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Bubbles under digitizer? No screen protector

Hi all. Quick searching leads me nowhere as there are thousands of problems concerning issues I'm NOT having. Sorry for the crappy 3ds camera pic, it's the only thing I have at my disposal right now besides the phone. As I said in the title, I'm not using a screen protector - this is a stock phone right out of the factory with no accessories, albeit aged a bit.
If you'll take a look, you'll see two screen bubbles. The huge funky-looking one at the top started out looking like the one at the bottom, and grew over a period of a few weeks. The bottom one started out really small and doubled in size to what it is now, but has since stopped.
It's really annoying and starting to bother me, but I was wondering if anyone had experienced similar issues, or has any input whether or not I can maybe fix this thing without having to get a whole new screen/digitizer/whatever. No replacement plans on this phone so gotta figure something else out. Any idea what's going on?

D-Lew said:
Hi all. Quick searching leads me nowhere as there are thousands of problems concerning issues I'm NOT having. Sorry for the crappy 3ds camera pic, it's the only thing I have at my disposal right now besides the phone. As I said in the title, I'm not using a screen protector - this is a stock phone right out of the factory with no accessories, albeit aged a bit.
If you'll take a look, you'll see two screen bubbles. The huge funky-looking one at the top started out looking like the one at the bottom, and grew over a period of a few weeks. The bottom one started out really small and doubled in size to what it is now, but has since stopped.
It's really annoying and starting to bother me, but I was wondering if anyone had experienced similar issues, or has any input whether or not I can maybe fix this thing without having to get a whole new screen/digitizer/whatever. No replacement plans on this phone so gotta figure something else out. Any idea what's going on?
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Is the plastic actually raised up? Can you see it when the screen is off? To me it looks like the digatizer may be going out, but its hard to tell from a pic.

It appears to be sealed and working fine... just has bubbles. I don't really know much about the insides of this phone, but it almost looks as if whatever is behind the digitizer is slightly warped and might be causing some contact with the glass or something like that. Reflections (off what is behind the screen - lcd? Not the reflections off the glass) tend to bend near the bubbles, whereas everywhere else behind the glass is pretty straight.
Essentially it just looks like water droplets or air bubbles forming on the inside surface of the glass, but it's never seen water before. I don't think the digitizer is failing.

Same problem, can I fix this myself?
Hi guys, I have the exact same problem on my HTC Desire. Touch is working fine, the pixels underneath are ok... yet this thing is expanding. What used to be 3 little bubbles near the very corner moved and turned into this amoeba looking thing after a few months.
Here are a few other shots.
Hope someone can let me know the possible verdict? Is it gone? Can it only be repaired by a professional or can I expect to be able to "clean up" the inside of the screen if I dismantle my phone as it is done here?:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1566313

Maybe the liquids from the lcd are boiling from the heat? Sounds dumb but is a possibility
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Yikes. Mine is still having the same issues. I'm thinking about just tearing it down soon and figuring it out myself. A little nervous working on something with such small components. Any tips for a first teardown? I need to get a T6 torx and I've already looked at a couple disassembly guides, was a while ago though.
As far as I can tell, I will have to replace either the digitizer/glass or the LCD. If it's the latter I'll probably just upgrade the phone cause they seem pretty pricey.

Ok, I did what I said and investigated myself. Unfortunately, I broke my phone doing it.
The problem is the front glass/digitizer. I couldn't get the LCD off, but I pried it back enough to see bubbles through the glass looking from the inside.
I broke my LCD prying on it, now I have an ugly black spot. Guess I'll be buying an LCD and a digitizer now. Anybody have some spare ones, or know the cheapest place to get them?

D-Lew said:
Ok, I did what I said and investigated myself. Unfortunately, I broke my phone doing it.
The problem is the front glass/digitizer. I couldn't get the LCD off, but I pried it back enough to see bubbles through the glass looking from the inside.
I broke my LCD prying on it, now I have an ugly black spot. Guess I'll be buying an LCD and a digitizer now. Anybody have some spare ones, or know the cheapest place to get them?
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There are some digitizers on ebay for about $20 USD. i dont know about LCDs cause i never needed to replace mine but i would assume that they would be a little more expensive. Also, make sure you get the digitizer WITH the bezel because it will make your life a ton easier.

I'd better not touch it then
Sorry to hear about your LCD, D-Lew
Guess I wont be touching mine on my own. I'll definitely break it trying to do the same thing as you. I wonder if it's gonna break my phone if I just leave it as is. I mean, apart from the fact that it is there, it is not affecting the performance at all.

The bubble might get bigger. That's all you have to worry about.
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Glass "detaches" itself?

A while ago I read a comment somewhere saying that the glass could get loose/detaches itself slowly.
Now I got my Galaxy Nexus (Amazon Warehouse Deals "like new") and I noticed that the screen budges a little at the upper part.
I searched but I couldn't find any mention of something like this anywhere. Maybe I used the wrong keywords.
Is this a known problem?
Oh, and just a secondary issue:
Is there any way to actually buy something from the amazon appstore from outside the US? The "normal" amazon happily sells me downloads when I enter a fake US adress but it doesn't seem to work with apps.

well obviously the phone you have had the screen replaced, if they dont wanna fix that for free, id seach for a video on youtube on how to do it myself

Not sure if this is what you're referring to, but there was a fairly active thread in the Q&A section about the adhesive failing in the corners of the screen, causing one side of the glass to "lift" from the frame. I'd try to get it replaced.

That's not normal and shouldn't be happening.
That's like saying you heard that there are car manufacturers which have certain models where the wheels fall off. That is a critical hardware failure that I would try getting replaced. It's not acceptable for you to need to worry about your screen coming off, especially if there's been no neglect.
Mine is sturdy as hell and it looks like a fantastic and beautiful piece of hardware. If mine had any defects I'd call in to get it swapped right away. Hope it works out well!

toasterr said:
Not sure if this is what you're referring to, but there was a fairly active thread in the Q&A section about the adhesive failing in the corners of the screen, causing one side of the glass to "lift" from the frame.
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Guess that could be it.
Seems like I don't have luck with this phone. The first "like new" Nexus I bought had a deep scratch on the glass. And the Bootloader was unlocked.
Guess amazon doesn't inspect their returns too closely.
Oh, and what's the deal with this fortified glass? There are countless people reporting that they don't use any protection at all but still have a scratch free screen after weeks. While I already have 2 light scratches after barely 24 hours. I don't even know how this could have possibly happened.
It was either in it's pouch or in my hands.
Other people stab that thing with a knife and nothing happens while I get 2 scratches just by looking at it...

[Q] Does your device creak?

I got my note 4 days ago. At first everything was ok, but yesterday I noticed my device is terribly creaking. Almost every time I touch the back it sounds like the plastic would break a little bit (Although I don't think it would actually break).
Do you have the same issues? Or should I sent it back and get a new one, since it's really annoying me...?
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Nope.

Gasaraki- said:
Nope.
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This ^

ArticFox918 said:
This ^
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This x2.

yanni_puffin said:
I got my note 4 days ago. At first everything was ok, but yesterday I noticed my device is terribly creaking. Almost every time I touch the back it sounds like the plastic would break a little bit (Although I don't think it would actually break).
Do you have the same issues? Or should I sent it back and get a new one, since it's really annoying me...?
Thank you )
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Mine creaks a little in the bottom right corner. Everything else is fine. I think it's the plastic back giving a bit. I had this on the Nexus 10 as well.

Creaking is for Hollween not for my Tablet!
yanni_puffin said:
I got my note 4 days ago. At first everything was ok, but yesterday I noticed my device is terribly creaking. Almost every time I touch the back it sounds like the plastic would break a little bit (Although I don't think it would actually break).
Do you have the same issues? Or should I sent it back and get a new one, since it's really annoying me...?
Thank you )
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Yes, When I held the tablet with my left hand to touch the screen with my right it creaked like a rock band with bad music! Geeish.....the silver chrome or whatever the material is wasn't tight and it just bend. I returned it right away. I really didn't want to return it. However, I paid full price and not second hand money so I expect the performance to be right, that means no noise. When listening to music or watching a movie it seems as if someone was moving around and that can be pretty annoying. I tried holding it different ways with no change. So back it went. Let Samsung sell. This I know imagine you trying to sell it to the next person, what do you think they might say and how much will the value go down?
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yanni_puffin said:
I got my note 4 days ago. At first everything was ok, but yesterday I noticed my device is terribly creaking. Almost every time I touch the back it sounds like the plastic would break a little bit (Although I don't think it would actually break).
Do you have the same issues? Or should I sent it back and get a new one, since it's really annoying me...?
Thank you )
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Yes, As soon as I opened the package, I noticed the bottom right hand corner was creaking an popping. It is not like I was looking for it. That made me investigate if the rest of the trim was doing the same. If you put your mind into into it, you can get some creaking from other ends of the trim but nothing like the bottom right hand corner. Every time I pick it up, it is annoying me so much that I feel I should take it back. I am not sure the guys at PCWorld would accept this as a reason for full money back or replacement claim. I do like the tablet, but do not want a noisy plastic in my hands.
Is this enough of a reason to ask for a replacement?

kashbg said:
Yes, As soon as I opened the package, I noticed the bottom right hand corner was creaking an popping. It is not like I was looking for it. That made me investigate if the rest of the trim was doing the same. If you put your mind into into it, you can get some creaking from other ends of the trim but nothing like the bottom right hand corner. Every time I pick it up, it is annoying me so much that I feel I should take it back. I am not sure the guys at PCWorld would accept this as a reason for full money back or replacement claim. I do like the tablet, but do not want a noisy plastic in my hands.
Is this enough of a reason to ask for a replacement?
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Sadly I dont think it is (pure guess so dont take my word for it) BUT I can 100% say that your Tablet will have a little bit of lightbleed along the bottom and sides....this alone is a good enough reason for them to accept and exchange - Good luck.

Geordie Affy said:
Sadly I dont think it is (pure guess so dont take my word for it) BUT I can 100% say that your Tablet will have a little bit of lightbleed along the bottom and sides....this alone is a good enough reason for them to accept and exchange - Good luck.
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Hi,
Could you please elaborate on the light bleed issue. How do you determine if you have a light bleed and what is the significance of it.
Regards,

kashbg said:
Hi,
Could you please elaborate on the light bleed issue. How do you determine if you have a light bleed and what is the significance of it.
Regards,
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Put screen britghness to 100% and open this http://www.net-tracker.net/android/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/black_bg_1024x768.png, make sure it covers the entire screen inc notifications part and then switch off your lights in your room and you will then see light bleed, Its nothing major and common on LCD'S but it is a valid reason for a return/exchange.
I had lightbleeding on my first note but I found it to be acceptable however on my 2nd tablet I found the bleeding to be excessive and off putting so I got a refund from John Lewis,
Anyways this thread should give you an idea too - best of luck :good: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2554094

Geordie Affy said:
Put screen britghness to 100% and open this http://www.net-tracker.net/android/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/black_bg_1024x768.png, make sure it covers the entire screen inc notifications part and then switch off your lights in your room and you will then see light bleed, Its nothing major and common on LCD'S but it is a valid reason for a return/exchange.
I had lightbleeding on my first note but I found it to be acceptable however on my 2nd tablet I found the bleeding to be excessive and off putting so I got a refund from John Lewis,
Anyways this thread should give you an idea too - best of luck :good: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2554094
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Thanks,

Nope, no creaking and barely any noticeable light bleed (Just 2 spots on the bottom i have to tilt to see)

Eric214 said:
Nope, no creaking and barely any noticeable light bleed (Just 2 spots on the bottom i have to tilt to see)
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mine creaking along left side

funfun99999 said:
mine creaking along left side
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same here

Got mine 2 weeks ago, and it sounds like a bowl of snap, crackel, and pop, sitting on bubble wrap.
If i look at it wrong, it makes noises. I might take it back and have them look at it... see if that warrants an exchange.
Sent from my freekin huge Note 10.1 ?

Eric214 said:
Nope, no creaking and barely any noticeable light bleed (Just 2 spots on the bottom i have to tilt to see)
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If your one is not creaking then this definitely should be a rightful exchange claim for all those unfortunate to pick up badly put together tablets.
I am even considering getting my money back and going the Apple way. Excellent build quality, and I know that because I got some for the kids.

yeah maybe idk. Sammy is also known for build issues lately so you have to really inspect before you take home. The Note 3 home button is all wonky and wobbly on a lot of units.

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yeah maybe idk.
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Sorry for the question, but what is "idk" in your post?
Having a creaking case, would that get worse in terms of speading all around the tablet's trim?
Any experiences but no guesses please!

kashbg said:
Sorry for the question, but what is "idk" in your post?
Having a creaking case, would that get worse in terms of speading all around the tablet's trim?
Any experiences but no guesses please!
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"IDK" means "I Dont Know".

I guess if the creaking was coming from say a loose glass to the digitizer i think it could be something that spreads. Since if the glass isn't glued down well enough i could see slight dust getting in there and causing more separation over time. I doubt this is the case as you'd see bubbling at the edges if that was happening.

[Q] Border distortion with stylus

I've noticed a skewing while using the stylus near the border of the bezel. Lets say 2cm in. First I thought it's because of a parallax effect and respectively the mismatch upon where you actually hold the stylus and what you see on the screen. But then i made a test with a ruler, drawing straight lines across the screwn. Here the effect is clearly visible on aforementioned areas.
This is particularly annyoing if you annotate on the sides of a pdf as in trying to follow the skew, you screw up the handwriting to no avail. Does someone else also have this problem or can try to replicate it?

darfcak said:
I've noticed a skewing while using the stylus near the border of the bezel. Lets say 2cm in. First I thought it's because of a parallax effect and respectively the mismatch upon where you actually hold the stylus and what you see on the screen. But then i made a test with a ruler, drawing straight lines across the screwn. Here the effect is clearly visible on aforementioned areas.
This is particularly annyoing if you annotate on the sides of a pdf as in trying to follow the skew, you screw up the handwriting to no avail. Does someone else also have this problem or can try to replicate it?
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I just noticed I also have this problem, when I turn the cursor to make it visible it off-set in certain area's. Anyone have this who had it replaced?

Is this not caused by a case having magnets that are too powerful
If neither of you have cases then obviously a fault.

i thought all devices have this problem, mine does and the one at best buy did too. I have a case but it's foldable and the magnets are not near the case when the device is stood up. It's minor, but it's there.
So, who doesn't have this issue when then test the edges using a straight edge.

Just tried it right now and noticed it happens on my tablet too. I'm pretty sure these aren't isolated cases and all the tablets do this. The surface pro 2 which uses the same digitizer also does this.
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I'm not using a case and it also happens on my tablet.

So we have here 3 different opinions. Once classified as a defect, once as a cause of using magnets in a case and twice to be normal behaviour. Thx all for testing it out. On my part, I confess to have used a preliminary sleeve with magnets on the closing flap. Though only for two weeks and I'm not sure if it is causal as making permanent "damage". I now use a 360° case with no magnets.

The magnets are not near the area it happens and I also noticed it's not necessarily isolated to the sides There are a couple spots closer to the middle that it occurs on also. Is this classified as a defect covered by the warranty?
Also, as far as the magnets go does it generally happen only when the magnets are close or is it that once a magnet got close once the problem will always be there?

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The magnets are not near the area it happens and I also noticed it's not necessarily isolated to the sides There are a couple spots closer to the middle that it occurs on also. Is this classified as a defect covered by the warranty?
Also, as far as the magnets go does it generally happen only when the magnets are close or is it that once a magnet got close once the problem will always be there?
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From what we know so far it's not supposed to do any permanent damage.
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I am a new user of this tablet, and I can assure you, it's not caused by magnets or cases. Mine arrived a couple of weeks ago, and due to some mail incidents, the case and other accessories that I bought for it haven't arrived yet.
So, I have been storing it on its box, on a table that is away from any electronic device or magnet, and it has this issue. I have noticed it most prominently on the included SketchBook app. That leaves us with 2 options: An issue that is inherent to this tablet/digitizer or a widespread bug.

Happens for me too. But very faint, like a few pixels. I think the touchscreen driver could use an update... There are other issues with it as well as you can see in this forum..

Do you have very small mini hairs on the screen?

I have 3 very very thin ones on the flexible screen that can only be seen in the backlight, do you have any? Do you see it as a problem?

I have many of them. I have used my fold very carefully, but they keep cumming. I think there will be many more, but i dont care. I dont see them when the screen is on.

morten1708 said:
I have many of them. I have used my fold very carefully, but they keep cumming. I think there will be many more, but i dont care. I dont see them when the screen is on.
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Thanks friend

kevin_23 said:
I have 3 very very thin ones on the flexible screen that can only be seen in the backlight, do you have any? Do you see it as a problem?
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You have a picture you could post to possible show it? Not to be conflictive but are you sure it's not just tiny scratches?

Yes ?

GallardosEggrollShop said:
You have a picture you could post to possible show it? Not to be conflictive but are you sure it's not just tiny scratches?
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I think he means hairline scratches.

AlanJC said:
I think he means hairline scratches.
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Ah, gotcha. Then I have a million of those on my screen from who knows where. At least they don't show up when the screen is on.

I did not notice this until recently on my Fold. Now it seems like I find a new scratch every other day. I just ordered a screen protector for the inside screen. It was recommended in this forum and people have used it without issue. We'll see how it goes, but I don't want it to get scratches all over:
https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https://www.ebay.com/ulk/itm/283631210480

I have had my fold exactly one month and the main screen is absolutely pristine, not a mark on it. I Keep the device in the official leather case around the house/ workplace and in a pouch as well when it is in my pocket to keep out any dust or lint.

i think OP needs to specify certain things. we need more context.
are you using a case? or protective sleeve?
are your pockets dirty?
if you don't have a proper protective case, maybe some dust/lint from your pockets migrated into the middle crack while folded, and you then went to use the screen without noticing.
maybe you had left your nails long one day, and happened to get into it in a game or something. gaming tends to make you press harder than you should.
i somehow highly doubt they magically appear from "regular" use.

I don't have any on my screen, you possible got those whilst cleaning the screen with an old cloth.
I'll be surprised if you get hairline scratches by regular use.