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[Q] Camera Graininess

I love to take photos, and I dont have a digital camera (I dont even know if it would be any better than my phones) so I use my phone. I used to have a problem with my camera taking blurry pictures when not in sunlight, but figured out what ISO is and fixed the problem.
My new problem is that my pictures seem to have a grainy feel to them. Its like little blue green and red dots all over, and it annoys me. Im wondering if theres a way to fix that or an explanation.

Are you able to post a pic that you've taken with the camera? I've noticed when taking pictures things can be grainy if I take a really up close shot of something, but I think that's because there is no macro-mode (like most SLRs and Point-and-Click cameras have). But when I take a normal picture with it everything comes across really smooth.

I guess
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Is that good enough?
Edit: i think i solved the problem myself. I think it happens in low light situations.
Yishtishe

It almost looks as if the camera is out of focus. Do you get the same results when you use the LED flash?
Edit: I just saw the edited post. That was going to be my next idea. Its probably something with the white balance.

No. That's how I think I figured it out that its light causing the problem. When I take it outdoors there is like no grains watch.
Yishtishe

Its called noise, and it happens with any digital camera when you crank up the ISO in low light situations. Its pretty similar to the graininess you would see in a film camera set to high ISO, but the cause is the digital sensor instead of the film itself.
http://www.photoxels.com/tutorial_noise.html
Some reviews I've read seem to hint that HTC phones tend to be a little heavy in the noise department compared to some other phones. I doubt there's not much that can be done about it.

Thank you all. I have one more question. There is this photo effect that I really like that mskes the sky have a greenish look to it and makes every object look better. It is usually accompanied by a background blur to make the object pop out. Here is an example of the effect.
I just wanr to know how that effect is done and or what it is called.
Yishtishe

Mylenthes said:
No. That's how I think I figured it out that its light causing the problem. When I take it outdoors there is like no grains watch.
Yishtishe
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your cameras lens is dirty as hell ?
the other effect you're loooking for is called a bokeh (spelled right i think) and it's possible with some phones. haven't tried on the g2 yet, but dslr's do a fine job of it.

If you're using your G2 as a camera, I would *highly* recommend that you install the Virtuous (or another Sense/Desire Z-based ROM), as the camera application is way superior to what you get on a stock ROM (or Cyanogen). In the Sense camera app, there are even a handful of filters you can apply as you're taking the photo, one of which is this bokeh that you're interested in - even has a slider so you can adjust the parts of the pic that get blurred/focused.

What if I really hate sense. Is there a way I can simply get the sense camera while keeping cm?
-Mylenthes with his awesome G2

I searched bokeh and it isn't really the effect. The effect is accompanied by bokeh, but isn't just bokeh. It has a greenish look to it. Thanks anyway, and still wondering how tovget sense camera on cm.
-Mylenthes with his awesome G2

Use "Vignette" and you'll never use any other camera apps again. This app has the settings you need to take a pic like that.
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I use vignette, but it doesn't have bokeh or the effect I like. It is a grear app though.
-Mylenthes with his awesome G2

Mylenthes said:
I use vignette, but it doesn't have bokeh or the effect I like. It is a grear app though.
-Mylenthes with his awesome G2
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Try tilt-shift. Its a similar effect to bokeh, where you can blur areas of the photo. I think the leaf picture you posted is just that and some color filtering/manipulation. Although, I'm not expert at photo editing, I just know a couple tricks.

I don't like the tilt shift. There is not enough customizability with it.
-Mylenthes with his awesome G2

Mylenthes said:
I don't like the tilt shift. There is not enough customizability with it.
-Mylenthes with his awesome G2
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I see what you mean, there is no control over what areas are in/out of focus. There are lots of different photo edited apps on the market (some of them free), play around with a few of them. Better yet, get Photoshop (or the consumer level Photoshop Elements). The Android apps are just toys compared to a real photo editing suite.

My sister has Photoshop. Also I found the effect. It's called lomo. Also there is an app that does a Boleyn effect so thanks for all your help.
-Mylenthes with his awesome G2

Mylenthes said:
My sister has Photoshop. Also I found the effect. It's called lomo. Also there is an app that does a Boleyn effect so thanks for all your help.
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That's a cool effect (Lomo). Thanks for sharing, I wasn't familiar with it. As I suspected, the effect can be simulated with edge blurring and color manipulation, but of course its easier if the app/program you are using has a built in Lomo effect.
http://www.digital-photography-school.com/how-to-make-digital-photos-look-like-lomo-photography
I'm currently playing around with a market app called PicSay Pro. Seems pretty cool so far. It costs the same as Vignette ($4), but lots more ability to scale/adjust some of the effects parameters. It has the Lomo effect, as well as a nice vignette effect (edge blurring) tilt-shift (lets you pick the focused area, and amount of blur) and a bunch of other stuff.

Post pics taken with Motorola MOTO G

Post pictures taken with your Motorola Moto G
REMEMBER TO ATTACH FULL SIZE PICTURES SO THAT USERS CAN JUDGE THE QUALITY
Here are a few of mine and a link to my google drive where you can find the originals.
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with HDR on
All pics in their original sizes can be found here (and a few more):
https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0BwNTKFeHypSqMzd6OVdRY2k2eFE&usp=sharing

Here are some of the pictures I took.:
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Using flash
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Second test using HDR:
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@Allewar
Those look rather nice any chance of links to them in full resolution?

HDR Auto / Other enhacements ON.
Will use VSCO camera in the next days to see how it's behaving - as the default app seems to me that is getting oof even in the easiest situations.

@Allewar that looks a nice place, where are your pics taken

scott_doyland said:
@Allewar that looks a nice place, where are your pics taken
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I know the pictures were taken in Brazil, but the exact location.. hm i'd say somewhere in Bahia, or Minas Gerais.

helinhof said:
I know the pictures were taken in Brazil, but the exact location.. hm i'd say somewhere in Bahia, or Minas Gerais.
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Probably Ouro Preto - Minas Gerais

Good image quality, better than reviewers had made me believe.

Camera quality looks better than i have been hearing :good:

The three pictures here are from the stock camera (host: flickr... You're adviced!)
The quality is not that good using the stock camera. Using the Lenovo Supercamera or Focal they look much better as you are in control of the manual adjustments.
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Album: Click here!

It would be great if you could post some low light pics as well.
I plan to buy the Moto G as soon as it is available in India.

Morrissex said:
The three pictures here are from the stock camera (host: flickr... You're adviced!)
The quality is not that good using the stock camera. Using the Lenovo Supercamera or Focal they look much better as you are in control of the manual adjustments.
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Now that is an interesting tip.

Did some research on Camera apps ... looks like Ultra HD Camera app takes impressive shots in low light with Flash ON, however in normal indoor light (bedroom lights) Default Camera app takes slightly better shots
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Morrissex said:
The three pictures here are from the stock camera (host: flickr... You're adviced!)
The quality is not that good using the stock camera. Using the Lenovo Supercamera or Focal they look much better as you are in control of the manual adjustments.
Macro 1
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Album: Click here!
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Couldnt install lenovo supercamera, it give me force close everytime. Could you please teach me how to do it?
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prosttyle said:
Couldnt install lenovo supercamera, it give me force close everytime. Could you please teach me how to do it?
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Well, if you downloaded the latest version (3.5.5) I am afraid to tell you it didn't work with me either. Just the first version (release) did.
Some of its features give force close in almost every device though. For example, Panorama cannot be used properly. The same happens to "Magic GIF" and some filter options as well as the "Super Gallery". All the other Configuration options work superb by the way, even normal GIF and a few filters.
The thread where I (think) got the first release from is the following:
[App][Share] Lenovo k900 Camera
I'm not 100% sure, but check that out. I'll try to re-upload the one I have.
UPDATE: Here's the link to the one I am using:
Lenovo Super Camera.apk (Host: Mega)
UPDATE 2: This is another thread with the original and 2 other updates. The latest (3.5.5) does not work for me, but the first release as well as the first update (3.1.3) do work.
[APP][4.1+] ●Lenovo Super Camera v3.5 for all phones 4.1+ w/o phone calling perm●

Here are some pics i took in a football match:

Hmmm
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With HDR.
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Advanced Professional Camera App

What's going on guys?
I am looking for an app that I can get that will control aperture, exposer, shutter speed, white balance, ISO, and focus. So far all the apps I've tried, none support aperture except one VERY basic one that was made for long exposure shots. But that was the only thing I could change. Any ideas?

Quadrider10 said:
What's going on guys?
I am looking for an app that I can get that will control aperture, exposer, shutter speed, white balance, ISO, and focus. So far all the apps I've tried, none support aperture except one VERY basic one that was made for long exposure shots. But that was the only thing I could change. Any ideas?
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ProShot, OpenCamera, A Better Camera, FreeDom.
Infact there are many on the play store, But these ones are the best for me so far.

Quadrider10 said:
I am looking for an app that I can.. Any ideas?
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The bottom line is you will never get a better shot from hTc 10 than with HTC Pro Camera 1.90.401.5 (as of the moment of this typing)..
Regards,
J
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Better off using RAW mode and do everything else in Adobe Lightroom. No aftermarket camara app can do better than the official one now.

I really just want aperture control

anyone know of an app that can control aperture?

I might be wrong, but there is no way to control aperture on a phone camera. Phone cams have fixed apertures. 'adjustments' on apps are just simulating it via gain etc...
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RSK01 said:
I might be wrong, but there is no way to control aperture on a phone camera. Phone cams have fixed apertures. 'adjustments' on apps are just simulating it via gain etc...
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hmmmm im trying to do something like this, but i need a slow shutter, but lowering shutter to 16s allows WAY to much light in even with the ISO down to 100. what can i do/how can i make it so that less light comes into the sensor at 16s shutter speed?
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What I did was to stick a ND (neutral density) filter to the lens.
I tried this with the M8, to achieve this photo
Now with the laser focus, not too sure if the filter will cause an error in focusing.
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RSK01 said:
What I did was to stick a ND (neutral density) filter to the lens.
I tried this with the M8, to achieve this photo
Now with the laser focus, not too sure if the filter will cause an error in focusing.
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hmmmm, filters are the only method you know of to produce this?
thats an awesome pic BTW!

Using ND filters is also the way to go for dslr photography. ND filters are basically dark glass to limit the amount of light reaching the sensor.
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what about this app?
it does what i want an i can change aperture. its just a crappy app.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.longexposure2
if you click, not light trace, but the other one, and choose aperture and save the photo, it comes up in details about the pic as different aperture that you set in the app.

I have the paid version of this app. Limitations is that it only saves photos at max 1920x 1080.
Its not true aperture adjustments too. Basically it's overlaying parts of the photo with light traces.
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Camera Observation

So I have been messing around with the Camera and like everyone has said, it is quite underwhelming, and this is surprising because it has a quite good sensor. Iv used different apps and seems other apps take worse pictures even. I'm thinking the reason the Camera is performing poorly because LeEco is not Utilizing API 2 for the Camera, which would explain why Manual focus is not available on other camera apps. Just doesn't make sense why the Camera can't perform anywhere near the OP3's.
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HDR mode might help
DxTcmix said:
So I have been messing around with the Camera and like everyone has said, it is quite underwhelming, and this is surprising because it has a quite good sensor. Iv used different apps and seems other apps take worse pictures even. I'm thinking the reason the Camera is performing poorly because LeEco is not Utilizing API 2 for the Camera, which would explain why Manual focus is not available on other camera apps. Just doesn't make sense why the Camera can't perform anywhere near the OP3's.
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So the trick with phones is to use HDR to get better DR and low NR. Given that phones nowadays have tremendous SoC power, HDR processing should be a breeze. And set the Sharpness setting to lowest to prevent artifacts.

Have you tried Google Camera?
Here is a comparison... You can see that Google Camera photo has better detail despite having higher ISO. Noisier but resize it down to 50%, it will be infinitely better than LeEco's default camera output.
Google Camera (Left) | Default non-HDR | Default HDR
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DxTcmix said:
So I have been messing around with the Camera and like everyone has said, it is quite underwhelming, and this is surprising because it has a quite good sensor. Iv used different apps and seems other apps take worse pictures even. I'm thinking the reason the Camera is performing poorly because LeEco is not Utilizing API 2 for the Camera, which would explain why Manual focus is not available on other camera apps. Just doesn't make sense why the Camera can't perform anywhere near the OP3's.
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I also do think that the software has alot to do with its underwhelming performance. Also, the pro 3 is lacking OIS compared to the others phones using the same sensor such as the op3 and lg v20. OIS helps the camera use longer shutter speeds to take in more light because it makes the lens steady. Cameras w/o ois needs to take pictures at faster shutter speeds to minimize blur resulting to the camera taking less light in.

With BuildProp Editor it's possible to add this line :
persist.camera.HAL3.enabled=1
and after reboot on x720 cinese version it's possible to use API 2 Camera.
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The Camera App "Bacon Camera" allows you to manual focus on this phone.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.fgnm.baconcamera
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DxTcmix said:
The Camera App "Bacon Camera" allows you to manual focus on this phone.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.fgnm.baconcamera
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Unless I am missing something, you just need to click/tap on the area you would like to focus on right? Even the LeEco camera can do manual focus. I suggest you use Google camera app. I did a comparison of this phone with the Pixel and the result is surprisingly similar. In sheer performance, LePro3 ate the Pixel alive. =D

Joms_US said:
Unless I am missing something, you just need to click/tap on the area you would like to focus on right? Even the LeEco camera can do manual focus. I suggest you use Google camera app. I did a comparison of this phone with the Pixel and the result is surprisingly similar. In sheer performance, LePro3 ate the Pixel alive. =D
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Which app are you using i try 2 version of google camera but i could not see the difference can you share a link or version number off the apk please

mertsamet said:
Which app are you using i try 2 version of google camera but i could not see the difference can you share a link or version number off the apk please
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I initially tried version 2.5.052 so now 2.7.010

Joms_US said:
Here is a comparison... You can see that Google Camera photo has better detail despite having higher ISO. Noisier but resize it down to 50%, it will be infinitely better than LeEco's default camera output.
Google Camera (Left) | Default non-HDR | Default HDR
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How did you manage to get HDR working?
Even after I added persist.camera.HAL3.enabled=1, Google Camera I downloaded won't show HDR option.
(Playstore would not let me download the Google Camera app so I got 2.7.010 from APKmirror.

4K2K said:
How did you manage to get HDR working?
Even after I added persist.camera.HAL3.enabled=1, Google Camera I downloaded won't show HDR option.
(Playstore would not let me download the Google Camera app so I got 2.7.010 from APKmirror.
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That was HDR of LePro's default camera app. And yes HDR on Google Camera app is unavailable.

https://youtu.be/GNTBfffh7G8

[Workaround] Fix noise reduction and oversharpening without root or bootloader unlock

After being bored for quite some time i found a way to bypass the horrible noise reduction and oversharpening via an external app without voiding the warranty in any way, but this results in a quite raw looking image being in jpeg, so you need to apply your own noise reduction via photoshop or any else method.
Using FreeDcam app from the play store
Set the main camera api to camera1
Jpeg quality - 100
CustomMatrix - imx362
And on the right side of the menu
Wavelet Denoise - Denoise-off
Zero shutter lag - on
You can also change anything if u swipe up from below except the iso, because u change the iso from the left iso button, i recommend setting sharpness the prism to 0-10
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Idk this app sucks too much battery. Maybe because of processing images.

pradsngh523 said:
Idk this app sucks too much battery. Maybe because of processing images.
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well its kinda obvious the app is in a bad state, its quite unstable and sucking battery doesnt really suprise me.

TheIronLefty said:
well its kinda obvious the app is in a bad state, its quite unstable and sucking battery doesnt really suprise me.
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Well i figured out i was pushing it too hard with hdr scene mode and forgot to change api to camera1
Working like a charm now .
Thanks buddy. Also try moving this thread to "Apps Themes and Mods" section

Thanks for this workaround - it really makes a difference especially for us without the time to root the phone.
Is there a way to make FreeDcam app to make a shutter noise so that we know we actually took a picture? Right now there's no indication and I have to go to the gallery to make sure.

I applaud the effort to find another workaround!
This is interesting to me, however I must admit- those images have a lot of ugly artifacts that are now baked in. Yes, it appears to be getting around the NR smoothed look, but it looks like it is doing so by adding a layer of grain before the jpeg compression. Without the camera2 api, I'm not sure it is possible for an application to actually access the raw frame buffer before the chromatix, etc, libs get involved. My first hunch in that this look is artificially created by the app after the camera routine has done its processing.
In other words, it looks almost like grain is being added to give the illusion of details in much of the same way we can get details in lower color spaces via dithering. Even relatively well exposed parts of the frame that shouldn't have noise have noise. And then some heavy jpeg compression on top of it, so removing it in post with Photoshop/LR/etc is going to eat a lot of detail- arguably at least as much if not more than you were getting with moto cam. Have you tried to clean any up in post and compared them side by side with moto cam?
Interestingly, if you enable the camera2 API, there is a version of FreeDcam that can record actual sensor RAW from the G5+, and one of the only apps that can properly. But once you are doing that you are better off with any of the various Google Cam versions floating around for 32-bit Nougat. Root access isn't necessary, however in order to enable the camera2 api, you need to be able to change a line in build.prop. At the very least, you need to unlock the bootloader so that you can change a system file. You can remain stock and unrooted though. I know, not for everyone, but I recommend it if image quality is important to you.
I still think you need to enable camera2 at a minimum to get better image quality, if not just replacing chromatix libs. But this is an interesting find.