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T889 vs Nexus 4?

I've been debating with myself which phone to get - I'm pretty sure I'm not the only person in this boat so I made this thread.
My situation:
Nexus IV: $360 here in Canada
Note II: $400 here in Canada, although with a 3 year commitment ($40 a month for unlimited nationwide calling, unlimited data, although they throttle after 5gb, and unlimited nationwide text).
I'd use the same data plan if I got the Nexus, although on the plus side, I have no contract. Not too sure how big of a plus that is, as I don't want to swap from Wind Mobile.
Strongly leaning in favor of the Note II right now.
Nexus IV Advantages: Overall this phone is very similar to the Optimus G; not unlike the Nexus S and the i9000s.
- The SOC appears to be faster
- No Touchwiz (IMO Stock > anything the manufacturers come up with)
I personally do not care about the Wireless "charging orb" and think it's a gimmick; of limited use in the real world where one can simply connect a micro-USB.
Perhaps the biggest advantage the Nexus IV has is well ... a Nexus phone. That means that the development community around it will be much bigger, faster updates, and a 100% chance of Cyanogenmod. I'm not sure what's the Cyanogenmod prospects on the T889, but there is a beta one working for the N7100 and considering how similar this phone is to the international version. I don't know how big the development community for the T889 is going to be.
Note II Advantages: More or less a blown up Galaxy S3.
- Audio quality appears superior (Wolfson DAC); important to me; I keep a rooted voodoo Galaxy S variant just for the audio as a PMP; I am unsure at this time of what DAC the Nexus IV comes with, but having listened to the Galaxy S3 and the Optimus G
- Speaker appears to be superior (not a big deal IMO)
- Bigger screen (good for browsing and movies)
- S Pen (and everything that comes with it; probably the only custom thing that any manufacturer has done that has added value; well maybe Sense before Froyo added value to Android)
- Expandable storage (Nexus IV probably not enough to import a serious FLAC collection)
- Battery life (based on reviews, it looks like the Note II has a better battery life)
I would discourage people from using a "points" system to evaluate the 2 phones.
Areas for debate:
- Size .... I personally prefer a larger phone, up to debate though
- Screen; well it comes down to IPS vs Amoled. Both have outstanding viewing angles, and the Amoled isn't pentile (although not the traditional RGB either it seems). Amoled has deeper blacks, but the white reproduction isn't the greatest. IPS has better brightness and is better out in sunlight.
- Neither the Nexus IV nor the Note II can claim to have a better camera for taking images
- I'm not sure how well these phones will last over time - the glass back on the Nexus might be an area for concern; the Note II seems to do well in the drop tests though
- Pentaband phone (the T889 is pentaband as is the Nexus); not planning on making any international trips, but this would come in handy if it did
LG also seems to have a bad reputation; not too sure as I personally have never owned LG phones for an extended period, but my Samsung experiences have been positive.
Your thoughts?

How much faster is the processor known to be on the Nexus 4?
I considered both, but definitely do not regret having gotten the Note II because I really care about the larger screen (the main reason I upgraded from a GS3, though I really wanted the quad-core exynos)
Also, there's a big difference in retail price, which is going to be a major factor in the comparison.

Nexus 4 is crap! Don't buy it or u will regret it!!!!!!
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jkxklutz said:
How much faster is the processor known to be on the Nexus 4?
I considered both, but definitely do not regret having gotten the Note II because I really care about the larger screen (the main reason I upgraded from a GS3, though I really wanted the quad-core exynos)
Also, there's a big difference in retail price, which is going to be a major factor in the comparison.
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In my case, price is very close, but yeah the screen is a big attractor.

honestly i don't think you can compare these 2. galaxy s3 versus nexus 4 is more of a fair comparison. Either you want the big screen or you don't, really what it comes down to. The pen is nice too although I seriously doubt how much i'll use it. I believe samsung cameras are superior as well. and i'm sure its gotten better, but frankly stock android sucked to me when i tried it on froyo and gingerbread.

Apples and IEDs
You're comparing Apples and ****ing IEDs; Note is HUGE, wicked fast, polished up with TouchWiz and has the surprisingly useful S-Pen. Nexus devices are wonderful, and I've owned every single one except the two just announced... But you can pry the Note II from my cold dead hands because it is hands down, the greatest device on Earth today.

Ya, I gotta agree, you are comparing two totally different products. While saying your movie collection will help you get over the fact that you will be stuck with 8 or 16 gb worth of space, over time, you will kick yourself for being stuck with 8 or 16 gb worth of space. 64gb microSD cards should be enough for you to stop making silly statements referencing your FLAC collection; it's a no brainer.
The S-Pen should be at the top of your list for a device that's centered around productivity. If you just want to watch movies, buy a tablet.
Long story short, CM10 and the rest of the ROMs are needed on devices... the Note 2 doesn't need them. Oh, and you forgot to compare battery sizes... probably something more important than any rom or even the microSD card slot. On the Note 2, it's glorious!

IMHO i need the sd slot by getting that phone i would have to revert back to ousting my iPod for music amongst the other things I've got on it.. can't do it... sides love the s pen.. this phone is awesome
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I would personally never buy the nexus 4 simply because it is made by LG and Samsung is far superior when it comes to smart phones. I upgraded my SGS3 to the Note 2 for the larger screen and the extras like the s-pen. Only thing that sucks right now is there are very few accessories for the Note at the moment but Seidio and Otterbox are in the works.

brashmadcap said:
You're comparing Apples and ****ing IEDs; Note is HUGE, wicked fast, polished up with TouchWiz and has the surprisingly useful S-Pen. Nexus devices are wonderful, and I've owned every single one except the two just announced... But you can pry the Note II from my cold dead hands because it is hands down, the greatest device on Earth today.
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You are exactly right.. I honestly don't see how i can honestly go to soothe device after I've had the note 2 i had a guy at work offer me 300 bucks and his white s3 I was like no!! Put the s3 on Craig'slist and get your own...the next phone i buy wool obviously be a note 3... What can i say I'm hooked...
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I have to agree. The t889 is the way to go. I look at the nexus4 and it is very similar to my t989 with a updated soc and very slightly different size screen. Along with the whole stock android thing. I didn't really feel the need to upgrade to the s3 from my s2 especially since I don't like hardware home buttons. But the note 2 has got me desperately wanting out of my contract so that I can get it. Bigger better screen, s pen, removable battery and sdcard slot. And I don't know about the statement that the qualcomm Soc is better then the exynos they are probably very very close but I'd take the Mali gpu over the adreno any day of the week. If you really want a nexus device just get a 199$ nexus 7. It seems like a better deal then the nexus 4. But you probably wouldn't even use the 7 incher if you had the t889.

I'm not sure what sort of crap people are talking on here and saying the Nexus 4 is crap, but that's an absolutely ridiculous statement. The SoC on the Nexus 4 is definitely faster than the Note II, but honestly Need for Speed Most Wanted is the only thing that doesn't run perfectly on the Note II (and even then we're talking a handful of frame drops that make no difference to gameplay). Most games aren't even close to being as taxing as NFS MW, so I wouldn't even worry about that. Games that usually slow phones down like Plight of the Zombie, and livewallpapers that do the same don't slow down the Note II at all. Everything runs perfectly on the phone.
As for features, it's really TouchWiz vs. stock Android. As nice as Android 4.2 is, the features in TouchWiz are unmatched, even though it can be extremely ugly. What's really nice about the Note II though is that there are already a lot of theming kitchens available, like this one, that make TouchWiz just a little less ugly by letting you customize icons and colors in the interface. Honestly after having the S-Pen features on the Note II, I'm not sure I could go back to any phone that doesn't have such features. It's one of the reasons I'll probably never run an AOSP based ROM on this phone. Of course AOSP has S-Pen gestures now, so there's no telling what the wizards here at XDA will do over time, but for now I bought the Note II for the S-Pen features primarily, and that keeps me from jumping ship from Samsung's stuff.
It's up to you. I'm getting my wife a Nexus 4 for Christmas because although she loves the Note II and the features, it's just a little too large for her. Plus I'd recommend a Nexus 4 over a Galaxy S III any day, but that's a whole 'nother thread. Get the Note II, you won't be sorry. It's by far the best phone I've EVER used.
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bookburner said:
I have to agree. The t889 is the way to go. I look at the nexus4 and it is very similar to my t989 with a updated soc and very slightly different size screen. Along with the whole stock android thing. I didn't really feel the need to upgrade to the s3 from my s2 especially since I don't like hardware home buttons. But the note 2 has got me desperately wanting out of my contract so that I can get it. Bigger better screen, s pen, removable battery and sdcard slot. And I don't know about the statement that the qualcomm Soc is better then the exynos they are probably very very close but I'd take the Mali gpu over the adreno any day of the week. If you really want a nexus device just get a 199$ nexus 7. It seems like a better deal then the nexus 4. But you probably wouldn't even use the 7 incher if you had the t889.
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The Nexus 4 has a Snapdragon S4 Pro quad-core and an Adreno 320. It's in a league of its own honestly. The only thing that truly competes with it is the SoC in the iPhone 5. Burns me that that's the case, but facts are facts unfortunately.

Gwanatu said:
I'm not sure what sort of crap people are talking on here and saying the Nexus 4 is crap, but that's an absolutely ridiculous statement. The SoC on the Nexus 4 is definitely faster than the Note II, but honestly Need for Speed Most Wanted is the only thing that doesn't run perfectly on the Note II (and even then we're talking a handful of frame drops that make no difference to gameplay). Most games aren't even close to being as taxing as NFS MW, so I wouldn't even worry about that. Games that usually slow phones down like Plight of the Zombie, and livewallpapers that do the same don't slow down the Note II at all. Everything runs perfectly on the phone.
As for features, it's really TouchWiz vs. stock Android. As nice as Android 4.2 is, the features in TouchWiz are unmatched, even though it can be extremely ugly. What's really nice about the Note II though is that there are already a lot of theming kitchens available, like this one, that make TouchWiz just a little less ugly by letting you customize icons and colors in the interface. Honestly after having the S-Pen features on the Note II, I'm not sure I could go back to any phone that doesn't have such features. It's one of the reasons I'll probably never run an AOSP based ROM on this phone. Of course AOSP has S-Pen gestures now, so there's no telling what the wizards here at XDA will do over time, but for now I bought the Note II for the S-Pen features primarily, and that keeps me from jumping ship from Samsung's stuff.
It's up to you. I'm getting my wife a Nexus 4 for Christmas because although she loves the Note II and the features, it's just a little too large for her. Plus I'd recommend a Nexus 4 over a Galaxy S III any day, but that's a whole 'nother thread. Get the Note II, you won't be sorry. It's by far the best phone I've EVER used.
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The Nexus 4 has a Snapdragon S4 Pro quad-core and an Adreno 320. It's in a league of its own honestly. The only thing that truly competes with it is the SoC in the iPhone 5. Burns me that that's the case, but facts are facts unfortunately.
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Imagine a note 2 with a s4 pro
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I think these devices have really different use cases.
One major draw back for me about the nexus 4 is the battery and SD card. I've owned every nexus devicedevice and while they are amazing devices, there always seems to be some (major)drawback.
This could be said about any phone.
For the note2, the Major drawback is the size, something that I'm OK with. Which is whyi won't be switching to the n4.

brashmadcap said:
You're comparing Apples and ****ing IEDs
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mdt73 said:
Ya, I gotta agree, you are comparing two totally different products.
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I agree they're pretty different, but definitely not comparing apples and oranges (or IEDs). ..mainly because (for most), it's one or the other. They're going to serve the same purpose, even if in different ways.
I've been going crazy, back and forth btwn the two. I told myself I'd never get a non-nexus device again, but leaning more towards the NoteII now. The most important aspect for me now is the developer support. ParanoidAndroid has ruined my crackflashing escapades. I've never been on a ROM so long, and everything else seems weird now.
I hope PA comes soon. Aside from that, I worry about the N4's lack of storage/expandable storage which has seriously been a PITA on my Gnex. That BS from Duarte or another Googler about users not needing expandable memory is bs. And the cloud storage argument is ridiculous. Files commonly accessed get cached on the device anyway and take up space. (preaching to the choir). I'm less concerned about the LTE futureproofing, but it's definitely an issue as well.

dannydv said:
Nexus 4 is crap! Don't buy it or u will regret it!!!!!!
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The nexus 4 isnt going to be crap. There are many negative points for me regarding the nexus 4 versus the note 2 but it will not be a bad phone.
On another note. I haven't done any reading or researching on the matter, is the snapdragon really THAT much faster than the exynos? I didnt know such a disparity existed.
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I got the Note II because it has much better battery life than the new Nexus. My last phone was the Galaxy Nexus, a great phone, but I was always carrying an external battery with me or charging it in the wall. Compared to the galaxy nexus (and probably the nexus 4 and most androids out there), my experience so far with the Note II is that the battery life is about twice as good. With the Note II I can leave the bluetooth on, gps on, screen bright, and it's all okay for the day. It also charges super fast at 2amp. It took me longer to charge my Galaxy Nexus even though the battery was much smaller.
Wifi calling, removable battery, larger screen, SD card are nice as well. It seems Google doesn't update their OS that often anymore anyways. I had the Galaxy Nexus for a year and only had very few updates that barely improved anything (where as my Nexus S and Nexus One seemed to have had more significant updates.)

The charging is pretty cool on the note 2. Ive never had a phone with such a huge battery that can chsrge so fast
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Funny thing is when I had my S2 all I heard is how crappy the snapdragon was and how great he Exynos was, now that the nexus has one all of a sudden its the best. Smh

tigerz0202 said:
Funny thing is when I had my S2 all I heard is how crappy the snapdragon was and how great he Exynos was, now that the nexus has one all of a sudden its the best. Smh
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This exactly.
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[Q] Did you come from the s3?

So I am trying to decide what to get. The note 2 or the galaxy s3. I do not mind the size, so that is not issue. If any of you came from the s3, why did you jump ship? What makes you stick to the note 2 and not go to the s3. Any ideas why the note 2 is better? Can you see a difference in smoothness from the note 2 compared to the s3. Since the note 2 has the quad core.

Gave mom S3 and bought N2 day one, S3 is the 2nd best phone out by the note does so much. I have a business and coach and it's size makes doing those things easy. Definitely see a speed difference, better screen. U can get us to the size I'm thinking of going bigger. Again get the N2 it will amaze u.
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I used S3 for couple months, until I hold Note2 at my local mall, they have Samsung expo or w/e, and after comparing the size, I decided that I can go bigger, and I fell in love with Note2 screen. After switch to Note2, definitely no regrets, smoother, faster, bigger screen.

I love my Note II. Granted, I didn't come from an S3. But even still, if you don't mind the size of the phone then by all means go for it.
It is basicly a SIII but its newer, it has a better screen despite its dpi being lower because its not pentile, if you are on T-Mobile the Note has 42mbps HSPA+ instead of 21mbps, quadcore, bigger battery, and of cource the s pen.
Like I said, if you can deal with the size, which you will get used to unless your hands are just really small, its a much better choice. But in the end you can't go wrong with either one of them.

I had samsung galaxy s3 and got the iphone 5. A month later, got the note 2. Never looked back ever since. Iphone feels slower. Like ten times slower than my note 2.
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I came from the MT4GS. When I upgraded I also bought my wife the S3. I do prefer the GN2 but find that the S3 is perfectly capable.
The gn2 is a tad smoother and the screen is obviously bigger. The s-pen makes the comparison a non starter, the note taking fcn is unparalleled.
The gn2 does make one hand use very problematic due to size. I am also paranoid about screen breakage due to dropping the device (this phone has stated to develop a rep for breaking screens). The camera is pretty darned good (though the MT4GS camera was arguably better). Viewing video content or games simply cannot be beat. The screen is beautiful. Let me say it again, the screen is B-E-A-U-T-I-F-U-L. Did I mention I kinda like the screen. Oh, what is this lag thing that people on other devices keep talking about?
I hate the usb connection between the stock charging cord and the device, falls out with a stern look. My TPU case also puts a bind on the connector but that is my problem.
I don't know that it's $300 better than the S3 (price difference) at the time. I didn't pay that difference (it was about $100 with the deal I worked out). I certainly will not be getting rid of this device any time soon.
Hastily spouted for your befuddlement

Came from an S3. And would never go back. Smoothness is way better and the screen is the perfect size. Seems big at first but after a couple of days you totally get used to it. Quad core and 2GB ram, and the Spen is pretty handy. Since I paid 350$ for the note 2 and sold my S3 for 350$ it was a no brainer.
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Sold my s3 for my note 2 with no regrets. Its an awesome phone for sure but I couldn't pass go the big screen and spen.
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Note 2 is the way of bigger Doesn't bother you. I sold my s3 and bought it outright. Well worth it, where you root it or not. Fast and smooth.
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They are both beasts. The difference is the Galaxy SIII is the flagship, while the N2 is more of a niche item. Meaning the GS3 will always have more accessories and development. Both have 42+ HSPA capability, but the Note 2 has the true image and internals Samsung dreamed of. It is my 1st exynos device and I couldn't be happier.

I came from S3 for a very specific reason: GN2 has "hidden" full Trad Chinese interface as well as native Changjei and hand writing methods with Swype. Frankly, battery on GN2 is definitely better than S3. According to my usage scheme:
S3 lasts 3-4 hours before switching battery
GN2 lasts almost 6 hours.
Larger screen makes reading e-books easier while it still can occupy shirt pocket (Galaxy Tab Plus can't).

How does the note 2 stack up?

How does the note 2 stack up compared to the one and s4? I know that note is a powerhouse how well would it do side by side with the next evolution?
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I still think Note II users have the better phone. I'm not just saying it because I have one. I really do think they hit the nail on the head with the Note II. Great screen, awesome battery and the S-Pen.
If the S4 had come with a pen -not just finger hover- I might have been more interested. The S-Pen is the biggest selling factor for me. I obviously use it for sketching, note taking -even math and of course photo retouching. It is however very very handy for browsing the web. The "mouse over" function works great on many sites by letting you see under menus and larger images and saves a lot of page loads.
Rumours are already circulating that many of the S4 features will be coming to the Note II and S3 so we really won't have anything to be jealous of.
I went from an SGSI to the Note II as nothing in between was of interest to me and not I.m.o significantly better for my needs.
I can happily wait for a Note III or even Note IV
With that said I am jealous of the uber sharp pictures that iphone 4s and 5 owners enjoy.

Me personaly i find the S4 a big fail and apart from a few new gimmicks that don`t add much there is nothing that makes me want to buy it. Overall the Note 2 is still one of the best devices out on the market IF you like the screen- and overall size of the phone.

Worth switching from N2?

I currently have a GN2. S4 worth switching to? (Who has...pros/cons?) I have 20 days from TMO to make the choice, but input from experience would be quite helpful.
Reasons for possibly changing:
*Same price for more features
*Better camera
*Better specs
My only concern is the screen may feel too small, I know my TB, and iphone felt stupidly small after N2, But 5 Inches may not feel as lethargic as 4.3/4.

Goto a store doesnt matter what carrier then hold the s4 in your hand at that moment all your questions will be answered.
Trust me on this

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2270273

I have the note 2 and s4 its great but it doesn't have pop up browser grrrrrrr
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Nyxagamemnon said:
Goto a store doesnt matter what carrier then hold the s4 in your hand at that moment all your questions will be answered.
Trust me on this
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Ah cant be that good. I know the s4 launcher sucks im using it now. I hate it. But the phone is definetly not bad. Its good as thw note. But I use the note for so much more than just a phone. Its actually more important to me than my laptop.
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janjannsen99 said:
Ah cant be that good. I know the s4 launcher sucks im using it now. I hate it. But the phone is definetly not bad. Its good as thw note. But I use the note for so much more than just a phone. Its actually more important to me than my laptop.
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I use Dodol on the N2. Try that launcher At this point, does seem like I will have to play with the S4 in a store...

Nyxagamemnon said:
Trust me on this
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TRUST him on this bro.
trust him.

nxneko said:
I currently have a GN2. S4 worth switching to? (Who has...pros/cons?) I have 20 days from TMO to make the choice, but input from experience would be quite helpful.
Reasons for possibly changing:
*Same price for more features
*Better camera
*Better specs
My only concern is the screen may feel too small, I know my TB, and iphone felt stupidly small after N2, But 5 Inches may not feel as lethargic as 4.3/4.
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I've had both (T-889, I9500 & M19) and kinda miss my note to be honest. If you find the real estate the most attractive on the Note 2, you will miss it on the GS4. Another thing I miss is the battery life on the Note 2, that thing could last me 2 days without a charge. Overall the the GS4 is a nice device (my personal unit is the i9500) and definitely has some advantages over the Note 2 (full hd, 13mp, newer gpu/cpu) but over all the Note 2 feels much more polished. The screen is more responsive, the UI has had the kinks of the CPU/GPU ironed out from the S3, and the S-Pen makes drawing super easy and fun. I'm sure the development will only help the pros of the GS4, but out of box experience was much better on the Note 2, it even had a more "premium feel". I'm gonna stick it out for a bit with the GS4, but may end up going back to my Note.

not very worth...note 2 is a very good.
fast enough.

KillaHurtz said:
I've had both (T-889, I9500 & M19) and kinda miss my note to be honest. If you find the real estate the most attractive on the Note 2, you will miss it on the GS4. Another thing I miss is the battery life on the Note 2, that thing could last me 2 days without a charge. Overall the the GS4 is a nice device (my personal unit is the i9500) and definitely has some advantages over the Note 2 (full hd, 13mp, newer gpu/cpu) but over all the Note 2 feels much more polished. The screen is more responsive, the UI has had the kinks of the CPU/GPU ironed out from the S3, and the S-Pen makes drawing super easy and fun. I'm sure the development will only help the pros of the GS4, but out of box experience was much better on the Note 2, it even had a more "premium feel". I'm gonna stick it out for a bit with the GS4, but may end up going back to my Note.
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The phone actually slid out of my hand once because it got so slippery.... like 4x actually. that glossy back body is a nightmare (I got a custom backing tho now)
Yeah, all the kinks should be ironed out with roms and OTAs over the coming months though. Battery life wise...Ive seen so many differences in screen on-time its insane in the thread in general. For example, I was going to go with the htc one...until I learned of its battery life (I stole a co-workers one and 1 hr 34min of screen ontime put phone at 65% battery - Thunderbolt moment, anyone?) I get 6HR or so of ontime with the N2 on Verizons LTE and since LTE drains faster...Im guessing I would get more out of the tmo n2? (Wild guess) - Sadly even though Florida is one of TMOs most covered states...I don't think my city got lte yet.
I love the N2, However...
The S4 is like a baker walking by with a more delicious looking tiny cupcake when you just got a huge piece of cake. not only that but... I work at a themepark, and 3/5 people have white GS3 or N2.... It was insanity (Mostly GS3 Dominant, but I could tell there were plenty of N2 Tucked behind otterboxes due to the SPen slot cutout) the S4 At least would be a slight step away from that...

If you are used to the size of the Note 2, the only logical upgrades in the future would be to another Note (Note 3, Note 4, ...). Note 2 is still probably more productive for multitasking than the S4. You won't need features like Air Gestures or Smart Scroll (which probably can be added to N2 in the future). IR blaster is fun to use, but probably not a necessity. If you carry a tablet and a phone, the Note is probably more suited for you. If you just talk on your phone and like to browse a lot, not do any real work, the S4 is the perfect size phone. I've had both so I know. I like the feel of the S4, and the 5" screen doesn't make it tiny at all compared to the 5.5" N2.

GG2012 said:
If you are used to the size of the Note 2, the only logical upgrades in the future would be to another Note (Note 3, Note 4, ...). Note 2 is still probably more productive for multitasking than the S4. You won't need features like Air Gestures or Smart Scroll (which probably can be added to N2 in the future). IR blaster is fun to use, but probably not a necessity. If you carry a tablet and a phone, the Note is probably more suited for you. If you just talk on your phone and like to browse a lot, not do any real work, the S4 is the perfect size phone. I've had both so I know. I like the feel of the S4, and the 5" screen doesn't make it tiny at all compared to the 5.5" N2.
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I mostly use it for just texting, and IM+ Is -constantly- being used. The only issues with the N2 i had was use in daylight screen was impossible to see for me, and it got slightly awkward handling it with one hand. I also use the camera a LOT for taking product photos for etsy. I only used SPen to doodle random things and send it to whoever i was talking to when I felt it was suddenly more convenient then typing.
...I will also state, speaker mode in calls sucked really bad. I never liked calling on N2 much.

nxneko said:
I mostly use it for just texting, and IM+ Is -constantly- being used. The only issues with the N2 i had was use in daylight screen was impossible to see for me, and it got slightly awkward handling it with one hand. I also use the camera a LOT for taking product photos for etsy. I only used SPen to doodle random things and send it to whoever i was talking to when I felt it was suddenly more convenient then typing.
...I will also state, speaker mode in calls sucked really bad. I never liked calling on N2 much.
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I can tell you right now the S4 is not that much better in daylight, compared to the HTC One which is brighter. It's almost impossible for me to see as well with full brightness. While I could handle the N2 size in one hand, I find the smaller form factor of the S4 to be much more comfortable, hence why I decided to get the S4. Plus, I find myself using the SPen less and less with the N2, so I was willing to let that go. If they made the S4 screen work with an SPen, that would have been great (I don't mind not having a holder).

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I can tell you right now the S4 is not that much better in daylight, compared to the HTC One which is brighter. It's almost impossible for me to see as well with full brightness. While I could handle the N2 size in one hand, I find the smaller form factor of the S4 to be much more comfortable, hence why I decided to get the S4. Plus, I find myself using the SPen less and less with the N2, so I was willing to let that go. If they made the S4 screen work with an SPen, that would have been great (I don't mind not having a holder).
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I wish I could one-hand it...but I basically have teen sized hands (short) I never minded the size because of purse. In your opinion, is the S4 Worth the switch from a new-phone standpoint (not upgrade) I would never go HTC after thunderbolt...esp since S4 has a better headphone dac.

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I wish I could one-hand it...but I basically have teen sized hands (short) I never minded the size because of purse. In your opinion, is the S4 Worth the switch from a new-phone standpoint (not upgrade) I would never go HTC after thunderbolt...esp since S4 has a better headphone dac.
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At this moment, probably not. I would at least wait and see what Google has in store software/hardware wise for Android, as Google I/O is next week.

Galaxy s4 or note 2???

People who have said theres no difference between the s4 and the s3 or note are TRIPPIN have yall held the device? Feels great in my hand went with my mom to get hers for mothers day. And holy cow. The features it has are one untop of another all hidden too. The screen is farrrr better. The way it feels. So Smooth. The besel on the side of the phone makes it look nice and feel great. Even if the note 2 gets the 4.2 update with some features of the s4. The s4 will still have the best unique features. I love my note 2. But as soon as I held. N played around with the s4. Man I might just buy me mine cash next month. Figured the s4 is the perfect size fits perfectly in my hand. The note 2 still to big . What do you guys think?
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Well the main thing, if you feel its to big you will never be completely happy with it, and will be itching to move on..on the other hand waiting on development is always my issue when deciding what to do

Unfortunately, I agree. I like my wife's S4 more than my Note 2. It kills me on benchmarks with the better processor. The GPU is a billion times better. It can get 37FPS when I can only get 9. It goes through battery a bit quickly and it seems that a few apps aren't quite formatted for 1080 resolution yet, but that will change soon. If I were to put a kernel on her phone and UV I'd prolly get pretty good battery life too. I like the fit in my hand, for sure. Any smaller would be too small but it fits in one hand nicely. On the GN2 I have to use a nilken case that has a knurled finish on the back so that it stays in my hand. The camera is nice and the camera features are pretty cool. I do like my S-Pen but I've gone to AOSP for themeing, control, and speed so I've lost S-note already. I miss S-note (looks much nicer than Papyrus) but I don't think that makes the note worth having over the S4. I'm not going to drop coin on it though, going to stick with the Note.

I just got my 4 today I also have the S3 and Note 2. They are all so different its crazy. I gave my note 2 to my kid and I thought I would keep it until I started playing with my S4 and realized I dont miss it one bit lol or the S3. If you have a S3 it is worth the upgrade if you have the Note2 and are thinking of upgrading yes itsbway worth it but that is a personal opinion. The S4 takes the cake I am amazed at how smooth compared to the Note2 and s3 it is expecially the nore because its quad core.
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