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The Incredible will be released soon in the US - around 2 weeks.
Rumoured specifications seem better than the Desire, eg 8MP camera
I don't know if it will work in the EU and given its imminent release, I'm surprised the Incredible doesnt have its own sub-forum.
Anyone know what the deal is with the HTC Incredible and why there isn't more interest at XDA?
1 - Its CDMA (Verizon).
2 - Very little is known about it (maybe 1 or 2 pictures).
3 - Since it's CDMA and none of the international carriers are selling it, once again not a lot is known.
Those are just my ideas (WTF do I know?). Give it some time. Once it hits, people will start talking.
All Day On XDA said:
The Incredible will be released soon in the US - around 2 weeks.
Rumoured specifications seem better than the Desire, eg 8MP camera
I don't know if it will work in the EU and given its imminent release, I'm surprised the Incredible doesnt have its own sub-forum.
Anyone know what the deal is with the HTC Incredible and why there isn't more interest at XDA?
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XDA is more a development site for phones that are already released. Once released (April 6th my uneducated guess) there will be more interest. There is more info at other sites, I will PM you the address
Hey thanks,
I'll paste the info from your link for interested others too..
Confirmed:
1 Ghz Snapdragon processor (QSD8650) (245 Mhz at idle)
RAM - 512 MB (320 usable...like N1...more to become available with OS update)
ROM - 512MB flash + 8GB moviNANDe
8 MP camera (Dual flash and AF)
Android 2.1
Sense UI (w/ Friendstream)
Optical track pad (vs. "ball")
3.7 inch screen
WVGA resolution
AMOLED
1300 MaH battery
FM Tuner
802.11 b/g
Dimensions: 117.5 mm (L) x 58.5 mm (w) x 11.9 mm (T)
No 720p recording
No multitouch BUG as found in N1
All Day On XDA said:
Hey thanks,
I'll paste the info from your link for interested others too..
Confirmed:
1 Ghz Snapdragon processor (QSD8650) (245 Mhz at idle)
RAM - 512 MB (320 usable...like N1...more to become available with OS update)
ROM - 512MB flash + 8GB moviNANDe
8 MP camera (Dual flash and AF)
Android 2.1
Sense UI (w/ Friendstream)
Optical track pad (vs. "ball")
3.7 inch screen
WVGA resolution
AMOLED
1300 MaH battery
FM Tuner
802.11 b/g
Dimensions: 117.5 mm (L) x 58.5 mm (w) x 11.9 mm (T)
No 720p recording
No multitouch BUG as found in N1
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the Desire have more RAM (576 MB) and better battery (1400 mAh), and also the desire is rumored to have 720p recording, the camera is a boost to the incredible
multitouch bug is not a big issue IMO
All Day On XDA said:
Hey thanks,
I'll paste the info from your link for interested others too..
Confirmed:
1 Ghz Snapdragon processor (QSD8650) (245 Mhz at idle)
RAM - 512 MB (320 usable...like N1...more to become available with OS update)
ROM - 512MB flash + 8GB moviNANDe
8 MP camera (Dual flash and AF)
Android 2.1
Sense UI (w/ Friendstream)
Optical track pad (vs. "ball")
3.7 inch screen
WVGA resolution
AMOLED
1300 MaH battery
FM Tuner
802.11 b/g
Dimensions: 117.5 mm (L) x 58.5 mm (w) x 11.9 mm (T)
No 720p recording
No multitouch BUG as found in N1
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its processr is underclocked to 728 not 1ghz
hoss_n2 said:
its processr is underclocked to 728 not 1ghz
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No, that's actually been debunked.
I didn't like the original images that were leaked but the new images with more detail paints it in a different light. I also didn't like the low ram specs that were initially released but it seems that has be corrected. I may get one. I'm getting tired waiting for the desire.
CaptainJager said:
XDA is more a development site for phones that are already released. Once released (April 6th my uneducated guess) there will be more interest. There is more info at other sites, I will PM you the address
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Well, the Desire isn't actually released yet either, yet here we are Or is it?
i mean, i want a phone later on this year that has all of the above. ideally, a 4.7" screen with a 1280x720 res, SAMOLED screen, dual core, tegra2 gpu and so on.
all the above minus the higher res wouldn't be enough of an upgrade imo.
so, any higher res phones coming out? even the optimus x2 has the same res as my desire
tommo123 said:
i mean, i want a phone later on this year that has all of the above. ideally, a 4.7" screen with a 1280x720 res, SAMOLED screen, dual core, tegra2 gpu and so on.
all the above minus the higher res wouldn't be enough of an upgrade imo.
so, any higher res phones coming out? even the optimus x2 has the same res as my desire
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i doubt it, the next logical step would be for an xvga device, (1024x768) but ive never heard of one. maybe you will find one with a higher dpi, like the retina display on iphones
that's it, i want a higher res display but can't get an iphone
You have to wait.
well, my contract's not up till november so hopefully someone out there(looking at LG, they seem to be pushing hard to be successful in this area now) will decide to tick off 'higher res' to add it to a 'better than the iphone 4' list
Motorola just unveiled Atrix 4G on CES. Phone is coming to AT&T and it has 540 x 960 (qHD) resolution.
And other specs also sounds nice - dual-core processor, 1GB of RAM, 1930mAh battery...
Dual core phones are right around the corner, they'll be here before November. However you won't find a phone with a 4.7 inch screen. The biggest will be the size of the Desire HD. The market isn't really big enough for phone companies to bring out a lot of massive phones and people are happy with the size they are now.
Look out for the PS phone, i think thats a 4" dual core phone. Lots of leaks on it.
RED_ said:
Dual core phones are right around the corner, they'll be here before November. However you won't find a phone with a 4.7 inch screen. The biggest will be the size of the Desire HD. The market isn't really big enough for phone companies to bring out a lot of massive phones and people are happy with the size they are now.
Look out for the PS phone, i think thats a 4" dual core phone. Lots of leaks on it.
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NO NO NO NO NO, just looking a the PS Phone makes me think back to the nokia N Gage , plus only 24 fps in neocore lol this year is going to be all about the nvida tegra II
I was wondering when this subject might finally come up here. In spite of the current trend for flagship phones to become bigger than ever, I still think the sweet spot is somewhere between 3.5" and 4.0". I wouldn't buy anything bigger for the full retail price - I'll buy a 10" tablet and a 13" to 15" laptop instead.
Ridiculously enough we're seing 800x480 pixels anywhere, stretched up to 5.0" and even more - and they call that HD (I mean: HTC Desire HD & HTC HD2 for example. Both great devices, but come on! You call that HD?). I don't want bigger screens; I want higher DPI and superior image quality! I said the next phone I'll buy would be 3.7" device with 1280x768 pixels (that would be the next logical step for Android super phones after the iPhone 4: same aspect ratio as before but 2.5x as many pixels and HD ready for real) but it looks like I'll have to wait a long time.
Somebody please tell HTC to produce something like that. I'll buy it instantly
4.7"?? That is hugeeee.
not for me, used to holding something large in my hand
anyhoo, i tried the dell streak and found that comfortable so a 5" phone would do me tbh
Dualcored proc, at least 1.5GB internal memory, independent GPU, at least 1GB RAM, micro SDCard slot, HDMI output, 2 Cameras, flash light, better battery life, etc. etc.
Those are the specs I hope for my next android smartphone....but 4.7 inch screen is not for me...Desire HD is already a bit too big (4.3").
Dell Streak and Galaxy Tab, I hate 'em...it is just too huge for a phone
Please delete my post. Captain Obvious doesn't need to retell every story.
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On top of the above specs. The radio needs to be wcdma or 3g over all 5 bands. That is the only iPhone 4 feature that impressed me.
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I don't think that right now there is a smartphone way better than HTC Desire,so I don't see a good reason to upgrade.I'm also willing to change it.I guess we will have to wait and maybe in the summer there will be one with something like thisual-core Quallcomm with Adreno 3xx,1Gb RAM,8-16 internal memory+microsd card,front-facing camera,better battery life etc.As for the display,the one on the Desire is ok for me,I never had quality problems,and it's size is perfect(Desire HD is way too big for me,I can't hold it firmly in my hand).Overall,I don't think all these are needed,the Desire doesn't have any lag(except the latest games like Dungeon Defenders),but if they are not present then I wouldn't justify an upgrade.
Btw,tegra 2 is not a gpu,it's a dual core cpu
tegra is a gpu solution but uses a A9 cpu along with it I believe its a standard that nvidia has set to be used with their gpu
It makes no sense for nvidia to make a cpu they are a gpu company
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Motorola Atrix, will have a besster resolution. looks very interessting. also with the laptopdock. htc doesnt have anytings in this class.
whom will you vote???
What ablout huwaei ideos u9000 is it worth than defy???
Ace vs Defy - this compare is like compact car vs sport car. Defy is one class better. For example hardware:
Ace:
CPU - 800 Mhz but Armv6 - worse than defy 800 Mhz Armv7
RAM - 384 - Defy has 512
ROM (aplication) - 512 (around 200 for user APP), Defy has 2GB (1,2 for user app)
So basicly Ace shouldn't be compare with defy.
ideos u9000 vs defy
In hardware almost the same, but defy have really good devs and community support. Defy is live proof phone. But i think that ideos will have open bootloeder (but i am not sure).
So i think defy is better phone at all.
Both ace and defy can be had at almost equal price in India. And imho, defy gives the best value for money, its a class apart from ace at almost the same price.
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Samsung Ace, No support for Adobe Flash in the web browser, No ambient light sensor.
just for the screen resolution alone and the defy (854 x 480) owns the ace (480 x 320)
There's really no comparision.
Samsung Ace is just an overpriced entrance level android phone (same for htc wildfire s). Samsung Gio is US$100 cheaper with the same cpu, gpu, ram, rom, screen resolution (screen size is 0.3" smaller though).
My brother has the Ace, it is sluggish, locks up frequently and the screen isnt that sensitive, i think it feels nicer in the hand than the Defy but that is about it.
Gnex has 1.2ghz dual core cortex a9 ti omap 1gb ram Powervrsgx540, 720p hd display
is the specs of the Gnex better than 1.2ghz quad core cortex a7 mediatek 1gb ram powervrsgx544,720p display
From the benchmark perspective, no it's not. Dual A9's usually equal to quad A7's in CPU power, while SGX544MP1 is obviously superior to SGX540. However, the bloatware those small manufacturers tend to put in those MTK devices will obviously slow the phone down. Words around the internet also say that although MT6589 is a quad A7 CPU, only 2 cores are used per normal task.
I suppose you're gonna buy a device - don't buy MTKs, there's usually no development for them, they may never get future Android upgrades even via flashing (because there's no custom ROM at all), meaning that your phone could be dead on arrival. Personal opinion so feel free to oppose.
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Is power vr g6430 any good when campared to adreno gpu's?
http://www.gsmarena.com/apple_iphone_5s_vs_lg_g2_vs_nokia_lumia_1020-review-997p5.php
The same GPU used on iPhone 5s. Based on this benchmark, it's better than Adreno 330 I think.
Adreno 405 isn't top class GPU. According to GFLOPS numbers, 405 is better than 1st gen Adreno 320 (S4 Pro, S4 Prime) and weaker 2nd gen.
But all about benchmarks, the most important is user experience and last but not least is optimization
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Is power vr g6430 any good when campared to adreno gpu's?
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Adreno 405 is only half as power of powervgr g6430
Adreno 405 is middle range gpu
While powervgr g6430, adreno 320, 330, 420 are last year and current flagship gpu
Gpu mostly rated by gflops
http://kyokojap.myweb.hinet.net/gpu_gflops/
And adreno each generation have basic, mid, high power gpu..
Adreno 405 is 4th generation (05 means basic) and can match 3rd Gen mid
Adreno 420 is 4th generation (20 is mid) and can match 3rd Gen high gpu
See gflops of each in that above link
And yes optimization is the most for gaming
The PowerVR G6430 in Zenfone 2 is clocked higher than iphone 5s but lower than ipads and Atom 3570. Its performance is between the Adreno 330 and 430 which is excellent given that it was designed in 2012 and released in 2013. Reclocking it at 640Mhz like its 3570 brother should give a nice run for its price, still technically, it won't be as fast as Adreno 430. However, in real world usage and coupled with a more powerful Intel cpu, it should match it as the CPU is able to extract more GPU power.
If you are really looking at the most powerful mobile GPU, the Nvidia Tegra X1 is at the top, close to twice the performance of the top Qualcomm 810 GPU, Adreno 430. In Antutu, it only scores 75K because the CPU is slower than others like Intel. 75K is still unbreakeable for the moment. Surely, Nvidia and ATI have much more experience in the GPU domain so its not surprising that they are the fastest.
Now, only if ATI partner with Intel to provide us with 14nm goodies :angel:
p.s: To have a broader picture, the Tegra X1 chip is close to twice the performance of a PS3 which is astonishing considering its small size and 2W max power consumption.
Nvidia Shield TV based on Tegra X1 has active cooling system.
So, how it can be compared to phone SoCs?
My bad, I though it was found in the Nvidia Shield tablet. Its its brother the Kepler K1 that is currently used but still at 365 GFlops on nvidia website, it competes with the adreno 430. Note that the PS3 was 192 GFlops.
Interesting fact is that the Tegra X1 actually draws much Less power at idle and slightly less power (1w less than Kepler) at load. Kepler would peak at 11w. Thanks to the new 20nm tech in Maxwell cores efficiency. The Nvidia TV Shield has much more and larger components to power, its also for sure clocked higher.
''According to Nvidia, the power consumption in a tablet powered by Tegra X1 will be on par with Tegra K1. In fact, idle power consumption will be even lower thanks to the various architecture improvements. Tegra K1 was designed to operate at around 5-8 watts, with infrequent peaks up to 11 watts when running stressful benchmarks, so the X1 will be well within the realm of tablet power requirements.'' Source: greenbot.com
Heres this too: http://www.pcper.com/reviews/Processors/NVIDIA-Announces-Tegra-X1-Maxwell-Hits-Ultra-Low-Power
I really like the fact that PC manifacturers enter the mobile market, after all, they were building computer components for ages. This will open the door to more powerfull and cheaper SoCs especially because they have the ability to mass produce and develop the latest tech with many factory plants worldwide.
aziz07 said:
My bad, I though it was found in the Nvidia Shield tablet. Its its brother the Kepler K1 that is currently used but still at 365 GFlops on nvidia website, it competes with the adreno 430. Note that the PS3 was 192 GFlops.
Interesting fact is that the Tegra X1 actually draws much Less power at idle and slightly less power (1w less than Kepler) at load. Kepler would peak at 11w. Thanks to the new 20nm tech in Maxwell cores efficiency. The Nvidia TV Shield has much more and larger components to power, its also for sure clocked higher.
''According to Nvidia, the power consumption in a tablet powered by Tegra X1 will be on par with Tegra K1. In fact, idle power consumption will be even lower thanks to the various architecture improvements. Tegra K1 was designed to operate at around 5-8 watts, with infrequent peaks up to 11 watts when running stressful benchmarks, so the X1 will be well within the realm of tablet power requirements.'' Source: greenbot.com
Heres this too: http://www.pcper.com/reviews/Processors/NVIDIA-Announces-Tegra-X1-Maxwell-Hits-Ultra-Low-Power
I really like the fact that PC manifacturers enter the mobile market, after all, they were building computer components for ages. This will open the door to more powerfull and cheaper SoCs especially because they have the ability to mass produce and develop the latest tech with many factory plants worldwide.
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Maxwell can very power hungry when you clock it all the way up, and X1 has more CUDA cores than K1. X1 has 2 SMM with 256 total while K1 only has 1 SMX with 192.
also, pc manufacturers have always been in the mobile market, or you could even say they started the mobile market. for instance, Apple was a pc manufacturer, steve jobs dedicated 70% of his life to PC rather than phones. samsung makes everything and they have a lot of experience too in making notebooks. so the two most powerful (or most successful) players in the mobile sector are also pc manufacturers, what do you mean by pc manufacturers entering the mobile market?
Its getting off topic but Intel or Apple weren't the first one to build a cell phone. Intel was the first company to build a CPU though. Motorola built the 1st cellphone.
On a sidenote, Apple never really built anything except for aesthetics, it started with IBM building for them after non-success with Synertek for a couple of months. Btw, Samsung does not manifacture PC CPUs or GPUs. Only CPU they build is the Exynos for mobile. I think you misinterpreted the fact the they sell laptops, yes they do, but they are not the one building its major components, its Intel and AMD. They may build its memory components but not CPU or GPU.
You are seeing technology the other way around. If we take, let say, a 2 years old gpu and a new one. The new one can have double the transitor and components count yet still consume less power. Its about architechture efficiency and transistor nm. e.g. the Intel in our Zenfone 2 is built with 3D 22nm transistor which is more power efficient. That's how tech flow.
Anyway, apple is slowly declining, Intel is building their PC segment, replacing IBM, and Samsung is building their next iphone and taking care of the mobile segment. We can already see whats next.
I have been building PCs for over 15 years, its my hobby.
@ mods There should be a ''resolved'' button just like other forums so threads don't get cluttered lol
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Is power vr g6430 any good when campared to adreno gpu's?
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I know benchmarks aren't everything, but GFX gives a good idea of the performance difference between the two. Basically, the PowerVR G6430 is much more powerful than the Adreno 405.
PowerVR G6430:
https://gfxbench.com/result.jsp?ben...VR Rogue G6430&base=device&ff-check-desktop=0
Adreno 405:
https://gfxbench.com/result.jsp?ben...ter=Adreno 405&base=device&ff-check-desktop=0
Here's some videos of a Zenfone 2 with a phone that utilizes the SD 615/Adreno 405 combo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N3DcRHXrTHg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TYZr53U2Tfk
Hope this helps.