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I've stumbled across a number of postings that mentioned people get a maximum throughput of 65Mbps with the Wifi N mode on the Desire. That would make sense as it likely only utilizes 2.4GHz with limited internal antenna capabilities.
What it also means is that 802.11n is pretty pointless compared to 802.11g which already provides data rates of 54Mbps, and reportedly consumes less battery power.
It was also reported that the official Froyo release already activated 802.11n mode, which would make further modifications unnecessary.
My questions in the interest of throwing anything related to 802.11n out of the ROM:
1) does Froyo indeed include N support? (I don't have a N router and can not test it)
2) is N indeed limited to a max data rate of only 65 Mbps on the Desire?
Thanks for reading and hopefully feedback
Mac
I have an 802.11n router and gets a max of only 65 mbps transfer rate using Froyo. I have since disabled N support on my Desire to save some batt life.
Using Pays Froyo 1.9 with enabled N and connecting up to 72Mb/s.
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mmaacc said:
I've stumbled across a number of postings that mentioned people get a maximum throughput of 65Mbps with the Wifi N mode on the Desire. That would make sense as it likely only utilizes 2.4GHz with limited internal antenna capabilities.
What it also means is that 802.11n is pretty pointless compared to 802.11g which already provides data rates of 54Mbps, and reportedly consumes less battery power.
It was also reported that the official Froyo release already activated 802.11n mode, which would make further modifications unnecessary.
My questions in the interest of throwing anything related to 802.11n out of the ROM:
1) does Froyo indeed include N support? (I don't have a N router and can not test it)
2) is N indeed limited to a max data rate of only 65 Mbps on the Desire?
Thanks for reading and hopefully feedback
Mac
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Not sure about anyone else, but with 802.11g the phone will connect at roughly half signal to my router, speeds of about 20-25mbps, when i connect via 802.11n the signal is much better and it connect at full 65mbps, though yeah i never get above 65mbps, i think this has to do with the antenna arangement, 802.11n had 3 antennas, and i think the desire only has 1 so the total speed is limited
i´m more interrested in the speed you transfer with on the diffrent modes since i get less than 20Mbit with G from local to local.. and i wonder if i sould invest in N ? does it give higher transferrates ? eg the speed of the filetransfer between comps..
sorry to ask
sorry to ask a noob question, but where again do you check to see the speed of your wireless, I did it once but can't remember how.
Phone *#*#4636#*#*. As to higher WiFi N speeds. We won't get higher speeds that 65-72Mbps because WiFi N mostly operates on the 5GHz band.
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Phone *#*#4636#*#*. As to higher WiFi N speeds. We won't get higher speeds that 65-72Mbps because WiFi N mostly operates on the 5GHz band.
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Thank you.
amf said:
I have an 802.11n router and gets a max of only 65 mbps transfer rate using Froyo. I have since disabled N support on my Desire to save some batt life.
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How did you disable N support on the Desire?
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Phone *#*#4636#*#*. As to higher WiFi N speeds. We won't get higher speeds that 65-72Mbps because WiFi N mostly operates on the 5GHz band.
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what a brainfuck 802.11 works with up to 600mbps at 2.4 ghz like on 5 ghz
. i wrote exams about wifi.
i bet the desire uses 1 antenna so it can get a max of 150mbps symbol rate.
but i think it uses a channel bandwidth of 20 mhz instead of 40 mhz so it is limited to the half of 150!!!
Well im currently connected at 72 using LeeDroid
lollylost100 said:
Phone *#*#4636#*#*. As to higher WiFi N speeds. We won't get higher speeds that 65-72Mbps because WiFi N mostly operates on the 5GHz band.
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ye this just shows your connected speed..
to get the actual speed you need to transfer a file between computers locally.
those 2 speeds vary alot since it depends on noise and interferrence and loss.
bongmaster2 said:
what a brainfuck 802.11 works with up to 600mbps at 2.4 ghz like on 5 ghz
. i wrote exams about wifi.
i bet the desire uses 1 antenna so it can get a max of 150mbps symbol rate.
but i think it uses a channel bandwidth of 20 mhz instead of 40 mhz so it is limited to the half of 150!!!
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Souns like that could be the reason..
Murd0ck said:
ye this just shows your connected speed..
to get the actual speed you need to transfer a file between computers locally.
those 2 speeds vary alot since it depends on noise and interferrence and loss.
Souns like that could be the reason..
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the max payload data rate is 40 % of the symbol data rate
bongmaster2 said:
what a brainfuck 802.11 works with up to 600mbps at 2.4 ghz like on 5 ghz
. i wrote exams about wifi.
i bet the desire uses 1 antenna so it can get a max of 150mbps symbol rate.
but i think it uses a channel bandwidth of 20 mhz instead of 40 mhz so it is limited to the half of 150!!!
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OK, that explains it. So we have a physical limit here for the throughput.
How about the better signal strength for N? This may be the result of the coding scheme. And more importantly, does the stock Froyo already provide 802.11n, so we could get rid of all the firmware and module hacks?
Bongmaster is right, you have different speeds for wireless N devices.
The desire is 1T1R (1 transmitter 1 receiver), and therefore can only only get 150mbps as a max theoretical speed. 2T2R is required for 300mbps operation.
However as mentioned, this only works with 40mhz channel bandwidth, 20mhz will cut it in half again.
Can someone force 40mhz channel bandwidth on their router and post results? Most Wireless N routers seem to come with 20mhz as the default setting.
Let me bump this again, there is one important question that was not answered yet:
Does the stock Froyo release (OTA) support Wifi 802.11n or not? I can not test it as I don't have access to a N router.
Thanks!
Everything I have read says yes.
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mmaacc said:
Let me bump this again, there is one important question that was not answered yet:
Does the stock Froyo release (OTA) support Wifi 802.11n or not? I can not test it as I don't have access to a N router.
Thanks!
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+1 need to know also.
BUMP.
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Bongmaster is right, you have different speeds for wireless N devices.
The desire is 1T1R (1 transmitter 1 receiver), and therefore can only only get 150mbps as a max theoretical speed. 2T2R is required for 300mbps operation.
However as mentioned, this only works with 40mhz channel bandwidth, 20mhz will cut it in half again.
Can someone force 40mhz channel bandwidth on their router and post results? Most Wireless N routers seem to come with 20mhz as the default setting.
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I did this and it made no difference, 72Mbps was the maximum it showed.
To be honest, I'm not sure the Desire is even capable of handling anywhere near this speed anyway. When connected to my home wireless at this speed, the actually download speed I get via speedtest.net is somewhere around 15-20Mbps and I have a 50Mbit connection.
Don't know what's up with all yours but mine is running at 425.9 MBPS.. IT is lightening fast, much faster than my 128mbps stick.
the actually download speed I get via speedtest.net is somewhere around 15-20Mbps and I have a 50Mbit connection.
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That's all your getting from your ISP then when you tested, try it again at 2am or something when there's less people in your area sharing your bandwidth.
I thought I read somewhere that wireless N uses less battery??
Now the epic does not have a 5mhz radio...
So if I go buy a 2.4mhz wireless n router, will I see better battery life?
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Wireless N is more efficient than A B G. But your still having to transfer a lot of data, so I it all depends on how much you use it really. If you mean compared to using 3g then yes it will use less battery.
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Will i see an improvment in battery with 802.11n over 802.11g?
(ldle with useage...)
Im sure i wont see much incress in speeds, right?
Thanks!
Nathan
ac16313 said:
Wireless N is more efficient than A B G. But your still having to transfer a lot of data, so I it all depends on how much you use it really. If you mean compared to using 3g then yes it will use less battery.
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Will i see an improvment in battery with 802.11n over 802.11g?
(ldle with useage...)
Im sure i wont see much incress in speeds, right?
Thanks!
Nathan
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Mhm, you'll see an increase in speeds since 802.11n is able to handle more bandwith than 802.11g
And yeah you'll have better battery since its more efficient
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nathan951 said:
I thought I read somewhere that wireless N uses less battery??
Now the epic does not have a 5mhz radio...
So if I go buy a 2.4mhz wireless n router, will I see better battery life?
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Not sure how this will be more efficient if your still running in the same spectrum? The whole point in wireless N is to run in a different spectrum then A B G. 2.4 is full and fragmented unless you have a N capable device it is still going to be in the full and fragmented 2.4 spectrum sorry just doesn't compute for me. If your saying a N router will handle 2.4 better not to sure about that. Unless the Epic is N capable and if that is the case I will be going out to buy a new router
Just my 7 cents worth! Sorry use to be 2 cents but inflation you know.
I have wireless n. On eclair I would see massive difference in using wifi over 3g as far as battery but not on froyo they are about the same now. But speed wise the n is way faster and has really good range too.
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Not sure how this will be more efficient if your still running in the same spectrum? The whole point in wireless N is to run in a different spectrum then A B G. 2.4 is full and fragmented unless you have a N capable device it is still going to be in the full and fragmented 2.4 spectrum sorry just doesn't compute for me. If your saying a N router will handle 2.4 better not to sure about that. Unless the Epic is N capable and if that is the case I will be going out to buy a new router
Just my 7 cents worth! Sorry use to be 2 cents but inflation you know.
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Yes he's asking if it will be better to buy an N capable router to replace his A B G.
7 is the new 2
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nathan951 said:
I thought I read somewhere that wireless N uses less battery??
Now the epic does not have a 5mhz radio...
So if I go buy a 2.4mhz wireless n router, will I see better battery life?
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From my limited knowledge and experience, it really depends on signal strength. Let's pose an example.
Assume one's 3G signal is 1 bar out of 5, while their 802.11g (Wifi) signal is 5 bars out of 5. Running on Wifi will lead to much greater battery life than on 3G because your connection will be much stronger, i.e. less chance of dropped signal, blah blah, etc.
Now, assume one's 802.11g (Wifi) signal is now 1 bar out of 5, while their 3G signal is 5 bars out of 5. This is iffy territory, but generally one can safely imagine that running on 3G will yield better battery life, simply because the phone is still going to have to work pretty hard to maintain a constant Wifi signal.
Now, move into the realm of 802.11g vs 802.11n. Assume signal strength for both will be equal, either 1 bar out of 5, 2 bars out of 5, 3 bars out of 5, etc. The difference between each signal is efficiency and speed. The faster one can transfer the same amount of data, the less amount of time the phone has to remain in a state of high CPU frequency and heavy load. Furthermore, 802.11n (Wireless-N) is known to have a higher efficiency than 802.11g (Wireless-G), so battery should be saved there, too.
Still, I think it's also safe to say that the difference between a Wireless-G router and Wireless-N router will be about equal in terms of battery life. Maybe you'll get another 15 minutes of battery if you upgrade to Wireless-N. MAYBE. And that's assuming you transfer or download large files on your phone, or listen to lots of Pandora where you're constantly using data. Is it worth it? Will you actually notice that in the real world? Is that assumption even applicable to how you use your phone?
tl;dr - Unless the Wireless-N router's greater range over the Wireless-G router will get you more bars when connected to Wifi on your phone, the difference is likely negligible.
Thanks for the info!!!
Ok so I gather that I won't see a big increase in battery, by buyn a new N router, but I stil might just to add one to my network for stronger signal...
Now I have a large house, 3500sf. I have 3 routers (fios router, one in media closet, one in back side of house) why won't my epic drop the weak wifi, and connect to stronger one? Won't this help battery life?
Also is there a wifi preference order (prefred wifi connection), like on windows?
Right now my routers are just set as access points (not gateways), so my fios router is my dhcp for all wireless routers on the same subnet... currently each router has a different ssid....
Should I set all ssid as the same name, can this help? Or will it just confuse my phone?
Thanks again,
Nathan
Blankrubber said:
From my limited knowledge and experience, it really depends on signal strength. Let's pose an example.
Assume one's 3G signal is 1 bar out of 5, while their 802.11g (Wifi) signal is 5 bars out of 5. Running on Wifi will lead to much greater battery life than on 3G because your connection will be much stronger, i.e. less chance of dropped signal, blah blah, etc.
Now, assume one's 802.11g (Wifi) signal is now 1 bar out of 5, while their 3G signal is 5 bars out of 5. This is iffy territory, but generally one can safely imagine that running on 3G will yield better battery life, simply because the phone is still going to have to work pretty hard to maintain a constant Wifi signal.
Now, move into the realm of 802.11g vs 802.11n. Assume signal strength for both will be equal, either 1 bar out of 5, 2 bars out of 5, 3 bars out of 5, etc. The difference between each signal is efficiency and speed. The faster one can transfer the same amount of data, the less amount of time the phone has to remain in a state of high CPU frequency and heavy load. Furthermore, 802.11n (Wireless-N) is known to have a higher efficiency than 802.11g (Wireless-G), so battery should be saved there, too.
Still, I think it's also safe to say that the difference between a Wireless-G router and Wireless-N router will be about equal in terms of battery life. Maybe you'll get another 15 minutes of battery if you upgrade to Wireless-N. MAYBE. And that's assuming you transfer or download large files on your phone, or listen to lots of Pandora where you're constantly using data. Is it worth it? Will you actually notice that in the real world? Is that assumption even applicable to how you use your phone?
tl;dr - Unless the Wireless-N router's greater range over the Wireless-G router will get you more bars when connected to Wifi on your phone, the difference is likely negligible.
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2 things you may want to research 1 put your router in the center of your house then range issues are gone. If you cannot put it in the center then look at making the other routers a wireless repeater of the first. Which means they would all put out the same ssid and all be the same wifi connection just repeated from the first router just stronger cuz the 2nd and 3rd routers are transmitting and recieiving data. Now I'm gonna throw in a 3rd option go buy a cisco wireless access point that will have your wifi covered for a qtr mile and has connection speeds of 110mbps rather than 50mbps but that wireless access point is $750
If I do bey an expencive router that has a high output radio, will I have a problem with the router receiving the data packets from my low output epic radio?
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2 things you may want to research 1 put your router in the center of your house then range issues are gone. If you cannot put it in the center then look at making the other routers a wireless repeater of the first. Which means they would all put out the same ssid and all be the same wifi connection just repeated from the first router just stronger cuz the 2nd and 3rd routers are transmitting and recieiving data. Now I'm gonna throw in a 3rd option go buy a cisco wireless access point that will have your wifi covered for a qtr mile and has connection speeds of 110mbps rather than 50mbps but that wireless access point is $750
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The connection speeds on any wireless N router are 100mps aren't they? I mean if the device can handle it of course.
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The connection speeds on any wireless N router are 100mps aren't they? I mean if the device can handle it of course.
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Just ran a speedtest off my dualband 150mbps router.
on pc i average: 9 ping, 30.5 mb download and 3.5 upload
on phone just got: 29 ping, 13.5mb, and 3.5 upload
So it's not going to be as fast as your connection if you have a good connection, but if it's a slower connection(10m or so), you oughta be fine.
You have amazing speeds haha.
I get about 11mbps dl 4mbps ul
On my computer
And about 14mbps dl and 4mbps ul
On my epic
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I have a 15 meg connection, and when I upgraded my router from g to n, I went from getting about 8 meg on the phone to about 12. My new router is a dual band, so that helps too. I live in a crowded wireless area, so channel selection is everything. Luckly there are android apps to help with that. I can't really say if it made much difference in battery life since I change roms too much, but its definately better than the weak 3g signal in my apartment.
P.s. if you're upgrading your router, look at the buffalo wzr-hp-g300nh. Its got dd-wrt, is high powered, and has tons more ram and cpu than anything under $100.
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I have 30mbps down and 2mbps internet package
im getting between 16mbps and 20mbps down and 2mbps to 3mbps up.
my laptop with built-in wireless card gets pretty much the same but when i use my usb wifi adapter (linksys in 2.4ghz mode) it gets 30mbps down and close to the same upload.
my router is a belkin n300 share with stock belkin firmware
so i know the router can do 30mbps over wifi as my linksys usb wifi adapter proves that.
just wondering why my laptop AND GS3 only get about 20mbps consistantly over wifi....
anyone do a test on their S3 over "WIFI" and see what they get or tell me what is wrong with my laptop and s3?
the router can not do 5ghz it is only capeable of 2.4ghz and b/g/n with 20mhz/40mhz bandwith
when i use that linksys usb wifi adapter its really working good but im surprised the GS3 is not, the laptop i could even understand getting the 20mbps (wireless-n 1030 built-in)
it dont seem like any setting i make really changes the speed for the laptop or the phone
suggestions would be great
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en11gma said:
SPH-L710 (Sprint Official Stock Firmware Android 4.1.1) Rooted
I have 30mbps down and 2mbps internet package
im getting between 16mbps and 20mbps down and 2mbps to 3mbps up.
my laptop with built-in wireless card gets pretty much the same but when i use my usb wifi adapter (linksys in 2.4ghz mode) it gets 30mbps down and close to the same upload.
my router is a belkin n300 share with stock belkin firmware
so i know the router can do 30mbps over wifi as my linksys usb wifi adapter proves that.
just wondering why my laptop AND GS3 only get about 20mbps consistantly over wifi....
anyone do a test on their S3 over "WIFI" and see what they get or tell me what is wrong with my laptop and s3?
the router can not do 5ghz it is only capeable of 2.4ghz and b/g/n with 20mhz/40mhz bandwith
when i use that linksys usb wifi adapter its really working good but im surprised the GS3 is not, the laptop i could even understand getting the 20mbps (wireless-n 1030 built-in)
it dont seem like any setting i make really changes the speed for the laptop or the phone
suggestions would be great
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Have you used multiple speed test sites to get these scores? Some are inaccurate.
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Have you used multiple speed test sites to get these scores? Some are inaccurate.
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yep
i pick the servers with speedtest app
im picking the same exact server i get 30mpbs with my linksys usb adapter
just wanted to note:
when using iPerf (only checking b/w over the lan) i get about 10mbps from s3 to laptop wireless n 1030 buitlin
when hooking laptop straight to router with lan cord and run iperf i get the same 20mbps on the s3
there is something wrong with the wifi in the S3 i believe
could be
en11gma said:
yep
i pick the servers with speedtest app
im picking the same exact server i get 30mpbs with my linksys usb adapter
just wanted to note:
when using iPerf (only checking b/w over the lan) i get about 10mbps from s3 to laptop wireless n 1030 buitlin
when hooking laptop straight to router with lan cord and run iperf i get the same 20mbps on the s3
there is something wrong with the wifi in the S3 i believe
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In that case, Have you tried another rom or a full wipe?
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In that case, Have you tried another rom or a full wipe?
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how about someone here verify this is a problem i found
tell me what you get. im sure you are gonna check if you have a fast connection to the internet over wifi
ask someone to do a speed test over wifi and no one wants to take the time to do it?
takes a few mins
Nope my laptop and gs3 get the same speeds. In also have 30mbps down and 5 upload
http://i1202.photobucket.com/albums/bb374/TexasEpic/ThePeoplesROM-KennyGlass123/daniel4653.png
en11gma said:
SPH-L710 (Sprint Official Stock Firmware Android 4.1.1) Rooted
I have 30mbps down and 2mbps internet package
im getting between 16mbps and 20mbps down and 2mbps to 3mbps up.
my laptop with built-in wireless card gets pretty much the same but when i use my usb wifi adapter (linksys in 2.4ghz mode) it gets 30mbps down and close to the same upload.
my router is a belkin n300 share with stock belkin firmware
so i know the router can do 30mbps over wifi as my linksys usb wifi adapter proves that.
just wondering why my laptop AND GS3 only get about 20mbps consistantly over wifi....
anyone do a test on their S3 over "WIFI" and see what they get or tell me what is wrong with my laptop and s3?
the router can not do 5ghz it is only capeable of 2.4ghz and b/g/n with 20mhz/40mhz bandwith
when i use that linksys usb wifi adapter its really working good but im surprised the GS3 is not, the laptop i could even understand getting the 20mbps (wireless-n 1030 built-in)
it dont seem like any setting i make really changes the speed for the laptop or the phone
suggestions would be great
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The USB WiFi adapter are far more advanced an faster than that of a phone or laptop its not a modem issue or device issue its just simply the WiFi adapters inside our devices i have a similar issue where i have a 35mbs plan and i only got around 15-20mbs i upgraded my router and now i nearly achieve my 35mbs mark but no matter what router you get if you use Ethernet or a USB WiFi card the internet will be faster because generally computers interpret internet faster over a hard connection vs a wireless connection where u still loose around 5-10mbs the only possible solution is maybe invest in a different router with the option to direct more bandwidth via WiFi or change your WiFi broadcast frequency to only one type or frequency weather it be 801.11n or 802.11g or 802.11b choose ONE that is fastest not all 3 or which ever you have because that generally slows your internet by great amounts as well
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daniel4653 said:
Nope my laptop and gs3 get the same speeds. In also have 30mbps down and 5 upload
http://i1202.photobucket.com/albums/bb374/TexasEpic/ThePeoplesROM-KennyGlass123/daniel4653.png
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and what were your speeds you got on both your laptop and gs3?
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The USB WiFi adapter are far more advanced an faster than that of a phone or laptop its not a modem issue or device issue its just simply the WiFi adapters inside our devices i have a similar issue where i have a 35mbs plan and i only got around 15-20mbs i upgraded my router and now i nearly achieve my 35mbs mark but no matter what router you get if you use Ethernet or a USB WiFi card the internet will be faster because generally computers interpret internet faster over a hard connection vs a wireless connection where u still loose around 5-10mbs the only possible solution is maybe invest in a different router with the option to direct more bandwidth via WiFi or change your WiFi broadcast frequency to only one type or frequency weather it be 801.11n or 802.11g or 802.11b choose ONE that is fastest not all 3 or which ever you have because that generally slows your internet by great amounts as well
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why exactly do the phone (gs3 in this case) and the laptop (built-in intel wireless-n 1030) get the same speeds?
with wireless-n (even at 2,4) single antenna it should get close to 150mbps (theorectical)
wireless G = 54mbps in actuality it is around 20mbps which is what im getting and yep i checked both the laptop and the gs3 show as wireless n connections
you made an interesting point about putting the router in a single mode like "N" and i have tried that but both the laptop and the phone will not connect unless i put the router in b/g/n mode
the linksys usb adapter will connect ok with the router in wireless "N" mode
i am running latest belkin firmware for my f7d3302 router
Because its a wireless signal most devices interpret signals much better through Ethernet or USB just because it cant capture the signal fast enough and long enough to keep it stable enough to stay at the same speed the router is broadcasting at sure enough the router is broadcasting at a stable speed but the device wont capture it fast enough the only solution i found is what i mentioned to either get a router which makes a more stronger secure signal or broadcast at only one frequency and the s3 should capture N maybe try changing from 2.4 to 5.0 and try N again otherwise there might be a hardware issue because i use my router at 2.4 with 801.11n on channel 10 and my internet is almost as fast as Ethernet and far longer range
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en11gma said:
and what were your speeds you got on both your laptop and gs3?
why exactly do the phone (gs3 in this case) and the laptop (built-in intel wireless-n 1030) get the same speeds?
with wireless-n (even at 2,4) single antenna it should get close to 150mbps (theorectical)
wireless G = 54mbps in actuality it is around 20mbps which is what im getting and yep i checked both the laptop and the gs3 show as wireless n connections
you made an interesting point about putting the router in a single mode like "N" and i have tried that but both the laptop and the phone will not connect unless i put the router in b/g/n mode
the linksys usb adapter will connect ok with the router in wireless "N" mode
i am running latest belkin firmware for my f7d3302 router
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28-32 down and 4-6 upload
http://i1202.photobucket.com/albums/bb374/TexasEpic/ThePeoplesROM-KennyGlass123/daniel4653.png
Or maybe your laptop and phone aren't setup properly to register this type of signal i know i had to call Acer to get my laptop to register a N signal so might want to play around with your wireless settings
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was able to put router in wireless n mode only (2.4ghz) by enabling "802.11e/WMM QoS"
now laptop with built-in nic and s3 can both connect at wireless n only
the laptop speed did jump up to what the hard wire ethernet cable AND linksys usb wifi are getting
they are all getting 28mbps (within a 1mbps deviation)
the phone is still stuck at 18-22mbps.
daniel4653
so the phone can actually get over 22mbps in "WIFI" mode?
are you on 5ghz N or 2.4ghz N?
would like to add
iperf from the phone to the laptop (builtin nic) is now getting 25mbps in multiple runs
this is on the local lan only in wireless N mode (2.4ghz) with 20/40 enabled in router
so this is a big improvement over the 7-10mbps i was getting earlier but the wifi connected to net is still 20mbps
en11gma said:
was able to put router in wireless n mode only (2.4ghz) by enabling "802.11e/WMM QoS"
now laptop with built-in nic and s3 can both connect at wireless n only
the laptop speed did jump up to what the hard wire ethernet cable AND linksys usb wifi are getting
they are all getting 28mbps (within a 1mbps deviation)
the phone is still stuck at 18-22mbps.
daniel4653
so the phone can actually get over 22mbps in "WIFI" mode?
are you on 5ghz N or 2.4ghz N?
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With phones there is a bigger difference because they're might be many factors like the modem the type of WiFi chip the size of the chip range and capability also what ROM your running just too much that might vary but on my phone on average i get around 20mbs it seems to me there's a 10mbs variation because at work we have a 100mbs connection and i get around 85mbs i believe the s3 maxes out at 100 but to reach that you have to have some fast internet and either a gaming router or a business router
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on wireless n (2.4ghz) it should connect the "link speed" at 150mbps
when its at 150mbps this indicates "Channel Bonding" is working
im getting 72mbps and i had been reading other cellphone that had similar problems @ 75mbps
to my understanding the phones were not channel bonding correctly.
i have had 3-4 people saying all kinds of stuff without really saying anything scientific.
i could have done that too but instead i knew there was a real problem
i kept digging and am sharing my experience as i find out what is really going on.
to check your "link speed" you can long press on your wifi connection and then go advance and scroll down and it should show it.
you can also get wifi analyzer and change the view and then select your connection
from what it looks like this galaxy s3 and my belkin n300 share router are not getting along.
i need another router to see if that is the problem or if it is really my phone and the software its running.
if other people with their devices would post your findings here it would be great
thanks
I have Verizon fios quantum 150/75 my S3 never sees above 40/50. I have the newest Verizon actiontek rev. I router. My desktop receives 160/79 on LAN
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I have Verizon fios quantum 150/75 my S3 never sees above 40/50. I have the newest Verizon actiontek rev. I router. My desktop receives 160/79 on LAN
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Thats ridiculous
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I have Verizon fios quantum 150/75 my S3 never sees above 40/50. I have the newest Verizon actiontek rev. I router. My desktop receives 160/79 on LAN
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holy crap
looks like you are going to be the record holder
i take it that is at 5ghz and link speed is at 150
what is the fastest speeds you can get in wifi with only 2.4ghz?
40/50 is at 5ghz never tried setting the router to board cast 2.4ghz only. Is that the case why I do not see speeds higher then 40/50 on my S3. Never really thought about it
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40/50 is at 5ghz never tried setting the router to board cast 2.4ghz only. Is that the case why I do not see speeds higher then 40/50 on my S3. Never really thought about it
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if you try to put your router at 2.4ghz (wireless n with 20/40) and connect your phone at "link speed 150mbps" you might still get that same 40/50
if your "link speed = 72mbps" like mine you will probably only get 20mbps down and prob same thing up
im pretty curious as it does seem like your phone and internet is working correctly
So, not having run a speedtest on my laptop in a while, I actually thought my roommate was lying to me when he said we should be getting faster internet. Apparently he's not. Question being, with the speeds people are pulling on LTE, why can't I pull the same speeds from my wifi on my laptop as my GN2? My laptop is getting 50mbps down, while my Note tops out around 25mbps although yesterday I pulled a couple over 30mbps which has never happened before. Can anyone explain why I'm topping out like that when so much more is capable?
It can be a number of factors, buildings , wind , weather, static interference, anything could be a factor. It won't always be consistent.
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It can be a number of factors, buildings , wind , weather, static interference, anything could be a factor. It won't always be consistent.
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Those factors have nothing to do with wifi or why my phone wont go over 25mbps when it can go way higher than that.
It could be the type of wifi antenna that we have on the phone. Max speed is achieved using MIMO streams which required multiple wifi antennas. I suspect that GN2 wifi have only one antenna, one stream up or down.
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It could be the type of wifi antenna that we have on the phone. Max speed is achieved using MIMO streams which required multiple wifi antennas. I suspect that GN2 wifi have only one antenna, one stream up or down.
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Just seems odd that it maxes out at that speed on wifi yet with LTe its capable of double that. Does anyone else get more than 25mbps on their wifi?
Mobile app might not use as much data. Not as much time to optimize the connection and really fly.
The pc site may be allowed more bandwidth to get a speedy connection with.
My two cents.
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LTE and wifi are not using the same antenna. MINO is the basic for wifi (N) to achieve higher speed. If you go out and by wireless adaptor. Usually there 2 type of Wifi (N) offer 150N and 300N. The 150N has only one attenna, and the 300N usually has at least 2 or more.
So... still curious, what are others getting on their home wifi?
What is your link speed. My usually at home SD shows 39 or 52 mbit but I have seen 72 too. I dont have internet service fast enough to see if phone is the bottleneck.
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What is your link speed. My usually at home SD shows 39 or 52 mbit but I have seen 72 too. I dont have internet service fast enough to see if phone is the bottleneck.
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When I look at the network in the task manager on windows I believe its actually like 130? Im at work now, have to check when I get home? Is that the correct way to find out?
computer - 32
phone - 27
At home I have 40/20MB and on my phone I get 38/19 at work I have 100/100MB and on my phone I get 85/80MB.
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So my link speed right now is actually 144 mbps, though during busy times it might go down to 130. It definitely seems like we are supposed to have better internet because I remember a couple months ago it was only 72. Anyways, what exactly am I doing wrong? Shouldn't I be getting even better than 50mbps on my laptop, at least? Also, my router came from Comcast, do I need to upgrade it to get the full effect or are my laptop and phone somehow limited? At home I'm getting better than 50 on my laptop so shouldn't I be getting 35 or 40 then, no problem, on my Note? It would be aggravating if Comcast was charging me for faster internet but not telling me I needed a new modem to take advantage of it. Actually, more like stupid than aggravating.
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So my link speed right now is actually 144 mbps, though during busy times it might go down to 130. It definitely seems like we are supposed to have better internet because I remember a couple months ago it was only 72. Anyways, what exactly am I doing wrong? Shouldn't I be getting even better than 50mbps on my laptop, at least? Also, my router came from Comcast, do I need to upgrade it to get the full effect or are my laptop and phone somehow limited? At home I'm getting better than 50 on my laptop so shouldn't I be getting 35 or 40 then, no problem, on my Note? It would be aggravating if Comcast was charging me for faster internet but not telling me I needed a new modem to take advantage of it. Actually, more like stupid than aggravating.
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Yes you will always loose some throughput over wireless unless you have a beast of a router but plugged in with the hardwire should give you full speed. I would test by hard wiring to the router with your laptop and running a speed test then hard wire to the modem and do a speed test. If both router and modem are the same. Then its a wireless issue.
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Yes you will always loose some throughput over wireless unless you have a beast of a router but plugged in with the hardwire should give you full speed. I would test by hard wiring to the router with your laptop and running a speed test then hard wire to the modem and do a speed test. If both router and modem are the same. Then its a wireless issue.
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Well, I'm obviously not going to hardwire my laptop or Note. Would simply spending 50 bucks on a router from best buy, also avoiding a rental fee from comcast, improve my optimal speeds for my laptop and N2?
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Well, I'm obviously not going to hardwire my laptop or Note. Would simply spending 50 bucks on a router from best buy, also avoiding a rental fee from comcast, improve my optimal speeds for my laptop and N2?
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That's just to trouble shoot if it is your router or modem that is bad so you don't buy a new one when that was not the problem.
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That's just to trouble shoot if it is your router or modem that is bad so you don't buy a new one when that was not the problem.
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Well it's just the normal router that comcast gave us but I believe this was actually the second time we've updated so couldn't it be possible our comcast issued router is outdated? I've never been able to get better on any public wifi. I've just always had this creeping feeling that my account is just old enough to be on a weird plan where I am throttled overall no matter where I'm at opposed to other people. I've just never been able to duplicate the speeds on any phone that other people in my same exact area have. Like I'm handicapped for some reason., I mean, I basically get the same speeds on my N2 that I got on my Sensation, if not lower sometimes, and that just makes no damn sense whatsover. Don't we have a kikass radio over the Sensation?
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So, not having run a speedtest on my laptop in a while, I actually thought my roommate was lying to me when he said we should be getting faster internet. Apparently he's not. Question being, with the speeds people are pulling on LTE, why can't I pull the same speeds from my wifi on my laptop as my GN2? My laptop is getting 50mbps down, while my Note tops out around 25mbps although yesterday I pulled a couple over 30mbps which has never happened before. Can anyone explain why I'm topping out like that when so much more is capable?
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I'm seeing similar to what you're seeing. I just had Verizon replace my router with a new Actiontec MI424WR which has gigabit & 802.11n. I have FiOS 50/25.
On a laptop running Windows 7 with an Intel 6300n wireless adapter one room away from the router I get 48-55 down. Sitting next to the laptop with the GN2 running ParanoidAndroid 3.15 with the LTE updated modem I get no more than 20 down. If I hold the phone 12 inches from the router in the other room, my Speedtest result hits as high as 33 down. If I take the laptop into the room and run the test next to the router, I consistently see 58 down.
Edit: Prior to getting my router replaced, I had the old Actiontec with 802.11g and if I recall, the laptop & GN2 both got around 12-15 down. Never better. Replacing the router made a huge difference but the laptop saw a high max down.
Hi everyone,
I have my Nexus 7 connected to a Linksys WRT160N router with tomatoRAF firmware installed. This router+firmware+configuration setup was the best I could do without constant dropping of connection or not connecting at all, but still at very slow speed of 0,5 - 1,5 MB/s (average is more around 0,6) when copying files on local network (SMB) with ES File Explorer. Which is good enough for web surfing and emails, but not enough for IPTV and youtube (youtube works, but i have to wait for it a lot).
So far i have tried numerous configurations of my router, nothing works. I tried other routers, 9 to be exact, but i have never seen more than 2MB/s.
Now i'm thinking about buying new router, and I want to know what wifi speeds do you get with which router.
thanks
Hi,
what's your net speed? mine is 26 mbit/s and this is what i get. however, IF you stream sound with BT/have any BT service up and running and your wifi runs at 2.4ghz it is highly probable the two (bt and wifi) interfere. This was the problem i had and which i found out after buying soundbar which links with its subwoofer via BT(BT butchered my wifi, i was scoring 1mbit to up to 26). I have switched to dual band modem/router (tp link td-w8980). now, i have two WiFi networks at my place, one which runs at 2.4ghz and the second at 5ghz. the 5ghz is used only by my nexus :]
N7 2013, Buffalo N300 router, Verizon FiOS 75/25. The router is dual channel, but not dual band: 2.4GHz only.
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enlev said:
Hi everyone,
I have my Nexus 7 connected to a Linksys WRT160N router with tomatoRAF firmware installed. This router+firmware+configuration setup was the best I could do without constant dropping of connection or not connecting at all, but still at very slow speed of 0,5 - 1,5 MB/s (average is more around 0,6) when copying files on local network (SMB) with ES File Explorer. Which is good enough for web surfing and emails, but not enough for IPTV and youtube (youtube works, but i have to wait for it a lot).
So far i have tried numerous configurations of my router, nothing works. I tried other routers, 9 to be exact, but i have never seen more than 2MB/s.
Now i'm thinking about buying new router, and I want to know what wifi speeds do you get with which router.
thanks
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I had throughput issues with a Linksys WRT54GL and Tomato, was not a configuration problem. Loved the way Tomato worked, how it looked, it's options... but in the end, all I really cared about was throughput. Are you able to replicate the throughput issue on stock router firmware? You said you tried other routers. All the same model (RMA)?
Tell me more about your connectivity issues.
If you've used different routers from different manufacturers (with their respective stock firmware), then it's probably a problem with your tablet.
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I had throughput issues with a Linksys WRT54GL and Tomato, was not a configuration problem. Loved the way Tomato worked, how it looked, it's options... but in the end, all I really cared about was throughput. Are you able to replicate the throughput issue on stock router firmware? You said you tried other routers. All the same model (RMA)?
Tell me more about your connectivity issues.
If you've used different routers from different manufacturers (with their respective stock firmware), then it's probably a problem with your tablet.
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I had this throughput issue from the day I received my nexus 7 (2013), with stock firmware on router. But with stock firmware, the connection would drop randomly (from 5 minutes to 12 hours) and to reconnect i had to restart the router and nexus - this was corrected only with this firmware TomatoRAF (i tried dd-wrt and 2 more tomato firmwares - all kept disconnecting). I never had this throughput issue with any laptop, only this nexus.
The other routers i tried were all different routers, but all at least 3 years old.
Another information: friends nexus 7 (2013) WIFI, flo, also had same speeds on my router.
today i will try to test a few phones and a laptop on my router and will post results as soon as i can
32gb lte model, I use an Asus ac66u and Comcast 105\25 Mbps. 5ghz WiFi gets me 90 Mbps down and 22-30 up, 55 Mbps down and 22-30 up on 2.4 GHz.
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This is what i get (copying files from server with es file explorer):
nexus 7 2013 (kitkat) - 760kB/s
1st xperia ray (kitkat) - 750kB/s
2nd xperia ray (jellybean) - 530kB/s
xperia mini pro (jellybean) - 560kB/s
galaxy s4 mini - 1070kB/s
laptop - 6500kB/s
I used to get 10MB/s+ on my laptop with original linksys firmware, but now i configured router to be more "reliable" and i would be more than happy if nexus had 6,5MB/s connection.
I attached some info about router configuration. If there is an "expert" reading this willing to help, i can post more complete configuration.
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32gb lte model, I use an Asus ac66u and Comcast 105\25 Mbps. 5ghz WiFi gets me 90 Mbps down and 22-30 up, 55 Mbps down and 22-30 up on 2.4 GHz.
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Are you happy with ac66u? any problems? what about lan to wifi speeds (with laptop/ac adapter)? i am asking as it is a serious contender for my next router
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32gb lte model, I use an Asus ac66u and Comcast 105\25 Mbps. 5ghz WiFi gets me 90 Mbps down and 22-30 up, 55 Mbps down and 22-30 up on 2.4 GHz.
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I think I hate you! Ok... maybe I'm just a little jealous!
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Are you happy with ac66u? any problems? what about lan to wifi speeds (with laptop/ac adapter)? i am asking as it is a serious contender for my next router
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Considering how inexpensive it was I"m extremely happy with the TP-Link WR1043ND that I use. With aftermarket antennas I bought as an experiment and the current firmware installed signal strength through walls and general performance is great. I thought about installing third-party firmware on it when I first got it a couple years ago but see no need. For the package I have from Comcast they advertise I think 25 Mbps down and 5Mbps up and I usually see 28/6. If you haven't already done so make sure your router is using the best channel for your location. Also, I see a lot of people move off of channels 1, 6 and 11 which can make them see/cause more bleedover from/to adjacent channels. You can see that in my screenshot with networks MercedesBenz and Sandvik. I live in a house but the effect in an apartment or condo would be worse. I also use a repeater because my router is at the opposite end of the house from my backyard patio and this house has insulated steel siding. Wifi Analyzer is a free app and works great to figure out what channel would work best for you.
Also in the N7's wifi advanced settings I use "2.4 GHz only" which seems to make it reconnect faster when waking up the device because I also use "only when plugged in" during sleep.
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I haven't had any problems. All my large lan transfers are done over Ethernet cat 6. If it can pull down 90mbps from wan to wlan on two phones and a tablet, well then there's your sign lol. All these speeds are on n WiFi, I haven't even tried ac because all my machines that need all available bandwidth are hardwired. The router hasn't even required rebooting unless one counts firmware updates and such. Hardline lan to lan is right about 100 MB/s.there's an even faster model out called the ac68u but it's significantly more expensive.
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I have the 32GB LTE version... Using an Asus RT-N66U as my access point...
On 2.4 ghz I get 22.5 mbps down and 7.5 mbps up*
On 5 gzh I get 68.4 mbps down and 11.5 mbps up... which is the max speeds I see from my ISP.
*note: there are about 18 strong 2.4 ghz networks visible at my location (surrounded by apartment buildings). 2.4 ghz performance consistently suffers with this level of interference across all of my connected devices.
As far as the RT-N66U goes... I'm very happy with it's performance and range of signal. I was a long time WRT54G user with tomato. This matches almost perfectly.