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I got a replacement from Amazon because my earlier defy had a random reboot problem. However now I have two phones with me and when I compare them, the newest replacement seems very plasticky. The black model of european seems to be like a bad paint job of white US model coated with a black paint. Also the volume rocker and power buttons make the plastic sound when pressed.
Is this the latest european model that is being released in the market. If yes, then most of you who bought these pieces have a sub-standard quality of this phone. I loved my old phone and the smooth finish with extra smooth buttons.
Any inputs from anyone?
I have a European version which exhibits none of the symptoms you describe.
Got mine at amazon(.fr) two weeks ago to replace my desire (it fell hard on the floor and the glass is now broken).
I see the exact same symptoms you describe: cheap power and volume buttons, and overall very plasticky look and feel. That was kind of a disappointment. Then i have been even more disappointed when i realized i wouldn't be able to flash custom roms - i miss my cyanogen.
Well, this is a kind of cheap android device and it sure feels cheap. Won't buy any another moto device nor would i recommend it, that's for sure. In the meantime i try to get the best out of it.
Your experiences sure are odd. If you had not both specified that you got your phones from Amazon, I would have thought you had used ebay and gotten some shoddy copies of a fine device.
That said, the phone does use a lot of plastic, but that is something that any review will tell you.
And who does not read at least one review before buying a device nowadays?
The same goes for what can be done, ROM-wise. I checked out XDA Developers before I clicked the final 'Purchase' button, so in that regard there were no surprises for me either.
Sure reviews tell you it uses plastic. But whatever you read, unless you experience it for yourself you don't really realize. Concerning the power and volume buttons, i didn't realize it wasn't normal until i read the op.
Beside, one only really reads what seems to matter at the time of the reading: this is a super-resistant device -- put it under water, throw it against the walls, hell, yeah, i'm all in. That's what got me on board, i didn't really thought about roms, and next time i will pay more attention.
So, yes, i'm a bit disapointed, but Android still is a great toy, even with *that* device.
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Your experiences sure are odd. If you had not both specified that you got your phones from Amazon, I would have thought you had used ebay and gotten some shoddy copies of a fine device.
That said, the phone does use a lot of plastic, but that is something that any review will tell you.
And who does not read at least one review before buying a device nowadays?
The same goes for what can be done, ROM-wise. I checked out XDA Developers before I clicked the final 'Purchase' button, so in that regard there were no surprises for me either.
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I think you dint read my question quite right. What i opined was that my first defy which I just returned back to amazon was a gem. It has those buttons as soft as rubber and the body build itself was different. I used it for 4months and had to give it back to due some hardware problem. Now the one I got yesterday seems a completely different build. Now those are things that no review will be able to tell you right?. Something I thought I will share with other users. It might be that Motorola just started to produce this kind of cheap builds owing to surge in demand.
That said, no complaints on this one too. But i do miss that classic finish and soft soundless buttons.
gdodinet said:
Got mine at amazon(.fr) two weeks ago to replace my desire (it fell hard on the floor and the glass is now broken).
I see the exact same symptoms you describe: cheap power and volume buttons, and overall very plasticky look and feel. That was kind of a disappointment. Then i have been even more disappointed when i realized i wouldn't be able to flash custom roms - i miss my cyanogen.
Well, this is a kind of cheap android device and it sure feels cheap. Won't buy any another moto device nor would i recommend it, that's for sure. In the meantime i try to get the best out of it.
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Did you get a BT/BF or blue dot device from Amazon.fr?
I was planning on buying a Defy from Amazon but this is bad news...
Why is it so hard to get a decent Defy... First there was the earpiece problem, now this.
I got mine from clevertronic.de in mid November, think it wasn't even out on amazon.de by then.
I also thought that the power and volume button seemed rather cheap looking... and clacking (at the beginning I didn't know where that clacking sound came from, thought something was wrong with the drive or something).
But until now I thought that'd be normal so I didn't complain.
Really odd.
"I tought this was normal until I read this post"
I don't really understand these people complaining about previously-normal (to them) things. It's like when the fear spreads for a pandemic.
I have got a BT33 black european defy, and I repute the build quality excellent even for that price. Sure, it is plastic, but what did you expect from a €300 phone? Brushed aluminium?
Do you think that more expensive phones are all metal builds?
Just look at the Acer Liquid Metal: you can long see it from the pics it won't be nearly the same build quality of the Defy, that it will screak when held in hand. Despite the name, it only comes with a small strip of metal in the back. I also guess the front glass is not even glass, let alone gorilla glass. And that's for €50 more than a Defy.
Anyways mine has no creaking when squeezed in the hand, the back cover paint is soft-touch and well done, the front bezel is well built, glass is perfectly aligned, back cover not bulging, side covers intact, and the volume keys only make a slight click if I shake the phone.
You're all being too picky.
Mine is an all black European model. The buttons are plastic rather than rubber but they don't rattle about or click, and i've never thought of them as being cheap-feeling.
The paint finish on the screws did start to wear off pretty quickly though.
Also have the european black model, from november.
Plastic buttons that rattle slightly, and frontshell dont fit 100% with the backshell. Everything else looks quite expensive.
For around 300€ with the powerful hardware inside its a catch in my opinion.
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FWIW, T-MO USA just sent me a replacement Defy. Not the Euro model, of course. But the same high quality of my original and has the BT prefix.
Got mine from telstra aus. It's sweet. I've soaked it in beer and dropped it numerous times. Not a scratch!
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FWIW, T-MO USA just sent me a replacement Defy. Not the Euro model, of course. But the same high quality of my original and has the BT prefix.
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What are you referring to with 'Euro model'? Do you mean the version with the white rubber section, as opposed to it being black?
I wasn't aware either was area/continent-specific, as both can be purchased in Europe.
If you are somehow implying that European build quality is less than.. well, the build quality of where-ever you are, I doubt there is any difference.
To strengthen my argument i am going to post snaps of the two variants tonight. Hopefully my wife should not have mailed it off to amazon.
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Please do, I find pictures help a lot when trying to explain something about the look of a product.
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What are you referring to with 'Euro model'? Do you mean the version with the white rubber section, as opposed to it being black?
I wasn't aware either was area/continent-specific, as both can be purchased in Europe.
If you are somehow implying that European build quality is less than.. well, the build quality of where-ever you are, I doubt there is any difference.
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I meant the phone mentioned above with the all black case. Not saying the Europeans don't know how to make good phones since they're most all made in China anyway (I hear there are some made in South America). But the poster was suggesting he had gotten a low quality phone. T-MO in the US only ships the phone with the white case, I believe.
I alos have a European version which exhibits some of the symptoms you describe.
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I meant the phone mentioned above with the all black case. Not saying the Europeans don't know how to make good phones since they're most all made in China anyway (I hear there are some made in South America). But the poster was suggesting he had gotten a low quality phone. T-MO in the US only ships the phone with the white case, I believe.
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Indeed, they're made in Asia - I would have suggested that as a counter, but seeing your reply, that's not necessary.
Ah, I see. I think some materials had to be different due to this phone being sturdier. Plastic and rubber can be very durable.
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Did you get a BT/BF or blue dot device from Amazon.fr?
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I'm not sure what you're referring to with BT/BF and "blue dot device", so i guess that's a no: i didn't get such a phone from amazon.
I have recently bought 3 batteries on eBay sold as Samsung original "bulk" (without the blister). The stock one which I got with the phone says "made in Japan" and weighs 33 gr. these other ones say "made in Korea" and weigh 27 gr. so the question is: does anyone know if original batteries are made in Korea too and how much they weigh?
TIA!
If they are not the same weight or less they cannot be original
That's what I was thinking too but was looking for confirmations..
My original battery is made in Korea and finished in China - weighs 32.8g
The supposed 1800mAh ebay battery (1400mAh hour from online testing) - weighs 29.8g
It appears your Korean battery weighs less than my original and also my cheap ebay battery which is a surprise.
Oh yes forgot to add: all of them say "finished in China".
Anyway what's still making me unsure is that these batteries come from a reputable eBayer who is also selling lots of (for sure) original Samsung stuff. Moreover, other reputable eBayers are also selling the same "bulk" batteries...
They are selling for € 15 compared to the other ones coming in the blister which are going for € 19.90. I would have much more happily bought these other ones but they were out of stock anywhere the moment I bought mu SGSII and now I am not sure what to think about (and what to do with) these batteries.....
Sheesh..
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Oh yes forgot to add: all of them say "finished in China".
Anyway what's still making me unsure is that these batteries come from a reputable eBayer who is also selling lots of (for sure) original Samsung stuff. Moreover, other reputable eBayers are also selling the same "bulk" batteries...
They are selling for € 15 compared to the other ones coming in the blister which are going for € 19.90. I would have much more happily bought these other ones but they were out of stock anywhere the moment I bought mu SGSII and now I am not sure what to think about (and what to do with) these batteries.....
Sheesh..
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The original one which came with my phone says made in Korea finished in China. Where it is made if no indication wether if it's original or not. This is mine. Can you post pics of yours so I can see and compare with mine?
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I asked about Korea because shouldn't original batteries being made there too it would have been a first sure indication of it being fake
Anyway, apart from the weight there are a couple of subtle differences between the 2 series of batteries but I am not sure they are clearly visible from the photos.
The connectors are slightly different (a bit narrower on those "made in Korea") and the stickers on the batteries have upper corner cutouts on the stock one while they have not on the "Korea" ones.
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I asked about Korea because shouldn't original batteries being made there too it would have been a first sure indication of it being fake
Anyway, apart from the weight there are a couple of subtle differences between the 2 series of batteries but I am not sure they are clearly visible from the photos.
The connectors are slightly different (a bit narrower on those "made in Korea") and the stickers on the batteries have upper corner cutouts on the stock one while they have not on the "Korea" ones.
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Based on the batteries I've seen going hunting for original ones I think the one on the right is the original one. odd because all the batteries I've seen that are original are made in Korea.
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The one on the right?? The one on the left is the stock one which came with the phone in a sealed package and which weighs the apparently "correct" 33 grams!!
Anyway, I have contacted the eBayer and I am sending them back at my expense and buying 3 new ones in blister (which he now has available)
I've seen authentic Samsung batteries for the Galaxy S2 made in the following areas,
Made in Korea
Made in Korea, Finished in China
Made in Japan, Finished in Korea
Made in Japan, Finished in China
its all about supply and demand
From what you posted, what you purchased seem to be legit to me.
I would never recommend buying any batteries off eBay whatsoever your very likely to get burned.
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I've seen authentic Samsung batteries for the Galaxy S2 made in the following areas,
Made in Korea
Made in Korea, Finished in China
Made in Japan, Finished in Korea
Made in Japan, Finished in China
its all about supply and demand
From what you posted, what you purchased seem to be legit to me.
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In fact the issue, here, is not where it's made (it's now clear Korea is a legit origin and that never was what really troubled me) but the weight. 6 grams lighter, that's a lot for an item of 33 grams!
jonny68 said:
I would never recommend buying any batteries off eBay whatsoever your very likely to get burned.
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True but sometimes, and especially for very new smartphones, it's not easy to find them locally..
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The one on the right?? The one on the left is the stock one which came with the phone in a sealed package and which weighs the apparently "correct" 33 grams!!
Anyway, I have contacted the eBayer and I am sending them back at my expense and buying 3 new ones in blister (which he now has available)
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To be sure of an original get from a trusted seller or have your Samsung service center order one for you.
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xdapao3 said:
In fact the issue, here, is not where it's made (it's now clear Korea is a legit origin and that never was what really troubled me) but the weight. 6 grams lighter, that's a lot for an item of 33 grams!
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Is weight seriously a consideration? Let me weigh mine when I get home. will report back in a bit.
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Amazing! You were right all along. The original battery that came with my phone made in Korea is exactly 33 grams! And the spare original battery I bought from a local store where they offered 6 months warranty is also 33 grams. I kinda doubted the store (although there was warranty and it came with retail packaging wasn't cheap though - $47) but now I believe them!
Edit: Both made in Korea finished in China. Finish and build identical (the one that came with the phone and the spare).
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And just to add more confusion, my 33 gram original Korean (finished in china) battery label looks the same as the one on the right in your picture, although this is a possible design change unlike the 6g lighter spec
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And just to add more confusion, my 33 gram original Korean (finished in china) battery label looks the same as the one on the right in your picture, although this is a possible design change unlike the 6g lighter spec
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Mine also looks like his battery on the right. I think the important thing to consider is the weight?
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pbrown77 said:
And just to add more confusion, my 33 gram original Korean (finished in china) battery label looks the same as the one on the right in your picture, although this is a possible design change unlike the 6g lighter spec
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I did not give much weight (pun intended ) to these cosmetic differences. These are, after all, "internal parts" and design changes happen all the time and cosmetic differences are almost a given when the parts are from different sources..
but
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Mine also looks like his battery on the right. I think the important thing to consider is the weight?
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that's the thing, 6 grams over 33 are a "major" spec change if it was genuine. Imagine being able to tout an even lighter SGS2.. That new POS iPhone 4S is just 3 grams lighter and they are advertising it as "faster, lighter ecc"
Point is, specs like these don't just change this much from one factory to another.
http://www.expansys.com/htc-one-x-d...tm_medium=shopping&utm_campaign=base&ito=1701
Considering getting one of these when they are released... I just wanted to ask if anyone has read about the wattage? If it works as a decent speaker I'd be more than tempted. If it's a measley 2.5W pile of nothing I might not bother...
i dont think the speaker will be anything good, more about just puttng the phone on a dock, but i do think its overpriced for what it is, but i love the idea of it.
I just think perhaps the wattage could be the decider... if it's good it'll be reasonable value. I suspect it might not be though
I think its more "gentle" to put the phone on a cradle like this then fiddle in the plug every night isnt it?!
Be warned that if you want to use a case on the phone and still dock it, the ONLY hard case that seems to let the "pins" of the dock reach the back of the phone is the HTC HC C704 which stupidly doesn't have a clear version like the HTC HC C700. The C700 is missing the holes!! Very odd design choice by HTC
Poor thing! And the c704 don`t seems to protect the ring around the lense of the cam.
You can't protect the ring on the camera with the docking cases because the dock has a groove that holds the camera, and the extra protection would make it sit in the dock less securely(because it can't sit flush to the dock). I believe that is why they differentiated the cases.
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Be warned that if you want to use a case on the phone and still dock it, the ONLY hard case that seems to let the "pins" of the dock reach the back of the phone is the HTC HC C704 which stupidly doesn't have a clear version like the HTC HC C700. The C700 is missing the holes!! Very odd design choice by HTC
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But there is a white and a grey version to match each colour of the phone.
For me, the dock is tempting for work to keep it charged and sync my outlook calendar.
Is anybody interested in cheaper version with only pogo-pin charging? It seems that pogo connectors are availiable from chinese producers, we just need to design the case and electronics I would throw in my 20 Euro for a good designed product.
Let me know if you are interested in kickstarted project.
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Is anybody interested in cheaper version with only pogo-pin charging? It seems that pogo connectors are availiable from chinese producers, we just need to design the case and electronics I would throw in my 20 Euro for a good designed product.
Let me know if you are interested in kickstarted project.
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I'm interested. I only want charging really, not bothered about a crappy speaker
Si
love the idea!
make it a clean design, and my money is yours
maybe a hdmi connector too? <- would pay more for that maybe as special version?
The main thing putting me off about this dock is the angle at which the device will sit, as far as I'm concerned it's far too shallow.
I agree with my Rotherham friend. I'm not interested in it doing anything fancy then
Charge the device
Make it enter dock mode
Look pretty
Si
I like it, I might get one for work, so I can clearly see my phone screen when I'm at work.
I'm guessing if the phones in the cradle then Sense 4.0 will go landscape?
I would buy a cheap dock for charging.... hdmi sounds good but I guess the cost will slowly creep up....
BigladUK said:
I'm interested. I only want charging really, not bothered about a crappy speaker
Si
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Theres someone selling a desktop charger in ebay UK
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Theres someone selling a desktop charger in ebay UK
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Can you link to it ?
Si
a link please ..?
All docks that are available now use micro USB not the pogo pins! I thought about starting a project but I'm lacking electronics skills... A friend of mine can model the product in CAD and I could find a way to print a prototype in 3D but first pogo pin charging needs to be reverse engineered and tested. I think HTC may have added some kind of accessory verification...
Is there anyone who've bought this cradle already?? The want to buy one, if the connection between the dock and telephone is good. So if there is anyone who've bought it could you give a review??
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Hi All,
I found this while I was browsing around.
http://www.dailysteals.com/?utm_source=DailySteals.com+-+Deal+of+the+Day&utm_campaign=cecca2efb8-1_4_13_Sat_Steals&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_df9b59ce87-cecca2efb8-30879741#d/17452
The MSRP is $99, they're charging $25 right now. Tried googling the name, but nothing comes up. Then again, its hard to mess up a wireless charger. I ordered it anyway.
Just in case anybody else is interested. :good:
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Hi All,
I found this while I was browsing around.
http://www.dailysteals.com/?utm_source=DailySteals.com+-+Deal+of+the+Day&utm_campaign=cecca2efb8-1_4_13_Sat_Steals&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_df9b59ce87-cecca2efb8-30879741#d/17452
The MSRP is $99, they're charging $25 right now. Tried googling the name, but nothing comes up. Then again, its hard to mess up a wireless charger. I ordered it anyway.
Just in case anybody else is interested. :good:
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Looks like another no-name charger. $25 isn't a good deal
Yeah I bought 4 of these on ebay for 15$ a piece shipped I started with two , they worked perfect so I bought two more a couple days later all in 4 for 60$ I couldn't be happier just do a quick search on ebay, if your u sure just hit me up I'll find my reciept....
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There is no way the MSRP on that is $99. Definitely not a "steal" as they put it. I've been burned by that website before on a MicroSD card that was advertised as a sandisk class 10 but ended up being some knockoff brand when it finally got to me, loose and floating around an envelope in no packaging.
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You guys want an awesome wireless charger for under $25?
Check this out:
http://www.att.com/shop/wireless/ac...arging-plate-sku6290260.html#fbid=I6GcsXoIAba
Nokia DT-900, great wireless charger for $24.50/Free shipping.
Works flawlessly with our N5s.
Can't beat that.
Update: Nokia DT-900, $20, Boom:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Nokia-DT-90...3747?var=&hash=item8e13c7e2f2&vti=Color White
JD2589 said:
You guys want an awesome wireless charger for under $25?
Check this out:
http://www.att.com/shop/wireless/ac...arging-plate-sku6290260.html#fbid=I6GcsXoIAba
Nokia DT-900, great wireless charger for $24.50/Free shipping.
Works flawlessly with our N5s.
Can't beat that.
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DO NOT buy this!!
It has a proprietary plug, is not micro USB, and the output is only 750mA... It will charge your phone extremely slowly compared to other Qi chargers.
Most other Qi chargers, even ones half this price have a 1000mA output.
mmmmBACON said:
DO NOT buy this!!
It has a proprietary plug, is not micro USB, and the output is only 750mA... It will charge your phone extremely slowly compared to other Qi chargers.
Most other Qi chargers, even ones half this price have a 1000mA output.
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I will admit its not that fastest charger out their, but by no means it is a bad wireless charger what so ever. Takes under 3 hours to get a full charge from 0%.
I had a Tylt Wireless Charger on order and had to cancel the order after reading about their over heating issues. While N5 users using the DT900 have nothing but good things to say about it, a simple search here on XDA will prove you that.
The Nokia DT-900 is a quality wireless charger, especially when compared to any cheap eBay wireless charger you can buy, I would never set my phone on a cheap eBay wireless charger.
JD2589 said:
I will admit its not that fastest charger out their, but by no means it is a bad wireless charger what so ever. Takes under 3 hours to get a full charge from 0%.
I had a Tylt Wireless Charger on order and had to cancel the order after reading about their over heating issues. While N5 users using the DT900 have nothing but good things to say about it, a simple search here on XDA will prove you that.
The Nokia DT-900 is a quality wireless charger, especially when compared to any cheap eBay wireless charger you can buy, I would never set my phone on a cheap eBay wireless charger.
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If you generalize about the quality of a product strictly based on price and where you buy it from, you'll miss out on great products sorry to say. And I have done quite a bit of reading, both here on xda and elsewhere about the DT-900, and it's a mixed bag. Most of the high praise was due to the price when they had a fire sale, the performance is just average, many saying on the slow side. Also with issues of having to perfectly find the sweet spot, despite it having 3 coils.
While I agree the Tylt Vu is not my cup of tea, if you search for posts I've done about cheap Qi chargers. I've got ones that we're under $12, charge fantastically, and have no problems with detection. And yup, dirt cheap from ebay, the place where you would never set your phone down.
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If you generalize about the quality of a product strictly based on price and where you buy it from, you'll miss out on great products sorry to say. And I have done quite a bit of reading, both here on xda and elsewhere about the DT-900, and it's a mixed bag. Most of the high praise was due to the price when they had a fire sale, the performance is just average, many saying on the slow side. Also with issues of having to perfectly find the sweet spot, despite it having 3 coils.
While I agree the Tylt Vu is not my cup of tea, if you search for posts I've done about cheap Qi chargers. I've got ones that we're under $12, charge fantastically, and have no problems with detection. And yup, dirt cheap from ebay, the place where you would never set your phone down.
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What I meant by the cheap eBay products is that they aren't name brands, meaning they are cheaply made by god knows who...
I don't think their sale price has anything to do with it, look at Tylts they had a 50% off sale on them, and it has just exposed the overheating issue with the N5 even more because more people bought them and were affected by the issue. Whereas Nokia's also had them on sale and has gotten good reviews, barely any complaints on the N5 forums.
But we are all entitled to our own opinions, so I respect yours.
I will happily read those posts,
Thanks.
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What I meant by the cheap eBay products is that they aren't name brands, meaning they are cheaply made by god knows who...
I don't think their sale price has anything to do with it, look at Tylts they had a 50% off sale on them, and it has just exposed the overheating issue with the N5 even more because more people bought them. Whereas Nokia's has gotten good reviews, barely any complaints on the N5 forums.
But we are all entitled to our own opinions, so I respect yours.
I will happily read those posts,
Thanks.
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Sure I agree everyone has their own opinions. But also just because something isn't name brand doesn't mean its a cheap pos. That's another generalization you're making.
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Sure I agree everyone has their own opinions. But also just because something isn't name brand doesn't mean its a cheap pos. That's another generalization you're making.
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I guess I just don't trust cheap no name brand things, ever heard of 'You get what you pay for"?
But sure it's another generalization.
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I guess I just don't trust cheap no name brand things, ever heard of 'You get what you pay for"?
But sure it's another generalization.
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Just curious, do you buy name brand over store brand items?
Oh that is not a steal, even I know that, they sell those on eBay for less the 10 bucks all day...
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Just curious, do you buy name brand over store brand items?
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Depends.
But usually I trust name brands more.
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Depends.
But usually I trust name brands more.
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Lol. Yes a Johnson & Johnson band-aid is better CVS band-aid.
Cruzfire said:
Oh that is not a steal, even I know that, they sell those on eBay for less the 10 bucks all day...
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I just searched on eBay and did not find one for $10, the cheapest one was $20 shipped from Brooklyn. Unless your looking at auctions which haven't ended.
So there you go folks Nokia DT-900 even cheaper: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Nokia-DT-90...3747?var=&hash=item8e13c7e2f2&vti=Color White
If you were talking about the Wireless charger that the OP pointed out then I retract what was said above.
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dinggus said:
Lol. Yes a Johnson & Johnson band-aid is better CVS band-aid.
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Yes of course, Thanks for your support.
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I guess I just don't trust cheap no name brand things, ever heard of 'You get what you pay for"?
But sure it's another generalization.
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Okay, but that's your mistake. You're assuming everything name brand is somehow better, and everything no name is cheap. In other words, you are the exact target audience for advertising, branding, marketing, and labels.
A Nike symbol on a shoe, doesn't somehow make it higher quality than the exact shoe without the swoosh stitching. They're still made at the same $1.50 hour sweat shops overseas. Only that little check mark allows a store to mark it up hundreds of dollars more.
Have you seen how a bread factory works? It's the same production line, at the very end it splits off in multiple directions for multiple brands. Wonderbread, walmart, house brand, no name. Same production line, same product, different branding, vastly different prices. Your breakfast cereal works the exact same way, same factories, different boxes and branding. No name/generic, skips the advertising and branding, so they charge less, and I save money.
But if you want to keep the opinion that generic = cheap garbage, go for it. I'll happily spend less money for a product that is the same or better, even if it doesn't have a few extra letters associated with a giant corporation.
Here's an example I did about the Nexus 5 quicksand cases. Name brand vs Generic ebay. One is $20, the other $0.99
You tell me if the 20x increase in price is worth it.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=48771439&postcount=13
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Okay, but that's your mistake. You're assuming everything name brand is somehow better, and everything no name is cheap. In other words, you are the exact target audience for advertising, branding, marketing, and labels.
A Nike symbol on a shoe, doesn't somehow make it higher quality than the exact shoe without the swoosh stitching. They're still made at the same $1.50 hour sweat shops overseas. Only that little check mark allows a store to mark it up hundreds of dollars more.
Have you seen how a bread factory works? It's the same production line, at the very end it splits off in multiple directions for multiple brands. Wonderbread, walmart, house brand, no name. Same production line, same product, different branding, vastly different prices. Your breakfast cereal works the exact same way, same factories, different boxes and branding. No name/generic, skips the advertising and branding, so they charge less, and I save money.
But if you want to keep the opinion that generic = cheap garbage, go for it. I'll happily spend less money for a product that is the same or better, even if it doesn't have a few extra letters associated with a giant corporation.
Here's an example I did about the Nexus 5 quicksand cases. Name brand vs Generic ebay. One is $20, the other $0.99
You tell me if the 20x increase in price is worth it.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=48771439&postcount=13
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I never said that generic brands in totality are garbage. That's why in a post above I said depends.
You can't always compare cheap no name brands to high end brand names. Sometimes you can sometimes you can't.
But this is really worthless, this thread was simply about someone wanting to buy a $25 no name cheap wireless charger and I pointed out that for $24.50 they could buy something that is better in terms of quality and brand.
BTW nice find with the cases, in that case the generic brand was of very similar quality when compared to the name brand.
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I never said that generic brands in totality are garbage. That's why in a post above I said depends.
You can't always compare cheap no name brands to high end brand names. Sometimes you can sometimes you can't.
But this is really worthless, this thread was simply about someone wanting to buy a $25 no name cheap wireless charger and I pointed out that for $24.50 they could buy something that is better in terms of quality and brand.
BTW nice find with the cases, in that case the generic brand was of very similar quality when compared to the name brand.
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Thanks, but on technicalities, it's not "similar quality" to the name brand case. It is the SAME case, minus some ink for 1/20 the price.
Also, it isn't worthless to bring this topic up, because despite talking about it, you continue to keep making ignorant generalizations, in this case, ones with no factual basis.
For instance, why do you automatically assume his charger of choice is a "no name cheap wireless charger?" You know absolutely nothing about it. Sure there are ones out there that cost less, but why would you assume his is bad? Just because it isn't Nokia, Sony, Samsung, or whatever other billion dollar conglomerate, doesn't make the product no name or cheap.
Then you list a Nokia, saying it's better in terms of quality and brand, yet you have no basis for comparison other than what you're imagining.
Your recommendation, other than the word Nokia molded in the plastic in worse in every way than almost all other standard Qi chargers.
1) It uses proprietary inputs, almost every other manufacturer uses the standard micro USB adapter.
2) Most reviews say it requires finding the sweet spot to charge, or the phone doesn't recognize it.
3) It's output is 750mA while almost all others are 1000mA.
So again, how is the Nokia better in terms of quality and brand when in all actuality, the product is worse in every way?
This is going to be my last post as it isn't adding much to the topic.
Its like comparing a a Mercedes Benz to a Kia. Which one is better my friend? The Benz or the Kia. We all know the high end brand is going to be better.
If you tell me the Kia then we all know who is actually being ignorant.
Remember I earlier said it is my opinion, and that I respected yours. I'm not going to lower myself to getting into some stupid fight with you over this. Like I said and will say again it is my opinion. If you don't respect another people opinions the one who shouldn't be recommending products is yourself.
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I love to use very minimalistic cases that don't add much bulk to the phone. Mainly want one for protecting the corners of the phone if it is dropped. My preference is a bumper frame that does not have a back to it. I used to have one from Motorola for my Moto X but I cannot seem to find any for the V20. Anyone had any luck finding any yet?
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I love to use very minimalistic cases that don't add much bulk to the phone. Mainly want one for protecting the corners of the phone if it is dropped. My preference is a bumper frame that does not have a back to it. I used to have one from Motorola for my Moto X but I cannot seem to find any for the V20. Anyone had any luck finding any yet?
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I've yet to see anything,however,I just sent EvoLutive Labs (RhinoShield) an e-mail,asking if they'll be offering a bumper case for this phone:
https://rhinoshield.io/pages/crashguard
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9DvhljsZY88
They've been relatively quick to respond to past correspondence,should be hearing something within a few days,I'll post the response as soon as I hear something.
KOLIOSIS said:
I've yet to see anything,however,I just sent EvoLutive Labs (RhinoShield) an e-mail,asking if they'll be offering a bumper case for this phone:
https://rhinoshield.io/pages/crashguard
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9DvhljsZY88
They've been relatively quick to respond to past correspondence,should be hearing something within a few days,I'll post the response as soon as I hear something.
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I actually already emailed them and asked them if they would be making one. They said no. Their cases seem like they offer so much protection with almost no case at all. But yes please email them. Hopefully if they see there is demand they will offer one.
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I actually already emailed them and asked them if they would be making one. They said no. Their cases seem like they offer so much protection with almost no case at all. But yes please email them. Hopefully if they see there is demand they will offer one.
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That Sux,but,thank you for the news regardless & also for taking the lead in finding a bumper for this phone.
Nillkin made a nice one for several phones a couple years ago,but,it seems they've dropped that item from their line-up on newer phones.
I have zero interest in the POS aluminum ones that litter e-Bay,I'm sure you've seen 'em.
I've tried 'em out (on past phones) & for the most part,they're just downright awful.
Anyhoo,back to the RhinoShield:
I'm gonna hold out a glimmer of hope,as the phone won't be available in their market (Australia,I believe) for another two weeks,perhaps demand will grow & they'll change their minds:
http://www.gizmodo.com.au/2016/10/lg-v20-australian-price-and-release-date/
KOLIOSIS said:
That Sux,but,thank you for the news regardless & also for taking the lead in finding a bumper for this phone.
Nillkin made a nice one for several phones a couple years ago,but,it seems they've dropped that item from their line-up on newer phones.
I have zero interest in the POS aluminum ones that litter e-Bay,I'm sure you've seen 'em.
I've tried 'em out (on past phones) & for the most part,they're just downright awful.
Anyhoo,back to the RhinoShield:
I'm gonna hold out a glimmer of hope,as the phone won't be available in their market (Australia,I believe) for another two weeks,perhaps demand will grow & they'll change their minds:
http://www.gizmodo.com.au/2016/10/lg-v20-australian-price-and-release-date/
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Yeah I'm still holding out hope! I just think the phone looks great and I hate hiding my phones in cases where you can't even see them. They also tend to add some bulk (depending on what you go with). Hopefully someone will step up to the plate and make one. But yeah I've seen a bunch of those aluminum ones for other phones and yeah they look like junk.
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Yeah I'm still holding out hope! I just think the phone looks great and I hate hiding my phones in cases where you can't even see them. They also tend to add some bulk (depending on what you go with). Hopefully someone will step up to the plate and make one. But yeah I've seen a bunch of those aluminum ones for other phones and yeah they look like junk.
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Well, I already have a response from EvolutiveLabs:
Alex @ RhinoShield
Oct 27, 10:36 CST
Hi KOLIOSIS,
Hello,
Thank you for your interest in our product.
Unfortunately, we are not planning to produce RhinoShield products for the LG V20.
Even though we like this device very much, we cannot develop products for everything yet.We will probably not do it in the future, but if we change our mind, the place to get notified is our Facebook Page: https://www.facebook.com/evolutivelabs
We hope you will one day have a phone for which we can provide the best protection there is
Have a great day.
Best regards,
Alex - RhinoShield Customer Service Rep.
Sent from my elsa using XDA Labs
I'm going to inquire with these people, DEVILCASE of Taiwan, tomorrow. I almost bought one for my Note 4.
KOLIOSIS said:
Well, I already have a response from EvolutiveLabs:
Alex @ RhinoShield
Oct 27, 10:36 CST
Hi KOLIOSIS,
Hello,
Thank you for your interest in our product.
Unfortunately, we are not planning to produce RhinoShield products for the LG V20.
Even though we like this device very much, we cannot develop products for everything yet.We will probably not do it in the future, but if we change our mind, the place to get notified is our Facebook Page: https://www.facebook.com/evolutivelabs
We hope you will one day have a phone for which we can provide the best protection there is
Have a great day.
Best regards,
Alex - RhinoShield Customer Service Rep.
Sent from my elsa using XDA Labs
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Yep pretty much the same response I got. The search continues.
LG makes a bumper for the V10, i'm sure they will have them for the V20.
Anyway I will be in china next week, I ll see what I can pick up, i'm sure aluminum bumper are available, but I prefer more protection.
kms108 said:
LG makes a bumper for the V10, i'm sure they will have them for the V20.
Anyway I will be in china next week, I ll see what I can pick up, i'm sure aluminum bumper are available, but I prefer more protection.
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Interesting. I wasn't aware they made one for the V10. Sure hope you're right and they produce one. Someone has to step up and produce one I'm sure. With the demise of the Note7, this phone is becoming a lot more popular than people expected I believe and I think someone will hop on board and produce one.
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Interesting. I wasn't aware they made one for the V10. Sure hope you're right and they produce one. Someone has to step up and produce one I'm sure. With the demise of the Note7, this phone is becoming a lot more popular than people expected I believe and I think someone will hop on board and produce one.
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I had the OEM LG V10 Bumper, & as with most other current LG devices, OEM accessories weren't readily available to most outside of S. Korea, at least at phone launch time.
Makes no sense to me, why let the 3rd party mfgs get to market before selling your own accessories, SMH, yet, that's been LG's M.O. for as long as I can remember.....
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I had the OEM LG V10 Bumper, & as with most other current LG devices, OEM accessories weren't readily available to most outside of S. Korea, at least at phone launch time.
Makes no sense to me, why let the 3rd party mfgs get to market before selling your own accessories, SMH, yet, that's been LG's M.O. for as long as I can remember.....
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But you have to admit, the LG V10 bumper looks nice.:victory:
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But you have to admit, the LG V10 bumper looks nice.:victory:
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It did look super nice on the phone and left that cool back open, but it did nothing to protect the camera which was soft, painted aluminum. I switched it for a different case. It seems like bumper cases aren't as popular now. When I had my G3, there were about 10 different manufacturers of bumpers. Really, all I want for this phone is something to protect the top and bottom and to keep the screen and camera hump raised off the surface.
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Anyway I will be in china next week, I ll see what I can pick up, i'm sure aluminum bumper are available, but I prefer more protection.
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cool. pick up a few extras for us all :good:
so does anyone have any updates on this? Would love to get a bumper case for this phone..
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so does anyone have any updates on this? Would love to get a bumper case for this phone..
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BEST case that's slim & works great is the Tech21 have them on all my old devices
https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_fr...ech21+lg+v20.TRS0&_nkw=tech21+lg+v20&_sacat=0
https://youtu.be/4XzVQIqDl7g
I ordered this Nilkin case from Ebay; looks thin, can’t wait to try it.
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astonmartin214 said:
BEST case that's slim & works great is the Tech21 have them on all my old devices
https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_fr...ech21+lg+v20.TRS0&_nkw=tech21+lg+v20&_sacat=0
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How well does this protect the camera / front of screen.. i've noticed a lot of thin cases will not protect either of those areas.
XxReApErxX said:
https://youtu.be/4XzVQIqDl7g
I ordered this Nilkin case from Ebay; looks thin, can’t wait to try it.
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I don't really count those as bumper cases since the top and bottom are exposed. . Thank you though!
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How well does this protect the camera / front of screen.. i've noticed a lot of thin cases will not protect either of those areas.
offers great protection I've dropped it multiple times most on the face I never think about the camera
I don't really count those as bumper cases since the top and bottom are exposed. . Thank you though!
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well I always think about protection & this is the only company I trust