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So, you are thinking 'not again the *** apps2sd n00b question', but here I am
I did some research on XDA and the rest of the internet though, but nobody seems to have this problem.
I have a rooted Desire with DeFrost 6.0. With it, it is very easy to install your apps on the SD-card. I have only 8 apps on the ROM itself, but those are widgets and apps with notifications like Facebook (notifications don't work if they are installed on de sd-card is my experience).
The rest of my applications are installed on the sd-card (around 80 apps). But the problem is that all apps also have a piece of dalvikCache on the ROM as well. You all know that of course. For instance, I installed Documents To Go (5MB) on the sd-card. It also has 5MB dalvikCache on the ROM, so thats double the price .
Now if people ask here 'is it safe to move the cache to the sd-card', most of you say 'unless you want to show off how much empty space you have on your phone, I would just keep it on the phone'. But I do not have any free space.
With DiskUsage I can see that I have around 150 MB of data: 26MB system data, 15MB free space (and he is already nagging the telephone is running out of space), and more than 100MB of applications, with most of it is dalvikCache.
So is this normal? Is 80 apps really the max you can have?
My biggets app is by the way Documents To Go (5MB), and I had to delete it. So I don't have very big apps.
Just want to know how much apps you guys have
Thanks.
How have you forced the Dalvik Cache to stay on the phone memory and why/how have you copied your widgets on your phone memory?
PS: Do you use an EXT3 Partition or the Froyo legacy A2SD?
It's not unusual to move dalvik cache as well as the app. You will need root though, and then just partition your sd-card and install a rom with a2sd+. The only /data/data will take up space on the phone.
UpSpin said:
How have you forced the Dalvik Cache to stay on the phone memory and why/how have you copied your widgets on your phone memory?
PS: Do you use an EXT3 Partition or the Froyo legacy A2SD?
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I didn't do anything to force the cache to stay on de phone. But it's normal the dalvikCache is on the phone memory right?
I use defrost 6.0 and in it you can go to settings > applications > manage applicatons, an you can move all your apps to the sd-card. I'm not sure what kind of A2SD that is.
I move any applications with widgets to my phone memory, because otherwise widgets don't work anymore if you reboot your phone.
@mortenmhp: But also a lot of people do not recommend to move the dalvikcache. Is it safe to do?
you're confusing a few things:
APPS2SD:
There are two methods used at the moment.
The Froyo method, made by Google, which you use at the moment. It installs the app on the phone memory and is able to outsource a small amount of data to the FAT32 partition on your SD-card. It does create failures with apps that use widgets or run in the background.
The A2SD+ method, integrated in DeFroST and almost every other custom ROM. You have to create an EXT3 partition on your SD card (use ROM manager for this) and then reflash the rom. After that it gets activated automatically. All apps and also the dalvik cache gets moved on the EXT3 partition on your SD card. You don't have to and you shouldn't move any apps around afterwards with the Froyo A2SD described above. Only some small data gets stored by the apps itself on the internal phone memory.
Moving the dalvik cache is safe. Maybe you confuse it with SWAP? Which isn't necessary on the HTC Desire.
ok, this is a little confusing
I'm running defrost
let's suppose that I installed the firefox app.
the diskusage tool tells me that it takes 13,4 MB in internal memory.
in applications settings, I have the option to move the app to sd card.
When I do this, my available memory does not change (102 mb)
Does that mean that firefox was already on the sd card ?
In that case how do I know what eats up my data storage ?
Thanks for precisions ?
Do you use A2SD+ together with an EXT3 partition.
If so, every app you install will get installed on the EXT3 partition on your SD-card together with the Dalvik cache, instead of your internal phone memory. If you move this app with the Froyo A2SD tool to the SD card then you'll move the app from the EXT3 partition to your FAT32 partition, stupid.
However, every app, while running, creates some temporary data files. Those files remain on the internal phone memory. And maybe Firefox mobile creates some huge data files, but the main app is installed on the EXT3 partition, now, because you moved it with Froyo A2SD, a small part is installed on the EXT3 partition and some part, the moved on the FAT32 partition. The created data remains untouched.
I had 106 MB free internal memory. Then I installed Firefox and still had 106MB free. I started Firefox, 103 MB free.
Diskusage tells me Firefox needs 2.81MB internal memory. 2.81MB of this is data.
In the Android app settings android tells me Firefox occupies 16.19 MB, 13.38 MB for the app, 2.81 MB data.
So those 13.38 MB are located on the EXT3 partition. If I move Firefox now, parts of the 13.38 MB get moved from the SD card to the SD card.
Ah, I get it now. Thank you very much. I did everything you said, so it should be ok now. So there is no need anymore to move apps, with widgets for instance, to the memory of the phone?
Thanks!
If you use app2sd with the ext partition now, then no, you don't have to move any app or widget around, and you shouldn't.
With Quick System Info you can check how much free space is left on your ext partition.
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hey everyone
i have rooted my phone and installed cyanongen mod7, the fact is that i followed the noobprrof tutorial, and as he stated i partitioned my sd card, i left 1 gb ( its a 4gb memory now its divided to 3 and 1 ), but i didnt know where did it go and why i did partition my sd card, i thought it would add up to internal memory but it didnt...
please can anyone tell me whats the purpose of paritioning it ?? and how can i let apps get installed on this paritioned part if its purpose is so...
thanks in advance
It's for a2sd, it doesn't add up in internal memory, if you want to check if it's there download quick sytem info from the market, it's purpose is to store apps on your sd(mainly, there's always some data left.) for example when i had stock 2.2 froyo on my desire non rooted, i couldn't have more than 165-170 apps, now i have 379 and ext is also for the rom itself, like a sense rom doesn't fit totally on the system partion, so the part which doesn't fit is on your sd
Hope you understand it
thank u, i actually understood wut ur saying
for instance, i have downloaded games and stuff, now the phone says that the phonememory is on low storage, i still have like 30 mb... i tend to move apps from phone to sd card...
incase all internal memory is used will it conitinue installing on the 1gb i have paritioned... and is it just a notification that doesnt effect anything...
i also would like to ask if i can i can automatically download & install the apps from the market on the sd card...
thanks again
ps: i checked the system info and yes it is there... a2sd 0.96gb and 0.9gb free
It's not just like that
If you install an app for instance google earth, it's around 24mb, 300-400kb will stay on your phone and the rest will go to that partition automatically, although some apps like this iBeer i installed is fully on sd, it depends, but if you're low on memory just move some apps manually to your sd(this doesn't make them move to the ext but fat32 partition(the part that windows can see). If you just insert a SD and applt android's app2sd not a lot of the app will go to the sd, on the other hand the a2sd implied in rom's doesn't give you limitless place till you sd is full. If you want that apply data2sd, that adds to the internal memory as you thought
the max apps you can put on your desire with a2sd is max 400 i think, as i can't move any app manually to sd, and i have 35mb left with 379 apps
hope u understand it even better now
ok i did move the apps 2 sdcard, but they are moved to the 3gb partition and not the 1gb partition which i cant see, i only want to know what is the purpose of this 1gb that i made due to the tutorial... since i cant move apps to it or even put files on via usb ( as music and stuff )... then why is it created... ??
ps : the 1 gb is ext4 the 3gb is the fat32
i really wish there was some thread explaining all , maybe i would have let ur life easier hehe, im sory but im new on android...
thanks again
What did you use to create the 1gb partition? Did you use something like mini partition .. under windows?
I had a hell of a time trying to get it to work this way (if you did) the solution i found was to get the gparted live cd (google it) and run the partitioning wizard on that and the auto apps2sd will work.
The point of doing it is that some roms need more space than the desire has, I'm using insert coin and it needs a proparly formatted ext3 to work to fit the whole rom onto the phone.
Have you checked using quick system info to see if the a2sd storage is being recognised?
hey amriving
actually i did divide my sd card with gparted, everythings going great, but the fact that i cant use the 1000 mb ext2 partition (app2sd) is wut im asking about... (total of 4gb memory)
i mean when i move the apps to sd card they go to the 3gb fat32 space i have, and not the 1gb i partitioned...
so what i want to know is what is the purpose of this (app2sd) 1gb ext2 partition, how can i use it
i checked the system info and i found that there is 0.96gb of the app2sd partition and there is free 0.9 gb,
i have cyanogen mod7 rom
and thanks for the reply
Don't move it to sd, i think you didn't understood me, it does it automatically, just install a app, look at it's size, then delete it, you'll see that not that size went away from your memory but much less
You can't use it through windows, only if you have linux you'll be able to see inside the ext also with root explorer( go to recovery and then mounts then press mount EXT )
And they go to the 1GB partition. There will be an android.secure in your sd with apps, but if it wouldn't work, i wouldn't have 55mb android.secure with 390 apps now! and just 100mb free on 1.4GB ext, Just don't question this anymore, download 100 apps, you'll see it very well then if you don't then you obviously have a problem
thanks everyone
android.secure is on 3gb fat32 not the 1 gb ext...
i also went to recovery its on mount sd ext...
guys what i want to know is why when moving the apps to sdcard, they are going to 3gb fat32 partition instead of 1gb ext4 partition...
is nt it supposed to go to 1gb ext4 partition ?! which is the reason every android user is doing for ... ?
i have checked the ap2sd and yes it is there
android.secure file is in 3gb partition not the 1gb ext4 partition
No no you didn't understand me, look normally with 160 apps would your phone memory be full, and your android.secure(on the 3gb partition) be large, now it shouldn't be very big anymore, because for example city story is 23mb, 1mb on phone memory and 22 on ext. normally this would be 5-10 mb on phone memory and remainder on the 3gb(fat32 partition) now this is most of the times divided over the 3 or just in ext and phone memory, and the main reason is a lot of the app goes on the ext
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F*S Even i, a noob understood it 3 times allready..
btw this answers my final question here
listen(more like read), i'll try to resimplify the answer for you, think of an android app as a windows app.
a windows app is Commonly installed in 3 - yes THREE seprate location at once!
1. Main Program Files - C:\program files\<APP NAME HERE>
this contains all the app's inner working, modules, GUI, sound, pictures and stuff - most of the app is located here so this folder is 'heavy'
2. appdata - C:\Users\<USER NAME HERE>\appdata\<Local \ Roaming>\<APP NAME HERE>
this may contain any setting, saves, projects, and temp files for the app to use.
so only some parts make it here - litewight but still takes up space..
3. Registry - run>regedit.exe
this is sort of a log file for all windows operation, installaions, apps location and sometimes even app settings
again litewight but takes place..
SAME WITH ANDROID - sort of..
an android app contains Resource Data - like program files, the 'exeutable', settings, modules, critical data for the exeutable and more..
and so when you use the traditional APPS2SD that comes Froyo+ ( settings>apps>google earth>move to SD/PHONE )
all the non-critical data and resources move to the SD fat32 patition.
all the remaining critical data, 'exeutable' and stuff remain on the internal memory which still takes up valuable internal space, that's where a2sd+ comes in, as mentioned before, a2sd+ again moves to rest of the remaining appdata to the ext, and only tiny critical part of the app remains on the internal memory - therefor you get to install many apps until you internal memory fills up or the ext fills up, this time only the absolute critical app files that cant be moved to the ext OR the fat32..
as TopGear63z said:
most of the times divided over the 3 or just in ext and phone memory, and the main reason is a lot of the app goes on the ext
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data2sd extends your internal storage..
a2sd+ lets you install more aps
EXPERTS: Please verify my answer as i am also a noob and this is my understanding on the subject, i maybe very wrong or very right
PS: Why double post
thankyou asaf400
actually i know all this and i really appreciate ur reply
but wut i wanted is to install apps on ext, and actually i found it i downloaded simple2ext app and now i have 150mb free internal memory, see now all apps are on ext part of the memory card... this is what i wanted to know...
thanks all
or you could just flash a data2sd based custom rom like droidzone's starburst or gingerburst... you'll get upto 2gb of internal memory from the start
Hi everyone,
I've installed today the last release of LaidbackNikez JB Rom after a full wipe.
I have a sd-ext partition of 512 Mo.
I followed the install instructions and run a2sd install yny, reboot, and when I restore my apps with TB I have an out of space error.
It seems that a2sd doesn't work.
Anyone have a solution for that ?
512MB is quite small, A2SD could be working as it should, and you may have literally just run out of space...
uninstall something to make room, then install an app like 'diskusage' to browse all your partitions (can do this for any rom), you may find your ext partition full as it contains apps and dalvik-cache
i would backup your sd card, and repartition your sd with a larger ext4 partition (1 to 2GB max depending on how many apps you have), using gparted or 4ext recovery only
Not Enough Space
eddiehk6 said:
512MB is quite small, A2SD could be working as it should, and you may have literally just run out of space...
uninstall something to make room, then install an app like 'diskusage' to browse all your partitions (can do this for any rom), you may find your ext partition full as it contains apps and dalvik-cache
i would backup your sd card, and repartition your sd with a larger ext4 partition (1 to 2GB max depending on how many apps you have), using gparted or 4ext recovery only
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I have exactly the same problem. It has been working fine since ICS Beta Rom started with 10 till 18.1, both releases of JB Pre-Alpha 7 & 8. But after upgrading to Alpha 9, I can't restore my backups tooo... I get an error "Not enough space"
Have a Sandisk 16GB Class 4 card, that was working fine till now. Also tried a Tanscend 16GB Class10 card. Same issue. I just go to settings>>Apps, I can see them on the Internal Memory only.
I've discovered on my nexus one, with a2sd yny and a tiny cache partition, that app cache is stored in the data partition. along with app data of course. This is what has caused me to run out space even though I still had plenty of sd-ext remaining.
anyone experiencing this issue will need to run the df command from a terminal or install an app that tells them the usage of each partition. if you have a large enough sd-ext, rerunning a2sd with yyy (ie. moving app data to sd-ext) should solve your problems.
Dear XDA forum,
since a few roms i always get a "low on storage" warning, even after factory reset and flashing a new rom.
So i'd want to ask for a small summery of what storage there is inside the desire and on the sdcard and how to solve this problem
My sdcard is 16GB class 10. I didnt partition it manually (i think).
according to my desire it has effective 14.2gb.about 2gb are used and 4gb are free? that doesnt sound right.
so i guess its 2 partitions?
could anyone please tell me which mountpoint is which?
and how do i solve the low storage problem? do i need some a2sd script or do i have to more the internal storage to the sdcard?
which mountpoints do the scripts actarlly move?
i have no problem with repartitioning my sdcard. i was given to understand that u usually need a fat32 partition (for apps i guess) and an ext2/3 partition afterwards. some scripts even allow a swap partition at the end of the sdcard to be used as swap space. is that a good idea?
i know its a lot of questions :/ but i hope for some good answers :>
thanks & greetings,
soomon
my advice would be to backup your sd card and (re)partition using gparted, start from scratch because I don't know what your current configuration is, step 5 here
choose ext3/ext4 partition (max ~1.5GB) depending on rom requirements, most support ext4 and should be slightly faster. most roms don't need swap partition.
in simple terms, your space will get taken up by apps (apks), dalvik cache, app cache and app data. most custom roms will automatically move apks to your sd-ext partition. there are various different scripts which move the other bits around. generally it is better to keep app data on internal (/data partition)
regardless of which rom you choose, use an app like 'diskusage' to browse all your partitions, so you can work out where and how all your space is being use.
to maximise space you also need to be s-off and correct hboot for the rom (again should be stated within each rom thread, or search within it)
ok so the first partition on the sdcard will become my sd-ext which will replace the /data partition on the internal storage.
I guess is hould try data2sd then?
with a class 10 it should not get that slow and i get loads of space on that partition.
thanks for your help.
also use links2d,very usefull.....
hi again,
as i see in a terminal emulator by typing "df -h"
my data is 150mb and has 15mb left, so i guess i better moe the whole partition to the sdcard as i'd have to move all the apps to the sdcard anyway sooner or later.
my /system has only 5mb of 250mb left. is that a problem?
soomon said:
hi again,
as i see in a terminal emulator by typing "df -h"
my data is 150mb and has 15mb left, so i guess i better moe the whole partition to the sdcard as i'd have to move all the apps to the sdcard anyway sooner or later.
my /system has only 5mb of 250mb left. is that a problem?
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depends entirely what rom you're running if any, and what scripts it uses. basically you should be able to find some way to install many apps without running out of space (one of the main reasons for rooting in the first place ).
with your current setup, you could try something like link2sd to just move apps and dalvik to sd, see if you have enough space that way. you shouldnt have to manually 'move to sd', keeping them on 'internal' tricks them to sd-ext. (you can use something like 'diskusage' to check they're actually on the sd-ext)
the system partition is meant to be mostly full. free space on /system is wasted space.
you're still on stock hboot, which is why your data partition is so small.
if you install another rom, many of them have a smaller system size, so if you're s-off you can flash a different hboot to repartition your internal memory layout: your system size will reduce to roughly match your rom, and the saved space is converted into extra data space, see alpharev.nl for hboots.
e.g. if your rom system is 140MB, will fit nicely into cm7r2 hboot with 145MB system, and you get 287MB of data instead of 150MB. 287MB can be enough to store app data and dalvik cache if you don't have too many apps.
i refer you to these sets of guides for further reading, should explain a lot more, and better than i have...
thanks eddie,
i'm still s-on and stock hboot, but i use a custom rom: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1766550
i guess the problem is that LBE gues 4 and lookout together need over 22mb of space :/
i'll try link2sd then.
thanks!
hm.. when i try to install link2sd i get "insufficient storage available". that program is not even 1MB in size and i have 15mb of free space on the internal storage.. what can i do?
edit: i'll try to install it at home with an adb tool. maybe i have more luck with that.
follow instructions for a2sd with that rom (scroll down). this will move apps and dalvik to sd-ext automatically. or follow/search the thread for other methods, it's regularly discussed...
[not used link2sd, it should in theory do the same thing, but my advice would be to stick with the instructions as that's the recommended way if you really need/want to install link2sd...uninstall something else to make more space ]
ofc removing apps might help (althrough i only installed 2 or 3). but 15mb should be enough to install a 800kb software
gonna try to install some apps later after running a2sd.
thanks a lot man didnt see that information.
I've read on here that people are able to install lots of apps without clogging their memory on their phone, placing all their info on their sd cards. can someone help me do that? I've already have app2card and other apps to clear up memory but things still start to take up the phone memory.
I've done the search and can't figure this one out. i'm using the atomic rom and I believe my phone is rooted. thank you.
legacygt777 said:
I've read on here that people are able to install lots of apps without clogging their memory on their phone, placing all their info on their sd cards. can someone help me do that? I've already have app2card and other apps to clear up memory but things still start to take up the phone memory.
I've done the search and can't figure this one out. i'm using the atomic rom and I believe my phone is rooted. thank you.
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Well, even if apps is moved to sd, their odex files will still occupy space in dalvik-cache. If you have many apps, internal space will surely be low.
I'm using DiskUsage app to see what is taking space in internal memory.
Here is some hints from me that can help you with internal memory problems:
-clear your apps cashe and data from time to time (obviously, you can do that for not so important apps, but not for games, because you will loose your progress)
-Most GB roms are not big in term of size, so there are lot of space left in /system (sometimes even more then 100MB). You can install some of your apps to system (move them from /data/app to /system/app).
-Reodex your rom. You'll get 30MB+ if you reodex just framework folder, even more if you reodex all system apps. (so all odex files will be in system partition, not in dalvik-cache (data partition)
-Finaly, you can unlock your bootloader and flash custom kernels (lupus or turbo kernel) that can increase you data partition to 610MB
Bakisha said:
Well, even if apps is moved to sd, their odex files will still occupy space in dalvik-cache. If you have many apps, internal space will surely be low.
I'm using DiskUsage app to see what is taking space in internal memory.
Here is some hints from me that can help you with internal memory problems:
-clear your apps cashe and data from time to time (obviously, you can do that for not so important apps, but not for games, because you will loose your progress)
-Most GB roms are not big in term of size, so there are lot of space left in /system (sometimes even more then 100MB). You can install some of your apps to system (move them from /data/app to /system/app).
-Reodex your rom. You'll get 30MB+ if you reodex just framework folder, even more if you reodex all system apps. (so all odex files will be in system partition, not in dalvik-cache (data partition)
-Finaly, you can unlock your bootloader and flash custom kernels (lupus or turbo kernel) that can increase you data partition to 610MB
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thanks! i'm really happy with my atomic 7 gb rom so I don't think I will flash a new one (at the moment). I have abou 120mb left in my internal memory....is that pretty good? will reodexing your rom slow down the system?
appreciate the feedback.
legacygt777 said:
thanks! i'm really happy with my atomic 7 gb rom so I don't think I will flash a new one (at the moment). I have abou 120mb left in my internal memory....is that pretty good? will reodexing your rom slow down the system?
appreciate the feedback.
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120MB is OK. Actually, it's all ok untill first thing you want to install fail due low space. Then you can think of things posted above.
No, reodexing rom won't slow your phone.
I think your referring to Link2sd. I have about 300 games/apps installed and still have loads of space. Look up link2sd in the market and follow the instructions. You need to format your sdcard and use minitool partition to make am ext2 or ext3 or ext4. I use ext2 foe the partition. Make it around 1-2gb in size. I made mine 3gb. The rest is fat32 format for your sdcard. When you install links it will ask what ext type it is. 2,3,4 etc. Select the format and it will install the script them reboot from that point all installed apps will be linked to that partition. Freeing up a lot of space. Like instead of a few megabytes of storage its more like a couple kilobytes as its just a file telling your phone where to look foe the application or game on your ext partition.
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I think your referring to Link2sd. I have about 300 games/apps installed and still have loads of space. Look up link2sd in the market and follow the instructions. You need to format your sdcard and use minitool partition to make am ext2 or ext3 or ext4. I use ext2 foe the partition. Make it around 1-2gb in size. I made mine 3gb. The rest is fat32 format for your sdcard. When you install links it will ask what ext type it is. 2,3,4 etc. Select the format and it will install the script them reboot from that point all installed apps will be linked to that partition. Freeing up a lot of space. Like instead of a few megabytes of storage its more like a couple kilobytes as its just a file telling your phone where to look foe the application or game on your ext partition.
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1)just downloaded link2 sd
2)ok baby steps here....how do I format card?
3)"use minitool partition to make am ext2 or ext3 or ext4" - how do I do this? is that an app?
thanks man....much appreciated.
legacygt777 said:
1)just downloaded link2 sd
2)ok baby steps here....how do I format card?
3)"use minitool partition to make am ext2 or ext3 or ext4" - how do I do this? is that an app?
thanks man....much appreciated.
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First, make a backup of your sd card to PC.
Minitool is program for PC. Tutorial how to use it (with download links) is at http://forum.xda-developers.com/wiki/SD_card_partitioning
ozzmanj1 said:
I think your referring to Link2sd. I have about 300 games/apps installed and still have loads of space. Look up link2sd in the market and follow the instructions. You need to format your sdcard and use minitool partition to make am ext2 or ext3 or ext4. I use ext2 foe the partition. Make it around 1-2gb in size. I made mine 3gb. The rest is fat32 format for your sdcard. When you install links it will ask what ext type it is. 2,3,4 etc. Select the format and it will install the script them reboot from that point all installed apps will be linked to that partition. Freeing up a lot of space. Like instead of a few megabytes of storage its more like a couple kilobytes as its just a file telling your phone where to look foe the application or game on your ext partition.
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so do I partition (say ext2) first? and make it 3g. then I format the rest of the space fat32?
sorry if this is so basic.
legacygt777 said:
so do I partition (say ext2) first? and make it 3g. then I format the rest of the space fat32?
sorry if this is so basic.
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also is the ext2 my primary?
the rest of it "logical"?
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