
Still have a last question: is the BT autoconnecting? I mean my M9 autoconnect to my car's BT everytime I start the Car app, it was not the case with the S6, I tried numerous car apps with autoconnect option but the S6 BT didn't want to autoconnect, I hope the G4 is like M9
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I read on many reviews that M9 is faster than G4. Did felt that?
Im in doubt between M9 and G4. Bigger screen isnt a must for me, and I dont play games too much (so, overheat is not exactly a problem). I had a very nice time with M8. On the other hand, swappable battery and the camera lean me toward G4.
Confused.

Honestly I felt like the g4 was faster. My m9 was always heat throttled when I just browsed the web, I've heard they did updates to help so idk how it is now, but the m9 was just so laggy it was awful. But if you are leaning most on camera then the g4 or s6 are amazing.
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You convinced me to swap then!
I passed again to LG showroom today and tried the BT audio with my Sony sbh50, the volume was the same as on M9 BT, and when I installed Neutron...it was very loud without the muffling I get on the M9 + neutron + increased gain.
So I guess with V4A it will be perfect.
The screen of the G4 is so gorgeous! I could read all the text without problem very clearly while on the M9 the battery percentage is sometime foggy because of my astigmatism (know eyes problem with LCD)
Now I have to find a good deal

I have the same dilemma lol.
I'm wondering, is the G4 slippery with the plastic back? I think the leather back is more slippery because it's badly made.
My M9 is super slippery without a case and I can't stand the throttling or whatever it is. My Galaxy S5 runs faster and games run smoother (I tested both at the same time).
I'd buy the G4 from the carrier (it's cheap in Canada), because I want warranty with that phone, I don't trust its many issues.
Because of the on screen navigation buttons (I don't like them), the M9 is too small for me. But G4 is too big :/.

The overheating issues are very real with the M9 and replacement phones don't help. I had to fight with VZW for like 4 days to get into a new edge plan with the G4. Downside? Battery life is still pretty abysmal, but at least I can grab some extra batteries and switch it out if I need to. I am enjoying the G4 much more than the M9 even after just a week of having it.

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The overheating issues are very real with the M9 and replacement phones don't help. I had to fight with VZW for like 4 days to get into a new edge plan with the G4. Downside? Battery life is still pretty abysmal, but at least I can grab some extra batteries and switch it out if I need to. I am enjoying the G4 much more than the M9 even after just a week of having it.
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I checked CPU temps on my S5 and M9 after playing the same 3d game. The M9's max was at 43C while the S5 was around 62C. Now of course the M9 was warmer because of the metal but the screen was less warm compared to the S5.
The S5 runs hotter but the plastic helps. However, The S810 is terrible, slower than S801 and the Wi-Fi reception on the M9 isn't strong and doesn't work with some routers (it keeps disconnecting and connecting every 5 seconds, really bad). I don't have an issue with S801.
How is the Snapdragon 808 that the G4 has?

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I checked CPU temps on my S5 and M9 after playing the same 3d game. The M9's max was at 43C while the S5 was around 62C. Now of course the M9 was warmer because of the metal but the screen was less warm compared to the S5.
The S5 runs hotter but the plastic helps. However, The S810 is terrible, slower than S801 and the Wi-Fi reception on the M9 isn't strong and doesn't work with some routers (it keeps disconnecting and connecting every 5 seconds, really bad). I don't have an issue with S801.
How is the Snapdragon 808 that the G4 has?
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My M9 would reach upwards up 120f and at 115 it goes into timeout. Always during GPS usage and very minimal other operations. Even charging was causing issues. The processor in the G4 feels good, but I don't do any crazy gaming or benchmarking. I lasted about 1 day before I got annoyed and rooted it. Got xposed running on it today just fine. As time goes on I'll have a better idea, but in terms of everyday operations, no hiccups with anything. The power and volume keys on the back..I would call...not ideal. It isn't irritating but I would definitely prefer a more standard setup. Just something to note. The power button placement on the M9 sucked though.

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My M9 would reach upwards up 120f and at 115 it goes into timeout. Always during GPS usage and very minimal other operations. Even charging was causing issues. The processor in the G4 feels good, but I don't do any crazy gaming or benchmarking. I lasted about 1 day before I got annoyed and rooted it. Got xposed running on it today just fine. As time goes on I'll have a better idea, but in terms of everyday operations, no hiccups with anything. The power and volume keys on the back..I would call...not ideal. It isn't irritating but I would definitely prefer a more standard setup. Just something to note. The power button placement on the M9 sucked though.
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Just wait. After a month you'll realize that every phone should have buttons on the back.
If only it was a fingerprint scanner too
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gonzo237 said:
Just wait. After a month you'll realize that every phone should have buttons on the back.
If only it was a fingerprint scanner too
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I hope you're right! It's a bit cumbersome in the car mount. The thing that exacerbates the issue is the lack of a power off nav button option like the M9 had. I was hoping someone somehow made more nav button options with root but I haven't seen anything yet. I'm using screen off and lock now, but it's not present on all screens.

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I hope you're right! It's a bit cumbersome in the car mount. The thing that exacerbates the issue is the lack of a power off nav button option like the M9 had. I was hoping someone somehow made more nav button options with root but I haven't seen anything yet. I'm using screen off and lock now, but it's not present on all screens.
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You can also double tap the screen to wake, and double tap the status bar to sleep. I use greenify, which can be used without root, and have it override Google now, so when I drag up from the nav keys it just puts the screen to sleep
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You can also double tap the screen to wake, and double tap the status bar to sleep. I use greenify, which can be used without root, and have it override Google now, so when I drag up from the nav keys it just puts the screen to sleep
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Oh that last thing you mentioned sounds awesome. (sorry for hijacking this thread, but maybe this info will help the dude anyway) I do use the double tap to wake. I use greenify and I'll try that last suggestion. That sounds reliable. Thanks!

HTC 10 Satisfaction

Been doing my research and thinking of getting the HTC 10. Just wanted to gauge users overall satisfaction.

Currently the only vote heh, so I'll elaborate on my "It's alright" (the cons). I don't think there's a worthier replacement for it, but there's definitely room for improvement.
- The captive buttons are a touch too low, just enough to be a minor inconvenience physically when reaching for them, and sometimes more when you miss them by a bit.
- I like the fingerprint scanner being a touch scanner (don't need to press it), but since it acts as a home button too, it's prone to accidental presses. I also just prefer a physical home button, my preference when it comes to feel. Ideally it would've been an actual button, but also touch sensitive just for the scanner.
- The screen could be brighter. Not a deal breaker, but it's less bright at max settings than my old m7 it replaced.
- Battery. I wish they put in a bigger one. It's quite alright when it comes to battery life, but it's just that the phone is thin enough in my opinion that making it a bit thicker for a 3600 battery could've definitely helped, and be better instead.
- Extremely minor, but still - the boom sound icon shouldn't be there when I'm playing music, if BOOM sound is turned off.

Not a fan of decryption.
It's already turned into a headache for me.
It makes being a flash-a-holic tougher.
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I have had mine for 2 weeks or so. I like it and keeping it. That being said... It's not perfect and don't think there will ever be a perfect phone. I'm on Sprint and coming from a LG G2. Coming from a G2 I'm always reaching for the buttons on the back and touching the camera requiring lots of cleaning for good picture. And I miss some of the customization of LG homescreen layout. The 10 is fast and responsive. Battery is great for me and quick charge is awesome. Takes good pics but usually requires some user adjustment prior to taking. Hopefully updates can make for better point and shoot. Some minor annoyances of getting used to a different phone after about 3 years with the same phone.
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Been doing my research and thinking of getting the HTC 10. Just wanted to gauge users overall satisfaction.
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I have the Unlocked HTC 10 modified to be a Verizon phone. Had the M7, M8, and M9 before this, and really like it. The brighter notification light and less carrier bloat make it perfect. It's fast, does not overheat, and has great hand feel.

Randy Lahey said:
Been doing my research and thinking of getting the HTC 10. Just wanted to gauge users overall satisfaction.
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We're given only one life, bro, consequently it's no doubt your mistake failing getting an hTc 10 the last April yet.. ??
Sent from quite brutal hTc 10 ..

Extremely happy with mine. Second favorite Android device after the Nexus 5
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Most recent phones just the past 12 months;
- OnePlus One ( Which I still have as a backup )
- Galaxy Note 5 ( Rooted and ROM'd )
- LG G5 ( Owned for like a week and returned for various reasons )
- HTC 10 ( rooted and running LeeDroid )
Out of the above 4 phones I have had within this year, I surprisingly still like the OPO a lot more than I'd ever think, mainly for the wicked awesome CM13 ROM's out there, and amazing development community on that phone., but the phone is showing it's age of course. Th Note 5 was really nice, but just got sick of Samsung and the MAJOR wait for MM was insane, not coming out till like late April / Early May, putting it like 7 to 8 months after the Nexus devices originally got it, that's inexcusable. The LG G5 not a bad phone at all, actually feels really good in the hand, and overall a nice size, and the G5 battery was shockingly very good, giving me 6h Screen On time with ease. But the screen was too dim, not bright enough, the display was very poor and cheap, and sucked outdoors, and the build quality seemed just ok, and the development community almost nonexistent, I gave up after one week, it was an ok phone.
The HTC 10 really is cool, fantastic build quality, but the screen isn't the best outdoors either, not like a recent Samsung phone, which are outstanding on sunny days. The development community for the 10 is GREAT, and hoping to see a solid CM13 eventually on it. But little things irk me, the stupid lock screen weather deal, I don't want to have to have GPS enabled to see the weather on my lock screen, why can't I just enter in a specific city, and have it show the weather based off the city I choose ? And I seem to have issues with selecting a different lock screen wallpaper than the home screen, it just never sticks, only shows the same wallpaper as the home screen I set. But could be the DPI I changed ?
Also, themes on the HCT 10 sucks IMO, compared to Samsung, ( And I am no Samsung fan whatsoever ) But the themes on Samsung, really transform EVERYTHING on the phone, the pull down quick settings, to the phone dialer, to Messaging, to Settings menu. Look at the AOSP Themes for a Samsung phone, they radically change the look of the phone big time, throughout the entire system. I have yet to see HTC's themes offer anything like that ?
Battery life seems pretty good with my tweaks, I am getting 5.5h to 6h Screen On time.
Most likely will dump this phone for the new Nexus this September.

I love it! The best phone on market for me.
But those ugly stock quick settings...

The first ever android phone in many years i havent rooted. Enjoying the phone rather than flashing constantly. Best phone out there currently, but looking forward fo next LG
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Thanks everyone for your votes and replies so far. Most seem to love their phone so far. I guess the results might be biased as most of those that hated it would likely have already returned it and wouldn't be on this thread in the first place.
Two things I've been following concern me though, and I'm curious if any of you HTC 10 lovers have experienced these problems.
The first is the Gap-gate (or Mind the Gap), where people have noticed a significant gap between the bezel and the aluminum frame. Most the people complaining so far seem to have the white face model.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/htc-10/help/gap-screen-frame-t3376620
And the second is the fact that more than one person has claimed that the HTC 10 has destroyed their SD cards.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/htc-10/help/htc-10-damaged-micro-sd-card-t3385664
Interested to hear the view of HTC 10 owners that maybe have had their phone since release (ie a couple months now).

Just wanted to say hello and get some advice

To the Note 4 community at large, I have officially joined you and am so happy to have done so. I was on a gs3 for 3.5 years and finally upgraded to a LG V10. 2 weeks ago and after 20 months of relatively issue-free use, my V10 bootlooped itself to death in my hand and I immediately took that opportunity to start shopping for a Note 4. (LG replaced the main board for free way beyond their extended warranty because it "wasn't charging through the port"... Whatever, didn't cost me anything but the inconvenience.)
Anyway, I picked up a gently used N4 on ebay for 215 shipped and it just got here this afternoon, already had a glass screen protector, uag case, zerolemon and case and OG box/charger. It came with MM and is on baseband CQD1, which seems pretty far along as far as downgrading/rooting/roaming from reading through the threads available but I obviously wanted to check in with everyone here first for options. Am I screwed as far root/romability? When I bought this phone, I was picturing running a rooted stock rom. I just want the hardware to not be hindered by the software. Currently running Oct-N on my gs3 and for the most part it's all good but the lag makes maps essentially useless. I don't want that for my daily driver, especially on a phone that I've wanted since it released.
Thanks in advance for any advice/helpful pointers, love xda and all it provides through the people here

You can try this link in xda try to ask there. Thata the thread to go from mm 6.0.1 to a custom rom it tells you cm13 but you can install something else instead.
https://forum.xda-developers.com/no...guide-step-step-stock-n910v-6-0-1-to-t3426905

AirForceOnes0010 said:
To the Note 4 community at large, I have officially joined you and am so happy to have done so. I was on a gs3 for 3.5 years and finally upgraded to a LG V10. 2 weeks ago and after 20 months of relatively issue-free use, my V10 bootlooped itself to death in my hand and I immediately took that opportunity to start shopping for a Note 4. (LG replaced the main board for free way beyond their extended warranty because it "wasn't charging through the port"... Whatever, didn't cost me anything but the inconvenience.)
Anyway, I picked up a gently used N4 on ebay for 215 shipped and it just got here this afternoon, already had a glass screen protector, uag case, zerolemon and case and OG box/charger. It came with MM and is on baseband CQD1, which seems pretty far along as far as downgrading/rooting/roaming from reading through the threads available but I obviously wanted to check in with everyone here first for options. Am I screwed as far root/romability? When I bought this phone, I was picturing running a rooted stock rom. I just want the hardware to not be hindered by the software. Currently running Oct-N on my gs3 and for the most part it's all good but the lag makes maps essentially useless. I don't want that for my daily driver, especially on a phone that I've wanted since it released.
Thanks in advance for any advice/helpful pointers, love xda and all it provides through the people here
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Get that bad boy unlocked and come join the party. You just bought the last in a line of kings that began with the s2 skyrocket (first sammie i had lol) and this is my last ....everything beyond this is sim locked w/o the ability to remove the battery . Btw what did/do you think of the lg v series ive heard good things and i do like the secondary display even though its really more of an extension than a 2nd display . Was wondering how it runs comparitively to oh say your note 4 lol

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Get that bad boy unlocked and come join the party. You just bought the last in a line of kings that began with the s2 skyrocket (first sammie i had lol) and this is my last ....everything beyond this is sim locked w/o the ability to remove the battery . Btw what did/do you think of the lg v series ive heard good things and i do like the secondary display even though its really more of an extension than a 2nd display . Was wondering how it runs comparitively to oh say your note 4 lol
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I still need to run the 50+ step gauntlet and unlock it. Bone stock, but setup like my V10 with nova and such, it's just a hair slower. I rarely notice or care. I kept my V10 in case *knock on wood* some tragedy should befall my note but I really like this phone better. The screen is absolutely amazing compared to the v10 and I do occasionally use the s-pen, mostly for writing dimensions on pictures so I can remember sizes of whatever.
I thought the second screen was awesome, mostly with the screen off. One swipe and there's your flashlight button, another swipe and there's your music controls. Paired with a zerolemon, it got epic battery life for not being rooted because I didn't need to turn the screen on as often. I know some people really hate the light bleed from the second screen and it is uselessly dim for notifications so I used the NoLED app to make them more noticeable and had no complaints after that. I solved all my second screen withdrawals by putting a s-view case on the note and haven't looked back. It's more functional and makes it look like a giant ipod classic lol.

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I still need to run the 50+ step gauntlet and unlock it. Bone stock, but setup like my V10 with nova and such, it's just a hair slower. I rarely notice or care. I kept my V10 in case *knock on wood* some tragedy should befall my note but I really like this phone better. The screen is absolutely amazing compared to the v10 and I do occasionally use the s-pen, mostly for writing dimensions on pictures so I can remember sizes of whatever.
I thought the second screen was awesome, mostly with the screen off. One swipe and there's your flashlight button, another swipe and there's your music controls. Paired with a zerolemon, it got epic battery life for not being rooted because I didn't need to turn the screen on as often. I know some people really hate the light bleed from the second screen and it is uselessly dim for notifications so I used the NoLED app to make them more noticeable and had no complaints after that. I solved all my second screen withdrawals by putting a s-view case on the note and haven't looked back. It's more functional and makes it look like a giant ipod classic lol.
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Lol its really only sketchy the first time you unlock it ...and look on the bright side your finally grtting around to learning to use adb minimum (not to mention all root methods after this will feel easy) i had the note 3 and this is the same exploit i used to unlock it so i wasnt shell shocked by the concept of super sketchy temp root) it is a phenomally good idea to use dr. Cools stabalized method to unlock the bootloader (its in the forum somwhere) for at least his method some of his files are outdated and should maybe be updated but his guide is still my personal reference . Also you do not need a verizon sim card ! The note 4 isnt sim locked i used a cricket wireless sim . You do have to manually enter apn info though i found mine at apngeisha.com (really only applies if you want to update to 6.0.1 and above) Good luck !

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I still need to run the 50+ step gauntlet and unlock it. Bone stock, but setup like my V10 with nova and such, it's just a hair slower. I rarely notice or care. I kept my V10 in case *knock on wood* some tragedy should befall my note but I really like this phone better. The screen is absolutely amazing compared to the v10 and I do occasionally use the s-pen, mostly for writing dimensions on pictures so I can remember sizes of whatever.
I thought the second screen was awesome, mostly with the screen off. One swipe and there's your flashlight button, another swipe and there's your music controls. Paired with a zerolemon, it got epic battery life for not being rooted because I didn't need to turn the screen on as often. I know some people really hate the light bleed from the second screen and it is uselessly dim for notifications so I used the NoLED app to make them more noticeable and had no complaints after that. I solved all my second screen withdrawals by putting a s-view case on the note and haven't looked back. It's more functional and makes it look like a giant ipod classic lol.
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Just bought a new n4 and did the 6.1.1 to stock 5.1.1 to unlock and root. Well worth it, phone is so much nicer without bloat and ability to use all the root apps. Its not terribly difficult process just time consuming. Good luck

Hi, I'd suggest you use the Batman Rom by Star53, it combines the features of the note 4 and the s8, it's well developed and battery friendly, it can be found over at the Note 4 Snapdragon forum, and a good kernel with that Rom is modest kernel by Kevintm78, with this setup you'll easily be able to get at least 4 hour SOT

Thanks for all the advice, why I come here really nice having a phone with development still on-going, Verizon v10 forum was very depressing

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Just bought a new n4 and did the 6.1.1 to stock 5.1.1 to unlock and root. Well worth it, phone is so much nicer without bloat and ability to use all the root apps. Its not terribly difficult process just time consuming. Good luck
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Only moderately difficult the very first time. The phone takes root way easier after it has been rooted once.

Get yourself unlocked and once you do, either use MoDestROm or N7. User kevintm78 is the author of MoDestRom and he has released a kernel which is compatible for both ROMs, if I understand correctly. There are actually 4 separate kernel files, you only need one. Basically, there are two kernel files for each ROM, one without, and one WITH ZeroLemon battery compatibility. If you don't use one of these ZL compatible kernels or if you stay on stock rom, then your phone is likely to not read your battery percentage correctly. Moreover, it'll stay at 1% like mine did for quite a few hours, which is extremely annoying, considering the phone goes dim at 3%.
Here's a link to the Kernel thread. - MoDest Kernel
I don't know what else is out there, or what else works with the Note 4 (SM-N910V) in terms of ZeroLemon battery compatibility, so there could be more stuff out there. But I'm fine with this. In fact, I've even inquired about using a different battery, there's an even higher capacity battery, I think 11,800 mAh (ZL is 10,000 mAh), and kevin told me that he thinks it should work fine but this is more than likely untested and more like a theory of his.